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Then town wins easy. | ||
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My last investment didn't go so good... | ||
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On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote: I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it  And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote ##Vote rayn Vivax's post tickled me when he said that Rayn already knows that he is town and bringing up (I think) a past game where he caught Rayn doing this. I have no idea what he's talking about for the past game with Trfel but I believe that he believes what he's writing. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear Here I don't see scum trying to explain why they aren't voting for somebody because they think another person might have a role. It doesn't seem like the kind of reasoning that mafia would come up with to justify avoiding voting on a partner. Rayn worries me. I made a note that I felt Rayn seemed defensive about needing to justify his own read more than having a strong scumread on Kurumi in this post: On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? and my feelings of that got stronger with this post: On April 30 2020 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't agree with this at all, being on the "receiving end" here. I mean that's not how i feel like it went at all. But i am not really interested in Kurumi right now, probably not a D1 lynch anyways. If Rayn isn't interested in Kurumi that makes me feel stronger about my original interpretation of his post. It also seemed pretty clear to me that he was trying to win over Koshi while talking to him. Maybe he just has a fairly confident town read on Koshi, or he's got an interest in getting a Jock lynch over GB. FF I didn't like because he seems like he's putting effort into seeming casual in his posts. Especially in a post where he's spreading suspicion onto Shockey. On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote Also if I have the timeframe correct, he posted the night before and then the next morning he forgot about the game and is promising contributions? On April 29 2020 23:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh jeez guys I'm sorry. I forgot about the game. I work all day but I'll try and be less of a donkey today That seems strange to me. At most he would have forgotten about the game for only a few hours after waking up, and I don't think he's been doing much since then. TLDR: I have weak reads: Vivax/Kurumi lean town Rayn/FF lean scum | ||
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Also, I really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but: @Koshi: There's a grammar mistake I've noticed you making fairly frequently for a couple of years now. When you say "Rayn his reads" the english translation would just be "Rayn's reads". I don't know if it's a translation mistake just from writing quickly or something I should point out, but it's pretty easy to correct so I thought I might mention it. | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago... Shit more like 5 years ago Also this was more like 8 years.  | ||
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I'm just going to vote Rayn off gut. ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's mostly because he seems to be deciding on some reads and then looking for something to fit those reads. Let's see: There is way more to be said about Vivax than what Grack writes. Anyways that part isn't my main concern. On Kurumi: I can understand people thinking Kurumi is town. There is nothing wrong with that. However grack's reasoning here is that because rayn is mafia Kurumi cannot be mafia because Kurumi wouldn't do what he did in regards of Trfel and rayn. It's like absolutely idiotic to say Kurumi is town for that reason (especially when he later on says his read on me isn't even that strong). I think it's just a made up reason. Then there is the read on me: Let's see here.. When ever have i had problems making a case on a townie when i am mafia, regardless of who the said person is (note that Grackaroni has already decided that Kurumi is town)? Like, Grack thinks i am mafia because i am afraid of calling Kurumi mafia. Does that sound reasonable knowing me -- to ANYONE? Because it shouldn't. The second part is also suspicious. Apparently it is suspicious for me that i am trying to win Koshi over? If it's not a thing that makes me suspicious then what is that whole thing doing in Grack's "rayn is mafia" post? Well, the thing here is that let's say this is true and i am mafia trying to win Koshi over. That should automatically translate (or the starting point should be) that Koshi is town. Why would i otherwise try to win Koshi over as mafia? Except that Grackaroni apparently doesn't think Koshi is town because it's not even in his weak town reads with Kurumi and Vivax. I don't really have a "problem" with the FF read, although i think FF is an easy target to attack here, since he hasn't done that much in comparison to other people. Ironically that's actually a town thing for FF. He is way more focused and "clean" as mafia than he is as town, which was the original reason for me townreading him, that hasn't changed. Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him. Knowing GB i would assume him to be fully shouting at me and Trfel at least. Instead of doing that (i mean like something productive) he is more interested in just backing on his own read. For Kurumi it's just something that stuck out to me as unusual from his post. Either he is mafia and he felt the need to explain why he's choosing to vote for Trfel and not for you, (my thought would be that he only would feel he has to do this as mafia if you are his teammate) and then he came up with the idea of trfel being a role to justify not voting for you, or he has a strange town thought process. It just seemed convoluted to me to come from a mafia thought process to explain not voting for you. For you I misread a bit earlier that you already weren't too interested in lynching Kurumi before the first post I quoted. The point wasn't that you are incapable of pushing scumreads as scum. To me it seems like you got in a bit of an argument with Kurumi, a couple of people were sniping on the way you came off in the posts rather than the logic you made, and then when it was already over you came back with the logic of the argument which paints you in a better light, even though you had no interest in using it against Kurumi. For the Koshi point it was mostly my own bias against you. I was just a bit weary of the way you were interacting with him because he was starting to take control of the thread and you were working hard on influencing him to vote for Jock over GB. | ||
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GB is really aggressive by nature and Koshi knows that, but then he compares GB's reactions to Kurumi/Fefe and calls GB scum because town would react more conservatively. He's expected to make waves and then get called out for making an aggressive read on Jock. On April 30 2020 03:32 Koshi wrote: GB is not making any waves. Very slippery. On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote: The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep. ##Vote GB | ||
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On April 30 2020 23:02 Vivax wrote: He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at. From Fefe: Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack? Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn. I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy. I'm not forming any teams at the moment. Reading through his filter just now. I kind of like Shockeyy. He called out Koshi's opening as a mafia opening, which was something Koshi conceded to him, so I'll give him points for that. To be honest I don't feel very strongly about the big post I made the previous night and I would scrap most of it. Trfel/Vivax/Rayn all get some town points based off of their effort. | ||
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On May 01 2020 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. Since you know Koshi's mafia range so well point me out to a game that's "in range" with this game as per his play on D1? lol he's played a lot of strong games as mafia. He's definitely capable of firing off a lot of posts as mafia. | ||
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I have 5 minutes I will vote to consolidate somewhere or I'll vote Koshi. | ||
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##Vote:Slam I think I'm probably going to be the lynch tbh. Sorry for bad play. | ||
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Where were you on the day of April 30th at 12 O'clock PM during the death of Mr KURUMI? Were you with Chezinu at the Federal Reserve? Did you lower the interest rates to increase employment in accordance with macroeconomic principles? What say you????? | ||
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I should have read through the thread and posted more than a page but I waited too long to start. I thought I would probably be the lynch from what I was reading when I came in the thread and for posting little content. | ||
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On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. There's not much he can say to that. Either he's town and suspicious of a lot of people or he's scum jumping on a lot of scum reads. | ||
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Rayn was super scummy throughout all of day 1. He said my reasoning was made up and seemed convinced I was mafia. He said he caught Jock making a stupid mafia mistake and that he was beating himself up for letting him off the hook in the last game and still made no real attempt to get him lynched. Instead he joins forces with Koshi. He votes for GB saying that at least 2 townies would be voting for the same person that way. (though he also said something about GB just leaving opinions and not trying to convince people of things) At the end of the day he leaves the train with 3 votes on GB with Koshi/Vivax/FF, who were all his townreads, to vote for ShoCkkey and then later Kurumi who he said was probably town but was going to throw the game anyway. Slam/ShoCkeyy are both pretty low posting and seem to only talk about each other, so I'm starting to think they're practicing a different kind of social distancing. I liked that Slam seemed to have a hard turn against Rayn for his flip but then 5 minutes later he turned into a pancake or something. Koshi for some reason says that Trfel/FeFe/Slam were all very townie at the EoD, which I don't understand. I could really vote a whole bunch of people though tbh. | ||
