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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 14:18 GMT
#301
On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop.
Show nested quote +
Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?!
Show nested quote +
Barakos wrote:
Noobking - totally top town for being able to count

lulz


Well I'm trying to see past the poetry and just look at the words he's using to describe people, although I see Damdred was able to get a read off ruxxar, my only hesitation with Damdred is when he says "tone and frequency" how is he so sure that ruXxar or anyone else isn't faking the tone with his poetry? I know the argument is made that mafia have hard time making reads but I thought from some of the games I've read before mafia can spam the thread too, so the frequency part of the argument doesn't make sense to me.

As for the disformation read, he is saying he waffles a lot which makes me hesistant to read him town, I don't know if he should be scum whether he's trying to make an excuse for himself early on but I need to read the rest of the thread.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 14:19 GMT
#302
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 14:24 GMT
#303
On July 24 2015 23:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.

Have you talked with n00bKing before? He's a good player but when he pressures it feels like a needle is being rammed into your brain as you start desperately backpedaling to get solid footing to defend yourself. Not to mention when you try and engage him in casual conversation he spurns it most of the time and uses it as a foothold to pressure him instead of

But in this game he's been a lot less active and less spiky. I'm not sure if it's because of the reasons he listed before or not so just keep an open mind about him until he starts posting.


No I haven't. Though I've read a few games I think I'm just going to read people on what I'm seeing in this game alone - people seem to be making references to past games and not sure how helpful that is when apparently some people are changing their play style apparently anyways.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 24 2015 14:25 GMT
#304
I also think nocturnemage could be mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 14:28 GMT
#305
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 14:28 GMT
#306
On July 24 2015 23:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.

Have you talked with n00bKing before? He's a good player but when he pressures it feels like a needle is being rammed into your brain as you start desperately backpedaling to get solid footing to defend yourself. Not to mention when you try and engage him in casual conversation he spurns it most of the time and uses it as a foothold to pressure him instead of

But in this game he's been a lot less active and less spiky. I'm not sure if it's because of the reasons he listed before or not so just keep an open mind about him until he starts posting.


No I haven't. Though I've read a few games I think I'm just going to read people on what I'm seeing in this game alone - people seem to be making references to past games and not sure how helpful that is when apparently some people are changing their play style apparently anyways.

This is a very good idea. Metagaming just starts to make things a lot more complicated than necessary.

It's just that I find n00bKing's slight change in behavior a bit strange because he's a stickler for consistency and I find it hard to believe he'd change his playstyle willingly. Eh, I've played with him in all his past games so I'll try and find his alignment.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 14:30 GMT
#307
On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.

Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 14:34 GMT
#308
Damdred is probably town, I think he's wrong on ruxxar, but he's probably town.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 14:38 GMT
#309
On July 24 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also think nocturnemage could be mafia.

Why ? I kinda like his recent posts.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 14:39 GMT
#310
On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.


That's great and all, but I think you are forgetting that my first post was made under 10 minutes after the game started. Not really a lot of anything useful to say at the beginning.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 14:42 GMT
#311
On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.

Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out?


Damdred:

- don't like opening post, forced.
- tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain.

Breshke:

- Too many words, too emotional, overly-defensive.

Moosy:

- Explanation of my meta is contrived.
- Says my town tone is glaringly obvious yet goes on to say he will suspect me hard.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 14:45 GMT
#312
On July 24 2015 23:39 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.


That's great and all, but I think you are forgetting that my first post was made under 10 minutes after the game started. Not really a lot of anything useful to say at the beginning.

You're mixing two things. The "useful content" thing is a comment of your other posts yesterday.

The problem with your first post is not that it lacks content. The problem is that it's clear that you thought long and hard about it, and talked about different subjects. Like you said, it was only 10 minutes after the game started, so I find it suspicious that you had to think that long to make that post.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 14:47 GMT
#313
Useful list of useless people
Sulfurus
Ticktock

If one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 14:48 GMT
#314
On July 24 2015 10:11 Flexes wrote:
hi everybody.
i'm new so i really don't know what to say and what conclusions to draw.

i don't know why ruxxor is so defensive about his "posting style" when the accusation against him is so baseless.
i still think you cannot tell either way though.
moosydoosy being the first one to point fingers to gain information gives him a slight townlean for me.


