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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 00:07 GMT
#621
On July 25 2015 04:25 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 25 2015 04:23 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
[quote]
Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words.

I think I may be able to clear up this misunderstanding between Rels and ruXxar. When ruXxar says "it's from another voice mafia game" he could be talking about the "finnski claims cop" line, instead of still talking about the Yakuza claim.


What's your opinion on moosy?
What do you think about my evaluation of you being more warm and jokey than usual?

COUGH YOU'RE evaluation about him being more warm? I was the first one to point that out thank you very much. But then again the only thing you can do is hop on wagons so I guess I shouldn't have expected anything else.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 25 2015 00:10 GMT
#622

Day 1 Votecount
Day 1 ends in 24 hours


barakos (3): raynpelikoneet, disinformation, Damdred
Rels(1): n00bKing
MoosyDoosy (1): Ruxxar
Not voting(8):Rels, MoosyDoosy, Sulfurus, Barakos, NocturneMage, Flexes, Ticktock, Breshke
Barakos is currently set to be lynched! You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote!

Day ends in 22 hours 50 Minutes
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 00:12 GMT
#623
On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.

This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it.

First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost.

Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect.

Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 00:16 GMT
#624
On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out?

Damdred:

- don't like opening post, forced.
- tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain.

...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious.


How so? It's the lazy man approach.

Damdred thinks like this:

"Fuck I am scum again, boring shit"
"Ruxx said a lot of crap"
"I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI"
"I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"

Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.

ruXxar as a hint of advice, don't try to understand other people's thought process. That's a bad thing because you can literally twist anyone's "thought process" to make it look like they're Mafia. What you should do is look at posts and find tone reads or slips. And the contradictions you tried to force onto me are like the ones that batsnacks forced on geript. There's a difference between scumslips and contradictions. A way to get better at Mafia is discerning this.

Just some friendly advice since this is a newbie game after all.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 00:20 GMT
#625
On July 25 2015 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town.

you can argue that on N1.
Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia.

hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch.


Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day.

how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them?
and tell me how my case is bad.

right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy.


I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet.

And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town.
I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case.

why are you even talking to me about this right now?
Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch".

go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please.
say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!?

why?


Because it's logic.
What you say is not as important as what you do.
Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post.
It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him.

wow logic *mindexplosion.gif*

comment on the case please.
do not sidetrack. that's all you are doing right now in case you somehow cannot see it yourself.


On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out?

Damdred:

- don't like opening post, forced.
- tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain.

...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious.


How so? It's the lazy man approach.

Damdred thinks like this:

"Fuck I am scum again, boring shit"
"Ruxx said a lot of crap"
"I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI"
"I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"

Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.


Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi.

Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town.


ayeeE these are the posts I'm talking about.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 00:31 GMT
#626
Okay read through posts. Glad people realize ruXxar is a dumb.

But whatever. It looks like the important portion of this day was in the last few pages so I'll read over it, look at filters, and decide which camp to take place in.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
July 25 2015 00:45 GMT
#627
Damdred, why is rayn town?

You are likely the only person who might have a decent meta read on him.
I can take that responsibility.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 25 2015 00:49 GMT
#628
##Vote Barakos

Yeah i dont believe that post was a reaction test he was just trying to get out of a bad situation. Call me stupid but i didn't even think the original post was that bad.

On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

That's how i tend to post sometimes. Why explai neverything when you can force people into actually thinking why are posting the stuff you do? that, and his overall eagerness to read ruxxar and carefree attitude.

Anyways i had some doubts later, but i am back to thinking he is town.


The problem with this rayn is when promtpted to actually explain he dodged/didn't reply multiple times so he clearly didn't have an explanation. It then evolved into him wanting me to explain my read better. I get being ambiguous to get people to engage with you but when I and others asked him about why he posted this he had nothing.

I also don't think ruxxar is scum anymore
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
July 25 2015 00:54 GMT
#629
On July 25 2015 08:58 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote:
I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself.

Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness

Towns
  • raynpelikoneet
  • Damdred
  • Flexes
  • Breshke
  • ruXxar
  • rels


And ofcourse lynches in order of aproximate scumyness

Lynches
  • Barakos
  • MoosyDoosy
  • n00bKing
  • NocturneMage
  • TickTock
  • disformation


I apologize to disformation for putting your name on the list; I think your probably town but I needed a sixth name.


I am staring at this post for quite some time now. No idea where to begin with this...
1) I don't think this is how auto works... auto is when you have overwhelming evidence on one or more scum members. I don't see overwhelming evidence anywhere. Auto also suggests you are done putting any effort into this game...
2) I am quite positive that mafia will at least try to shoot someone every night. So I have no idea how you can work under the assumption of having 6 lynches.
3) At least 7 town reads? Do you have 7 town reads, or do you have 8 town reads, or do you have 9 town reads?
4) Super setup for stuff like "oh I would rather lynch #1 of my scum list, but I can settle for #5, too". Which is pretty scummy...
5) General lack of explanation for anything.
6) Total wrong mindset for town? This reads to me as "instead of finding and lynching the most scummiest person around, I'll just do a huge PoE list (which has half of the players on it) and be content to lynch to that.

I don't even... oO


      On Daily Mafia 'auto' is when you have so many town that you can no longer lose the game which is what I have.

