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On July 23 2015 00:39 disformation wrote: Eh, lemme waffle about this a bit today. But /in newb Waffleboy hype. To clarify: yes, this is supposed to be an proper /in. On July 23 2015 00:51 Rels wrote: Wow this looks more and more like my first game. And I'm loving it (= Yeah, was not sure if I should join this, but the playerlist looks really good.  | ||
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On July 19 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: Newbie Student Mafia XII LightningStrike I know it is hard. But being stuck in the past won't help you get over these issues. It won't help you moving forwards. Sometimes you just gotta move on, sometimes you just have to let it go. + Show Spoiler + If someone starts singing "let it go" I know who to lynch D1. | ||
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On July 24 2015 04:48 LightningStrike wrote: Fixed thank you for catching it I thought I had taken care of it whoops. np  On July 24 2015 04:53 n00bKing wrote: The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, not a footprint to be seen... On July 24 2015 04:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: The cold never bothered me anyway... Had to actually google up the lyrics of that "song" to make sure both lines are actually in the song. Noted gentlemen, noted. | ||
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On July 24 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote: Damn you all for getting the Frozen songs stuck in my head. >_< ##vote disformation ....since he started it. I thought the nooses were for the first time players.  On July 24 2015 05:42 Barakos wrote: of course... you "had to google it" sure. :D I just don't get all the frozen-hate... just... let it go! :D Damn you got me. I actually have the whole song tattooed onto my right arm. + Show Spoiler + not | ||
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Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs* But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote: I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play: Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it. He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen. Well while I agree in general. At the start of D1 there is literally nothing to talk about. So D1 usually starts with a "bullshitting" phase, where everyone posts poems or youtube videos or stuff. So yeah, people spaming up the thread on later days can be a very good indicator of being scum, but on the start of D1 it is kinda harmless imo. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote: It's not that I'm improving as a player, but that I gain familiarity with the players. In a mafia game of strangers you are but a lonely island. In company of friends, you feel at home. Eh, I'd say it is a bit of both. I like to learn from mistakes. But on the other hand it really feels nice that after only playing 2 games, shadowing in 3 games and reading a few old games I "know" 8/13 players in this game. Also if you are able to keep this style up all game I will be super impressed. =D | ||
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Eh, I like this style/tone a lot more than the one he had in his two previous games. | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:13 n00bKing wrote: Meaning Himalayas and Gaiden, where he was scum? I didn't play in either of those games. How would you summarize his style/tone in them? Yes, I was shadowing a town player (Onegu in Himalayas and Half the Sky in Gaiden). Both games were pretty long, ruxXar's filters are 13 and 25 pages respectively so it is not that easy to summarize. But what I can remember: while he is good at marking arguments and sounding logically his posts often sound preachy. I also remember disliking a bunch of his posts in Himalayas because he was pretty aggressive/pushy with them. Will possibly reread his filters from both games at a later stage of this game. | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote: Then I will be honored to be in your company. Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote: Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum. Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed. Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours: I am town. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself. You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered. My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole. Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote: There is only a threat if you perceive there to be one. If your soul is pure you have nothing to fear. My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story. In a moment of weakness and misjudgement I bound myself to the thought that Losing HF was disastrous.. In the process I lost my genuineness that innocent and honest town spirit, on the warpath to lynch scum. My motivations were laid bare and my association with HF made obvious as remarked by fidei in the obs qt. It's a miracle that we won, and by no effort of my own. If there is one lesson you need to learn if you want to be town read it's to stick to your convictions. The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor. Yeah, I was having trouble with that as town especially in the last game I was playing. I tend to waffle around a bit and I really dislike last minute shenanies and stuff. Makes me nervous and do bad decisions. Ticktock can attest to that. xD On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote: False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/ Had to reread the first few posts after D1 start. Yep they posted something. Still their posts were super forgettable (especially rayn). So they could have posted nothing as well. *shrugs* Also you will find me to be a pretty honest guy. | ||
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On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... Yeah very much so. On July 24 2015 09:10 Barakos wrote: Anybody, who has read even the tiniest bit of NSM X can attest to that. :p =D But I am soo glad town was able to still win NSM X. I would have hated me so much otherwise. I hope I will do better this game. Let us see what I have learned from shadowing three players. Apparently I haven't learned how to count. xD | ||
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Where I currently stand: Breshke: Asking questions. Let us see what he does when he gets answers. NocturneMage: Seems like an eager player trying to figure out how forum mafia works. Seems curious/inquisitive. town lean. ruxXar: Basically opened up the thread with stuff to talk about. A lot of null stuff. Slight town as result. n00bKing: did a few things for town cred. Unfortunately both(*) were super easy for mafia to do, too. So null. barakos: hmmm... lets call it null for now. Want to see more from him. Damdred: Just read his strong entry (his 2nd post). Like the post. Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that. Town read as of now. (*): a) asking me about ruxxars previous games. b) pointing out that I am unable to count. PS: Also my 3rd game here. :D | ||
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I also super duper dislike MoosyDoosy's use of language here... | ||
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On July 24 2015 18:49 Barakos wrote: [...] What I want to point out is disformations behavior. He has several posts (see spoilers below), saying he has shadowed player X in that game and player Y in this game and will reread all those games to get a read on ruxxar because his tone is so completely different from the other games. But when I come into the thread with fluff (something I never did in NSM X, where he played with me for the entire game), he doesn't pick it up at all and sees no difference in my behavior, even though he claims to be looking for meta-hints and stuff like that. The only thing he did was putting me to null and saying he wants to see more of me. This inconsistency makes me put him in the scum-corner for now. + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2015 08:21 disformation wrote: Yes, I was shadowing a town player (Onegu in Himalayas and Half the Sky in Gaiden). Both games were pretty long, ruxXar's filters are 13 and 25 pages respectively so it is not that easy to summarize. But what I can remember: while he is good at marking arguments and sounding logically his posts often sound preachy. I also remember disliking a bunch of his posts in Himalayas because he was pretty aggressive/pushy with them. Will possibly reread his filters from both games at a later stage of this game. On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote: Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. On July 24 2015 10:15 disformation wrote: Going to bed. Hope I can sleep in this heat. -.- Where I currently stand: Breshke: Asking questions. Let us see what he does when he gets answers. NocturneMage: Seems like an eager player trying to figure out how forum mafia works. Seems curious/inquisitive. town lean. ruxXar: Basically opened up the thread with stuff to talk about. A lot of null stuff. Slight town as result. n00bKing: did a few things for town cred. Unfortunately both(*) were super easy for mafia to do, too. So null. barakos: hmmm... lets call it null for now. Want to see more from him. Damdred: Just read his strong entry (his 2nd post). Like the post. Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that. Town read as of now. (*): a) asking me about ruxxars previous games. b) pointing out that I am unable to count. PS: Also my 3rd game here. :D Okay, pointing out this inconsistency is fair enough. But I am quite confused as to why he gave me such a hard scumread for that... maybe to make sure I respond to this? Maybe he wanted to divert attention away from him, I think a few people called him scum just a page or two earlier? Anyway not a huge fan. Okay, why did I point out stuff with ruxXar and Damdred? Because I was sorta involved with them in two games each. I only "know" barakos from one game (NSM X). What do I remember barakos for from that game?
And that's it... I think barakos and me had not much interaction/conversation in that game. So I have trouble remembering him. Don't remember much of Rels either, since he was shot super early. Remember having a hard town read on Rels, that is it. I remember a lot of the people I had interactions with or that were alive very long (boxerfred/sicklucker/27ninjabunnies/ticktock) and I remember Sulfurus, because I had a super wrong scum read on him. I remember Breshke because I was about to post a mad case on him and claimed cop. Then I looked at my case and realized all the things that bugged me made a lot of sense if he was cop. Since I remember so little of barakos maybe I should follow Rels question: On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: Leaving to eat very soon. To the guy or girl reading this: If you are ruxxar, rayn, moosy or a host I asked you a question and would very much like an answer. If you played or read Newbie X, I would like to have your thoughts on Barakos' filter compared to Newbie X. And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage. And read Barakos filter from NSM X again. xD | ||
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On July 24 2015 19:41 Tictock wrote: Drew a few cards for some of ya. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your card and give me your impression of it. People chosen by some means. n00b - 4 of Wands - Completion + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r11PjXD.jpg) rayn - 4 of Cups - Luxury + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qO7Dl7J.jpg) Moosy - Knight of Swords + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zJ3K9fs.jpg) ruXx - Ace of Disks + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DvRucF0.jpg) Noc -7 of Wands - Valor + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RfKLrhn.jpg) Flex - Kight of Cups + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XdLx33Z.jpg) Hmmm... I know these cards have meanings. Do you have any interpretation of these? Can you link these interpretations to their posts so far? Can I has a card, too? + Show Spoiler + In before The Hanged Man (XII) | ||
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On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote: Useful list of useless people Sulfurus Ticktock If one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:50 ruXxar wrote: @Disformation: You had interaction with me in what game? Hm. Might have made my post a bit unclear. Might reformat. I was "sorta involved" in two games with you. (shadowed a player in two games) The one I was in a game with and probably didn't have much interaction with is barakos. | ||
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Someone posted some poetry in the beginning and asked for interpretations. I think barakos had a scum lean on me the entire game for my interpretation of that poem. xD Also FYI - who I currently not like: MoosyDoosy - mostly for his constant ad hom and super angry tone. barakos - not sure if I want to buy his reaction test and his resulting super constructed scum read on me. still in the realms of wrong town though. | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:46 disformation wrote: Okay, pointing out this inconsistency is fair enough. But I am quite confused as to why he gave me such a hard scumread for that... maybe to make sure I respond to this? Maybe he wanted to divert attention away from him, I think a few people called him scum just a page or two earlier? Anyway not a huge fan. Okay, why did I point out stuff with ruxXar and Damdred? Because I was sorta involved with them in two games each. I only "know" barakos from one game (NSM X). What do I remember barakos for from that game?
