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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Way too much cop hate imo. Basically only a 33% chance of catching scum, anf after lynching the goon that drops to 0% if they keep framing theirselves. I know HF did that similarly in XXX but still I agree with Artanis, it was my first impression when I saw the spreadsheet. Just saying. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
I think mafia could've guess that the cop was either Chezinu or Artanis. Chez for his "troll green" and Artanis for his odd out of the blue post defending Trfel. That said, props to Artanis for green checking Trfel and still considering him for a lynch enough because of his play instead of just playing "follow the checks." Mafia seemed to struggle to find the will to play which is a bit understandable considering the town team. That said, there are a few take aways to consider for future games. First off: This post by Trfel was pretty bad imo. Specifically: On August 11 2015 14:28 Trfel wrote: The part I find interesting is that you know that I've made early reads on rsoultin before (for example, Guardians of the Galaxy), and that you discount rsoultin's reason for disliking my read on her. But you don't like my read because it lacks hesitance, while not agreeing with rsoultin's reason for disliking my read (that it was too confident)? Please explain. How he's addressing Damdred is pretty odd. By this I mean, the argument he's making here is: You're discounting Rsoultin's reasons for finding me scummy. Who as town makes this post? He's saying, "Hey look, she's got a good reason to call me scummy, why are you discounting it?" I'd consider this an actual scumslip; it's one that I have I think I've only seen once before where in LX I think it was that Promethelax made a similar post which Dr.Helvetica picked up on. The reason it isn't towny IMO is because he's in essence saying "That's a good reason to scumread me" instead of something like "It's an logical (albeit wrong) read that makes her look towny." That said, when Trfel came back later on to defend his Rsoultin read he looked super fucking towny. Overall, this game highlights the problems that can occur when mafia lack thread pull. They get little to no say in who gets lynched and have to decide to either bus (if mafia is on the chopping block) or push mediocre wagons (thus outing themselves). If town hadn't (for the most part) been able to distinguish themselves as town, then mafia might have been able to pull out a W; but since they weren't able to slide above lowest on the chopping block they just sort of got punished. I can't find the post (maybe it was in Shadow QT), but Artanis made a really fucking good post on Rsoultin. In effect it said: "When prolific posters are mafia, in general they tend to still post a bunch but they tend to talk about very little. That's basically a summary of what Rsoultin has been doing this game." It's a really good point and it's something that IMO both Rayn and Damdred should've picked up on as that's specific heuristic I've explained to both of them (IIRC) for how I read her. So Tina, it's something that if you end up playing scum later on, it's something you should work on because you tend to post as prolifically as normal, but the content of what you say is significantly diminished. ruXxar I think you need to find a way to be more productive. Like you can come across as super towny with as aggressive and such as you can be, but 95% of what you do/talk about ends up leading no where and being useless. I find it a bit funny because you seem to pick up on good targets (when you're town) but for pretty poor reasoning. It reminds me of a player named Batmouse I've played with on another forum. Rayn. I think you're a good player. I think you need to find a way to be a bit more nice. I know that english isn't your first language and that sometimes that fact gets in the way of explaining your reads properly. But you have a tendency to, when you get made, both turn other players off and make other players play worse. Damdred. One thing I've noticed that might help you is that when you get flustered (as town) due to pressure or people being a jerk; then you seem to struggle with thinking through your reads logically. IDK what you can do to help this. Vivax had a really, really strong post here. You need to post more analysis like this instead of going off into illogical lalaland that you do often as town. IMO, you can hard carry as town but in my experience you tend to focus on things that don't make people any specific alignment. If I missed talking about people, then idk. That's what I remember reading from the game. Setup wise, it was a bit interesting to me (especially on N1) since the "power players" (Rayn, Artanis, Palmer and Damdred) didn't get to vote for the Storm Vote. It literally only passed by 1 vote because Chez voted Artanis. In hindsight, I think I should've had the Wanderer's be millers in this game. That I think would make Cop unreliable enough that Cop/Martyr/Vigi would be reasonably balanced. I really like the Storm Vote mechanic and after thinking about it a bit, I don't think (even if the Storm Vote hadn't gone off on N1) that it could confirm anyone as town. