TL Mafia Ban List 3.0

sicklucker took offense that the last scum, a newbie player, was not conceding the game. He raised his concerns with hosts, alleging bad manner on the part of the scum player for dragging out the game. This was internally deemed not to be the case, as last scum could plausibly try to play for a mistake by town. sicklucker was instructed/warned to continue to play with civility, and urged to keep his anger in check.

Instead, he disregarded host instructions, and took it upon himself to PM the last scum player to try to compel him into conceding, which he did. If sicklucker’s actions had come to light before the concession effectively ended the game, he would certainly have been modkilled.

Notwithstanding sicklucker's view that the other player was wasting time and being BM (not true), or that it was the vote count rather than his PMs that forced the concession (irrelevant), breaking the no-PM rules is absolutely unacceptable.

Also (note: not a playstyle complaint), his hostile D5 behavior of constantly hounding the newbie about this so-called BM cannot be condoned in the context of a newbie game, where newbies should be afforded the time and opportunity to learn, and forum regulars are urged to "act appropriately to introduce [newbies] to TL Mafia."

edit (addition): Furthermore, sicklucker also engaged in out-of-game communication with a coach in the game.
(Incorrectly) assuming that Half the Sky was coaching scum, he told HtS whilst playing dota to "tell my mafia scumlet to concede." In doing so, he confirmed his alignment to a coach who was, in fact, coaching two other town players involved in the endgame scenario. Again, regardless of the fact that the coach very likely sees the same solution for the game as he does, it is absolutely impermissible to mention game-relevant information outside of an ongoing game that you are in.

Scott would certainly have been modkilled if not for being lynched. The valid reason behind this is that his internet went down on Friday, with service was not restored until late Saturday, after the lynch. Hence, there is no outright ban requested.

However, we feel that he could have done more to find wifi or other access somewhere in order to update the hosts and other players on his situation. Allowing for school/work/social obligations on Friday, he still had a good part of Saturday left with which he could have done so; he admitted as much himself in obs. Either a brief update/excuse post in the game thread or a PM to request to be replaced would have sufficed. Letting himself be lynched/modkilled as mafia RB on D1 had a large impact on the game and his teammates suffered for it.

Events
1 GlowingBear is controversially lynched (2300 BST) whilst he's afk, apparently at university IRL. He flips detective.
2 About 2 hours post-lynch (0100 BST), GB posts in observer QT (comment 75) freaking out as to why town lynched him.
3 Almost three hours after he posts in Observer QT, and 5 hours after lynch (0400 BST), he posts the following post that is in contention here.



4 Fecalfeast (my cohost) tells him shortly after why his comment is quite problematic.

I was asleep at the time this all happened, but Fecalfeast relayed this to me.

That said my case for a ban is as follows:
1 There was alignment indicative information in his farewell post. Farewell posts should not contain such information. The comment alludes to his reads on the people who voted him down, and whether accurate or not, will affect how people think.
2 He was detective, a role that gathered more perfect information than most townies have, thus his flip and what he said was much more likely to influence how people thought.
3 GlowingBear is a veteran. I would have been inclined to let a newbie slide in a newbie game, but as a veteran, he should have known better.
4 Had GB been present and posted that information in a close call vote after deadline and before the flip and NOT been the lynch, his post per my rules (under Time Cycle) would have resulted in a modkill.
5 He posted in Observer QT well before he posted farewell in the thread. We felt this was unacceptable, especially given #1.

I researched the Ban List 2.0 and looked into how others have looked at similar situations in the past and felt a ban was appropriate. That said, I feel this is firm enough, but fair.

All events happened Night 1.
- Facing pressure from 3 players, LS announces in frustration publically in the thread he wants to replace out. Though he did cite a real life reason to the moderators, it was not the original reason cited.
- The comments to ritoky were following inquiries to both Fecalfeast and myself as to whether ritoky and Breshke could play against their win conditions. (Obviously neither of us could and did answer that question as we'd modconfirm those players.)
- Despite this, he asks ritoky whether he is playing against his win condition. (Naturally ritoky asks him if he's fishing for modkills.)
- LS responds that he's done and asks to replace out after spewing the thread.

TLDR: I think a lot of this is more ignorance and frustration rather than disruption of the rules, but it was also disruptive enough to the rest of the game. I feel he's been around long enough he should also know better. This is why I would prefer a warning.

sicklucker took offense that the last scum, a newbie player, was not conceding the game. He raised his concerns with hosts, alleging bad manner on the part of the scum player for dragging out the game. This was internally deemed not to be the case, as last scum could plausibly try to play for a mistake by town. sicklucker was instructed/warned to continue to play with civility, and urged to keep his anger in check.

Instead, he disregarded host instructions, and took it upon himself to PM the last scum player to try to compel him into conceding, which he did. If sicklucker’s actions had come to light before the concession effectively ended the game, he would certainly have been modkilled.

Notwithstanding sicklucker's view that the other player was wasting time and being BM (not true), or that it was the vote count rather than his PMs that forced the concession (irrelevant), breaking the no-PM rules is absolutely unacceptable.

Also (note: not a playstyle complaint), his hostile D5 behavior of constantly hounding the newbie about this so-called BM cannot be condoned in the context of a newbie game, where newbies should be afforded the time and opportunity to learn, and forum regulars are urged to "act appropriately to introduce [newbies] to TL Mafia."

edit (addition): Furthermore, sicklucker also engaged in out-of-game communication with a coach in the game.
(Incorrectly) assuming that Half the Sky was coaching scum, he told HtS whilst playing dota to "tell my mafia scumlet to concede." In doing so, he confirmed his alignment to a coach who was, in fact, coaching two other town players involved in the endgame scenario. Again, regardless of the fact that the coach very likely sees the same solution for the game as he does, it is absolutely impermissible to mention game-relevant information outside of an ongoing game that you are in.

Scott would certainly have been modkilled if not for being lynched. The valid reason behind this is that his internet went down on Friday, with service was not restored until late Saturday, after the lynch. Hence, there is no outright ban requested.

However, we feel that he could have done more to find wifi or other access somewhere in order to update the hosts and other players on his situation. Allowing for school/work/social obligations on Friday, he still had a good part of Saturday left with which he could have done so; he admitted as much himself in obs. Either a brief update/excuse post in the game thread or a PM to request to be replaced would have sufficed. Letting himself be lynched/modkilled as mafia RB on D1 had a large impact on the game and his teammates suffered for it.