And that's it... I think barakos and me had not much interaction/conversation in that game. So I have trouble remembering him. Don't remember much of Rels either, since he was shot super early. Remember having a hard town read on Rels, that is it. I remember a lot of the people I had interactions with or that were alive very long (boxerfred/sicklucker/27ninjabunnies/ticktock) and I remember Sulfurus, because I had a super wrong scum read on him. I remember Breshke because I was about to post a mad case on him and claimed cop. Then I looked at my case and realized all the things that bugged me made a lot of sense if he was cop. Since I remember so little of barakos maybe I should follow Rels question: And read Barakos filter from NSM X again. xD Okay, reformating time, hope this is a bit clearer now: Okay, pointing out this inconsistency is fair enough. But I am quite confused as to why he gave me such a hard scumread for that... maybe to make sure I respond to this? Maybe he wanted to divert attention away from him, I think a few people called him scum just a page or two earlier? Anyway not a huge fan. Okay, why did I point out stuff with ruxXar and Damdred? Because I was sorta involved with them in two games each. I only "know" barakos from one game (NSM X). Why did I not mention a lot of the other players I "know"? Because I have less information on them imo. For example I was in only one game with barakos. What do I remember barakos for from that game?
And that's it... I think barakos and me had not much interaction/conversation in NSM X. So I have trouble remembering him. Don't remember much of Rels either, since he was shot super early. Remember having a hard town read on Rels, that is it. I remember a lot of the people I had interactions with or that were alive very long (boxerfred/sicklucker/27ninjabunnies/ticktock) and I remember Sulfurus, because I had a super wrong scum read on him. I remember Breshke because I was about to post a mad case on him but he claimed cop. Then I looked at my case and realized all the things that bugged me made a lot of sense if he was cop. Since I remember so little of barakos maybe I should follow Rels question: On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: Leaving to eat very soon. To the guy or girl reading this: If you are ruxxar, rayn, moosy or a host I asked you a question and would very much like an answer. If you played or read Newbie X, I would like to have your thoughts on Barakos' filter compared to Newbie X. And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage. And read Barakos filter from NSM X again. xD | ||
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Great I am super bad at reading inbetween lines. Also: On July 25 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone voting for Barakos when he is lying? also being scummy. Where is barakos lying? I feel like I missed something. Quite confused atm. =/ | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: His post was scummy because he is scum. You sound pretty confident/convinced. Let me look at his filter for a moment. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: you don't even need to. you jsut need to look at the fact he SHOULD expect a reaction from me to his "reaction test". Yet he talks nothing about me after i VOTE for him. Like this is pretty straightforward. Hmm. + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! Says he dislikes ruxXar's style this game, but won't judge based on this style. But dislikes me for liking ruxXar's style? Super town read on n00bKing for something easy to point out. Buddying? Rels calls him out on some scummy things. rayn puts his vote on him. barakos is like "Haha reaction test". Calls Rels town and picks me as scum. Hm... actually I think he is misrepresenting me. I never said I would be looking for meta hints in general. I said I would be using some games I was shadowing ppl in to look for meta hints on just ruxXar and Damdred. Never mentioned any other games or meta hints in general. He also calls out my waffling in NSM X. Maybe he sees me as an easy misslynch? Or as an easy distraction? His conclusion is that I am scum. Seems even like a pretty strong read. But he doesn't vote for me? Waiting to see if he can get this wagon going? Then he picks out some stuff from NocturneMage ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=13#259 ), who as a first timer could be an easy target as well, but doesn't even reach a conclusion. He likes the suspicion? On July 24 2015 19:03 Barakos wrote: [...]To me this looks like scum trying to find angles for a misslynch. So while I don't like your case that much, I like the suspicion about NocturneMage. Like is NocturneMage scum or not? Yeah... overall I get the impression of scum testing the waters and/or trying to get rid of unwanted attention. ##vote Barakos | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:24 Tictock wrote: Dis you need to roll something other than town, just for varieties sake. Still nice to see you out of the shadows ^.^ Since you asked... and yes Hanged Man would be ironic... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7ZBTZma.jpg) This card can be read either as a symbol of a new beginning or as a strong read into a persons character (strong because it is a powerful card). Some interesting lines I came across that describe the personality portrayed by the Princess of Disks a quiet, reserved person - sometimes shy can easily be a little too dependent from outside influences but nevertheless being unable to really adapt to others. practical and capable, though rarely seeking the limelight deals badly with conflict Thanks. The lines are kinda fitting. Especially the 1st,3rd and 4th. Not too sure about the 2nd. On July 25 2015 04:16 n00bKing wrote: [...] His filter from Newbie X was not short, but I also found his play in Newbie X to be completely unmemorable. He was one of only 2 players in that game that were basically null for me the entire way.[...] Well. Makes sense. I couldn't remember much from him either... | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay who? i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne. I second the question to Damdred. Rayn why exactly do you think ticktoc is scum? I think I can guess, but I'd rather have you type it out in like 1-2 sentences or something. | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: no sorry, he is calling someone mafia for the things someone he is sorta defending did. Thanks for answering. Have to reread that conversation TBH. xD On July 25 2015 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know i have a tendency to simplify things. I should have said he called me out (which i did in the first place but noone understood my point). Anyways the point stands. And i am pretty damn sure about this. + Barakos read of me is super strange/wonky. + Barakos stance on NocturneMage is super indecisive. + Barakos gives a lot of town credit to n00bKing for something that is done very easily. Adds up. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:23 n00bKing wrote: 1) What read do you mean? 2) I completely agree. 3) Come on, man. You mentioned earlier that Barakos might have been "buddying" with that comment. But he's not, it's obviously just a joke. He's not actually trying to give me town credit for knowing how to count. How could you think that? I've seen players try to buddy up to me before (or "pocket" me, as it seems to be called around here), and I'm definitely wary of it. But this is not an instance of that. For him to name me top town for knowing how to count is the same as if he named rayn top town for having the most letters in his screen name. Pay attention. 1) This one: On July 24 2015 18:49 Barakos wrote: [...]What I want to point out is disformations behavior. He has several posts (see spoilers below), saying he has shadowed player X in that game and player Y in this game and will reread all those games to get a read on ruxxar because his tone is so completely different from the other games. But when I come into the thread with fluff (something I never did in NSM X, where he played with me for the entire game), he doesn't pick it up at all and sees no difference in my behavior, even though he claims to be looking for meta-hints and stuff like that. The only thing he did was putting me to null and saying he wants to see more of me. This inconsistency makes me put him in the scum-corner for now.[...] Tried to explain here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=23#451 Aka I think he is mispresenting me here to try and get attention away from him after Rels and Rayn call him out. 2) Good. 3) Eh. Yeah, this point is not that strong as the two previous things. Might just have been a joke. Could still be an attempt to garner some good will from you. Maybe not that important for now. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote: You obviously aren't reading what I'm saying. Its obvious who I want to lynch today so stop being dumb. And that's not,my meta lol I remember you being pretty agreeable and chill in Holy Guardians. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:52 disformation wrote: I remember you being pretty agreeable and chill in Holy Guardians. Oh well. Found this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=39#779 I still think your overall tone was pretty agreeable in Holy Guardians. xD | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote: I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself. Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness Towns
And ofcourse lynches in order of aproximate scumyness Lynches
I apologize to disformation for putting your name on the list; I think your probably town but I needed a sixth name. I am staring at this post for quite some time now. No idea where to begin with this... 1) I don't think this is how auto works... auto is when you have overwhelming evidence on one or more scum members. I don't see overwhelming evidence anywhere. Auto also suggests you are done putting any effort into this game... 2) I am quite positive that mafia will at least try to shoot someone every night. So I have no idea how you can work under the assumption of having 6 lynches. 3) At least 7 town reads? Do you have 7 town reads, or do you have 8 town reads, or do you have 9 town reads? 4) Super setup for stuff like "oh I would rather lynch #1 of my scum list, but I can settle for #5, too". Which is pretty scummy... 5) General lack of explanation for anything. 6) Total wrong mindset for town? This reads to me as "instead of finding and lynching the most scummiest person around, I'll just do a huge PoE list (which has half of the players on it) and be content to lynch to that. I don't even... oO | ||
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"Look I am doing stuff, please no lyncherinos!"? | ||
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On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote: On Daily Mafia 'auto' is when you have so many town that you can no longer lose the game which is what I have. And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get. This is just how I like to think about the game, IMO the goal is not to lynch the scummiest person on a particular day but to use every resource available to us (including lynches) to kill the entire mafia team. And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on). Okay. You are so sure in your town reads after half of D1 you think you can no longer lose this game? If we lynch 4 townies in a row we lose (assuming 1 nk each night). Which is why I want to lynch the scummiest (read as in: the person with the highest chance to flip scum) person. Quite possible that we just approach this differently. And my biggest problem is that you didn't explain any of your reads... so I am a bit of a mind to ask you to explain ALL of them... let me think of a few more interesting ones first... Your Flexes read was the strangest one for me, but you explained that for a bit already. Although I am note sure if I would give Flexes that much town cred for that... but oh well moving on. I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world. | ||
