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Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
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On April 30 2020 12:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Just at the part where you scumread your own post. Not at the whole thing. Sorry if that came across as insulting.
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I have class tomorrow for the time before the deadline, so this will likely be my last chance for a deep filter dive. I'll be around for a bit reading filters, let me know if anyone wants to talk. Still deciding who to vote for, these filter dives will hopefully help with that.
I liked Grackaroni's catch-up post, I like how he pointed out Fecalfeast forgetting about the thread somehow after being the first one to post in it. That said, I also liked Fecalfeast's catch-up, it seemed genuine to me (especially admitting that he changed his read completely). And I'm willing to give Alakaslam the benefit of the doubt on the meta points at least, I know that my "meta" has changed a lot over the past few years of infrequent gameplay, it's reasonable that others would experience that as well. I'll try to re-evaluate his play from a non-meta perspective.
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On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline Can I ask why?
He feels very disinterested/demotivated this game, but I'm not sure that's quite enough for me to be confident killing him yet.
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Though one thing I don't really like about Fecalfeast's play is that it seems to be just throwing suspicion at people. It's one thing to be more focused on scumreads than townreads, but Fecalfeast has seemed willing to cast suspicion anywhere and everywhere. Note that this is primarily before his recent catch-up and update post, it just feels a bit forced though, like he's stretching to make everything look scummy.
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote Note that this is kind of a counterexample, where he says he likes Kurumi. On April 30 2020 00:58 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh?  What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I didn't see this post previously but this seems better than rayns accusation. Also it involves me so it's more interesting by default But then immediately takes it back (at least to some extent?). On April 30 2020 00:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Jock seems opportunistic for the koshi vote and shockkeeeyy seems like he was just throwing shit at the wall and was surprised it stuck On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Following thread sentiment here... Being suspicious of Jockmcplop but not voting him or following up or pushing this. On April 30 2020 04:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote glowingbear
Let's do this And of course, the catch-up post here.
In summary, Fecalfeast seems willing to jump on anyone who's suspicious. He's said something negative about Chezinu, Kurumi, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, and GlowingBear this game already, feels like a lot for the game state and how much he's been invovled. I think it's especially suspect how he jumps on the GlowingBear wagon, there is no prior interest in GlowingBear in his filter and there is no followup either.
I don't know for sure, I like some of Fecalfeast's posts, but this really seems suspicious too. Maybe something to wait on for later? Thoughts?
On April 30 2020 14:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 14:47 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline Can I ask why? He feels very disinterested/demotivated this game, but I'm not sure that's quite enough for me to be confident killing him yet. That's the reason and I did not say kill him today Fair enough, thanks. Noted that you noticed it too 
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I don't have a good read on most of the players here, unfortunately Not really confident about this deadline. Hopefully the deadline process will give more information to work with, though, at least.
I like Fecalfeast's gameplay. Not necessarily that I think he's town, but at least his most recent set of posts, I like for some unknown reason. And this makes me not want to lynch him, even though the logical side of me thinks that him being so suspicious of so many people following the thread sentiment is actually a pretty decent reason to lynch someone
I don't want to lynch Alakaslam today. Even if I don't agree with some of his posts, I can see where he gets his reads from, and it does seem to me like he is trying to figure things out.
Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, and Jockmcplop I don't really want to lynch but also wouldn't have strong feelings if it ended up happening. Potentially add Vivax here, his play feels really flat after the initial convoluted read. It just doesn't have the scumhunting drive I'm used to seeing from Vivax. Him being sick may play a role in this, though. Hoping for a good recovery for Vivax and GlowingBear and any others I may have forgotten who are sick.
Still a few filters to reread, saved the hard ones for last
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On April 30 2020 15:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 06:37 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us? Loss-absorbing capacity among banks is substantially higher as a result of both regulatory requirements and stress testing exercises. Can I ask, is there a reason to not help save the economy by throwing off excess baggage that isn't helping? Like perhaps, a player in a mafia game who only talks about banks in a way that seems to have no connection to or investment in the game at hand?
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@GlowingBear, why are you so opposed to people having different reads/opinions than you? I thought you would know that just because people are (potentially) wrong doesn't make them mafia?
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Sorry for the double post...
@Kurumi, if you really thought Vivax's post about Fecalfeast was a good lead at the start of the game, why have you entirely failed to follow up on it?
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Yeah I tried to un-tunnel and review everything else but I still think that Kurumi is the best lynch.
The reasons are the same as before.On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? Kurumi hasn't provided content since then, either. His big summary post looked pretty, but didn't actually have any content; most of it was recounting what had happened in the thread. It shows effort, but not thought, and that's key.
The only people he really showed any thought on in that post were me (Trfel) and raynpelikoneet. We've already been over this and I don't feel like going over it again. You have enough information to make up your mind already. But look at Kurumi's play as a whole, it's very underwhelming. Not a lot of critical thinking, lots of logical gaps, and today (real-time, 24-hour day), he hasn't even really been pushing his reads. For example, if he really was convinced that I was a mafia power role (first off, how would he even know this?), why wouldn't he care to try to get people to lynch me? Or at least share his reasoning why?
I could definitely be wrong, I'm really good at being wrong. Honestly I'm not sure if I'll have enough self-confidence to stick with this vote by end of day, but for now I am going to trust my read. And I'd encourage you to take another look at Kurumi and truly evaluate what he's contributed so far.
##vote Kurumi
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On April 30 2020 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have many problems with grackaronis posts. Care to explain? I don't think I felt the same way :/ Though I can always reread.
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Couldn't help but notice Kurumi avoided answering my question/interacting :/ So I assume that means he is still 100% mafia on me.