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Anyone that isn't Vivax or Trfel | ||
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On May 01 2020 20:41 Koshi wrote: Anyway. If people feel I shouldnt spam please let me know. Dont be a Kurumi. I can also just think these things and not post them. No I like them. I did notice Slam turned on Rayn based on his read change at the end of the day. | ||
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On May 02 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote: So you could lynch Fefe. GB is saying he's definitely town. What do you think of that? I think FeFe got a lot of credit by posting his stray comments in the summary post he was writing up, but I think he's clever enough to do that as scum. At the very least at the moment I was probably going to leave a vote on FF but switched to Rayn based off him doing that. FF actually has one of the highest scum win-rates and is quite good at faking a townie mindset. | ||
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I think I was vigged n1 my last game as town in a similar situation so if someone is debating who to shoot right now I hope you choose Chezinu, but obviously I understand if it's me. At the very least I'll keep coming back to read every so often and hopefully I'll feel strongly about something at some point later on. | ||
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I'd probably leave a comment that if he spends most of his time calling out Slam for making inconsistencies people are going to suspect him, especially in the case where Slam is town rather than them distancing from each other. | ||
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On May 02 2020 10:31 Alakaslam wrote: Cause I’m an arrogant SOB but when I’m scum I’m so slick and refined that anyone who knows me can see it right away I wouldn't count that in future games. When someone questions you on something it's not helpful to just shout that you wouldn't make a sloppy play as mafia. | ||
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On May 02 2020 07:42 Koshi wrote: Would Grack go after rayn. Would Slam go after rayn. Would gb go after rayn. As mafia vs town rayn. Meh I don't really care about going after Rayn as mafia. Maybe not advisable to poke Rayn if I'm not willing to put in the effort to play though. | ||
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On May 02 2020 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think that you should be reading your top scumread's posts really care fully and you dont know thta i townread Trfel? lol ok then. I mostly wanted you to elaborate but if you want to play "GOTCHA" rather than talking to me I'm not going to bother with you. | ||
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On May 02 2020 12:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know why i should elaborate on that. I think, if youre not mafia, then jock and chezinu kinda have to be mafia. What do you think about that? Because you just said no. If I just replied no to one of your posts you would have some questions. Trfel does go out of his way to defend GB/Jock/me/you and goes after Kurumi for attacking him rather than pushing FF after he said he liked Vivax's read. He mentions 3-4 times that FF is suspicious of too many people and even asks him why he is spreading suspicion on so many people. What was he expecting FF to say to that? Then after FF is killed he throws out ShoCkkey/Slam/Chezinu/me as suspects from the night kill. He gives me bad feels like he's defending the players who might threaten him and pushing the players he thinks he can lynch. Are you back to GB as mafia then for Jock/Chezinu as the remaining two? | ||
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On May 03 2020 21:54 Vivax wrote: Dunno, I didn't have a good night of sleep and just want a wagon going that doesn't get derailed because I might crash to bed before. Typically, that involves the people in the thread finding the scumreads in common, voting them, and if they show up, they try to convince us why someone else is more mafia than them. Right now it feels more like walking into an argument between a couple. So, my opinion is that rayn is again turning a blind eye to shockeyy, for some reason. Was like that last game too. Well, Shockeyy was mafia. Koshi on the other hand is going berserk because Kurumi was mislynched by rayn, presumably. Is there any read you guys have in common? Hey these last few pages have been great. :D | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote: So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. He's detached from everything else that happens in the game and he gives an associative read of GB being town based off Koshi/Slam being mafia. It seems like his same playbook from his last game in the database (I know there are a couple more recent from this year that I'm going to keep looking in to.) https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy In this game at the start of the game Ticktock makes a comment about being unlynchable this game. ShoCkkey says that Ticktock is either mafia or claiming doctor and continues to push Ticktock as mafia from that comment until he gets killed. Calix attacks him and then ShoCkkey ties Calix as a clear partner of Ticktock. After Ticktock flips town Calix gets called mafia for knowing that Ticktock was town. I'm going to keep reading more games but the mindset he has doesn't seem like a town one to me of taking in new information. | ||