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Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about. Liked TT being suspicious of Sulfurus. Though I am not sure what I my conclusion on Sulfurus is. Def. want him to come back and post more. such Rayn. very town. much wow. Town lean on Damdred. Will reread him and post proper reasons when I am at home. Need to look st Rels filter. While I didn't mind NocturneMages questions in the beginning I think it is time for him to come back here and at least try to put out some reads. also: a lot of ppl haven't voted yet, right? should get to that. | ||
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On July 25 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think Sulfurus is town. Hm. Breshke said so, too. Okay. Let me explain my thoughts on him a bit more. I think his poe would be ballsy for mafia. But him giving not many explanations, the timing for the list and the possibility of using the poe as an excuse to do no additional work unless poked make me suspicious of him. Maybe I am a bit hardh because he has such a diffetent spproach to this than me. That said I don't think I want to lynch him today .Give him a day or two and see where he goes/what he does eith his poe. | ||
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That looks pretty bad. Another person who needs to get back in the Thread and start shitting town rainbows ASAP. Wouldn't mind voting him at this point, but I think bsrakos still has a higher chance of flipping scum. | ||
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Seems like Barakos, NocturneMage and Flexes haven't graced us with their presence and there are less than 4h left until EoD. On July 26 2015 03:22 Sulfurus wrote: Did you notice our reads are similar, or does that not change anything?. Hmm. Be both agree on Rayn, Damdred and Barakos. Since NocturneMage hasn't posted in a while I agree on calling him scummy, too. Not a fan of MoosyDoosy but not sure if I would call him a #2 scum read. Strong disagree on Flexes, as pointed out. Need to look at TT, Rels, Breshke and n00bKing again. I think I had a town lean on TT, but I can't really recall why. So yeah, we agree on quite some points. But these are points most of the game agrees on I guess. xD I think I can work with you, but: On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote: I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world. Still want your town read on Damdred and your #2 scum read on MoosyDoosy explained. :p | ||
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Trying to formulate my thoughts on Damdred is harder than expected. Reread the Shadow QT from Holy Guardians and realized that we were actually not talking much in there. I can see some similarities in his play in Holy Guardians, but I am not sure if that is actually enough to call it a read. =/ Gaiden felt different because he was pretty pushy towards LS from an early stage. I am not sure if this is normal for his mafia play. Maybe he only did this because LS is a very good target for mafia to push early on, since he has the habit of claiming PR's super fast. Which is also what happened in Gaiden. I am getting the feeling I should concentrate more on his play this game... | ||
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On July 26 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote: I think mages is probably the best shot honestly. I think your wrong on moose What is your town lean (I guess it is a lean) on moose based on? Skimmed your filter and didn't see you explain it. | ||
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TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum. I don't like how Sulfurus has not answered my questions regarding his Damdred and MoosyDoosy reads twice now. But instead he makes sorta a case on n00bKing. Though n00bKing is the #3 scum on his initial list... Need to read some filters and look at some ppl again. | ||
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On July 26 2015 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Flexes would have already been replaced if he had some RL-related problem. Unless he hasn't PM'd the hosts, which is his own fault. Basically do not count on someone getting replaced. Fair enough. Won't be sad if he gets vig shot. =/ MoosyDoosy : Skimmed your filter. You had some interactions with Breshke D1, what is your conclusion on Breshke? You mentioned that you want to build a town circle. Who is in your town circle? | ||
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Waiting to see n00bKing's reads. Want to see more from NocturneMage. Need to reread Rels, TT and Breshke. So happy I do not need to read sicklucker's filter like 3 times a day this game. xD | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:39 n00bKing wrote: ? Do you mean scum would avoid posting it, instead of town? Otherwise, I can't figure out that sentence. I feel like scum would leave itself with more null or "unsure on that guy" reads in order to have some room to wiggle around later on. E.g. could I see scum cutting 1-2 ppl from your town circle and be like "eh I have a slight lean, need to reread". So they can jump onto them if someone makes a good case or something. And/Or overall more waffly reads. | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:53 n00bKing wrote: So the answer is yes, you meant "scum" where you put "town?" If so, everything makes sense. Oh lol. yes! Didn't see that. xD Sorry I am kinda tired. xD | ||
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On July 26 2015 23:03 disformation wrote: Some notes: TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum. Saw it coming. =p Super hype that neither rayn nor damdred got shot tonight! :D | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: That's not true ruxxar statistically it's about a 50/50 split for replacements Yeah. Scott needs to put some posts out! | ||
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So congrats on making it to D2 scott. =D | ||
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On July 27 2015 08:09 scott31337 wrote: Tictock seems really weird from what I've read of his filter - I just don't see Breshke being mafia with such an early vote and not moving it - was Barakos that scummy? It's a lot to read all the pages again. Can anyone point to any big points I may have missed? Barakos was so scummy even I didn't manage to waffle on him. He was called out for a post early on, his response was terrible, he got called out on that again. Got a bunch of votes. Never showed up again. | ||
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On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote: Second, I was roleblocked. My potential night actions were: So I believe one of these two is mafia. I think this is pretty much WIFOM. Can you make a case on either without relying on that? I was NOT roleblocked. Where I am currently at: town: rayn, damdred town lean: rels, ruxxar null: scott, nocturnemage (want both to post stuff) scum lean: Sulf waffleland: MD, n00bKing need to reread asap: Breshke, TT ToDo for today: reread Breshke and TT, reach conclusion on MD, n00bKing | ||
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I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game? One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible... Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already... Not liking this... | ||
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On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote: Ah btw another quick note: I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game? One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible... Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already... Not liking this... Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now: ##vote Sulfurus | ||
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On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote: He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF. He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1. On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote: Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now: ##vote Sulfurus | ||
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On July 27 2015 18:24 Rels wrote: Can you quote the questions you asked Sulfu that he didn't answer ? On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote: I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world. Only explained the Barakos read. On July 26 2015 03:48 disformation wrote: Still want your town read on Damdred and your #2 scum read on MoosyDoosy explained. :p No answer I am aware of. Made a case on n00bKing instead... but votes for MD after never explaining his read on him... | ||
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On July 27 2015 18:54 Rels wrote: Outside of the case 'cause we're starting to go into unflipped relation case: His read on Flexes is idiotic, especially his explanation on why disfo is scummier than Flexes. If Sulfu flips town I think Flexes has a (even bigger) chance to flip mafia. Yeah. While I am not a great fan of unflipped associations, this is something to keep in mind if one of the two turns out to be scum at some point. In a very similar vein I feel that if both n00bKing and MD are town it increases the chance of Sulfurus being scum. Also since Sulfurus posted his PoE very late, it is possible that he put Barakos on top of it to get some town cred to maybe get some misslynches going? At that point even if scum didn't know if Barakos would come back or not, it looked very much like he would be lynched, soit is a decent/easy way of getting town cred? Though of course all this stuff is kinda WIFOM and such and I wouldn't base my scum read only on that. Look at Rels case or my recent posts on Sulfurus for plenty other reasons to vote him though. | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote: #12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. | ||
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On July 27 2015 22:35 NocturneMage wrote: To add - I know what bussing means, but I'm trying to grasp the relationship between where someone is on a voting wagon and the likeliness of that person being scum. I remember Damdred made some comment around or after end of day 1 on the last people on the wagon being scum, but I didn't understand the argument behind it. Okay, trying to explain the idea behind the argument. Scum would avoid lynching scum. So often they are not fond of voting for a teammate, who is in some danger. But when the lynch of a teammate becomes unstoppable they will hop on the wagon to get some town credibility "hey I voted for scum". This often happens rather late, since they might try to wait and see if they can get somebody else lynched instead. Often this is accompanied by a poor and/or unoriginal reason to vote for their mate. Of course we do not know how early Barakos gave up and what was discussed in scum QT, the plan to bus Barakos might have been formed early, but the possibility of 1 scum hopping on the Barakos wagon rather late is rather plausible. | ||
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On July 27 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: Guys stop being bads, we shouldn't lynch people who were on the wagon to lynch scum tomorrow. There are a few people who aren't really playing and weren't on the wagon. Meh. Kinda waiting on scott to post some more stuff before I reevaluate the flexes spot. I think MoosyDoosy looks a lot better as of N1. That leaves me with TT and ruxXar. Skimmed TT's filter earlier and aside from the super wrong read on rayne he at least looks better than Sulfurus imo. That leaves ruxXar, who I have a town lean on. Though... Well I will reread ruxXar and TT's filter properly when I am at home. | ||
