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Damdred is... probably town? I don't know I am getting a weird feeling from him right now. My only game with him I was mafia and he was town so I'd rate my ability to read him as a "meh"
I kinda agree about Mossy, I'll get to my read of him a little later. I did give him a card earlier for a reason.
As for the Tarot... Well you should recall that I enjoyed batsnacks little I-ching read that game. I've been wanting to do something similar.
Mostly people decided to ignore it, which is possibly the correct response ^.^ It does kinda force me to stop, not that I ever intended to be that useless all game.
So Bre, tell me. Why do you seem so off this game?
Like, you don't seem to be trying very hard to get reads. The first half of the day you really only talked about ruXx or MD, now your suddenly jumping on board this Bara wagon (which I'm not sold on) and are giving away a town read on sulf for basically nothing.
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On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough.  Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.
Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here.
Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter?
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On July 25 2015 14:19 Tictock wrote:
Damdred is... probably town? I don't know I am getting a weird feeling from him right now. My only game with him I was mafia and he was town so I'd rate my ability to read him as a "meh"
I kinda agree about Mossy, I'll get to my read of him a little later. I did give him a card earlier for a reason.
As for the Tarot... Well you should recall that I enjoyed batsnacks little I-ching read that game. I've been wanting to do something similar.
Mostly people decided to ignore it, which is possibly the correct response ^.^ It does kinda force me to stop, not that I ever intended to be that useless all game.
So Bre, tell me. Why do you seem so off this game?
Like, you don't seem to be trying very hard to get reads. The first half of the day you really only talked about ruXx or MD, now your suddenly jumping on board this Bara wagon (which I'm not sold on) and are giving away a town read on sulf for basically nothing.
Ok that makes sense I guess.
If you are comparing this to our mason game it isn't going to be the same, there i was more enthusiastic partly because i felt like i owed it to you. This phase is also over friday/saturday for me which is not good for me.
Was there much more to talk about? I'm fairly sure i also said i thought noobking was town. The bara wagon is good, even if it isn't I think bara is skilled enough to convince me/others that he is town so there isn't really much more to look into about him at the moment if he doesn't come back.
The sulf read might seem like nothing but tell me if he is mafia why does he put out an auto list. He even has said that he will discuss the reads when people ask. Like why does mafia do this especially when they are usually an inactive player. It just feels so out there that sulf as mafia with perfect imformation thinks to himself yeah i will put out a list where ive solved the game in my third post.
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@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything.
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@ Sul
Why are you so certain that Flex and Damdred are town?
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On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything.
I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well.
How is the timing weird?
What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response.
Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in.
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Also general things like thread sentiment can be a bit meh like for example im scumeading moosey and bara. That is thread sentiment and ive taken less hard stances than sul did in that one post yet you havn't said you thought it was scummy that im following thread sentiment.
Yes i get that other than that point mine and sulfs play has been different but having that as one of the main things you don't like about him is very general and it is easy to scumread an inactive player for stuff like that.
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Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well...
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On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well...
Upon reflection I realize how stupid this sounds...
Carry on.
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On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well...
Then ask him specifically about those people?
You most recently asked him about damdred and flex and from what i can tell you agree with him that damdred is town so leave that for now and ask specifically about the reads you disagree with.. If sulf is town he wants to engage with people about his list and if it is a "las ditch effort" from a sulf mafia then it will be hard for him to back his list up with reasoning
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Humm I'm having a harder time putting together my thoughts at this juncture than I thought I would.
I'm not a fan of this Bara wagon, the reasons seem flimsy to me and it's mostly just one post that people keep pushing to show that he's scum. Him saying it was a reaction test is meh. The only thing that really seems off to me is that he stopped posting after rayn kept putting pressure on him.
This would mean more to me if I weren't reading rayn as scum.
I was going to include my read on rayn here, but since he has managed to fill 6 pages of filter already this might need it's own post.
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On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter?
Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses.
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Alright here I go. I have a lot of things to say.
Let's begin with the beginning. As promised I re evaluated Barakos. Well, that was easy since he didn't post since yesterday.
In particular, I checked rayn's additional accusation to my and Damdred's case, and it's true rayn was the second people to call Barakos mafia; but Barakos always forgot him on his townreads, only calling Damdred and I town.
I still do not think it's the strongest point against him though rayn sry, this bullshit about reaction test is much worse IMO.
Pretty convinced he's scum.
##Vote Barakos
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On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote:
And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get. Okay. You are so sure in your town reads after half of D1 you think you can no longer lose this game? If we lynch 4 townies in a row we lose (assuming 1 nk each night).
