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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 04:25 ruXxar wrote: What's your opinion on moosy? What do you think about my evaluation of you being more warm and jokey than usual? COUGH YOU'RE evaluation about him being more warm? I was the first one to point that out thank you very much. But then again the only thing you can do is hop on wagons so I guess I shouldn't have expected anything else. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
 Day 1 Votecount Day 1 ends in 24 hours barakos (3): raynpelikoneet, disinformation, Damdred Rels(1): n00bKing MoosyDoosy (1): Ruxxar Not voting(8):Rels, MoosyDoosy, Sulfurus, Barakos, NocturneMage, Flexes, Ticktock, Breshke Barakos is currently set to be lynched! You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote! Day ends in 22 hours 50 Minutes | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote: This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it. First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost. Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect. Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote: How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. ruXxar as a hint of advice, don't try to understand other people's thought process. That's a bad thing because you can literally twist anyone's "thought process" to make it look like they're Mafia. What you should do is look at posts and find tone reads or slips. And the contradictions you tried to force onto me are like the ones that batsnacks forced on geript. There's a difference between scumslips and contradictions. A way to get better at Mafia is discerning this. Just some friendly advice since this is a newbie game after all. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: comment on the case please. do not sidetrack. that's all you are doing right now in case you somehow cannot see it yourself. On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote: Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town. ayeeE these are the posts I'm talking about. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
But whatever. It looks like the important portion of this day was in the last few pages so I'll read over it, look at filters, and decide which camp to take place in. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
You are likely the only person who might have a decent meta read on him. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Yeah i dont believe that post was a reaction test he was just trying to get out of a bad situation. Call me stupid but i didn't even think the original post was that bad. On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post: That's how i tend to post sometimes. Why explai neverything when you can force people into actually thinking why are posting the stuff you do?  that, and his overall eagerness to read ruxxar and carefree attitude.Anyways i had some doubts later, but i am back to thinking he is town. The problem with this rayn is when promtpted to actually explain he dodged/didn't reply multiple times so he clearly didn't have an explanation. It then evolved into him wanting me to explain my read better. I get being ambiguous to get people to engage with you but when I and others asked him about why he posted this he had nothing. I also don't think ruxxar is scum anymore | ||
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
On July 25 2015 08:58 disformation wrote: I am staring at this post for quite some time now. No idea where to begin with this... 1) I don't think this is how auto works... auto is when you have overwhelming evidence on one or more scum members. I don't see overwhelming evidence anywhere. Auto also suggests you are done putting any effort into this game... 2) I am quite positive that mafia will at least try to shoot someone every night. So I have no idea how you can work under the assumption of having 6 lynches. 3) At least 7 town reads? Do you have 7 town reads, or do you have 8 town reads, or do you have 9 town reads? 4) Super setup for stuff like "oh I would rather lynch #1 of my scum list, but I can settle for #5, too". Which is pretty scummy... 5) General lack of explanation for anything. 6) Total wrong mindset for town? This reads to me as "instead of finding and lynching the most scummiest person around, I'll just do a huge PoE list (which has half of the players on it) and be content to lynch to that. I don't even... oO On Daily Mafia 'auto' is when you have so many town that you can no longer lose the game which is what I have. And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get. This is just how I like to think about the game, IMO the goal is not to lynch the scummiest person on a particular day but to use every resource available to us (including lynches) to kill the entire mafia team. And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on). | ||
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 25 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway. Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus. I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride. I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing. I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed. I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way. But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock). I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote: On Daily Mafia 'auto' is when you have so many town that you can no longer lose the game which is what I have. And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get. This is just how I like to think about the game, IMO the goal is not to lynch the scummiest person on a particular day but to use every resource available to us (including lynches) to kill the entire mafia team. And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on). Okay. You are so sure in your town reads after half of D1 you think you can no longer lose this game? If we lynch 4 townies in a row we lose (assuming 1 nk each night). Which is why I want to lynch the scummiest (read as in: the person with the highest chance to flip scum) person. Quite possible that we just approach this differently. And my biggest problem is that you didn't explain any of your reads... so I am a bit of a mind to ask you to explain ALL of them... let me think of a few more interesting ones first... Your Flexes read was the strangest one for me, but you explained that for a bit already. Although I am note sure if I would give Flexes that much town cred for that... but oh well moving on. I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote: Yeah sulfurus is town Reasoning? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
His like third? post in the game was him posting an auto list. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Talk to me a bit. What do you make of Damdred? Should I accept his town read on rayn? What do you think of Moosy? Oh and of course, the card I drew for you... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qVK1lhK.jpg) | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
However his posting has gotten much better and has been seeming more like his usual self. This post especially sold me: On July 25 2015 10:09 n00bKing wrote: Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus. I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride. I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing. I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed. I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way. But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock). I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say. So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 25 2015 13:37 Tictock wrote: Breshke, old Buddie ^.^ Talk to me a bit. What do you make of Damdred? Should I accept his town read on rayn? What do you think of Moosy? Oh and of course, the card I drew for you... + Show Spoiler + Well that depends. Do you think damdred is town? If so then maybe. But even so I would say try make your own read. As for myself I have no idea about damdred allighnment but he was mafia lastgame and I hard townread him so I feel like it is possible that when i can't go either way on damdred it might mean he is town. That's not a read id stick to though. I also don't care to make a read on rayn at this point because it will probably sort itself out after the lynch to be totally honest. Moosy i think is scum. I think ruxxar had a good observation with the discrepancy with how he acted towards ruxxor compared to how he explained ruxxars play to me. The way moosey dismissed my read on ruxxar so early it really feels like he shouldnt have then flipped later and started getting pissed at ruxx for not giving reads since that was like the basis of him dismissing my post. He also keeps saying he will give townreads and POE and i havnt seen him attempt this yet. Do you disagree at all about moosey? Also about the card stuff I seem to remember (correct me if im wrong) you getting annoyed when you thought people weren't playing properly. Like i don't think any of this is allighnment indicitive butI remember you posting some preachy posts in the later stages of the game we were masons about how people should play properly. Why are you so relaxed this game like whats changed? | ||
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. | ||
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