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Way too much cop hate imo. Basically only a 33% chance of catching scum, anf after lynching the goon that drops to 0% if they keep framing theirselves. Ah well. Checked the GF, lynched him anyway. I'm satisfied. Yes, but Cop/Vigi is really, really strong for town. Framer always has very low odds of hitting the cop check; mainly because you have to have a read on the cop and who they'll check. Actual frames are very rare. Since town got a Martyr as well (which is balanced "medic" role imo for minis), it's hard to say cop was underpowered. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:36 geript wrote: Yes, but Cop/Vigi is really, really strong for town. Framer always has very low odds of hitting the cop check; mainly because you have to have a read on the cop and who they'll check. Actual frames are very rare. Since town got a Martyr as well (which is balanced "medic" role imo for minis), it's hard to say cop was underpowered. But it doesn't matter because with a godfather/framer alive (and framer frames their own mafia players 99% of the time) I will never check mafia. It makes all my checks 100% unreliable which is really not strong at all. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:34 geript wrote: I can't find the post (maybe it was in Shadow QT), but Artanis made a really fucking good post on Rsoultin. In effect it said: "When prolific posters are mafia, in general they tend to still post a bunch but they tend to talk about very little. That's basically a summary of what Rsoultin has been doing this game." It's a really good point and it's something that IMO both Rayn and Damdred should've picked up on as that's specific heuristic I've explained to both of them (IIRC) for how I read her. So Tina, it's something that if you end up playing scum later on, it's something you should work on because you tend to post as prolifically as normal, but the content of what you say is significantly diminished. What are you talking about? That's like all i was talking about after D2? Rayn. I think you're a good player. I think you need to find a way to be a bit more nice. I know that english isn't your first language and that sometimes that fact gets in the way of explaining your reads properly. But you have a tendency to, when you get made, both turn other players off and make other players play worse. I know but i can't deal with stupid. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
gj mate! ^^ | ||
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Chezinu
United States7457 Posts
geript analysis of Chez: N/A geript pre-game rating of Chez: bias | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
hey scum, the next time you should probably ask if the hurricane kills pierce. I kinda fucked up on D1. Reading the OP is a useful talent toi have. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7457 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: The train never lies. gj mate! ^^ Thanks for listen to my cries. Now we can be friends now cause we both lived as town together! | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh lol you had a green on Trfel. Thanks for trusting my case. ^_^ hey scum, the next time you should probably ask if the hurricane kills pierce. I kinda fucked up on D1. Reading the OP is a useful talent toi have. That's why I put so much stock on that hopeless thing. That was basically the weight I gave my green check ^^ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:56 Chezinu wrote: Thanks for listen to my cries. Now we can be friends now cause we both lived as town together! haha yeah. well it made you obvious town. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7457 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh lol you had a green on Trfel. Thanks for trusting my case. ^_^ hey scum, the next time you should probably ask if the hurricane kills pierce. I kinda fucked up on D1. Reading the OP is a useful talent toi have. I know I got a green on Trfel, thanks for trusting the Chezinu Rule despite being a nonbeliever. + Show Spoiler + compliment hijacked. At least I'm good at finding blues.. lol. I agreed with obs, ruxxar is an exception... first time playing with him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Well tbh geript its just something I have to deal with I just don't like being called stupid or jabs being thrown my way especially people who are town reading me. I generally try to keep my cool and I don't really want to talk about it further on here sorry I lost my temper it won't happen again. gg | ||
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Trfel
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
palmar <3 i have to say...it felt like you were starting a rivalry with me xP which was kinda fun ^^ also >> hts' sig made me smile eh, geript...i dunnae. i've been working on it and it's hard to say what it would have looked like if i wasn't playing such a shit game in general. i'm aware of the issue, though lol >< | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: What are you talking about? That's like all i was talking about after D2? This was just my perspective as a host; not playing the game I'll have a different viewpoint (correct or not). The suspicion on Rsoultin was for other good reasons and that one which IMO was the strongest seemed more glossed over. TBH too, this was aimed more at Damdred than at you. Also, as for hating to deal with stupid, you sure do deal with my ass a bunch. I figured I'd have given you some sort of immunity to it by now  | ||
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