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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 29 2020 20:37 GMT
#621
Is it bad if I say I have no idea what anyone is talking about visiting and corruption?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 29 2020 20:38 GMT
#622
On October 30 2020 05:37 Onegu wrote:
Is it bad if I say I have no idea what anyone is talking about visiting and corruption?


some one hasn't read the game flavor ;D
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
October 29 2020 20:42 GMT
#623
playing like a jester onegu
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 29 2020 20:43 GMT
#624
On October 29 2020 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 08:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 08:26 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 29 2020 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 29 2020 07:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 29 2020 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 29 2020 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it.

That’s fine, my opinion is out there. You may not buy it but I obviously do.

It’s my gut read on people’s posting plus. Sure, it’s early and bold.

I still feel that dirk, rayn, Iamp, and acro are all town. Scum can lurk and plenty of players still havent posted (as far as I have caught up to, which is like page 8)

I don’t like discussing our plans openly however. Why tell scum and any 3P what we are doing?


On October 29 2020 02:17 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words, I agree with Iamp. Scum hunt not mechanics discussion.


In these two posts, Slam establishes a preference for "scum hunting" rather than talking about the setup. This should mean that his posts should be geared to finding mafia, and his attitude should generally be positive towards any discussion geared toward finding mafia.

The problem is that his subsequent post is the opposite:

On October 29 2020 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 29 2020 03:20 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 29 2020 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
[quote]
You agree that everyone posting is town?

Which by this point I obv no longer believe. More people have posted since 8

Who is mafia then?

Why is ShoCkeyy both busier than me and capable of more activity?

And hapa duh dude lol.


This post is completely mentally incongruent with his previous attitude. It is basically designed to shut down and brush off substantive discussion, particularly the "duh" portion of the post.

In his first post, he talks about scum hunting.
In his next post, he is explicit that his scum-read on me should be so obvious that is not even worth discussion.

That does not sound town to me.


Had to step out by the time you posted the first instance of this, then caught up.

Hapa do you notice that the comment on ShoCkeyy is a reply to a very specific question by rayn regarding my post pointing out that I think non town have started playing?

If you read it in that light (the truth) you’ll see the error in your logic with this.

Still catching up. Workday almost done


I'm not getting this.

It is true that earlier in the conversation, Rayn asked whether or not you felt non-town started playing. However, you didn't quote that post. You quoted Rayn's post that asked you "who is mafia?"

Do you think I'm mafia or not?

I believe your claim. You’re not town and it’s complicated but you may as well be town.

ShoCkeyy I scumread.


Why do you scumread me? What did I do to make you think I'm mafia yo...

Why do you feel the need to mention inactivity if you can multitask like you showed me?

That’s it so far and I think it’s enough frankly. Day will tell, there’s also total lurkers like Ticktock and Koshi.

Either the team is you and those three or Onegu, or I am wrong about someone. 3P have an easy time convincing me though, I admit 1. Being pretty bad at this and 2. Hypocrisy. I am a full blown hypocrite.


Some meetings don't require much of my time, so I can post, but some others require a ton of my time, so I just want to make people aware that I won't be able to respond in a timely manner.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 29 2020 20:44 GMT
#625
On October 30 2020 05:42 iamperfection wrote:
playing like a jester onegu



Is this any different than normal>?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 22:40 GMT
#626
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 30 2020 01:16 GMT
#627
I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim.
Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks.

hmmm....
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-30 01:20:10
October 30 2020 01:19 GMT
#628
This is your friendly T-minus approx. 10 hour reminder to submit your night actions to me and Artanis.

If you submitted them during Day 0, you might want to send them in again.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
October 30 2020 01:52 GMT
#629
yeah it seems strange to me as well but im puzzled by it.
Like it just dosent seem very good to me. but it dosent seem scum.... i think
so maybe another 3p.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
October 30 2020 01:52 GMT
#630
maybe everyone is 3p except me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
October 30 2020 01:53 GMT
#631
the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:05 GMT
#632
##Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:05 GMT
#633
On October 30 2020 10:52 iamperfection wrote:
maybe everyone is 3p except me



Nah you must have forgot I am VT
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:11 GMT
#634
On October 30 2020 10:53 iamperfection wrote:
the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games?



FWIW I have a named role that isnt just vt...I kinda have a ability though only if I find my missing item so take this how you will.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 02:12 GMT
#635
On October 30 2020 11:05 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 10:52 iamperfection wrote:
maybe everyone is 3p except me



Nah you must have forgot I am VT


Yea but then you mentioned “for now”. This item that you gain turns you into a different role I’m assuming. Is it for 3p or would it still be a town victory?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:19 GMT
#636
On October 30 2020 11:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 11:05 Onegu wrote:
On October 30 2020 10:52 iamperfection wrote:
maybe everyone is 3p except me



Nah you must have forgot I am VT


Yea but then you mentioned “for now”. This item that you gain turns you into a different role I’m assuming. Is it for 3p or would it still be a town victory?


Still town...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:20 GMT
#637
and where did i mention for now?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 02:22 GMT
#638
On October 29 2020 08:25 Onegu wrote:
Then I will no longer be vt because I got something. See how this works?


Well I derived for now from this post and another where you say “currently”.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 02:25 GMT
#639
On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.


I know you’re a writer but that’s a lot of words. Sorry my one liners wasn’t enough for you.

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 30 2020 02:34 GMT
#640
On October 30 2020 11:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 08:25 Onegu wrote:
Then I will no longer be vt because I got something. See how this works?


Well I derived for now from this post and another where you say “currently”.



Meh I can kinda understand where you are coming from with the question, but it is really reachy to go from you are town to you get a item and become 3p...

I will be more clear. I am VT currently. When I get my item I become blue. Not black, not red, not italics.
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