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Hi all 
In-game excuse, I'm going to be a bit lazy this game. Also more likely to be active late evening (PDT).
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On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?
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Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them?
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On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where).
The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what.
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On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!On April 29 2020 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:37 Trfel wrote:Hi all In-game excuse, I'm going to be a bit lazy this game. Also more likely to be active late evening (PDT). No Trfel, you're either effortful or mafia. You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town?
Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment?
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On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though
On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me.
Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence.
It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it.
On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia?
On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play.
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
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Sorry for the repeat post, but I should add, I was very serious about being more active late evening. I try to prioritize real life over mafia, so I'll be here when I am free, but if there are real life things I'll be doing those. Like now, I'm going to play a board game with some friends (Tabletop Simulator, don't freak out about social distancing...). So I'll be back in a bit.
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On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy?  Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get.
Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see.
I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk.
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On April 29 2020 13:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:
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He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where). The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what. I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy? Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll bite. Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason? I'd think that it's because he made a weakly -reasoned townread on me, and was over-defensive of this read when Kurumi asked about it. I don't really know what to think about what he said about Kurumi; on one hand I agree that Kurumi felt weird around that time, but I don't think it was for the reason that raynpelikoneet mentioned.
My two cents, anyway.
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@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.
And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.
Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?
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On April 29 2020 13:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don’t like a couple of slam posts so far. He’s on my scummy list. Care to explain which ones?
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On April 29 2020 14:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 13:47 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 13:41 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 13:28 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi Trfel can we be friends this game? Hopefully, that's kinda on you though On April 29 2020 07:26 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here. On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:
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I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long. I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now. Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining! So why were you asking me about how I'm going to play this game, exactly? Because your post didn't make sense to me. Claiming you planned on doing a lot of meta reads doesn't make sense if you're unfamiliar with many/most of the players in the game, which I thought you were. Therefore, I was asking to try and learn more about what you meant by that. It makes more sense now that you said you were just faking confidence. It just feels a bit weird for me for town to come into the thread right at the start of day 1 and say "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy," especially if they don't know everyone. But it makes more sense now that you've clarified it. On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? On April 29 2020 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:
[...]
-asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta
-now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
[...] See these are not "only asking questions" things. Regardless of that, i really liked his thought process on your "meta shenanigans" post. I am waiting to see what kind of meta reads you will cook up. You haven't played in what... three years? I also heavily dislike your approach towards me, because you seem to be thinking Trfel is not doing anything but asking useless questions, and i am not (before this) giving you pretty much anything on that front except for support on him for "no apparent reason". Why are you talking to me like there is nothing wrong in my behavior? Fishing for how I'm committed to the game is not something I'm going to write up as "Town" in my book. Especially when someone declares that they're going to be less than committed. And as I've stated already in agreement to Vivax, me going for meta reads might not be the best course of action. I am talking to you "like there is nothing wrong in your behaviour" because it is still early in the game and you might be going off one thing, like you've admitted. I also read your first post after "hi" as combative and wanted to know whether it is light-hearted or not, but you didn't acknowledge me asking about it. Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. On April 29 2020 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To be more clear; Is it normal for a guy who is mafia to say "hey i am gonna lurk and only be around mostly at time X", then question people and follow that up with ANYTHING?
Now i am not saying this CANT be mafia, but like... I think i tried slowwwwwwly try to get Kurumi off that thing in case he genuinely thought that was mafia behavior (in general i mean). I guess no luck, and i think that smells. Oh come on Ray, what kind of reasoning is this? If anything, we should be concerned that someone that has shown less interest in the game changes their behaviour so fast. If that's the whole picture, that is. Although I agree with you about Trfel's opening, it will only be proven if he in fact acts lazy and uses his opening as a cop-out. If he is mafia, he could be using that excuse right out of the bat and simply not play. Trfel usually asks lots of questions as town, forcing people to contribute to the thread. That's townie from him. But I'll let him explain himself. Actually, @Trfel, one question: why do you believe you'll be lazy in this game? Are you uninterested? I'm slightly demotivated/a little tired of mafia, yes. I wouldn't have played if there was another person who signed up for the 12th slot. I was serious about being just as happy to not play as to play. However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. So you plan to not be lazy? Also, what do you think of the reactions so far? I dunno. You get what you get. Honestly I'm kinda confused, I'm just in a place where I'm trying to get more information and hoping something comes of it. Lemme reread the thread and see. I'll be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. I'll bite. Assume I wanted to vote for rayn right now, what do you think would be the reason? I'd think that it's because he made a weakly -reasoned townread on me, and was over-defensive of this read when Kurumi asked about it. I don't really know what to think about what he said about Kurumi; on one hand I agree that Kurumi felt weird around that time, but I don't think it was for the reason that raynpelikoneet mentioned. My two cents, anyway. Reads to me like you would prefer me to scumread rayn citing reasons for that, while thinking that Kurumi should look scummy but being afraid of saying so. How was rayn in the defensive in that exchange? I read it as exactly the opposite. I'm sorry, I don't understand the first sentence. You're saying that I want you to scumread raynpelikoneet and am afraid of being suspicious of Kurumi? First, I'm not afraid of being suspicious of Kurumi, see my latest post. And second, I don't want you to scumread raynpelikoneet, I don't particularly care what you do at this point in the game (except how it pertains to discerning your alignment). But you asked why you would be suspicious of raynpelikoneet so I was giving reasosn why.