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Are your bottom 5 still: Moosey Sulf Breshke Tt Flex ? Has the order changed recently? Which of those would you prefer to lynch today? I assume it is one of MD, TT and Flex since they are the 3 from the list that weren't on the Barakos wagon? Any preference for one of those? Also I am somehow super unaware of the accusations against TT. I remember him being super nice to me, though... pocket/buddying attempt? Anyway can someone rehash the stuff against TT for me? Yeah, I now I am a lazy cunt. xD | ||
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On July 28 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: We do not lynch sulfurus. If you think whrn every single person in the game is okay with lynching him except for me and Damdred, will he flip mafia? Lynch tictock. Unless you cant see why he is mafia, especially with this retarded push on sulfurus, then at least vote for scott, who is also mafia. Meh. Will read TT's filter again. Willing to switch to scott, if he doesn't show up with good. Still would like at least some pressure on Sulfurus. Random note: super tired, couldn't sleep for 2hours after going to bed and have slept only 4h as a result. So this stuff might happen some time tomorrow, since it might colapse into bed soonish. | ||
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@Damdred, @Ryan: Could explain again why you think lynching someone who did vote barakos is so much worse than lynching one of the guys who didn't? I feel like I am missing something, or my brain refuses to accept certain information, or I forgot a key post or something. Sry for being not very helpful today. =/ Explain it to me like like I am a sleep deprived baddie, that is pretty damn bad at this game. Which is pretty much what I am anyway. =p Will prolly go to bed soon, so I'll read answers tomorrow. THanks in advance. | ||
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Do we have a decent counterwagon? Lack of countersomethings would be somewhat concerningly. | ||
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##unvote Will go to bed now. Top priority for tomorrow is TT. MD after that. If scott doesn't up his game I will be willing to vote for him. Random note: Breshke is awefully MIA. | ||
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On July 28 2015 21:05 Rels wrote: If anybody else can comment on TT, Breshke, Moosy and scott that would be super kind, 'cause I'm kind of overthinking it right now. Still thinking TT is the best shot for mafia though for now. Plan to look into those four later. Horrible day at work, no time atm. Sry. =/ | ||
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I agree that there is most likely not a very experienced vet on the scum team (rayn/breshke/damdred). Though that is just a gut feel I have. Read Scott's filter. Don't like him jumping on every decent case he sees but I don't mind his attempt at VCA that much. Though overall his contribution so far is kinda lacking. Tempted to maybe give him another day. But also depends on how much more/less likely I judge ruXxar/TT/MD to be scum. Might sneak out a 30min break to read TT next. | ||
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Uh... if I put it to paper it kinda looks worse than I thought.
Still I quite like some of his interactions E.g. On July 28 2015 21:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: ...Your town feels should be from my N1 and not D1. D1 was me crushing ruXxar. I don't think mafia would be happy to point out something like this. Especially since there is some danger of MD being the lynch today... yet him not caring much getting lynched, can it be town? So. This looks super bad on paper. Yet something feels off. Did I miss something? Like I could vote for him since this looks pretty bad, but I am not convinced he has a high chance of flipping scum... =/ | ||
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On July 29 2015 01:29 Damdred wrote: I'm never voting sulf today I think. I'm torn on tt, bresh, moos Hm. Breshke was on the barakos wagon wasn't he? I thought we wanted to keep the lynch off the wagon today... though I am sleeping a bit on Breshke. | ||
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On July 27 2015 12:44 Tictock wrote: Just FYI If Mossy is actually mafia like I think he is... then you all have my permission to lynch me when I come up on Sul's PoE list. Maybe scum!Sul puts Bara on that list to get the town cred. No way does scum!Sul bus both his teammates in the first 2 days. What if this really says: "If Mossy would be mafia like I know he is not, then you have my permission to lnyhc me when I come up on Sul's PoE list. Let me go ahead and prepare a Sul misslynch." But I really liked this: On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote: Quick post while on my meal break. Sulf is actually looking less and less likely to be mafi here... His posting looks pretty similar to his town game in NSM X. While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. I think ruxx is town, and I've already stated my opinions on Moosy. As for scott... Idk seems odd how he is just sheeping cases before he is done catching up with the game. I also would expect him to take more time trying to get a read on me. Scott has played with me more than anyone here and like Damdred he was in Holy Guardians where I managed to get Scott lynched in LyLo. I'd expect Scott to be able to read me better, or at least put some effort into trying to... Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Just remembered the two of them being masons together yesterday and wanted to ask them about each other... like... is the scum team Breshke + flexes/scott ? | ||
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He is noticeable nice to me (e.g. putting me above rayne and damdred on his town list) all game. Metaread or a Buddying/Pocketing attempt? His case/read on Rayn D1 is pretty bad, but I know him as the guy who tunnels a blue for 2 cycles straight as town, so I don't think he is scum for that. =p | ||
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MD or TT could be scum, but I don't strongly believe that and am not sure who of the two is more likely to be scum. | ||
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On July 29 2015 02:49 disformation wrote: TBH would vote Scott (not looking good + POE) or Breshke atm. MD or TT could be scum, but I don't strongly believe that and am not sure who of the two is more likely to be scum. On July 29 2015 03:44 Damdred wrote: Fuck it moosey is probably town here. So Scott or breshke. Since I have a 100% winrate with lynching scott D1 so far... ##vote scott31337 | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote: I'm still getting lynched. Not 100% on the count but it's something like Tictock 4 Sulf 3 Scott 3 Moosy 2 Yeah that is the current count. vote scott. | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:05 n00bKing wrote: Well get 100%. I'm not typing all this up if I don't have to. lol On July 29 2015 04:04 disformation wrote: Yeah that is the current count. vote scott. On July 29 2015 04:06 Breshke wrote: Unvote Vote Scott Okay I'll be back in like two hours Hrm. This kinda dampens my enthusiasm for the Breshke + scott scum team a bit. =/ | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: Who's on tt here? tictock (4): scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:04 NocturneMage wrote: Just got home from work. So people don't want to lynch Sulfurus - reading his last few posts and I have some questions. - why is he looking at disformation (between him and Breshke) If you remember this list: On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote: Towns
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On July 29 2015 04:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: *shrugs* For me this is a good test to sniff out alignments through reactions of all parties involved. To be truthful I was reluctant to switch and with this quick change in voting, things do seem a bit off. But I think this lynch will at least give us a ton of info. subtly setting yourself up for a "told ya so"? | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes. Nah, just saying the obvious. We're all thinking the same thing but not saying it. Not too sure about the ton of info, but the landslide voting is worrying me a tad. | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:46 Damdred wrote: This is interesting. Everyone who has moved why did you move to the Scott wagon. Well: On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: [...] If scott doesn't up his game I will be willing to vote for him. [...] On July 28 2015 22:26 disformation wrote: [...] Read Scott's filter. Don't like him jumping on every decent case he sees but I don't mind his attempt at VCA that much. Though overall his contribution so far is kinda lacking. Tempted to maybe give him another day. But also depends on how much more/less likely I judge ruXxar/TT/MD to be scum. [...] On July 29 2015 02:39 disformation wrote: [...] like... is the scum team Breshke + flexes/scott ? On July 29 2015 02:49 disformation wrote: TBH would vote Scott (not looking good + POE) or Breshke atm. MD or TT could be scum, but I don't strongly believe that and am not sure who of the two is more likely to be scum. On July 29 2015 03:53 disformation wrote: Since I have a 100% winrate with lynching scott D1 so far... ##vote scott31337 TDLR: After not getting it for a while I agree that lynching off the barakos wagon has a good chance of hitting scum. Town lean on ruXxar and while MD and TT look somewhat shady I am not confident enough on either of them flipping scum to be happy with a lynch (would consolidate, but not rly happy). So by PoE it kinda has to be scott and his performance so far has been everything but hot. | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:55 Damdred wrote: Everyone comments on mages now, his re-entrance to the thread and his subsequent vote make m think scum. Hmm. He is quite quick to jump on the most promising/consented wagon each time he appears on D2. Did kinda of the same D1 on Barakos though. The stuff on Sulf was a misunderstanding and some decent points. The other stuff is some points and notes... but like I am not seeing a scum tell here. Am I missing something? Unless you think he is a hypocrite because his voting pattern is similar to scott's or something? Though in comparison I like NocturneMage's post more than scotts... | ||
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On July 29 2015 05:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why are you not voting? Your vote is not counted if you did too. I am not very confident of either of them (mage/TT) flipping scum. Or rather not sure which one has the higher probability of flipping scum, since the PoE is getting rather small... Can't sheep our townleaders (damdred,rayn) since they decided to yell at each other instead of wanting to consolidate... =/ | ||
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*sigh* Okay. We were wanting to vote for one of the ppl not voting barakos D1. Means: TT, MD, NM, ruXxar and scott... No wait. NM has voted Barakos... nevermind then... We are not lynching ruXxar today. scott is cop and MD is green check. okay... there is literally no choice. plus I'd prefer to not get yelled at by you. -.- ##vote Tictock | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:44 Damdred wrote: It could be green checks only go so far Greenchecks give me nightmares. Damn you 27ninjabunnies... | ||
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On July 29 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: Come on now we talk about mages why tt over mages for people? Totally demotivated right now. Should maybe rename myself to dismotivated. *sigh* Why TT over NM?
