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Grackaroni
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Then town wins easy. | ||
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My last investment didn't go so good... | ||
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On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote: I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it  And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote ##Vote rayn Vivax's post tickled me when he said that Rayn already knows that he is town and bringing up (I think) a past game where he caught Rayn doing this. I have no idea what he's talking about for the past game with Trfel but I believe that he believes what he's writing. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear Here I don't see scum trying to explain why they aren't voting for somebody because they think another person might have a role. It doesn't seem like the kind of reasoning that mafia would come up with to justify avoiding voting on a partner. Rayn worries me. I made a note that I felt Rayn seemed defensive about needing to justify his own read more than having a strong scumread on Kurumi in this post: On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? and my feelings of that got stronger with this post: On April 30 2020 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't agree with this at all, being on the "receiving end" here. I mean that's not how i feel like it went at all. But i am not really interested in Kurumi right now, probably not a D1 lynch anyways. If Rayn isn't interested in Kurumi that makes me feel stronger about my original interpretation of his post. It also seemed pretty clear to me that he was trying to win over Koshi while talking to him. Maybe he just has a fairly confident town read on Koshi, or he's got an interest in getting a Jock lynch over GB. FF I didn't like because he seems like he's putting effort into seeming casual in his posts. Especially in a post where he's spreading suspicion onto Shockey. On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote Also if I have the timeframe correct, he posted the night before and then the next morning he forgot about the game and is promising contributions? On April 29 2020 23:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh jeez guys I'm sorry. I forgot about the game. I work all day but I'll try and be less of a donkey today That seems strange to me. At most he would have forgotten about the game for only a few hours after waking up, and I don't think he's been doing much since then. TLDR: I have weak reads: Vivax/Kurumi lean town Rayn/FF lean scum | ||
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Grackaroni
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Also, I really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but: @Koshi: There's a grammar mistake I've noticed you making fairly frequently for a couple of years now. When you say "Rayn his reads" the english translation would just be "Rayn's reads". I don't know if it's a translation mistake just from writing quickly or something I should point out, but it's pretty easy to correct so I thought I might mention it. | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago... Shit more like 5 years ago Also this was more like 8 years.  | ||
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Grackaroni
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I'm just going to vote Rayn off gut. ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's mostly because he seems to be deciding on some reads and then looking for something to fit those reads. Let's see: There is way more to be said about Vivax than what Grack writes. Anyways that part isn't my main concern. On Kurumi: I can understand people thinking Kurumi is town. There is nothing wrong with that. However grack's reasoning here is that because rayn is mafia Kurumi cannot be mafia because Kurumi wouldn't do what he did in regards of Trfel and rayn. It's like absolutely idiotic to say Kurumi is town for that reason (especially when he later on says his read on me isn't even that strong). I think it's just a made up reason. Then there is the read on me: Let's see here.. When ever have i had problems making a case on a townie when i am mafia, regardless of who the said person is (note that Grackaroni has already decided that Kurumi is town)? Like, Grack thinks i am mafia because i am afraid of calling Kurumi mafia. Does that sound reasonable knowing me -- to ANYONE? Because it shouldn't. The second part is also suspicious. Apparently it is suspicious for me that i am trying to win Koshi over? If it's not a thing that makes me suspicious then what is that whole thing doing in Grack's "rayn is mafia" post? Well, the thing here is that let's say this is true and i am mafia trying to win Koshi over. That should automatically translate (or the starting point should be) that Koshi is town. Why would i otherwise try to win Koshi over as mafia? Except that Grackaroni apparently doesn't think Koshi is town because it's not even in his weak town reads with Kurumi and Vivax. I don't really have a "problem" with the FF read, although i think FF is an easy target to attack here, since he hasn't done that much in comparison to other people. Ironically that's actually a town thing for FF. He is way more focused and "clean" as mafia than he is as town, which was the original reason for me townreading him, that hasn't changed. Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him. Knowing GB i would assume him to be fully shouting at me and Trfel at least. Instead of doing that (i mean like something productive) he is more interested in just backing on his own read. For Kurumi it's just something that stuck out to me as unusual from his post. Either he is mafia and he felt the need to explain why he's choosing to vote for Trfel and not for you, (my thought would be that he only would feel he has to do this as mafia if you are his teammate) and then he came up with the idea of trfel being a role to justify not voting for you, or he has a strange town thought process. It just seemed convoluted to me to come from a mafia thought process to explain not voting for you. For you I misread a bit earlier that you already weren't too interested in lynching Kurumi before the first post I quoted. The point wasn't that you are incapable of pushing scumreads as scum. To me it seems like you got in a bit of an argument with Kurumi, a couple of people were sniping on the way you came off in the posts rather than the logic you made, and then when it was already over you came back with the logic of the argument which paints you in a better light, even though you had no interest in using it against Kurumi. For the Koshi point it was mostly my own bias against you. I was just a bit weary of the way you were interacting with him because he was starting to take control of the thread and you were working hard on influencing him to vote for Jock over GB. | ||
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GB is really aggressive by nature and Koshi knows that, but then he compares GB's reactions to Kurumi/Fefe and calls GB scum because town would react more conservatively. He's expected to make waves and then get called out for making an aggressive read on Jock. On April 30 2020 03:32 Koshi wrote: GB is not making any waves. Very slippery. On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote: The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep. ##Vote GB | ||
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On April 30 2020 23:02 Vivax wrote: He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at. From Fefe: Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack? Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn. I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy. I'm not forming any teams at the moment. Reading through his filter just now. I kind of like Shockeyy. He called out Koshi's opening as a mafia opening, which was something Koshi conceded to him, so I'll give him points for that. To be honest I don't feel very strongly about the big post I made the previous night and I would scrap most of it. Trfel/Vivax/Rayn all get some town points based off of their effort. | ||
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On May 01 2020 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. Since you know Koshi's mafia range so well point me out to a game that's "in range" with this game as per his play on D1? lol he's played a lot of strong games as mafia. He's definitely capable of firing off a lot of posts as mafia. | ||
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I have 5 minutes I will vote to consolidate somewhere or I'll vote Koshi. | ||
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##Vote:Slam I think I'm probably going to be the lynch tbh. Sorry for bad play. | ||
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Where were you on the day of April 30th at 12 O'clock PM during the death of Mr KURUMI? Were you with Chezinu at the Federal Reserve? Did you lower the interest rates to increase employment in accordance with macroeconomic principles? What say you????? | ||
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I should have read through the thread and posted more than a page but I waited too long to start. I thought I would probably be the lynch from what I was reading when I came in the thread and for posting little content. | ||
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On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. There's not much he can say to that. Either he's town and suspicious of a lot of people or he's scum jumping on a lot of scum reads. | ||
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