EPTI just want people to be treated equally, that failed with geript and the shit he got some time ago, now it's on me, and i will not let go.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I just want people to be treated equally, that failed with geript and the shit he got some time ago, now it's on me, and i will not let go. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On November 18 2015 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have nothing against you Blazinghand, or anyone else in that matter. I just want people to be treated equally, that failed with geript and the shit he got some time ago, now it's on me, and i will not let go. Rels did not call for a ban for me based on my activity in Vanilla Mafia. You can discuss this in PMs, or not at all. Them's the rules. One of the rules of the ban list is that the hosts get to run their games and call for bans mostly on their discretion. This is a feature, not a bug. From the OP: If you are not a host or cohost, please do not request bans for anyone without PMing me first. If you are a host requesting bans, PM me to let me know you've requested bans so I don't neglect to notice for a week or something. If I tell you to stop discussing a topic in a ban discussion, you drop it. I don't care what your opinion on the relevance of the subject is, you drop it. Similarly, if I tell you to stop spamming the ban list thread, you stop. This is hallowed ground gentlemen and ladies, you will not flame you will not shit post and you will not misbehave. TL Bans *will* result if necessary. Rels did not request a ban for me. If you want, you can PM him and Foolishness (Since Fool will stand in for me as mediating this issue) about this and see if something can be worked out, if you really think that's appropriate. The topic of my play in Vanilla Mafia is now closed in this thread. Talk to Foolishness and Rels if you want. Stop discussing this in this thread until they give the go-ahead. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
EDIT: fair enough. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Can i seek bans from former games if i feel like people have acted banworthy? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Was it really necessary to bait the host into a modkill to prove your point? You mentioned that you don't deserve to be treated this way, but frankly the eight of us didn't deserve you deciding to abandon the game for the sake of pulling this stunt. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 18 2015 11:31 kitaman27 wrote: So why not just post in the ban thread that you had a problem with blazinghand's post and you felt that people weren't being held to the same standards? Was it really necessary to bait the host into a modkill to prove your point? You mentioned that you don't deserve to be treated this way, but frankly the eight of us didn't deserve you deciding to abandon the game for the sake of pulling this stunt. because i don't actually have a problem with his post. noone had a problem with his post. but when i post the same thing, suddenly everyone has a problem with the post. that's MY problem. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
i couldn't care less what anyone else thinks, i proved a point to myself at least. A point that i have been wondering since the beginning i started playing here. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Rayn, you had been warned for behavior once this game. You then decided to pull up a post from a different game, with differen't hosts, that you feel was not appropriet and post it in the resistance game. That is clearly showing that you are disregarding the hosts warning/rules and posted something you knew to not be ok. That is what you are getting a ban for. If you had an issue with BH's post, why did you not bring it up at the conclusion of that game? Why does it only become an issue when your behavior is brought up from this game? It is up to each host to moderate their own game, if you have issues with the way Rels' game was run thatsfine, you are entitled to your opinion, and have every right to question if that was appropriet. Whatis not ok is to bring that drama into another game, and use it as an excuse for your own behavior. You were warned, and continued to carry on regardless. That is ban worhy. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now for the rest of the game i am going to call HtS bad and make her feel bad. I can understand that you may feel frustrated when held to a double standard, but at the same time, is something like this really necessary? Regardless of what may or may not be ban worthy, it really isn't very nice  99% of the time you're perfectly fine to play with, but every once and a while things get at bit emotional and it can be possible to lose sight of the fact that in the end we're all just playing for fun. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 18 2015 11:51 kitaman27 wrote: I can understand that you may feel frustrated when held to a double standard, but at the same time, is something like this really necessary? Regardless of what may or may not be ban worthy, it really isn't very nice No, i agree it's not. I just can't stand people bringing up maybe my two best games ever (regardless of if i get lynched in them or not) and call me bad for it. Especially when the said person clearly showed they can't even read the thread they are playing a game in properly, for multiple times. Yes, i get personally offended by that, and yes, my response will always be sort of "fuck you" in a way or another. 99% of the time you're perfectly fine to play with, but every once and a while things get at bit emotional and it can be possible to lose sight of the fact that in the end we're all just playing for fun. I know that aswell. Like you know i call people bad and shit all the time, other people do aswell. But just because my play is aggressive it doesn't mean i am more mean or toxic than other people. Yes, i get alot of shit in games for wanting to lynch people and pushing them, with REASONABLE (or at least gameplay-wise "normal") reasons. I don't care about the shit i get, but if people are allowed to say that shit to me, like "go suck dick" or "don't take this online behavior to real life. you don't know who has nothing to lose", why is that treated like "there is nothing to see here"? + Show Spoiler + EDIT: note that in either of those situations i brought up didn't say anything "toxic", i just wanted to lynch people. I don't get the fact that "rayn can be treated however you want to -- you can say what the fuck do you want to him, because he doesn't take that personally" but when i say something, there is always a huge fucking problem. Why? I want to know why. Same applies to some other people aswell, and i despise the people treating me and certain other people like that. If you are enforcing some rules, keep the rules same for everyone. rn that is just a laughable thing to even entertain that's what is happening... | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Context is key. Blazinghand had the exact word that I had in my mind when I first read rayn's statements. The problem is that he had festered such a bad environment that from a gameplay standpoint it was nearly impossible for town to work together, from a non-gameplay standpoint some players