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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 30 2020 07:06 GMT
#701
On October 30 2020 16:04 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean like my claim doesnt make sense because i am refusing to claim??? lolol

You claimed your role makes you sure that Shockey is town and you posted in the thread that you activated some part of your role, though no host message followed like it did Dirk's.

And yes, your refusal to be more forthcoming is ridiculous.

I already said the first part is not true.
Everything else is nonsense. Me using a power and not telling what i did is in no way scummy.
table for two on a tv tray
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 30 2020 07:09 GMT
#702
Im here for a bit.

Regarding my thoughts on the database which some of you have questioned.

I initial thoughts was to send 3 people to get as much info as possible without increasing corruption. I don't see corruption increasing to be anything positive for us - especially because my role ability makes it out to be a price payed for a town benefit later.

With that in mind i changed my opinion to send 1 or 2 so that corruption didn't increase and ending on sending 1 since it would be easier to "control" the events and thus gain infomation from that.

I have never said sending everyone was a good idea. Quite the oppsite actually. I called people idiots for saying it. I think the setup is convuluted enough that people can claim to have gone to the database, make stuff up and we would never know.

All if this should be clear if you actually read my posts instead of just guessing...

That being said. I dont think we are at a point where there are consensus about who goes, checking what or how many. So if the corruption increase anyway we might aswell send as many as possible.

I won't be going.

I welcome any check on me. Both my role and what corruption level increase. My role isnt affected my the level of corruption besides that my one off ability would increase it by 1.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 30 2020 07:09 GMT
#703
On October 30 2020 15:58 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 15:54 Tictock wrote:
The more I look at and read the rules I think checking "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is specific to the person you are checking.

So I think if I check Dirk and what the corruption level does and I get nothing then that means his claim is pretty legit, otherwise my sus about him is totally valid.

This seems like a solid option for me then as I will either be able to clear Dirk or prove he lied about his claim.

I don't have an interest in trying to control what everybody does, but I do think it would be good to say who, what, and why you are going to the database so we can at least try to track what is going on in this game.

Greymist literally clarified it in the thread


Yea, he said we have to target somebody which backs this up right?
I can take that responsibility.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:10 GMT
#704
On October 30 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:04 yamato77 wrote:
On October 30 2020 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean like my claim doesnt make sense because i am refusing to claim??? lolol

You claimed your role makes you sure that Shockey is town and you posted in the thread that you activated some part of your role, though no host message followed like it did Dirk's.

And yes, your refusal to be more forthcoming is ridiculous.

I already said the first part is not true.
Everything else is nonsense. Me using a power and not telling what i did is in no way scummy.

So you lied in the thread, called me mafia because my read on Shockey was "too easy", repeated my exact line of questioning re: Shockey's motivations and still think I'm mafia because I "write too much".

I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must.
Writer@WriterYamato
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 30 2020 07:13 GMT
#705
On October 29 2020 16:10 GreYMisT wrote:
I have had a few questions about this, so here was my intent in the rules post.

You must always target a player when you visit the database because otherwise the database won’t let you connect. Once you are “in” you are able to determine what effect the next level of corruption will have on the game.

Again, my intent was to have that be clear from that post. Carry on.


Oh, "have on the game"

Guess it works closer to how I thought before then...

So I guess I wouldn't learn anything for sure but still get a bit of understanding what corruption will do. Humm...
I can take that responsibility.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 30 2020 07:13 GMT
#706
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 30 2020 07:14 GMT
#707
On October 29 2020 16:10 GreYMisT wrote:
I have had a few questions about this, so here was my intent in the rules post.

You must always target a player when you visit the database because otherwise the database won’t let you connect. Once you are “in” you are able to determine what effect the next level of corruption will have on the game.

Again, my intent was to have that be clear from that post. Carry on.

No he says you just have to target a player. He says once your in you able to see what the corruption will have on the game. It doesn't say player
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 30 2020 07:15 GMT
#708
I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must.
i also thought you think i am mafia and not "wrong"? Which is it?
table for two on a tv tray
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 30 2020 07:15 GMT
#709
On October 30 2020 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But anyways i dont really care if mafia goes. Yamato/grack/onegu going is good.


Didn't you want to go too rayn? What changed?
I can take that responsibility.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:16 GMT
#710
On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

Then you're not reading my posts, as I said.

In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim:

On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?
Writer@WriterYamato
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 30 2020 07:18 GMT
#711
I'm finding out what the corruption does btw I don't trust hapa to do it. Good night
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:18 GMT
#712
On October 30 2020 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must.
i also thought you think i am mafia and not "wrong"? Which is it?

Who knows. I don't have to know your alignment on Night 0. I am suspicious of you. I attempt to work under the assumption that you're town and wrong in order to make you see the light of day but you generally refuse to be reasoned with so I grow weary. At some point I have to just treat you like you're mafia if you refuse to cooperate.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 30 2020 07:21 GMT
#713
On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

Then you're not reading my posts, as I said.

In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim:

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you?
table for two on a tv tray
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 30 2020 07:26 GMT
#714
You don't think yamato has been more townish recently?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:27 GMT
#715
On October 30 2020 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote:
On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

Then you're not reading my posts, as I said.

In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim:

On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you?

Think critically about this game and how I've played. I come into the thread with a Shockey scumread and you DECLARE that he's town. You lied. You call me mafia (at least partly) because my scumread of Shockey is "too easy". You then recent your claim and try to ask the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS to Shockey about his motivations and the inherent logical inconsistencies in his posts that I already pointed at while apparently continue to believe that my suspicion of him comes from a mafia perspective?

How does that make sense, exactly? Why should I trust a player who plays like this? How am I supposed to interact with you? These are questions I do not have an answer to. I just have to assume your alignment at some point because I cannot make a whole lot of sense out of what's going on there.
Writer@WriterYamato
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 30 2020 07:29 GMT
#716
If i die tonight i think you should get rid of grack.

twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:33 GMT
#717
I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it.
Writer@WriterYamato
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 30 2020 07:33 GMT
#718
On October 30 2020 10:53 iamperfection wrote:
the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games?


Btw i never claimed VT. I also a night action.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 30 2020 07:38 GMT
#719
On October 30 2020 16:33 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 10:53 iamperfection wrote:
the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games?


Btw i never claimed VT. I also a night action.

Named town whatever
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 30 2020 07:41 GMT
#720
On October 30 2020 16:33 yamato77 wrote:
I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it.

To be fair your buried your acro "case" in a the last paragraph in a very long post.

I do think acro is also a but scummy, but not as much as grack.

After reading his acros filter i stumbled upon one of his very first posts:

On October 28 2020 20:16 Acrofales wrote:
Koshi, Dirkzor. Where are you? Rayn? You scum?


Why ask to Koshi? He have posted once and that was his /in. No reason to think he was here. Myself and ray had just posted before game start so make sense... but not Koshi.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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