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On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough.  Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter? Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses.
Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout.
So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given.
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On July 25 2015 17:14 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. I see three different things wrong with this post from Sulfurus. And will award 5 Townie points to each player who notices one of them before I point it out. Two of them have already been pointed out, during discussion on Page 33. 1) I have never heard anyone talk about the "shape" of someone's posts as possibly being alignment-indicative. That's just not terminology that is used. Sulfurus later talks about Trfel and myself having distinctive formatting. That could make it difficult for us to Smurf or something, but did Trfel's distinctive formatting actually change, when his alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did, so what is he talking about? Did my distinctive formatting actually change, when my alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did (and he's never seen my alignment change) so what is he talking about? I don't see any indication that Barakos using the same "shape" in his posts would actually mean he's Town again, so there wouldn't be anything to get "very excited" about. All of this is dumb. For calling attention to it, I'll give Ticktock 5 Townie Points. 2) Sulfurus "starts with the read on Barakos" even though it was the one that people would be least interested to hear about, and then left for hours. And when he came back and posted again, he still didn't explain the controversial reads that people would actually be curious about. For calling attention to that, I'll give Breshke 5 Townie Points. 3) ???? Whoever points out this problem in Sulfurus' post, will get another 5 Townie Points. In Sulfurus' defense (yeah, I said it!) he didn't really make a full-on list post in either of his two recent scum games. He kinda/sorta gave reads, but there wasn't a list post like this one. Whereas there was, in Newbie X (where he was Town). On the other hand, considering that he was lynched EARLY in each of those scum games, you would think he would try to do SOMETHING to change up his scum game, even if it's just copycatting some of his behavior from Newbie X (since I've made it clear that I'm pretty familiar with all 3 of his previous games).
You and trfel were just examples of people with distinctive shapes it doesn't seem to be alignment for you and I don't know how trfel posts when's he's town (btw trfel's big 'case' posts are long and thin, and for you most of your posts are standard but some of them like the one I'm replying too are overly 'dense' for some reason).
Barakos is interesting because all of his posts when he was town had that rectangular shape I talked about but here only his first post was like that. I think it's because he was originally trying very hard to imitate his town game but couldn't keep it up in his later posts.
Now I'll go to bed.
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On July 25 2015 17:26 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter? Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses. Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout. So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given.
This one too. It's also dense.
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On July 25 2015 17:12 Rels wrote:
Now I'll cover the accusation against me. I'll try to not do the same as newbie XI where I covered the thread with pages of defense. Actually thinking about it could it be what mafia wanted ... meh we'll see later.
Doubt it? Because when you did that in Newbie XI it worked, and you went from having 7 votes on you to having 0, and were never lynched.
On July 25 2015 17:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:
Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.
But why does that not apply to his opening post as well? Because it has nothing to do with him being newbie. The fact is he prepared his post before posting. Now I'll let you analyze that fact as newbie indicative if that is your wish. For my part I think it's scum indicative.
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
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On July 25 2015 17:24 Rels wrote:If you're mafia that will make you happy: I cursed out loudly reading this post and woke up my GF. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:14 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 06:38 disformation wrote:
1) This one Okay. I guess I don't see that read on you as being "wonky." It's just WEAK. So again, I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1. we are not lynching rels 100%. Oh? Is there any reason why you think Rels might be Town? I don't see one, from viewing your filter.
Will you curse even more loudly when you see that rayn did NOT try to give me a reason why he thinks you might be Town? And that instead, he simply refused to defend you?
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On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:14 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. I see three different things wrong with this post from Sulfurus. And will award 5 Townie points to each player who notices one of them before I point it out. Two of them have already been pointed out, during discussion on Page 33. 1) I have never heard anyone talk about the "shape" of someone's posts as possibly being alignment-indicative. That's just not terminology that is used. Sulfurus later talks about Trfel and myself having distinctive formatting. That could make it difficult for us to Smurf or something, but did Trfel's distinctive formatting actually change, when his alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did, so what is he talking about? Did my distinctive formatting actually change, when my alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did (and he's never seen my alignment change) so what is he talking about? I don't see any indication that Barakos using the same "shape" in his posts would actually mean he's Town again, so there wouldn't be anything to get "very excited" about. All of this is dumb. For calling attention to it, I'll give Ticktock 5 Townie Points. 2) Sulfurus "starts with the read on Barakos" even though it was the one that people would be least interested to hear about, and then left for hours. And when he came back and posted again, he still didn't explain the controversial reads that people would actually be curious about. For calling attention to that, I'll give Breshke 5 Townie Points. 3) ???? Whoever points out this problem in Sulfurus' post, will get another 5 Townie Points. In Sulfurus' defense (yeah, I said it!) he didn't really make a full-on list post in either of his two recent scum games. He kinda/sorta gave reads, but there wasn't a list post like this one. Whereas there was, in Newbie X (where he was Town). On the other hand, considering that he was lynched EARLY in each of those scum games, you would think he would try to do SOMETHING to change up his scum game, even if it's just copycatting some of his behavior from Newbie X (since I've made it clear that I'm pretty familiar with all 3 of his previous games). You and trfel were just examples of people with distinctive shapes it doesn't seem to be alignment for you and I don't know how trfel posts when's he's town (btw trfel's big 'case' posts are long and thin, and for you most of your posts are standard but some of them like the one I'm replying too are overly 'dense' for some reason).
Then again, I think it is silly to raise either Trfel or myself as examples, when those examples don't actually support your argument against Barakos.