And I don't mean that raynpelikoneet was being defensive of himself, he was being defensive of me. I was going to go link posts that featured this but to be honest it's most of raynpelikoneet's filter, they really aren't hard to find.
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On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it 
No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused.
I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread.
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On April 30 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do. Really, I thought you were the other person who didn't understand it? Since you said you don't remember the reasons used last game?
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On April 30 2020 07:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote
##Vote rayn Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused. I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread. In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game. And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable. It seems convoluted because it is. I see, thanks. With this and Jockmcplop's page 8 post I think I understand now. Though to me it sounds a little like "raynpelikoneet expected me to call him mafia for catching mafia super fast" which seems a bit funny
I don't really buy it, I don't have much of a read on raynpelikoneet yet, I know he's very capable as mafia. If he is mafia I'm sure there will be reasons not related to convoluted meta.
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On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything? I don't agree with it, no. But I think I understand it. Even if I think it's really silly.
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On April 30 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote:Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out: Show nested quote +Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. This is a stretch. I didn't post that because of anything related to you, I posted it because I wanted to post it.
On April 30 2020 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 08:22 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything? I don't agree with it, no. But I think I understand it. Even if I think it's really silly. explain please then. Apparently, last game, I was an easy lynch target at the start of the game (fair enough I suppose, I tend to be). Jockmcplop (mafia) went after me, and the way he did so had some flaws so Vivax (town) was able to push him and lynch him.
In this game, I made an excuse so that's easy for mafia to jump on. Kurumi went after it, and Vivax sees you jumping on him as the same thing.
It kinda makes sense? Except that it's not scummy for you to push something at the start of the game, especially when the reason for suspecting it is successful meta. And it's not true that "meta" makes it unable to pressure you for the push.
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On April 30 2020 09:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 09:21 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote:Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good. On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out: Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. This is a stretch. I didn't post that because of anything related to you, I posted it because I wanted to post it.
On April 30 2020 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 30 2020 08:22 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything? I don't agree with it, no. But I think I understand it. Even if I think it's really silly. explain please then. Apparently, last game, I was an easy lynch target at the start of the game (fair enough I suppose, I tend to be). Jockmcplop (mafia) went after me, and the way he did so had some flaws so Vivax (town) was able to push him and lynch him. In this game, I made an excuse so that's easy for mafia to jump on. Kurumi went after it, and Vivax sees you jumping on him as the same thing. It kinda makes sense? Except that it's not scummy for you to push something at the start of the game, especially when the reason for suspecting it is successful meta. And it's not true that "meta" makes it unable to pressure you for the push. Well, you forgot the 'he's going to call me mafia for this' part. Which now I think he claims is something he said because I do it every game, not because of something he posted. Though I'd like confirmation on this because rayn didn't really confirm if that's how it went. Dunno, maybe I actually had a stroke of genius when making that post, but looking back at it, I worded it badly. I did expect rayn to be trying to do some kind of reverse mind trick when saying I was going to call him mafia. Similar to his 'scumslip' in holy guardians where afterwards he acted like he did it on purpose. Did you expect that from raynpelikoneet regardless of alignment? Or what makes this alignment indicative, especially given that he was town that game with the "scumslip," no?
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Alakaslam, can you explain why you are suspicious of me?
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