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[QUOTE]On June 27 2018 05:40 KelsierSC wrote: Day 1 Vote Count ShoCkeyy[1]:ShoCkeyy Holyflare[1]:Conversion Regfan[3]:Mocsta,Regfan,Ticktock Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet Koshi[1]:Koshi TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[2]:CopCake,Vivax boxerfred[1]:boxerfred Vivax[2]:Holyflare,Calix Regfan is currently the lynch. The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . [/QUOTE ] Excuse me but I havent voted? [/QUOTE] Since I haven't voted either, he's just adding your vote on yourself. As for being active, I'm catching up on the thread, the only person that has caught my attention was Tictock and his "I'm unlynchable this game" either he's medic or he's mafia is what he's saying, if he was medic I don't get why easily display it. If he is mafia, then I can understand why he would mention it, with the possibility of no one voting for him this game. Aside from that, I'm going to continue catching up, and respond to any questions when I'm done. | ||
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Then all your games seem to be “exceptional” | ||
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On June 27 2018 14:28 Regfan wrote: I'm mostly caught up to date, want to do a bunch of rereads and still haven't heard much from Gemma when I get home from work in ~4 hours; we've scheduled a time later tonight to talk over our reads/thoughts at least. Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces. -> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not. -> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere. -> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily. - R Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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It stars with Calix here: On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it. here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix. On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote: I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^ Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think). Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal. Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it. In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax" On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote: I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today. I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still. Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1. Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him). I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town... | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:23 Calix wrote: Huh, I actually didn't see ShoCkeyy's post where he actively scum-reads TT. I only saw that one about the medic or mafia conclusion. TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other. Yeah, could lynch this ^^ Which btw, who else has more than "six" scumreads if you can answer that? | ||
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If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote: Another bad post, eh? ^^ Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason? That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler. Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:08 Calix wrote: Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:21 Calix wrote: Because it's 13P and mafia always gets 1 KPN in 13Ps otherwise it'd be unbalanced? You can look at every recent 13P game to verify this. Your 'evidence' for scum-reading TT and I is very weak. With that in mind, your unnatural level of confidence in TT/ Calix scum-team comes across as very forced and try-hard as if you're overcompensating for knowing that I'm town. Of course you would say it's "try-hard" when you're getting scrumread along side with your buddy. You're scum reading me, and I'm scum reading you, isn't that the point? Isn't that what you did all day yesterday? Lol... | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote: Is this a manufactured dumb mechanics thing from Shock? I highly doubt a dude who has played mafia here before honestly thinks mafia getting 3 KP in one night is balanced. at all Shhhhhhhh...... only others know. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:33 Calix wrote: But I'm not wrong. I'm saying your level of confidence in your scum-read doesn't square up with the evidence provided. Which shows that you're making things up. I still don't know why you scum-read me individually and saying "because you're on a team with TT" shows very superficial thinking. Are you saying you're scum-reading me for scum-reading you first? I don't know how to interpret your last sentences otherwise. The evidence is there if others want to look, like Vivax. He actually took a look and saw what I saw. You can interpret the last sentence however you want. | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Calix + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. On June 27 2018 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I simply don't have much to add rn. Also when someone acts like complete ass towards me for no reason at all i am gonna grab my tools and go home. I have better things to do than lose my mental health over some idiot. Calix is painfully obviously mafia. Vote on Vivax means absolutely nothing since it's probably the best thing to do regardless of Vivax' affiliation. She isn't even trying to do anything after Cake case, simply just nothing, except for looking into lurkers (which also was btw scummy as per her opinion). If i have ever seen a staged conversation it is the one between Calix and Vivax. Oh my dear god i laughed at it yesterday.  