On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote: Barakos is interesting because all of his posts when he was town had that rectangular shape I talked about but here only his first post was like that.
Again, there were many posts from him in Newbie X that didn't have that shape. Again, the post in this game that you are referencing was not the last one in this game that DID have that shape. Again, there are good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This stuff isn't it.
On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote:
I think it's because he was originally trying very hard to imitate his town game but couldn't keep it up in his later posts.
He couldn't keep it going for more than ONE post, huh? He emulated his Town game for a whole ONE post, and then he was spent? That's your argument?
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On July 25 2015 17:33 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:26 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter? Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses. Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout. So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given. This one too. It's also dense.
Yep. That post had dense formatting too. And you should, like, read it.
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Okay, I'm off to bed too. I'll be dreaming of a world where we have 3 Nooses today. So that we could just lynch Barakos, and Sulfurus, and Rels, and see if we win yet.
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Ok, I actually can't get my thoughts straight enough here for a good post, so here is the quick and dirty.
stuff I dont like about ryan
-Used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara
-very pushy and argumentative
-2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads
-spammy filter of quick one liner-ish posts
a few other things that are kinda meh and probably nai
sorry, my mind just started wandering in circles when I was trying to do quotes and dig through filters right now.... especially when I was looking at the Bara stuff.
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OK let's take care of noobking's accusation shall we. I'll rewrite noobking's case 'cause it's so not synthetized at all.
Why is Rels mafia: an ironic accusation
One
Talking about NocturneMage, Rels said he claimed VT when NM never did it. Furthermore, when asked why he did that, he tried to dismiss the point, before changing his story to "I used VT to mean townie".
Two
Still talking about NocturneMage's first post, Rels affirmed it was prepared. When other people made the remark that the post couldn't be prepared 'cause it contained info from after the game started, Rels explained that "prepared post" meant he prepared his post before posting, not before the game.
Three
Two times as Rels changed his story. That shows he's inconsistent.
Forth
Rels misrepresented noobking's position.
Fifth
Rels made a forced case, 'cause if he believed NM made a prepared post, he didn't explain how that made him mafia.
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Oh yea before I forget to respond to Rels till the morning.
Thought you were kinda scummy off that entrance post it felt forced, since then you've been more like a weak town read.
I don't have much trouble seeing newbie town opening like that. Trying to comment about a few things to start then asking a few questions. Pretty null overall imo.
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OK to answer this.
Introduction
The case is entirely based on my first post and my reactions to people talking about it, so read it.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.
One
The fact that I used VT to mean townie is NAI. The accusation part of this point is that I tried to swip it under the rug when mentioned.
But that is not true. I will put you in my head; and by that I mean, read these posts with the idea that VT=townie.
On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VTtownie claim + fluff about beer.
On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:
1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VTtownie claim in there?
Can you now understand why I said:
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:
Point 1 is useless.
Cause NM effectively claimed townie, and I believed I said that. So: I didn't change my story.
Two
I already explained that by prepared post I meant he prepared his post before posting it, not that he prepared his post before the game. Furthermore, read my case when the idea that "prepared post = prepared before the game"; it doesn't make any sense.
What is even more ironic about that point is that I answered it super early in the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
So once again, I didn't change my story.
Three
See the point 1&2; never changed my story.
Four
noobking said this:
On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:
3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them?
In this post he's asking why I thought NM's prepared post was necessarily scum indicative. It is a good interrogation (that I already answered to ruxxar super early in the game). So I post this:
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:
Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do.
So I never misrepresented noobking's position.
Fifth
That is the worse point, as it cleary show that noobking didn't read the game.
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
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On July 25 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, I'm off to bed too. I'll be dreaming of a world where we have 3 Nooses today. So that we could just lynch Barakos, and Sulfurus, and Rels, and see if we win yet.
Good timing.
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On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote:
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
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On July 25 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote:
Oh yea before I forget to respond to Rels till the morning.
Thought you were kinda scummy off that entrance post it felt forced, since then you've been more like a weak town read.
I don't have much trouble seeing newbie town opening like that. Trying to comment about a few things to start then asking a few questions. Pretty null overall imo.
OK and what do you think of his whole filter ?
Didn't remark a lot of your recent posts 'cause I was focusing on noobking, what are your strongest townies / scums ?
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By the way TT outside of all game consideration: I completely ignored your tarot stuff 'cause it's all NAI, but it was pretty cool.
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Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me .
On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game.
I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx.
In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere.
This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out.
There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it.
I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD.
##Vote: MoosyDoosy
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On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.
Also outside of all game consideration, that made me laugh pretty hard. =D
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I'm off to bed as well but
@ Rels
Noc reads overall null to me right now, I don't recall if it was you or someone else but the comment about Flex having done more in fewer posts was solid. Still not enough for me to really think he's scum.
Noob is my strongest townread atm. Dis also looks to be pretty towny and as I remember him in past games.
I'm thinking scum is somewhere in MD, ryan, Dam, Sul, and possibly Bre.
The stuff on Bara isn't convincing me, but it's also not bad and Bara hasn't responded in awhile now... I've got no real issues if he gets lynched.
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Useful list of useless people
Sulfurus
Barakos
Flexes
Sulfurus posted an auto list. Since then, he discussed almost entirely Barakos, when one off post on why Flexes is town. In particular this line is damning:
On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.
He "started with his read on Barakos" (that was easy to make considering the thread sentiment) ... and never continue.
Flexes, I liked his first two posts for a newbie, but three post in 35 hours is not acceptable. Even more after that:
On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.
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