Reminds me, that's another thing about Kurumi I don't like. In his discussion with Jockmcplop, he learned (and seemed to accept) that posts like my entrance post were normal and acceptable on this forum at this time. But why didn't that affect his read at all? :/
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I'm here. Also in class though, so I'll be on and off.
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia, but I don't really feel convinced about that I don't feel like he's done anything particularly horrible, but he also hasn't done anything particularly good. I would be a lot happier to lynch him if he wasn't sick, because I know how much effort he typically puts into the game as town. But I'd rather lynch someone like Kurumi, who did enough to get out of most people's suspicion and then has been coasting since. But I know that probably won't happen.
Jockmcplop was definitely joking in his vote on Koshi, the post afterwards where he said he was being serious was dripping in sarcasm.
I'll reread GlowingBear yet again, I'd prefer to find something I'm a little more confident in though.
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On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi.
Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that).
Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia?
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On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:45 Koshi wrote:
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.
Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.
You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.
You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.
You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.
Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia. Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia. I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written. I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later. I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here. Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process. I didn't read what Grackaroni posted. Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him) Chez is BROWN <3 FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town. I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see @Vivax and the rest, what makes this post so bad? I get that this wasn't really pertinent to the discussion, but I don't think that makes GlowingBear mafia. The main issue I see with it is that there are a lot of townreads and very few scumreads (really only on Alakaslam), but given that there's only 25 pages in the thread I don't find it completely unreasonable.
My gut says GlowingBear isn't mafia, my head doesn't have great reasons to call him mafia, unless something changes I don't really want to lynch him today.
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On May 01 2020 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:07 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll be here discussing but don't expect much because I'm working GlowingBear, my main question to you concerns your townread on Kurumi. Yes, Kurumi's post was pretty and showed effort. But it was largely a summary of the thread, and only the parts on myself and raynpelikoneet showed any amount of thought whatsoever (not even going to discuss it, but you know my thoughts on that). Why can't scum put in effort? Especially when it doesn't involve thinking or figuring out who is mafia? Scum CAN put effort, but they are most likely not. It's not solely effort that I am townreading Kurumi. He also had the same perspective as me in the beginning of the game, which points out to him being the same alignment as me, and his thoughts are always crystal clear, original, and kept discussion going. That's why he is town. I'd ask you to reread the post/Kurumi's filter except you said you're at work and can't, I'll try to respect that.
I guess I can agree that his thoughts are clear, and original, and kept discussion going. I would also say they have logical flaws and don't make sense though.
What exactly did you and him "mindmeld" about? Just my opening? Because I'd consider agreeing about that fairly insignificant.
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On May 01 2020 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:13 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 23:45 Koshi wrote:
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.
Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.
You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.
You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.
You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.
Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation I started actually reading the thread and I was posting what it appeared to be more significative, Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia. Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia. I tried to play a bit more but I wasn't feeling well, I did my best to catch up with what is written. I never called rayn town. I don't like how he is not taking hard stances, but I have a gut feeling he is probably town and I don't want to talk about it for reasons. I'd rather have him alive and think about him later. I thought Trfel could be mafia if he was actually lazy. My intention with pointing that out was to generate discussion. I think he has being posted a fair amount of information and he is playing more like he is town. I'm not lynching Trfel here. Kurumi posted the same thoughts I had on Trfel and he kept answering rayn in the same way I was thinking, meaning we are coming from the same perspective - hence, town. His wall of texts has he thought process completely displayed on thread, crystal clear. He's not to be discussed day1 after that. Same thing with Vivax. I had the impression on the beginning of the game that he was acting a bit fake, but he is actively contributing with the thread and clearly displaying his thought process. I didn't read what Grackaroni posted. Shockeyy had a bad opening on you, could be mafia, but I wouldn't lynch him today because he does look like mafia as town and he isn't been apologetic for not playing (which I believe is a scum meta for him) Chez is BROWN <3 FF's post about re-reading the thread and flipping his opinion makes him town. I don't know who I'm forgetting, let me see @Vivax and the rest, what makes this post so bad? I get that this wasn't really pertinent to the discussion, but I don't think that makes GlowingBear mafia. The main issue I see with it is that there are a lot of townreads and very few scumreads (really only on Alakaslam), but given that there's only 25 pages in the thread I don't find it completely unreasonable. My gut says GlowingBear isn't mafia, my head doesn't have great reasons to call him mafia, unless something changes I don't really want to lynch him today. he says: jock is mafia slam is mafia rayn can be town or mafia trfel could be town or mafia well whatever, everything else is someone can be town or mafia aside from Kurumi. into later "jock and KOSHI are mafia but i am gonna make a case on rayn". what's GOOD in that? I guess that's not how I read it. I read it as:
Jockmcplop is mafia
Alakaslam is mafia
Raynpelikoneet is town (yes, I realize he directly said he never called you town, maybe this is a misinterpretation on my part)
Trfel is town
Fecalfeast is town
I guess to me, the interesting part was how he gave so many townreads. As mafia, I would expect GlowingBear to be willing to go with any counterwagon that could gain traction, no? It feels like he is boxing himself in a bit here, which makes me slightly inclined to think he's town.
Honestly there isn't much good about the post, and I don't have solid reasons to townread GlowingBear by any stretch, it's just a gut read. I am just trying to understand why everyone else is so much more certain he is mafia. I can't defend GlowingBear, I'd just rather lynch someone else if that makes sense.
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On May 01 2020 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack? I guessssssssssssssssssssss but I'd prefer Chezinu or Fecalfeast?
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