Vivax has simply zero train of thought in anything he has said this game. It is that simple. I am growing more and more suspicions regarding the hydra. Probably our third mafia right there. Some bullet points: - The thing i talked about earlier where Regfan's and Gemma's thoughts never even try to meld. It was like they are playing a completely different game by themselves and not even trying to figure out which one is wrong when they have a differing opinion on something. Magically, now, when i point this out, it changes! Except that this doesn't make any sense either since Gemma tried to feed some "you don't probably just know how playing as hydra works" bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. But anyways, if she believes in that, there is no reason to change the way they act. So basically it is just done because someone figured out it is not natural what they were doing, and it is because the only reasons you would want to do that is to either stay on both side of the fences or if "one person fucks up, the other one cleans after".- Then there is the thing where Gemma calls Calix town because Calix was nice, and me mafia because i was not nice, early on in the game. When Calix answers my case later on (i should also note that Calix never really touches the actual case even, just some random shit about wording and stuff), what's Gemma's opinion... Calix is supertown because Calix is not nice!!!! Yeahhhh, it's quite amusing when supposedly same standards work in the opposite way regading who is the person in question. - Same with Regfan's read on Calix. The post where Mocsta did go into argument with him earlier today. Regfan doesn't want to lynch Calix because some bs about some three people not being mafia together and some percentage stuff. What is that even, you lynch people who are scummy. If you don't want to lynch someone then you don't think they are scummy. Regfan never even says if he thinks Calix is scummy or not, just some crap that has nothing to do with Calix' affiliation and the conclusion is "not a good lynch". Way to present a "read" without actually saying anything about the person. - Then there is this TT read. 12 hours ago Gemma literally posted this; "We both felt good about TT at the same time.". Suddenly Gemma heavily dislikes TT, for no apparent reason. Basically the only thing TT has done since 12 hrs ago is agreed with the hydra's read that Calix is not necessarily a good lynch. That is literally the only thing that has changed regarding tictocks reads after Gemma called him town. Conclusion; Holyflare watch out, you see what they are doing? - I am not sure i believe regfan doesn't have a read on me since basically every game we have been together in he (as town) always claims "rayn is super easy to read when he is town" (which also simply by association means i am easy to read when i am mafia). If that is correct or not, it's irrelevant, it's relevant he believes so regardless how much of time has passed from our last game together. So yeah, those are my scumreads. I pretend Conversion doesn't exist in the game but he is most likely not mafia anyways. I mean, you trying to say I give no evidence of why you're mafia is just trying to shit on me for no reason and paint me as mafia, when it's clear where your allegiance stands. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:13 Calix wrote: Another meta defense? I'm getting sick of this. Why can't anyone just defend their posts that they're making IN THIS GAME instead of expecting me to slog through games from 2012 or whatever? What's the point of casing people when everyone responds to what I say with "but what about this really old meta though?" and "how dare you scum-read people you've never played with before, you're obviously mafia"? I too could throw a bunch of old games at you if I really wanted to "prove" I'm town but that's boring and doesn't actually prove anything anyway. But I give up. I'll just stick with Vivax so I don't have to deal with some bullshit meta defense instead of anything sourced from this particular game. This doesn't help you, if anything mafia would likely never go back to older games because they simply don't care. While meta can change in different games yes, and it's hard to classify just based on that, it does help when you've played games with others. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:48 Regfan wrote: This is more or less where we're at as a hydra, btw. Regfan Mocsta Holyflare Calix raynpelikoneet CopCake TheSlenderMan boxerfred Conversion Ticktock Vivax Koshi ShoCkeyy We wouldn't lynch anyone in the top tier right now and we think they're all town with varying levels of confidence. We'd both bet the game on Mocsta being town, and I don't think we're very doubtful of anyone in that grouping being town. The second lot are question marks but probably not people we would lynch today when it comes down it, unless we couldn't get anyone in the bottom grouping, and the bottom grouping are people we scumread to some degree, although I'm somewhat uncomfortable voting Vivax at this point given Koshi's treatment of him. I feel really conflicted about all of my scumreads which isn't particularly good when it's supposed to be my job to take care of that side of things but I'm in the middle of a nervous breakdown IRL so I'm just going to blame that. -G When did you read HF town? I may have missed it in your essays. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote: Looks like I was actually reading pg 26, which I have now finished. I need to move my vote off Reg kus I am starting to think I have just been wrong and a bit tunneled on him, and even of not seems to be a solid player to keep around given what I've been reading. I am warming up to a ShoCkeyy lynch, so will move my vote there. He is going to be the next name on my list of dives, but unless he posts a bunch more that will be a short filter. Says this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out? | ||
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