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On July 29 2015 08:00 Damdred wrote: Let's talk about reads a bit and do work instead atm. Also I think,Barak spewed noob town in one of his first posts as wifom as that is Kay. My reads are atm something like: very town: disformation: 10/10 would fuck. rayn: much town. very ego. such confirmed. wow. damdred; meta says town. posts say town. no lyncherinos. much town: Rels: drunk. was rbed. few mehish cases. but overall very towny posts. ruXxar: hm. bit harder to explain. might just be the vibe. maybe reread? scott: apparently is cop. MoosyDoosy: bleh D1. much better N1+. green check. meh: Sulfurus: strange poe. super low post count. was super wrong on him NSM X. NocturneMage - very new. appears to not have much time. New town player or scum playing the newb card? prolly lunch: breshke: no clue what is current reads are. super low post count. need to look at his votes of D2. need 2 reread: n00bKing | ||
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Your #1 scum is still MoosyDoosy even with green check? Your #2 scum was Flexes/Scott? You never really said so, but it is implied in your filter. What do you think of the claim? Your #3 scum was TT. Any scum reads other than these 3 now that TT has flipped town? Any insights into some townreads other than the usual suspects/reasons? | ||
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So if TT flipped town and scott is unCCed cop: On July 29 2015 04:03 Breshke wrote: TT is third on the list mainly because of POE. [...] Haven't you run out of scum reads now, with only MD remaining and 2 scum being left? | ||
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Any changes to your POE due to the developments of D2? | ||
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On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote: Yeah, I actually thought my initial vote would be against Sulfurus, and then when someone asked why I made the vote, I would be like "Because he's the Godfather?" But then ruXxar made his post about how nice it felt to be carefree and under no scrutiny, and I felt compelled to put a vote on him, just to interrupt his nirvana. I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game in Newbie 12 from his Town game in Newbie 10. What do you think of Sulfurus meta now? On July 25 2015 06:23 n00bKing wrote: 1) What read do you mean? 2) I completely agree. 3) Come on, man. You mentioned earlier that Barakos might have been "buddying" with that comment. But he's not, it's obviously just a joke. He's not actually trying to give me town credit for knowing how to count. How could you think that? I've seen players try to buddy up to me before (or "pocket" me, as it seems to be called around here), and I'm definitely wary of it. But this is not an instance of that. For him to name me top town for knowing how to count is the same as if he named rayn top town for having the most letters in his screen name. Pay attention. On July 25 2015 06:47 n00bKing wrote: Okay, then I agree with Moosy. You are dumb. I cannot begin to imagine how anyone could take that comment from Barakos seriously. Not for a moment did I think he was trying to buddy up to me, or pocket me, or give a read on me. It's clearly a joke. And in fact, the post from me that he was responding to when he made the joke, was ALSO a joke. His joke plays off of mine.On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote: Because it WAS a joke. Barakos AFK'd the rest of the Phase, so he never came back to confirm it. But ask him after the game is over. I bet he'll tell you it was a joke. Why are you so angry about this? You are discrediting me by telling me to pay attention and call ruXxar dumb. You could probably just have straight up ignored this. Or do you dislike being connected with barakos? On July 26 2015 05:04 n00bKing wrote: So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen. One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic. He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up. My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point. Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels... ##Unvote ##Vote: Barakos Bold font added by me. Why does it like all this stuff feel like you want to lynch Rels over Barakos? The post you quoted also is super good setup to bus a mafia mate if you are unsure if he will come back or not... This was pointed out already and he explained it here: On July 27 2015 01:25 n00bKing wrote: I'll give ya 3 reasons. 1) Remember this? And then this? And then this? I said what things Barakos would need to do in order to alleviate my suspicion. He never did those things. I had long expressed contentment with lynching him, so I...followed through on it. 2) Like I said, my attempts to pressure Rels weren't getting any traction. At the time that I moved my vote, having it on Rels was just barking at the moon. (In fact, I probably had about as much chance of getting The Moon lynched as getting Rels lynched.) I was at work for EoD, so there was a chance I wouldn't be around at the deadline. With Barakos having a 6-2 vote lead over Moosy, it looked pretty unlikely that there would be any late "shenannies" but I saw no reason to take any chances. I was not going to have my afk vote on Rels give anyone an opportunity to move the Noose from Barakos to Moosy. Those two reasons are good enough on their own, so feel free to skip this third one if you want, because it may not make sense to you anyway. 3) In the Mafia-by-forum games I played before coming to TL, there was normally a variation on the Vigilante role, that worked a little differently from how he works in this game. And there were roles that could "Pardon" someone who was lynched, so that they didn't die. In an instance like that, the Vigilante goes and attacks whoever he voted against that Day. That lets the Scum look at the vote count and eliminate some people as potentially being the Vigilante. The more scattered the votes are, the more it helps them narrow down the Vigilante's identity. This gives the Town incentive to consolidate votes toward the EoD. So I have this long-standing instinct drilled into me, to do vote consolidation, and it keeps me from leaving my vote uselessly stranded on Rels when no one else is voting against him. Could still be a bus? n00bKing was rather late on the wagon after all. He was the 7th on this wagon. Not that much room for mafia to make crazy plays... Also: On July 27 2015 01:33 n00bKing wrote: What the....why does this post look like a quote, when you had never said this before? lol, anyway... Yes, me pushing Rels all day long makes no sense from a scum perspective. If I had been teamed with Barakos, I would have either: 1) Gotten Moosy lynched in Barakos' place (which looked entirely possible, based on thread sentiment). or 2) Bussed the living snot out of Barakos. Pushing on Rels does NOT maximize my chances of getting a mislynch and saving Barakos. Pushing on Rels ALSO does NOT maximize my chances of getting Town cred when Barakos flips Red. My Day 1 play makes no sense, as a teammate of Barakos. Explaining the play from Rels on Day 1, as a teammate of Barakos, is comparably much easier. He bussed him. Explanation over. Which is kinda WIFOM. D2 he starts the train on Sulfurus. Not sure if mafia!n00bKing would boldly start a wagon like this. Not sure how many ppl had expressed interest in lynching Sulfurus at that point. On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote: #6: Ticktock - As he pointed out, we're on the same page about virtually everything. When I notice a flawed argument and wait for someone to point out the same problem with it that I see, he has done that a time or two. When I ask him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see. And sometimes, when I think about asking him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see before I actually get the question posted. Hated the tarot stuff, but he's been a useful contributor since. Don't mind seeing him get a few answers from the "Town leaders" since no one else was doing it. Think his defense of Barakos would have been awfully bold if he were Scum, in a setup that guarantees either a Cop or Vigilante. On July 27 2015 13:22 n00bKing wrote: Jesus, Ticktock. If rayn is our vet there can't BE a Doc. You JUST posted the setup roles, in the post before this one. lol Upgrading Ticktock from Town to DumbTown (which is even bettter). On July 27 2015 17:31 n00bKing wrote: I already upgraded him from Town to DumbTown. If Ticktock is Scum, I'll eat my hat. Kinda explains his strong TT read... On July 29 2015 06:35 n00bKing wrote: REASONS TO THINK TICKTOCK IS TOWN 1) Tarot crap needlessly draws attention to himself and makes people irritated with him, especially after a late entrance to the thread. WIFOM is in play here, but this is slightly Town-indicative, because it is self-detrimental for the Scum version of himself. 2) Questions the "bigs" when no one else is doing so. This again makes him conspicuous. Challenging the Town leaders will make them more likely to want to lynch him later (and boy are we seeing that from rayn) but he shows no fear of those consequences. 3) Named me as a Top Town read, and said he's "never lynching me." I'm the only player that (at that stage of the game) he could name as Top Town, and I could be sure he's right about it. I don't have any reason to think that TickTock would believe I could be "pocketed" by this type of move. So it looks legit. 4) Half of Breshke's participation in this game has been due to prodding from TickTock. This could be scum-motivated only if they are both Scum. Otherwise, Scum Ticktock has no interest in making Town Breshke participate more. 5) Soft defends Barakos, when a Scum player would be more likely to either bus him HARD (to maximize Town Cred) or defend him HARD (to maximize the chances of saving him). If he wasn't sure which direction to go, he would probably just not mention him at all. Instead, he participates in conversations about Barakos, but allows himself to be in a hazy middle on him. Scum is not going to be wishy washy about a guy he knows will flip Red, while Town sentiment is clearly against the guy. 6) Correctly identified the 3 players who are mostly likely to have bussed Barakos. I had the exact same 3 players in mind, and I'm Town, so it makes me think he's coming from a Town mindset as well. 7) When I interrogated him about how he selected those 3 names (without offering ANY hint as to what the correct answer might be) he gave the correct answer. He used the same process I did, and again, I know that process came from a Town mentality. 8) Was DumbTown on Day 2, forgetting that a Doctor and Veteran cannot co-exist, which a Scum player would know, because of the fact that they know the setup. 9) Was DumbTown MUCH worse on Day 2 when he said that if he was the Cop and had a redcheck on someone, he wouldn't reveal it. He said the person should stay hidden and get more checks. Because if they reveal themselves, they'll just get roleblocked or killed. This is RIDICULOUS, because if the Cop has a redcheck, it IS the roleblocker. And there are no more checks to get, because the other Scum player is the Godfather! No Mafia player could ever make this mistake genuinely. And no Mafia player would know what I just wrote above, and yet tell the Town that if a Cop has a redcheck they shouldn't say so. ##Townshield: Ticktock Yeah, he was right. No question. But a few of these things like 1), 3), 5), 6), 7) are either tailored to n00bKing's perspective or kinda WIFOM. Grasping for points because he KNOWS TT is town, but can't explain it very well with actual stuff? Opinions? | ||