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https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy I think ShoCkkey should definitely be the lynch. ##Vote: ShoCkkey | ||
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On May 04 2020 02:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Bruh Grack why are you reading other games, my style changes every game. Just read this game... Because a lot of things don't change like how confident a player is able to feel in their reads. A lot of people are having trouble forming strong reads this game and you right off the bad are convinced that Koshi/Slam are both mafia and base all of your future thoughts on that pairing. That's contrary to your last game where you were much more modest about your opinions. You push HF for his push and go back and forth with him quite a bit but at the end of the day you don't feel confident enough to go through with it. Palmar actually votes you purely to be funny with no reasoning at all and you don't blow it up as him being a clear scum in your vote. On March 27 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: Heh zoom is pretty old, it was really catered to businesses, but finally people are starting to realize that not a lot of things require you to be there 24/7... Either way I’m in agreement with Chez it’s rough to really play a good game from day 1. That’s why I always found debating who’s mafia and who isn’t on the first day any useful. I think day 2 is where it gets interesting. On March 27 2020 10:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: The only way I can think Trfel is mafia is because he's sheeping HF to try and throw some shade over to HF. HF while yes tries to commit to some discussion, and is known strong player, I can see why Trfel would try and sheep him. In all honesty its still early, people start really coming out when there's like four hours left... On March 27 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: The point I was trying to make is that you instantly came with a list of his posts, gave your opinion why you think he’s mafia only after being pressured to give reasons, but it’s literally KC first few posts. Essentially what you’re criticizing him for is what you’re doing to him. Giving opinions. But hey you determined he was mafia at some point with only about 10 posts. On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB. I think your play this game seems very similar to the scum game I quoted earlier, where you choose two people to be scum at the start of the game and tunnel throughout, rather than the way you approached the game in your town game, but we'll have to see. | ||
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On May 04 2020 03:16 Trfel wrote: I don't really want to put words in ShoCkeyy's mouth, but it's understandable to me that mafia could use a night kill to try and implicate someone and wait for town to lead that wagon. I've seen it happen before (or even not happen if town didn't go that way). Honestly if mafia tries to use the night kill to implicate someone, I think that's the smart way to do it. You don't risk yourself if town doesn't bite. I think the night kill says that mafia don't feel intimated by Rayn/Koshi. I'd expect one of them to be scum tbh, but if GB is mafia with neither of them then he made a really ballsy choice to leave them both in. If they both put in their town play Rayn/Koshi could come together and give GB hell for a second cycle in a row. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation: - First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died - He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do - The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it) - But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia. - Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol. | ||
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From Rayn. | ||
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On May 04 2020 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think this is the strongest point for Shockeyy being mafia. I still don't think it's as likely as Slam being mafia and there is simply no mafia team where Jock doesn't belong to so basically i am just gonna hope you guys are right then. He was definitely lackluster. He just decided ShoCkkey and Koshi are opposite alignments, looks over people's reasons for voting ShoCkkey and says that there was no real reason to scum read ShoCkkey so he stays as a townread, and he writes a post saying that GB could have lynched him if he was scum. I agree he didn't seem to put in much. On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote: So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn. Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also. Are you mostly scumreading him from lack of effort and PoE or is there something I misunderstand that makes him very scummy to you. | ||
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On May 04 2020 03:51 Alakaslam wrote: Well fuck I am sorry but can we get a more recent count? I have no clue what is going on because yesterday I was having mad mutual masturbation all day and all night because she’s worried about sex during pregnancy sonce she hasnt seen a doctor ywt and learned wisdom We don't have to hear about this Slam. lol. | ||
