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On July 24 2015 10:15 disformation wrote:
Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that.
Won't forget that.
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On July 24 2015 07:00 LightningStrike wrote: I will also be using Xata's voting tool so make sure you spell the names correct and stuff.
Couldn't find the link! Can you post it ?
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On July 24 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred town.
Noobking town.
Ruxxar town.
Moosy town.
Dis-something guy town.
Barakos mafia.
##vote Barakos
Reasons for moosy town?
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On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.  On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:
I am town. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story. [...] The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor. Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (= 'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.
Sure. (=
Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?
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What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it.
OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning.
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:Initial reads before anything else happens Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town. And then my first weird feeling came from this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough.  Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny. Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply. So it starts with this On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play: Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it. He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen. Ah, but my goal is clear and simple. Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed. When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts. Am I scum, am I town? As you judge me, I judge you. A dead thread benefits no one. Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear. The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it. On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? A read from a sentence? What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon? The timing, his motivation, his meta? A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for. I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors. The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life. I read you clear as a book. Your alignment is town. While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted. I think ruxxar is scum Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia. Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.
What do you mean with "You might be onto something here Damdred" ? What are your thoughts on ruxxar ?
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Leaving to eat very soon. To the guy or girl reading this:
If you are ruxxar, rayn, moosy or a host I asked you a question and would very much like an answer.
If you played or read Newbie X, I would like to have your thoughts on Barakos' filter compared to Newbie X.
And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage.
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On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.
Ah, the pre-planned accusation.
Classic mafia style. #self-meta.
Your prepared argument is non-sense.
How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started?
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On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started?
No you don't get it.
I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post.
Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
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Yeah Rels that's not very good case.
I will answer you when i get home from work. Quoting pain in the ass On phone.
I basically just read and post simple thoughts when i am not on computer.
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On July 24 2015 10:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Barakos how many games of Mafia have you played. Also if Breshke can answer this as well.
3rd time playing mafia... other games were Newbie LVIII and NSM X
On July 24 2015 18:00 Rels wrote:Like some other people in the thread, I also found Barakos super weird. Especially since like some guys also playing, I played my first game with him in Newbie X, and in that game he was very logical and straightforward in his posts. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!
Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.
Fluff, very different from his first post in Newbie X where he was already analyzing disfo's filter. And this post is so unlike him I feel: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post is not how I remember Barakos playing. It's just supposition without conclusions. And this part is super ironic: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!
Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.
LOL
That's basically the reaction I would have expected from everyone playing with me for a longer time in NSM X. Strong townread of Rels atm.
Also a slightly weaker townlean on Damdred for pointing it out as well.
What I want to point out is disformations behavior.
He has several posts (see spoilers below), saying he has shadowed player X in that game and player Y in this game and will reread all those games to get a read on ruxxar because his tone is so completely different from the other games.
But when I come into the thread with fluff (something I never did in NSM X, where he played with me for the entire game), he doesn't pick it up at all and sees no difference in my behavior, even though he claims to be looking for meta-hints and stuff like that. The only thing he did was putting me to null and saying he wants to see more of me.
This inconsistency makes me put him in the scum-corner for now.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 08:21 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:13 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 08:06 disformation wrote:Eh, I like this style/tone a lot more than the one he had in his two previous games. Meaning Himalayas and Gaiden, where he was scum? I didn't play in either of those games. How would you summarize his style/tone in them? Yes, I was shadowing a town player (Onegu in Himalayas and Half the Sky in Gaiden). Both games were pretty long, ruxXar's filters are 13 and 25 pages respectively so it is not that easy to summarize. But what I can remember: while he is good at marking arguments and sounding logically his posts often sound preachy. I also remember disliking a bunch of his posts in Himalayas because he was pretty aggressive/pushy with them. Will possibly reread his filters from both games at a later stage of this game. On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:
I am town. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. On July 24 2015 10:15 disformation wrote:
Going to bed. Hope I can sleep in this heat. -.-
Where I currently stand:
Breshke: Asking questions. Let us see what he does when he gets answers.
NocturneMage: Seems like an eager player trying to figure out how forum mafia works. Seems curious/inquisitive. town lean.
ruxXar: Basically opened up the thread with stuff to talk about. A lot of null stuff. Slight town as result.
n00bKing: did a few things for town cred. Unfortunately both(*) were super easy for mafia to do, too. So null.
barakos: hmmm... lets call it null for now. Want to see more from him.
Damdred: Just read his strong entry (his 2nd post). Like the post.
Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that. Town read as of now.
(*): a) asking me about ruxxars previous games. b) pointing out that I am unable to count.
PS: Also my 3rd game here. :D
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Oh wait. Yeah that in fact makes more sense Rels.
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On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
I disagree. Weak argument.
His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself.
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So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?
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On July 24 2015 18:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia. I disagree. Weak argument. His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself.
As you say, it is not a strong argument, but it is a scumlean regardless, at least for me.
A disagree with the "share of himself" things, of course his coach will tell him to post if he's mafia. Posting questions is the easy way to post without slipping.
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On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?
My thoughts exactly.
AFK lunch for a few hours so I'll leave you continuing this.
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On July 24 2015 18:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia. I disagree. Weak argument. His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself.
It is not a weak argument.
Rels is talking about his opening post. Not about what he posted after.
Mafia (especially newer ppl) often have hard time entering the thread.
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@ruxxar
On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:
I am town. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story. [...] The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor. Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (= 'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike. Sure. (= Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?
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On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:@ruxxar Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:
I am town. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story. [...] The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor. Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (= 'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike. Sure. (= Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?
It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.
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On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage.
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:
No you don't get it.
I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post.
Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
I don't think you can really read something into people thinking about their posts before they click on "Post". It's the start of a newbie-game so people will be nervous about not saying the wrong thing and think a bit harder about what they write. So yes... you are right that the post covers a lot of topics and seems not written freely but I don't think this is alignment-indicative yet.
What I found more suspicious about his filter is the following:
On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:
He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia.
Do you think he's mafia?
On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his?
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?
I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?
He has made 6 posts an in 3 of them he is asking people about their reads and if they thing someone is mafia or not.
The other 3 were the entry-post you mentioned and 2 posts are him talking about his rl-mafia-experience.
There is no sign of independent thinking and the questions he puts up all concern the opinion others have about someone else. To me this looks like scum trying to find angles for a misslynch.
So while I don't like your case that much, I like the suspicion about NocturneMage.
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On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?
Obviously to get reactions from people?
And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post...
I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed.
And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well:
Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame.
Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people.
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