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On July 29 2015 10:06 Sulfurus wrote: Not really. The green check does make Moosy townier but he still needs to die before the game ends. Also a lot more people should have town reads on me since I was the only player to town read our cop back when it was unpopular. *dons hipster shades* BTW have you rolled mafia before Dis? Nope. Was Town Doc in NSM 9. Was VT in NSM 10. VT this game. Will probably roll mafia in my 5th game, so I don't have a coach and will fail around super hard. :D On July 29 2015 10:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: smh this Day ruined my fucking mood. Tictock was such a townie I don't know how anyone saw otherwise. scott is still suspicious af, ruXxar is 9000+ town because he's still spewing garbage, Breshke needs to give a fuck, rayn needs a slap in the face, disinformation needs to help me out here because he's the only one making sense to me rite now. Yeah, feeling super bad about that lynch. -.- Where are you current reads at? | ||
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On July 29 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I made this looong post where I drew up lists from all the voting times, people on me and other townies, my blanket list from earlier, and Damdred's thoughts that we shouldn't lynch people on the Barakos wagon. The list of people I was left with was Tictock/Breshke/scott/Sulf/ruXxar/Mage. I read Tictock as town, scott claimed, ruXxar is 9000+ town, leaving us Breshke/Sulf/Mage. I can post the post which I made before everyone started flip flopping through votes like fish if you guys want to see it but I decided not to post it and see how things turned out. Either way, it looks like the list is still good to go and my thoughts were only further confirmed by this mislynch. got ninjaed. Yeah, breshke super shady right now.. all the PoE's lead to Mage somehow. Kinda waffly about Sulf atm. | ||
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On July 29 2015 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: @disformation, a lot of n00bKing's thought process does come from confirmation bias so it's fine to ignore those things. He's been doing it ever since he came to TL so I don't find it strange at all. What I want are your thoughts on Breshke/Sulf/Mage. Going to bed in a few mins (wanted to got to bed like 1h30 before this, it is 3:30 am local time.). as seen a few posts above: meh: Sulfurus: strange poe. super low post count. was super wrong on him NSM X. NocturneMage - very new. appears to not have much time. New town player or scum playing the newb card? prolly lunch: breshke: no clue what is current reads are. super low post count. need to look at his votes of D2. So I don't like Breshke at all currently. Asked him a bunch of questions. Depending on his answers, he could be my prefered lynch tomorrow. NM I am not sure if he is genuine new and doesn't have that much time or if he is scum playing the newb card and posting as little as possible. Sulfurus I kinda like his most recent posts and I was super wrong on him in NSM X. Still I think these three are the most scummy players around atm. Unless like there is something to the tinfoil hat theory where you are the GF. But I think you were pretty towny so far. Maybe will reread you tomorrow. | ||
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On July 29 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thanks. At least someone is more or less on the same page as me. Not sure why MoosyDoosy singled me out like this when like half the players have a list very similar to mine. Like Damdred just posted his version 1 page ago. Pocketing/Buddying attempt? Prolly getting paranoid. Getting less sure about Breshke and Sulfurus. Is it NocturneMage and 1 of n00bKIng or MoosyDoosy? | ||
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recap: prolly 1+ of: Sulfurus, Breshke, NocturneMage Maybeeee 1of: MoosyDoosy, n00bKing (unless scott fakeclaimed obv) need to reevaluate my reevaluation of my reevaluation. watching that ant man thing now. will be back in like 3hours. | ||
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I dislike a lot of posts from today evening. I go like "I am not sure if all 2 mafia are in NM/Sulf/Breshke. Maybe 1 of MD or n00bKing is scum." On July 30 2015 01:47 n00bKing wrote: How would it be possible for me to be Scum, disformation? How can that reality exist, given the way that the game has played out? Are you just going to plaster a big "WIFOM" sticker over every single instance where I've done something that is detrimental to the Scum win condition? I knew Ticktock had to be Town because he and I had been step-for-step so much of the way, and there's NO chance that a Scum Ticktock plays against his own agenda so many times, in so many ways. There isn't enough WIFOM in the world to explain away all the things that he did (and I've done) that would have brought the Mafia closer to defeat, if either of us were on the team. I would really like to hear someone explain why, if I were Mafia, I would continuously be putting the dagger in my own heart. Is there even any theory at all for how that's possible, that can't simply be summarized as "WIFOM" and nothing more? This post has 0 content. Of course it is possible for him to be scum. I could be scum, too. Damdred could be scum. On July 30 2015 03:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: If anyone thinks that Rels + n00bKing isn't your townie shit fight they need to go kill themselves. And don't make me disappointed in you disformation...I already said that I do attempt to pocket towns for my townie circle and I've been doing that this whole game except with ruXxar. Also, if anyone thinks that I was intentionally playing scummy af because I'm Godfather, they need to clean their eyes. Bashing ruXxar is pretty standard because he is dumb and I always say things like I'm Mafia. If you want to go at that angle then you also have to take into account both ruXxar and Tictock who also did suspicious things and lynch them as well. Oh wait, we already lynched Tictock. And look how THAT turned out. lol Will add disappointment to my sig. Tempted to ask LS to give you a warning for the first line of the post. On July 30 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: You know what I fucking give up. rayn is tunneled on n00bKing, Rels and ruXxar are gonna sheep him, rayn's gonna force disformation into voting for n00bKing again, Sulf/Breshke/Mage where the Mafia is at are going to happily sheep the case, and the game will just go downhill from there. On July 30 2015 04:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like literally the only chance this town is saved is if Damdred or disformation speak up because the rest of the town is dumb as fuck. What is the point of this posts? Tempted to lynch you, so I don't have to read high quality posts like these again. | ||
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Will read MoosyDoosy and n00bKing again today evening. | ||
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On July 30 2015 22:58 Breshke wrote: So the reason i asked Rels who he scumread more was because I think a team of Moosy and N00bking is kind of weird specifically because of how different moosys answer was about the Rels RB thing. Also if they both were mafia hardcore defending each other like this would be super bad play. I rather dislike MD for his recent posts, but will look at both their filters do determine who actually looks more scummy. Probably will axe them a few questions because I am not quite sure what really triggered the wave of bad posts. Though MD first saying he is trying to pocket/buddy all the town ppl and then proceeding to insult everyone is kinda... something. xD | ||
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So. N2 MoosyDoosy appears to be super mad about the TT lynch, whom he seemingly had a godly town read on, but he didn't do much to avert. Then he gets super mad when people seem suspicious of either him and/or n00bKing who he also appears to have a godly town read on. Unfortunately from reading his filter I am not quite sure where this godly town read on n00bKing comes from (last mention was N1 when he reread n00bKing's filter). Question: MoosyDoosy can you explain your godly town read on n00bKing? Can you explain your godly town read on n00bKing, without the use of meta? Can you explain over what exactly got you so angry N2+D3? Like... n00bKing got like two votes and some ppl are suspicious of you and/or n00bKing and you proceed to overreact much? | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:45 n00bKing wrote: Like, what kind of productive Town player uses threats and blackmail against another player, to try and extract information that should not be made public anyway? lol I do not understand. Can you gives examples? Like I seriously don't know what information town should hide from town. Unless you know... PR and stuff. But 4 example if you have a read on someone and I don't understand the read and you don't want to explain the read. I think you are super scummy. TBH I could use a summary of that whole argument, because I can hardly grasp what it is about anyway. xD Probably down with a NocturneMage lynch today though. He hasn't shown up the last two days I think? | ||