I see what Sulfurus is saying about the 6 lynches, but I haven't seen anyone express it that way before. We only get 6 lynches if three of them are right. Because like you say, 4 mislynches can end the game. Which all means that if Sulfurus were to have even ONE bad guy (including himself, of course) in his townpile, then following his 'auto' blueprint would guarantee that the Town loses. He has to be absolutely right about all 7 of his townreads (again, including himself) or following his lists is a one-way ticket to a Mafia victory.
His confidence in his lists doesn't make me scumread him any more than I would have before, however. Because that confidence is just as strange if he's one alignment as it is if he's the other, given that his track record so far here is:
Town - Gets himself mislynched
Scum - Gets himself lynched Day 2
Scum - Gets himself lynched Day 1
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On July 25 2015 13:51 Tictock wrote:
So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy.
Neat! Cuz I didn't even wanna get lynched anyway! :D
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Now I'll cover the accusation against me. I'll try to not do the same as newbie XI where I covered the thread with pages of defense. Actually thinking about it could it be what mafia wanted ... meh we'll see later.
On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +
Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.
But why does that not apply to his opening post as well?
Because it has nothing to do with him being newbie. The fact is he prepared his post before posting.
Now I'll let you analyze that fact as newbie indicative if that is your wish. For my part I think it's scum indicative.
And you didn't answer the fucking question.
On July 25 2015 04:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:Most of my reads will have to come later tonight when I have decent time, besides much like reading tarot reading people can often be an interesting battle of interpretations. This causes the read to change and flow as new elements are discovered. For now... On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. I find it very interesting that Rels decided to dedicate his entire opening to attack another players opening. The entire time I was reading his idea about Noc giving us a forced opening post I'm thinking "what a forced read on someone this is" Rels even mentions
Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.
But why does that not apply to his opening post as well? So when are you reaching a conclusion or asking me a question ?
(edited the question a bit so it's clearer)
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On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.
I see three different things wrong with this post from Sulfurus. And will award 5 Townie points to each player who notices one of them before I point it out. Two of them have already been pointed out, during discussion on Page 33.
1) I have never heard anyone talk about the "shape" of someone's posts as possibly being alignment-indicative. That's just not terminology that is used. Sulfurus later talks about Trfel and myself having distinctive formatting. That could make it difficult for us to Smurf or something, but did Trfel's distinctive formatting actually change, when his alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did, so what is he talking about? Did my distinctive formatting actually change, when my alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did (and he's never seen my alignment change) so what is he talking about? I don't see any indication that Barakos using the same "shape" in his posts would actually mean he's Town again, so there wouldn't be anything to get "very excited" about. All of this is dumb.
For calling attention to it, I'll give Ticktock 5 Townie Points.
2) Sulfurus "starts with the read on Barakos" even though it was the one that people would be least interested to hear about, and then left for hours. And when he came back and posted again, he still didn't explain the controversial reads that people would actually be curious about.
For calling attention to that, I'll give Breshke 5 Townie Points.
3) ????
Whoever points out this problem in Sulfurus' post, will get another 5 Townie Points.
In Sulfurus' defense (yeah, I said it!) he didn't really make a full-on list post in either of his two recent scum games. He kinda/sorta gave reads, but there wasn't a list post like this one. Whereas there was, in Newbie X (where he was Town). On the other hand, considering that he was lynched EARLY in each of those scum games, you would think he would try to do SOMETHING to change up his scum game, even if it's just copycatting some of his behavior from Newbie X (since I've made it clear that I'm pretty familiar with all 3 of his previous games).
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@Ticktock this is why I think Flexes is town.
I'm going to bed now I'll be back in about 11 hours.
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Still reading to see if noobking has made other posts about me. And wow ruxxar is really pushing for my no-lynch. To the point where it's fucking weird.
On July 25 2015 06:42 ruXxar wrote:
No one is fucking lynching rels or dis formation today.
Over my dead body.
If you want to lynch rels then lynch me first.
That's all I got to say.
On July 25 2015 06:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
Ruxxor you just town read me and now say I'm scum what are you doing I'm saying your tone is flip flopping all over the place. Angry damdred = town. Mellow damdred = scum. And that rels lynch is never happening. Just forget about it.
There were no posts talking about me between those 3 minutes.
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If you're mafia that will make you happy: I cursed out loudly reading this post and woke up my GF.
On July 25 2015 07:14 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 06:38 disformation wrote:
1) This one Okay. I guess I don't see that read on you as being "wonky." It's just WEAK. So again, I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1. we are not lynching rels 100%. Oh? Is there any reason why you think Rels might be Town? I don't see one, from viewing your filter.
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