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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
July 24 2015 10:14 GMT
#261
On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?


Obviously to get reactions from people?

And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post...

I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed.

And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well:
Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame.

Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people.


Quoted for my filter so i remember this tonight.
table for two on a tv tray
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
July 24 2015 10:41 GMT
#262
Drew a few cards for some of ya. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your card and give me your impression of it.

People chosen by some means.

n00b - 4 of Wands - Completion
+ Show Spoiler +
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rayn - 4 of Cups - Luxury
+ Show Spoiler +
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Moosy - Knight of Swords
+ Show Spoiler +
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ruXx - Ace of Disks
+ Show Spoiler +
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Noc -7 of Wands - Valor
+ Show Spoiler +
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Flex - Kight of Cups
+ Show Spoiler +
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I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:09 GMT
#263
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side.


Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.

On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:

I am town.


Do I smell a thinly veiled threat?

Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example.

My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.




Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:13 GMT
#264
On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?


Obviously to get reactions from people?

And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post...

I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed.

And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well:
Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame.

Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people.


Alright I think this discussion ends here. I think you're likely to be scum for your first two posts. You claim that it was a reaction test and you will now play like a townie; but outside of commenting my case, you didn't do anything outside of defending yourself today.

So for now my read of you is mafia lean, and no additionnal explanation on past posts will change that. I'll re-evaluate you at EOD.

BTW:
On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:
lynched N1

Doesn't work that way. =p
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:16 GMT
#265
On July 24 2015 19:03 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage.


Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:
No you don't get it.

I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post.

Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.


I don't think you can really read something into people thinking about their posts before they click on "Post". It's the start of a newbie-game so people will be nervous about not saying the wrong thing and think a bit harder about what they write. So yes... you are right that the post covers a lot of topics and seems not written freely but I don't think this is alignment-indicative yet.

What I found more suspicious about his filter is the following:

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:
He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia.

Do you think he's mafia?


Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his?


Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


He has made 6 posts an in 3 of them he is asking people about their reads and if they thing someone is mafia or not.
The other 3 were the entry-post you mentioned and 2 posts are him talking about his rl-mafia-experience.
There is no sign of independent thinking and the questions he puts up all concern the opinion others have about someone else. To me this looks like scum trying to find angles for a misslynch.

So while I don't like your case that much, I like the suspicion about NocturneMage.

Not agreeing of the first part obv., but yeah his whole filter is questions, noob claim and rl-mafia-experience.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 23:35:30
July 24 2015 12:19 GMT
#266
Day 1 Votecount

ruxxar (1): n00bKing
barakos (1): raynpelikoneet
nocturnemage (1): Rels
Not voting(10):MoosyDoosy, Sulfurus, Barakos, ruXxar, disinformation, NocturneMage, Flexes, Ticktock, Damdred, Breshke
ruXxar is currently set to be lynched! You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) on Saturday(Sunday for Europe) to vote! Also you can find the vote count here with a 15 minute delay Here.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:20 GMT
#267
On July 24 2015 21:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Also you can find the vote count here with a 15 minute delay Here.

TY (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:22 GMT
#268
On July 24 2015 21:19 LightningStrike wrote:

You got until 00:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote


The OP says:

On July 19 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes or night actions up to and including the deadline will count. One minute after the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the night post is posted. The deadline for each cycle will be 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 12:42:51
July 24 2015 12:40 GMT
#269
On July 24 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 21:19 LightningStrike wrote:

You got until 00:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote


The OP says:

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes or night actions up to and including the deadline will count. One minute after the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the night post is posted. The deadline for each cycle will be 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Conversion error on my part (I never had to do it myself till now forgot it still CDT not CST :|) Thanks for catching it!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 24 2015 12:43 GMT
#270
Barajas why do you give rels a strong town read for pointing out things I already did and you give me a much weaker tr?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 12:45 GMT
#271
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side.


Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.

On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:

I am town.


Do I smell a thinly veiled threat?

Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example.

My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:50 GMT
#272
@Moosy I reread carefully and I think I understand now the situation, so disregard this post:

On July 24 2015 18:20 Rels wrote:
What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it.

OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning.

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

What do you mean with "You might be onto something here Damdred" ? What are your thoughts on ruxxar ?

I'll explain what I thought the situation was so you can correct me if wrong.

Breshke posted a read of ruxxar:

On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

You read the line in bold (see the quote above) and thought Breshke meant ruxxar dodges this post:
On July 24 2015 09:09 Breshke wrote:
Ruxxar is noobking town or mafia?


When in reality, Breshke said ruxxar dodged a question about noobking here:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:53 GMT
#273
Yo Damdred I have a question for you: you asked moosy to elaborate on something but I didn't get what.

On July 24 2015 10:38 Damdred wrote:
Moosey I need you to elaborate a bit please


What did you want him to elaborate on ? And did he do it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 12:55 GMT
#274
On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side.


Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.

On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:

I am town.


Do I smell a thinly veiled threat?

Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example.

My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 13:01 GMT
#275
On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:
[quote]

Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.

[quote]

Do I smell a thinly veiled threat?

Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example.

My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words.


Words are immaterial, they are but a poor representation of the meanings we try to convey or conceal.
For those not in the know, it's an excellent reason to attack me. I welcome you to it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 13:06 GMT
#276
On July 24 2015 22:01 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
[quote]
My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words.


Words are immaterial, they are but a poor representation of the meanings we try to convey or conceal.
For those not in the know, it's an excellent reason to attack me. I welcome you to it.

I love the way you talk. (=
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 24 2015 13:11 GMT
#277
Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 13:14 GMT
#278
On July 24 2015 22:11 Damdred wrote:
Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly


?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 13:15 GMT
#279
I see..
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 13:17 GMT
#280
On July 24 2015 22:11 Damdred wrote:
Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly

OK thanks, so it was about this comment:

On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

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