would potentially find it disincentivising to play the game. To be quite frank, I was galvanised by the modkill, which is typically the opposite of what normally happens in most cases. From a moderation standpoint, he's already been warned for something and he felt it necessary to say that, regardless of intent, regardless of whom it was directed at and without consideration for the other players in the game. The issue that is concerning for rayn - and for the community - is his overall behaviour not just in Resistance, but in a string of games leading up to this point. His behaviour has been called out (one example here) and/or directly warned but in recent times or at least not since Russia Today he's never gotten to the point of getting modkilled for behaviour until this game, and whilst his gameplay (translation: quality of reads/scumhunting/mafia play) in of itself is not the problem, the bigger problem is how he channels disagreement and/or emotion towards his fellow players, and with players cited leaving the community getting worn down by such an environment is something that in general needs to be addressed. (The moderators actually discussed it in the host QT in Drams.) To be fair, he's not, and hasn't been, the only one guilty of this, but in recent times he's been in the middle if not the direct/indirect cause of such an environment, and this wasn't terribly different in Resistance. In general, once the behaviour goes beyond general alignment indicative strategy (translation: townies pushing people, mafia trying to run disruption or shit up the thread or start arguments) into personal attacks, it's more than ripe for a warning or whatever a host deems necessary. Personally rayn's statements towards me didn't bother me as much as he inferred it did (in the game), however with a recent history of his behaviour towards players in SOTW, Drams, etc - and seeing his effect on other players - it was only a matter of time before he either gets modkilled or continues to wear other players down. The reason people issue punishment is to deter situations like this and situations where the community can be disinclined to play. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Don't try to paint things something they are not. EDIT: Context is key. Blazinghand had the exact word that I had in my mind when I first read rayn's statements. And if you want to talk about context in this situation, you should know that you YOURSELF told people to NOT discuss the said matter (i quoted BH in) further, because the person in question WOULD TOTALLY take those sorta posts as offensive. Are you really arguing MY case is MORE offensive in context??!?!? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Let's hear it, quote the post, in context please. You could also tell me which people have left the community because of me? And give me the host QT of Drams please. So i can answer your accusations that at this point have no validity. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 18 2015 13:26 Coagulation wrote: Where's Robik when you need him im 100% with banning rayn as much as possible for the lulz. Side note, it seems that mafia games have been a little less frequent recently, making it harder to sit out games to fulfill a ban. I think that it could be a good idea to reduce the magnitude of bans slightly to compensate? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Im serious + Show Spoiler + not really sort of | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
We are getting to harsh. What I have read of rayn was it bad, sure, was it ban worthy I dont think so. Behavior bans should be only given out to people like robik. Rayn you knew you were pushing the limit. And the fact that you knew you were is kinda fucked up. F word dude. You gave 1 warning and then a modkill right. I dont think this is enough. First step is warning in thread, second step is a PM to try to calm things down. Then a modkill with maybe even another warning. The post you banned for wasnt ban worthy imo. First off that post isnt something you would warn for. The only reason it is bad was because he was warned already. But that doesn't matter. The post you banned him for wasnt out of line in language at all. I think we are going to far in banning people. Yes this is coming from the guy who banned koshi. But he was warned in thread 2 times and in PM's 2 times before I banned him. If you PM'd rayn when he made that post you banned him for and was like. Rayn you are pushing me and you know you are pushing me. I like you but you need to chill out or I will modkill you and go for a ban. And when I go for a ban you have previous bans your ban will be very long. This is your final warning, I wont let you test my authority anymore. If you go back into the thread with anything that could be considered warnable will result in your immediate modkill and ban. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 18 2015 15:17 Onegu wrote: My 2 cents. We are getting to harsh. What I have read of rayn was it bad, sure, was it ban worthy I dont think so. Behavior bans should be only given out to people like robik. Rayn you knew you were pushing the limit. And the fact that you knew you were is kinda fucked up. F word dude. You gave 1 warning and then a modkill right. I dont think this is enough. First step is warning in thread, second step is a PM to try to calm things down. Then a modkill with maybe even another warning. The post you banned for wasnt ban worthy imo. First off that post isnt something you would warn for. The only reason it is bad was because he was warned already. But that doesn't matter. The post you banned him for wasnt out of line in language at all. I think we are going to far in banning people. Yes this is coming from the guy who banned koshi. But he was warned in thread 2 times and in PM's 2 times before I banned him. If you PM'd rayn when he made that post you banned him for and was like. Rayn you are pushing me and you know you are pushing me. I like you but you need to chill out or I will modkill you and go for a ban. And when I go for a ban you have previous bans your ban will be very long. This is your final warning, I wont let you test my authority anymore. If you go back into the thread with anything that could be considered warnable will result in your immediate modkill and ban. Giving out another warning was definitely something that we discussed. I also tend to agree that by itself that post wasn't ban worthy. What is the issue for me is that rayn had been warned already about his attitude towards his fellow players. He then went out to find a post he knew would be considered inflammatory and posted it to see what would happen. This shows a clear disregard for the host's rules and previous warning. With both Fidei and myself being new to hosting, Fidei decided to seek out BH's advice as to what would be appropriate. I'm not sure if I would have made the same call, but I 100% support Fidei's decision here. On November 18 2015 14:37 sicklucker wrote: Requesting a 19 game ban for coagulation for giving 0 effort in a game he agreed to replace into Im serious + Show Spoiler + not really sort of Honestly SL your attitude towards Coag was pretty toxic this game as well. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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