Somewhat of a waffly post and mafia don't really like to commit but it could be him also just new. I don't like ruxxar either but it's not the poetry that is a problem. But I still think it's waffly because I'd associate defensiveness in that manner as he's afraid of something, so I'm not sure why Flexes can't really tell unless he's afraid to make a read.

On July 24 2015 10:45 Flexes wrote:
i ment the accusation right at the beginning about the poetry stuff. i mean obviously it was not a well founded one but he still felt the need to explain himself for it in i think 2 posts.


He reasserts himself but doesn't really make a read, which I think is a scumlean.

As for the read on moosy, I assume it's based off this post -

On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone.


Which seems to make some sense, but not taking a stand on ruXxor sort of bugs me.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 14:48 GMT
#315
On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.

Can you give some explanations ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 14:56 GMT
#316
On July 24 2015 23:48 NocturneMage wrote:
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On July 24 2015 10:11 Flexes wrote:
hi everybody.
i'm new so i really don't know what to say and what conclusions to draw.

i don't know why ruxxor is so defensive about his "posting style" when the accusation against him is so baseless.
i still think you cannot tell either way though.
moosydoosy being the first one to point fingers to gain information gives him a slight townlean for me.


Somewhat of a waffly post and mafia don't really like to commit but it could be him also just new. I don't like ruxxar either but it's not the poetry that is a problem. But I still think it's waffly because I'd associate defensiveness in that manner as he's afraid of something, so I'm not sure why Flexes can't really tell unless he's afraid to make a read.

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On July 24 2015 10:45 Flexes wrote:
i ment the accusation right at the beginning about the poetry stuff. i mean obviously it was not a well founded one but he still felt the need to explain himself for it in i think 2 posts.


He reasserts himself but doesn't really make a read, which I think is a scumlean.

As for the read on moosy, I assume it's based off this post -

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On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone.


Which seems to make some sense, but not taking a stand on ruXxor sort of bugs me.

Well, it was 3 hours after the game started. I'm also curious to know what his updated read is.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 15:05 GMT
#317
On July 24 2015 23:48 Rels wrote:
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On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia.

My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that.

The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR"
I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia.


n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.

Can you give some explanations ?


Disformation - Ease of flow in his conversation. Straight to the point, no discernable scum motives. No inhibitions or veiling of his thoughts. Responds well to suspicion.

Rels -

Hungry for information. Asks questions not to appear interested, but because he actually wants to know the answers. Follows up and insists on getting answers if people ignore him.
Has made decent thoughts around the game, thinks outside the box and points out original content.

On July 24 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:
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On July 24 2015 22:01 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:55 Rels wrote:
@ruxxar

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:
[quote]
Important lesson for a mafia guy right ? (=


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?



It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

OK ruxxar. So this line:

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.


has two purposes:
- joke for those who knows it
- reaction test for mafia

Am I correct ?

And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ?

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.






Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words.


Words are immaterial, they are but a poor representation of the meanings we try to convey or conceal.
For those not in the know, it's an excellent reason to attack me. I welcome you to it.

I love the way you talk. (=

Natural and genuine. Just like that talk we had in our last game when I was telling you how I was thinking about mafia at work and at night.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 24 2015 15:07 GMT
#318
On July 24 2015 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:
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On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop.
Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?!
Barakos wrote:
Noobking - totally top town for being able to count

lulz


Well I'm trying to see past the poetry and just look at the words he's using to describe people, although I see Damdred was able to get a read off ruxxar, my only hesitation with Damdred is when he says "tone and frequency" how is he so sure that ruXxar or anyone else isn't faking the tone with his poetry? I know the argument is made that mafia have hard time making reads but I thought from some of the games I've read before mafia can spam the thread too, so the frequency part of the argument doesn't make sense to me.

As for the disformation read, he is saying he waffles a lot which makes me hesistant to read him town, I don't know if he should be scum whether he's trying to make an excuse for himself early on but I need to read the rest of the thread.

I don't like the bolded part at all.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
July 24 2015 15:08 GMT
#319
On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred:

- don't like opening post, forced.
- tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain.


On July 24 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, i'm town I think this is just a normal entry post.


ruxxar are you saying this is forced or the next post?

On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.


I disagreed with frequency alone being a town indicator becauce it can be both ways but why are you saying he's too certain? Why couldn't this just be confidence? He's saying obviously, then he says "subject to change" then he's saying "general direction". The explanation flows so I don't know where you mean too certain.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 24 2015 15:09 GMT
#320
I also don't like the fact basically every read of his is "could be this BUT could also be that".
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