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Aaaaand I see why n00bKing would not be fond of explaining it... -.- Not fond of that play tbh. But whatevs, can be talked into giving n00bKing a day. Sooo... as proposed earlier: ##vote NocturneMage Next few days (Friday,Saturday,Sunday) will be a bit tight for me. Will try to be around as much as I can. Will still look at n00bKing's filter later today. | ||
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Well. I think he is going for an incredible flashy and greedy kind of play here. And optimally he doesn't want that scum knows/guesses what he is going to do. Which is why he dodges some of the questions. I am not 100% sure what he is trying to do here myself to be completely honest. And I don't think I am fond of this kind of strat. But whatever. I think we could give him 1 day. Might want to change that opinion after rereading his filter though. =p | ||
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who knows. *shrugs* @n00bKing: If you want to make some crazy plays while it is still D3, I'd suggest not waiting too long. As mentioned in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=99#1973 I won't be around as much the next three days, so I might miss stuff that goes down last minute or something... | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:36 disformation wrote: who knows. *shrugs* @n00bKing: If you want to make some crazy plays while it is still D3, I'd suggest not waiting too long. As mentioned in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=99#1973 I won't be around as much the next three days, so I might miss stuff that goes down last minute or something... Okay. Sry for being so vague. Let me rephrase: Do I believe him to be a PR? Depends what he does today. | ||
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In all seriousness n00bKing I would really prefer for you to talk more plainly. Like it is apparent that you know something or have something planned, but with all this dancing around the stuff I can see why ruXxar would think you are scum. ruXxar is full on tunneling now. Prolly confirm. bias, too. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:58 Damdred wrote: Um no Scott is confirmed tow don't even think,that Hmm... would I believe a CC at this point? Chances are kinda slim, granted. | ||
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On July 31 2015 06:00 Damdred wrote: Literally it doesn't matter that we have a real cop or Scott might be fake. He was rb no one else was scum won't hold rb with a cop going around. Eh, I am stupid. Yeah, you are right. NVM. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:01 Damdred wrote: Literally there is no reason to say this not,interact with anyone and pile on. If you are town follow,me, Well it lines up with the PoE list he posted day 1... In NSM10 I learned that not ever changing one reads even when kinda bad can be a sign for mafia. Also not wanting to change some reads may stem from the fear of appearing inconsistent. Which mafia is more afraid of than town. So yeah not liking this stuff at all... might even put Sulfurus down as my #1 scum again... | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:23 n00bKing wrote: This is cool and all, but you and Damdred can't lynch Mage OR Sulfurus until you convince someone that I'm Town. Like I say, I'll be doing my part with the Town Case on me. But a little help wouldn't hurt. I think my case for Sulfurus being Scum was good. I expect my case for Mage being Scum is gonna be good. But neither of them are as good as the case for me being Town. So hopefully everyone reads it, because there's a whole lot of closed-mindedness going on in the thread. All right. Going to reread your filter and Rels case. Hopefully your filter loosk better than Moosy's. :p | ||
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And I don't think Rels case is strong. Like yeah there are a few strange things, but I'd rather lynch the dude that hasn't shown up for 2 days in pretty critical phases or the one that has a D1 PoE list and didn't bother explaining the reads even if asked multiple times? | ||
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On July 31 2015 22:10 Damdred wrote: I'm really surprised that you guys didn't react to the most obvious part in that post. He gives a list of 3 people he thinks could be scum, even explains why... But then says but I can only lynch noobking today. When we have 2 scum left. He even says "hey I kinda liked n00bKing's big defensive post" but still wants to lynch him over the guy who does the "classic newbie mafia schtick"? Also note how, aside from Breshke, his lynches are still totally in line with his D1 PoE list? On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote: I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself. Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness Towns
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On July 31 2015 22:31 ruXxar wrote: Filter works fine for me. Under people's post there is "Quote -> Report -> Filter" Got only Quote -> Report. Prolly because you have TL+? I think they forgot to enable the feature for everyone on this subforum. =/ | ||
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On July 31 2015 22:31 Rels wrote: Yeah that Sulfurus post is weird. Though not as weird as noobking claiming he has "critical information" then not delivering it, in a situation where we have one confirmed vet and one claimed cop. Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.- If he is town he is a pretty easy misslynch at this point. So I'd rather have him spill the beans soonish. But I think there is a very high chance of at least one of NM or Sulf being scum, so lynching them first would be pretty good. | ||
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On July 31 2015 22:44 Rels wrote: Yeah but we should pressure him all the same. If he's town he will say his information. If he's mafia he will have to make one up, possibly slipping. I agree with at least one of NM or Sulfu being mafia though. Maybe both. Not having filter is soooooo horrible. Wanted to check if Breshke was on Sulfu's first mafia list. I think Breshke was town in this list right ? Yes. On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote: I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself. Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness Towns
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On July 31 2015 22:49 disformation wrote: Yes. But Sulfurus said at some point (N1?D2?), that he moved Breshke down a lot and that Breshke was fighting with me for the last place on his lynch list now. Since Barakos, TT and MD are already gone it makes sense that the new list is n00bKing, NM and Breshke. Found it: On July 28 2015 06:20 Sulfurus wrote: It takes a lurker to read a lurker. But seriously there is a really deep bias among some people in this game that post count is proportional to townyness, maybe for some people, but if you actually look at flexes filter with the knowledge that something distracted him from the game (kinda why he got replaced) then it makes more sense why he is towny. tru tho My auto list is legit though; someone asked (TickTock?) if I will ever reconsider it and the answer is I think about how I could change it whenever I read the game but it's pretty set in stone except maybe I would rather lynch breshke over disformation but it could go either way. So at least he is consistent. On the other hand he never really explained most of his reads and didn't change reads besides me vs. breshke though a lot of stuff has happened by now. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote: Disfo you just said this: If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ? Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/ And it currently looks like he is going to be lynched anyway? Like NM has to vote him at this point (which is NAI). So it will be 5-4 with n00bKing probably getting to those votes first? I would be rather nervous in n00bKing's place already. Also I fear that he is town and thinks that he IS playing to his win-con. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:15 Breshke wrote: Don't get me wrong I agree with what you guys are doing but I am hesitant after moosey mod killing himself for like 0 reason. Can someone confirm for me that we have 4 more mislynches until we lose I think that is right but i feel like it is way too many Yeah... that is not correct. 10 ppl D3. 7 ppl D4. 5 ppl D5. 3 ppl D6. So. If MD is town, which is likely we only have two misslynches? AKA if we misslynch today and D4 we have to lynch mafia on D5 or lose. That is lylo isn't it? | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:16 ruXxar wrote: Brainstorm with me for a second disformation. You said before that you could sort of understand the play that n00bking was going for. Could you give me any suggestions for what he could possibly be hiding at this point and why he would so that? That was before Damdred reminded me that no one CCed the RB on scott today. Was thinking along the lines of n00bKing being a PR or having a super strong PR read on someone and going for the incredible greedy play of getting one more check in so he can out scott + his partner as the mafia team. And of course he doesn't want to tell so mafia can't just block/rb the true PR. But yeah that whole stuff makes little sense... maybe he wants mafia to think he knows something and force mafia to shoot him? | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: Too bad =X be careful with phone, I know I can't connect with mine on TL cause I can't see the login popup. Just checked. Did work fine with the old tl.net, but I can't login with the new one. GG. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:41 disformation wrote: Just checked. Did work fine with the old tl.net, but I can't login with the new one. GG. Found a workaround. *phew* | ||