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On May 04 2020 03:49 GlowingBear wrote: I'll repeat what I've said, then. You think mafia tried to frame me by killing FF. Which means mafia agenda = mislynching GB. In other words, this is an argument they will use against me at some point. The only person who scumreads me is Trfel. It fits your perspective as scummy. He should be insta-scum in your perspective. I ask you: what's Trfel alignment? You say: null How do you explain this? That could really easily just be a throwaway comment. I can speculate about night kills and then mostly ignore it. | ||
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On May 05 2020 04:41 Alakaslam wrote: I just thought of something I want to say. Why the hell have people been scumreading based on changing minds? If you are gonna scumread someone for changing their mind. Then you should also believe that day1 lynches usually hit scum. Because, town MUST change their mind on occasion as new information comes up, and town often WILL change their mind even with no new info as they look at the same shit with a new lens. Scum are more likely to have a consistent plan and stick to it (which doesn't mean their reads will be consistent!) so tbat is the thing to watch for. Why were you so confident ShoCkkey would be town at the end of the day? That was a large part of why I thought he would be scum. | ||
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On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote: I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town I'm not shitting on you. I was just trying to understand your thought process. I didn't read the pages the previous night so that's my bad that Rayn was asking you that already. | ||
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On May 05 2020 11:06 GlowingBear wrote: I'm diving jock's filter. Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that. we're at 5-3 at this point and you/Jock both write each other off as possible mafia just for choosing not to lynch each other. I kind of doubt you would both do that as a team, but I think 1 of you two has to be mafia. | ||
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On May 05 2020 12:06 Alakaslam wrote: Or frankly town is playing like shit but it is easier for me to say mafia is playing really well since I still have some dignity. It's hard to say town is playing like shit without including in yourself or having the game solved. It seems like the mafia team played well. I'm mostly just hoping it's Jock lol. | ||
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On May 05 2020 13:00 Trfel wrote: I thought Chezinu's was a joke? I'm horrid about people hinting at roles and subtleties and things. I guess I'll take another look at it, but raynpelikoneet obviously saw something, so I think that's a valid point. Chez has been role playing as the federal reserve/doctor. I agree if someone else is blue they should claim. | ||
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On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote: Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now? What are your thoughts on me? I think Rayn is right Jockmcplop has been underwhelming and the possible mafia are getting narrowed down. I still think you could be mafia but Rayn/you both seem to be acting like your play this game is outside of your mafia range and I don't think I would go against that. I'd guess Koshi as well since he isn't obvious town. He's usually the cockiest player and during the night he was blaming me for misleading him as a beacon of smartness. Most of the time Koshi/Rayn should have died ahead of FF. I'd never lynch Vivax. | ||
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My life is fucked too lol. | ||
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On May 05 2020 14:03 Trfel wrote: I majored in Mechanical Engineering before, I'm planning on going back for Computer Science. The prerequisites overlap, so it'll only be another two and a half years or so... How so? Oh nice. I majored in math and have no experience for anything. I'm stuck tutoring at least until Covid passes. I think I may try to get into Computer Science too. | ||
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On May 05 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote: Ah, yeah How does tutoring work during the coronavirus time? I imagine it would be a lot harder to find new people to tutor...And that'd be cool! It ought to be a good career for getting employed and staying employed Actually busier than before. There's a lot of people looking to fill in missing school time. | ||
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On May 05 2020 14:13 Trfel wrote: Huh, surprised, that's pretty cool though! I assume that's a good thing for you? Haha Yeah for the moment but there's no long-term prospects there. | ||
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On May 06 2020 02:54 Alakaslam wrote: People really exploded with my obvious nighttime fakeclaim of cop. Now they want me to be mason. Can we really not fit a tongue in any of our cheeks, or am I just a chipmunk? Wait didn't you claim cop at the end of day 1. That's pretty suspicious lol. | ||