      And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get.

      This is just how I like to think about the game, IMO the goal is not to lynch the scummiest person on a particular day but to use every resource available to us (including lynches) to kill the entire mafia team.

And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on).
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
July 25 2015 00:57 GMT
#630
##Vote: Barakos
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 25 2015 01:09 GMT
#631
On July 25 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.

This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it.

First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost.

Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect.

Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway.

Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus.

I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride.
I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing.
I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed.

I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way.

But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock).

I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 25 2015 01:32 GMT
#632
On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 08:58 disformation wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote:
I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself.

Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness

Towns
  • raynpelikoneet
  • Damdred
  • Flexes
  • Breshke
  • ruXxar
  • rels


And ofcourse lynches in order of aproximate scumyness

Lynches
  • Barakos
  • MoosyDoosy
  • n00bKing
  • NocturneMage
  • TickTock
  • disformation


I apologize to disformation for putting your name on the list; I think your probably town but I needed a sixth name.


I am staring at this post for quite some time now. No idea where to begin with this...
1) I don't think this is how auto works... auto is when you have overwhelming evidence on one or more scum members. I don't see overwhelming evidence anywhere. Auto also suggests you are done putting any effort into this game...
2) I am quite positive that mafia will at least try to shoot someone every night. So I have no idea how you can work under the assumption of having 6 lynches.
3) At least 7 town reads? Do you have 7 town reads, or do you have 8 town reads, or do you have 9 town reads?
4) Super setup for stuff like "oh I would rather lynch #1 of my scum list, but I can settle for #5, too". Which is pretty scummy...
5) General lack of explanation for anything.
6) Total wrong mindset for town? This reads to me as "instead of finding and lynching the most scummiest person around, I'll just do a huge PoE list (which has half of the players on it) and be content to lynch to that.

I don't even... oO


      On Daily Mafia 'auto' is when you have so many town that you can no longer lose the game which is what I have.

      And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get.

      This is just how I like to think about the game, IMO the goal is not to lynch the scummiest person on a particular day but to use every resource available to us (including lynches) to kill the entire mafia team.

And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on).


Okay. You are so sure in your town reads after half of D1 you think you can no longer lose this game?

If we lynch 4 townies in a row we lose (assuming 1 nk each night). Which is why I want to lynch the scummiest (read as in: the person with the highest chance to flip scum) person.

Quite possible that we just approach this differently.

And my biggest problem is that you didn't explain any of your reads... so I am a bit of a mind to ask you to explain ALL of them... let me think of a few more interesting ones first...
Your Flexes read was the strangest one for me, but you explained that for a bit already. Although I am note sure if I would give Flexes that much town cred for that... but oh well moving on.
I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice.
Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 25 2015 02:11 GMT
#633
Yeah sulfurus is town
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 25 2015 02:14 GMT
#634
But sulf explain to me why noobking is scummy
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 25 2015 03:16 GMT
#635
On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town

Reasoning?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 25 2015 04:24 GMT
#636
On July 25 2015 12:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town

Reasoning?


His like third? post in the game was him posting an auto list.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
July 25 2015 04:37 GMT
#637
Breshke, old Buddie ^.^

Talk to me a bit.

What do you make of Damdred? Should I accept his town read on rayn?

What do you think of Moosy?

Oh and of course, the card I drew for you...
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I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
July 25 2015 04:51 GMT
#638
I was a bit worried about n00b earlier in the game here which is why I gave him a card. He just didn't seem very interested, and opening with a vote against Ruxx didn't boad well.

However his posting has gotten much better and has been seeming more like his usual self.

This post especially sold me:
On July 25 2015 10:09 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.

This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it.

First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost.

Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect.

Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway.

Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus.

I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride.
I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing.
I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed.

I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way.

But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock).

I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say.


So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy.
I can take that responsibility.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 25 2015 04:55 GMT
#639
On July 25 2015 13:37 Tictock wrote:
Breshke, old Buddie ^.^

Talk to me a bit.

What do you make of Damdred? Should I accept his town read on rayn?

What do you think of Moosy?

Oh and of course, the card I drew for you...
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Well that depends. Do you think damdred is town? If so then maybe. But even so I would say try make your own read.

As for myself I have no idea about damdred allighnment but he was mafia lastgame and I hard townread him so I feel like it is possible that when i can't go either way on damdred it might mean he is town. That's not a read id stick to though.

I also don't care to make a read on rayn at this point because it will probably sort itself out after the lynch to be totally honest.

Moosy i think is scum. I think ruxxar had a good observation with the discrepancy with how he acted towards ruxxor compared to how he explained ruxxars play to me. The way moosey dismissed my read on ruxxar so early it really feels like he shouldnt have then flipped later and started getting pissed at ruxx for not giving reads since that was like the basis of him dismissing my post.

He also keeps saying he will give townreads and POE and i havnt seen him attempt this yet.

Do you disagree at all about moosey?

Also about the card stuff I seem to remember (correct me if im wrong) you getting annoyed when you thought people weren't playing properly. Like i don't think any of this is allighnment indicitive butI remember you posting some preachy posts in the later stages of the game we were masons about how people should play properly. Why are you so relaxed this game like whats changed?
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
July 25 2015 05:02 GMT
#640
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


      At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia.

      Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.
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