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I think ruXxar is a bit tunneled on him, but has some valid points only n00bKing himself would be able to clear up. *shrugs* | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:02 ruXxar wrote: Not so sure I like this new website redesign. It's too spacey for me. Also quotes are like so hard to read, they're almost invisible. Yeah this grey on grey is not great. xD Also disliking some other details, but overall I think it looks pretty nice. Also gz on your tank. Will leave work in a few mins. Will sporadically check via phone. Hope I will be back before EoD, but might miss it. GL town, we kinda need it. xD | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:03 ruXxar wrote: The fact that n00bking is voting for nocturne is a point in favor of nocturne being town though.(from my point of view) If n00b flips scum then I think nocturne is town. That is pretty NAI. They have to vote each other for survival. | ||
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##unvote vote Sulfurus | ||
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On August 01 2015 06:40 disformation wrote: voting on phone sucks... ##unvote vote Sulfurus *sigh* ##unvote ##vote Sulfurus | ||
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##vote NocturneMage | ||
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full on panic mode, when typing that vote. who was on 3 votes first though? cant tell still on phone... | ||
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Just saw that my last second vote switch wasn't even counted. Mega glad we got scum lynched though. =D | ||
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So scott is conf. town. I won't lynch damdred. Need to look at ruXxar and Rels again, for tinfoil time, but last time I looked at them they looked pretty towny. Need to really look at EoD again for breshke and Sulfurus. If I remember right, n00bKing wanted to solve the game tonight, so I will wait and see what he has to offer. We are 7-1 right? Or rather 6-1 after this night? | ||
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On August 01 2015 10:00 Breshke wrote: Can we please talk about Rels for one second because people keep not thinking he is absically confirmed aswell. So if mafia want to claim RB they don't have to not roleblock anyone they can just roleblock whoever they are killing. The plus side to this is if they shoot the veteran he dies and if they don't one of them can claim RB. For rels to be mafia you need to explain why if theyw anted rels to claim that he got RB they chose to RB NOONE instead of roleblocking the person they were killing. Okay, granted the chance for Rels to be Mafia is absolutely small. It only works if mafia went for a super crazy illogical play that makes little sense in most scenarios. Is it impossible? No. So I want to at least skim his filter and see if can call him town without that RB. As I said I remember him as rather town, so I don't think that will chance. But I want to check again, so I can be sure. | ||
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Want to talk to Sulfurus a bit about the bias against low post count players and such post game. | ||
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Fine... | ||
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On August 01 2015 10:39 Damdred wrote: No stop it, you could very well end up in lylo or mylo with rels depending and you need to read him and assure yourself if he's town or not. Atm if we get to 2-1 lylo its noob-rux-breshke in the final three imo. So we need to sort everything out on everyone not sure what you mean? I should stop being paranoid, but still reread him so I can be sure about his alignment should I end up in lylo with him? | ||
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On August 01 2015 10:50 ruXxar wrote: Why has no one called me an idiot yet. I don't get it... I feel like I should just stop playing mafia right now. I could tell you a tale of waffleboy lynching his #2 scum read over his #1 scum read and getting pocketed by said #1 scum read the very next day. Turned out the #1 scum read was the GF. Said #2 scum read was VT Sulfurus btw. | ||
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Also like 4am here, will go to bed. | ||
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Will have more time again. starting tomorrow. But let us look at the votes: On July 26 2015 07:04 LightningStrike wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2): Tictock, ruXxar Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes If I remember right, Damdred was on scum way earlier, but his first vote didn't count because of a typo. So we have ruXxar voting for town. And of course some of the ppl on barakos who could have easily bussed him. n00bKing was kinda late to this wagon, but he had some posts through the day indicating that he will switch to barakos, should he not show up. Genuine or setting up for the bus? On July 29 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Final Day 2 Votecount tictock (7): Rels, scott31337, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Sulfurus, Damdred, Breshke nocturnemage (2): Tictock, MoosyDoosy scott31337 (1): NocturneMage moosydoosy (1): ruXxar Rels (1): n00bKing Nocturne was on scott, lolz. A lot of very towny ppl were on TT... was scum at all on the TT wagon? There might not have been any need to. Left are ruXxar and n00bKing... On August 01 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: NocturneMage (4): Breshke, Sulfurus, Damdred, scott31337 Sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar. So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking. Other opinions? Did I miss something? | ||
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Did you notice which scum role is left? roleblocker... So. Let us say n00bKing is the roleblocker. He just lost a teammate D1. His other teammate is not that active. He knows there is a vet and a cop in the game. Rels says he would check n00bKing if he is the cop. He panics and judges the danger of a potential redcheck on D2 to be higher than hitting the vet. He blocks Rels. D2 he notices he has screwed up badly and tries to invent a ploy, where he can spin this to his advantage. Unless he shows up with something incredible this night, I am inclined to think he is the scum rb, who did a huge mistake N1. | ||
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On August 01 2015 23:16 ruXxar wrote: You "just got this idea?" Rofl.... We've been discussing this for years. Welcome to the game breshke, enjoy your stay. Who is Breshke? Also yes I might be late to this party, but it makes much more sense in my head now that there is more stuff indicating n00b might be scum and only the rb being left. Also I have a terribly selective mind and the posts of you guys yelling at each other, where super hard to follow. And all the cases that were made looked kinda weak to me, so I didn't care much at the time. I am a horrible person I know. | ||
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On August 01 2015 23:36 ruXxar wrote: K so here's what you guys are gonna do tomorrow. You lynch me. Then you lynch n00bking. Then you win the game. It's an idiot proof plan, impossible to fuck up. Can you make a case why we should lynch you first? | ||
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On August 02 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: ummmm yeah, you should probably just start saying who you think is scum and why instead of crying out how great a job you did or why x posts suck. Agreed. If I remember right n00bKing wanted to solve the game with a surefire case on NMs partner. If he spends all night defending himself I kinda want to lynch him for obstruction of town agenda. | ||
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ruXxar looks kinda bad in VCA, reread as well. Crazy tinfoil world: rels or damdred. Ultra bus time mafia play: Sulfurus or breshke | ||
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##vote n00bKing And just for the record: no rb here. | ||
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On August 02 2015 22:31 Damdred wrote: I think if noob flips town probably disinformation XD My PoE kinda agrees with you. xD If n00b flips town I'll have to ask LS if I got the right PM. Scott only gets lynched if n00bKing flips as a PR. Sulf and Breskhe basically would have to been hardcore bussing all game. Damdred is town MVP at this point imo. Rels would have made a super super bad RB play N1. Leaving ruXxar and me. *shrugs* | ||
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On August 03 2015 03:43 Damdred wrote: And if Scott fibbing I'm going to be very annoyed Not only you. | ||
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On August 03 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: I wonder if majority said yes We are about to find out very soon. | ||
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On August 04 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote: Much excite HYPE! | ||
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Last two games I had some trouble being read as town D1. This game I went into D1 way more relaxed and had a way easier time getting read correctly. Only guy to give me a scum read was scum himself. So I am pretty happy about that. Should have read the arguments between Rels/ruXxar/n00bKing more carefully. I kinda have a hard time following arguments, especially when the quotes are split in multiple seperate quotes and the posts get pretty big. I tend to forget what the initial problem is and such. So I am prone to thinking it is a town on town yelling contest. Should not have sheeped rayn D2, just because he was shouting the loudest. =p Sry TT. Thank you, LightningStrike, for hosting. This game was kinda volatile and I bet you got tons of experience in hosting from that. | ||
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I also get told that a good way to identify scum/town is to look at the motivation/goal behind posts. I have an easy time seeing both motivations for (nearly) every post. Added to that I often see the scum motivation of "okay, lets do 1-2 decent posts before they get suspicious" in low post count players. Especially when the reads don't evolve at all or radically change over time and I can't follow the thought process from the filter, since there is a huge gap in between some stuff. So yeah I have a bit of trouble of reading low post count players properly. Hope that will get better with experience/time though. | ||
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