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If we aren't voting Jock I'd vote Koshi over Vivax though. Slam also claimed cop at the end of day 1 when he had 2 votes and was being hard pushed by Rayn the night before Rayn died. This would be my new list atm. Trfel GB Vivax Chezinu? Jock Slam Koshi | ||
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b]##Vote: Jockmcplop[/b] | ||
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On May 06 2020 13:58 Chezinu wrote: ##Vote: Jockmcplop Then we slam Koshi! If we lose, we blame rayn Always a solid plan. | ||
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I probably should bank on 2 blues for a setup that's short one townie and move up Chez. | ||
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On May 06 2020 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote: I already made my argument for slam being scum. I went and looked at every single scum game in his filter. It took me absolutely ages tbh, but I didn't make a big quote wall or anything so it probably got ignored. He just doesn't take things personally in his scum games and doesn't get stressed out like he is here by people scumreading him. Look at what he's saying and think the opposite. When he says he doesn't care what people think its a dead giveaway that he does. But as mafia his posting is the opposite, its chill and fun, exciteable even. Go look at his previous mafia games. You should be able to see the difference. I'll look over some Slam games. Vivax/Trfel have been the most invested/contributive players for most of this game so if they're scum they outplayed town pretty hard. | ||
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On May 06 2020 22:04 Koshi wrote: Grack went from Vivax 100% town never lynch to GB the madman made a great point on Vivax, GB tiptoptown, Vivax fell off. So let's vote with my earlier scumread Tfrel, with my fallen angel Vivax, and Koshi who I think is mafia on Jock. lol all I did was move Vivax down a notch and move GB up a notch. Our reads on Trfel/Vivax are largely the same. | ||
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On May 07 2020 01:18 Koshi wrote: Your point? We should take the loss. And with we I mean town because you maf Well obvs we're taking the loss!! Town needs to lynch 3 right in a row. Maybe we can get one though. | ||
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I GOT HIM HAHAHAHAHAHAH | ||
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On May 01 2020 04:00 Hapahauli wrote: Day 1 - 5-MINUTES-TILL-DEADLINE COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=33#656 Votes: Kurumi: (3) Trfel, Raynpelikoneet, FecalFeast GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam Alakaslam: (2) ShocCkeyy, Grackaroni Jockmcplop: (1) GlowingBear Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) Chezinu Raynpelikoneet: (0) FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Chezinu: (0) Grackaroni: (0) ShoCkeyy: (0) Not Voting: Jockmcplop Kurumi is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day | ||
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On May 07 2020 01:35 Vivax wrote: Still don't know what Slam is doing. I know that it feels like almost everyone has Chez as possible mafia but no one is voting for him. That usually means something. But we can keep that in mind for tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Wagon feels good to me and there's enough dudes going sort of ape with Jock on the table. Grack, you bored greenchecked mafia, what do you make of Chez after today?Still null? gameplay says scum and theory crafting says there should be two blues and nobody else but Chez could be a blue. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
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On May 07 2020 02:10 Koshi wrote: I let smart people decide who needs to be replaced with Grack. That guy is mafia. It's definitely coming down to me at the end and I'm going to put in as much effort as I am now, so I'm kinda hoping Trfel just played a godlike mafia game lol. | ||
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On May 07 2020 02:34 Trfel wrote: Can't help but notice that my proposed mafia team are the three people who haven't posted yet Better decide what to do! Your team is also the same as Rayn's team from last night. | ||
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On May 07 2020 04:22 Koshi wrote: Ah no. Chez is red? W.e I dont care. Chez was confirmed town by Trfel | ||
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On May 09 2020 05:34 Chezinu wrote: Even if you voted correctly. We would have lost. Only one wrong town vote was needed to lose. That's why I waited to vote at end. Slam still votes Trfel. All mafia just needed to stack, which Vivax was waiting. DIdn't you end up no-voting though? :D You're right I don't think anyone had the game solved. After the ShoCkkey lynch it was going to be really hard to get 3 lynches right in a row. Trfel was close to carrying us through it with his check on GB and his connection between GB/Jock but it wasn't enough. In hindsight I recognize some weird posts from GB trying overly hard to connect Koshi as a buddy of Jockmcplop. | ||
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On May 12 2020 04:05 Hapahauli wrote: Workin on it. I'm not going to Blazinghand this. I swears. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OoFtqcv.gif) | ||
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