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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:29 GMT
#1401
I have a scum read on breshke based on lack of activity lack of reap thought provoking posts and lack of any drive to try to figure the game out on a whole I think.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:31 GMT
#1402
On July 29 2015 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please lynch TT he is scum.
Breshke is not mafia.
Neither is sulfurus.
Neither is moose.


Who is the last mafia?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 17:34 GMT
#1403
I'll add one other thing I didn't like about an earlier Sulfurus post. I had meant to come back to this sooner, but forgot.
On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote: I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

And he puts in a series of quotes, with the last one being Barakos' ill-fated "weather here in Germany sucks" post. He then adds:
Sulfurus wrote: At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia.

What's unusual about this is that Sulfurus had already posted after that post from Barakos, and made no mention of it whatsoever. But once Sulfurus decides it is time to label Barakos as scum, suddenly the reasoning behind it is that old post. If he had said that after some additional consideration, he eventually decided that this thing or that thing about the post seemed a little scummy, then fine. But phrasing like "it was the easiest to figure out" and "just look at this post" makes it sound to me like he's saying the post was slap-u-in-the-face scummy from the moment he saw it. If that were the case, then why did he keep those impressions to himself, while posting about other things? And not tell us about this obviously scummy behavior until it sheeps thread sentiment?

I won't try to tell you this is nail-in-the-coffin proof of Sulfurus' guilt. But it's another point against him.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 28 2015 17:39 GMT
#1404
Looking a bit through TT's filter at first I liked a bunch of his recent posts.... then...
On July 27 2015 12:44 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 12:33 Sulfurus wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:46 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote:
I did NOT get roleblocked last night.

And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check.


Who do you think are the last two mafia?


      My reads are pretty much the same as I listed them here.

      Now that Barakos is dead Moosy is next up.

##Vote: MoosyDoosy


Just FYI

If Mossy is actually mafia like I think he is... then you all have my permission to lynch me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Maybe scum!Sul puts Bara on that list to get the town cred.

No way does scum!Sul bus both his teammates in the first 2 days.

What if this really says: "If Mossy would be mafia like I know he is not, then you have my permission to lnyhc me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Let me go ahead and prepare a Sul misslynch."

But I really liked this:
On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Quick post while on my meal break.

Sulf is actually looking less and less likely to be mafi here... His posting looks pretty similar to his town game in NSM X.

While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon.

I think ruxx is town, and I've already stated my opinions on Moosy.

As for scott... Idk seems odd how he is just sheeping cases before he is done catching up with the game. I also would expect him to take more time trying to get a read on me. Scott has played with me more than anyone here and like Damdred he was in Holy Guardians where I managed to get Scott lynched in LyLo. I'd expect Scott to be able to read me better, or at least put some effort into trying to...

Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff).


Just remembered the two of them being masons together yesterday and wanted to ask them about each other...

like... is the scum team Breshke + flexes/scott ?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 17:39 GMT
#1405
On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

Decided my response to this post is counter-productive. Flagging just so I'll have it in my own filter to remind me later.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:41 GMT
#1406
n00b, that's not an argument for someone scum.
I don't see any scum motivation.
I could basically make the same argument against you for the way you responded to Barakos post.
In fact I think you look even worse in the way you dealt with Barakos.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 28 2015 17:45 GMT
#1407
Also additional thoughts on TT:
He is noticeable nice to me (e.g. putting me above rayne and damdred on his town list) all game. Metaread or a Buddying/Pocketing attempt?
His case/read on Rayn D1 is pretty bad, but I know him as the guy who tunnels a blue for 2 cycles straight as town, so I don't think he is scum for that. =p
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:46 GMT
#1408
Just a quick shout out.
My tinfoil hat senses are tingling.

If we have a medic I think they should out so we can lynch confirmed town rayn.
If medic doesn't claim today I will consider rayn 100% town for the rest of the game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 17:48 GMT
#1409
On July 28 2015 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.

I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.

##Unvote

##Vote: Breshke


Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.

"I am sure scott is mafia, breshke is scummy too."
Lets not vote for the guy i am SURE is mafia.

As Ticktock pointed out, this is the opposite of what actually happened.

But then AFTER you make this post, he switches his vote from Breshke (positively Scum) to Scott (pretty sure he's Scum) and suddenly your point is actually correct!

Which means that Ticktock is actively helping you portray him as Scum, by flip-flopping on this position. Scum are more likely to flip-flop when it's convenient. Here, Ticktock is flip-flopping to his own detriment, right in front of the person who was already pushing his lynch.

I know, I know. "WIFOM" you tell me. But it's not pure WIFOM. This is slightly Town-indicative, and it's a player I was already townreading beforehand.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 28 2015 17:49 GMT
#1410
TBH would vote Scott (not looking good + POE) or Breshke atm.
MD or TT could be scum, but I don't strongly believe that and am not sure who of the two is more likely to be scum.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:51 GMT
#1411
Heres a fact:

TT is not scum with Scott or moosy.
TT tried hard to lynch moosy, and Scott is first vote on TT today.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 28 2015 17:54 GMT
#1412
On July 29 2015 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
Heres a fact:

TT is not scum with Scott or moosy.
TT tried hard to lynch moosy, and Scott is first vote on TT today.

If TT flips Mafia, I am not town.
If TT flips town, I am not Mafia.

I already explained this in a previous post of mine, but your statement that it's one or the other is completely false.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:56 GMT
#1413
On July 29 2015 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
Heres a fact:

TT is not scum with Scott or moosy.
TT tried hard to lynch moosy, and Scott is first vote on TT today.

If TT flips Mafia, I am not town.
If TT flips town, I am not Mafia.

I already explained this in a previous post of mine, but your statement that it's one or the other is completely false.


If TT flips mafia you are town in my eyes.
If TT flips town you could be either alignment.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 17:59 GMT
#1414
Is the game as easy as Barakos + TT + N00bking?

TT and n00bking the 2 biggest resistors of the barakos lynch, yet still calling him semi scummy and being agreeable to his lynch to give themself an out later.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 28 2015 17:59 GMT
#1415
On July 29 2015 02:56 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 29 2015 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
Heres a fact:

TT is not scum with Scott or moosy.
TT tried hard to lynch moosy, and Scott is first vote on TT today.

If TT flips Mafia, I am not town.
If TT flips town, I am not Mafia.

I already explained this in a previous post of mine, but your statement that it's one or the other is completely false.


If TT flips mafia you are town in my eyes.
If TT flips town you could be either alignment.

He's going to flip town.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 18:03 GMT
#1416
[QUOTE]On July 29 2015 02:39 disformation wrote:
Looking a bit through TT's filter at first I liked a bunch of his recent posts.... then...
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 12:44 Tictock wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 12:33 Sulfurus wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 10:46 scott31337 wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote:
I did NOT get roleblocked last night.

And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check.[/QUOTE]

Who do you think are the last two mafia?[/QUOTE]

      My reads are pretty much the same as I listed them [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=31#610]here[/url].

      Now that Barakos is dead Moosy is next up.

##Vote: MoosyDoosy[/QUOTE]

Just FYI

If Mossy is actually mafia like I think he is... then you all have my permission to lynch me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Maybe scum!Sul puts Bara on that list to get the town cred.

No way does scum!Sul bus both his teammates in the first 2 days.[/QUOTE]
What if this really says: "If Mossy would be mafia like I know he is not, then you have my permission to lnyhc me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Let me go ahead and prepare a Sul misslynch."

I had this exact same thought, too.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 18:04 GMT
#1417
On July 29 2015 03:03 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 02:39 disformation wrote:
Looking a bit through TT's filter at first I liked a bunch of his recent posts.... then...
On July 27 2015 12:44 Tictock wrote:
On July 27 2015 12:33 Sulfurus wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:46 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote:
I did NOT get roleblocked last night.

And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check.


Who do you think are the last two mafia?


      My reads are pretty much the same as I listed them here.

      Now that Barakos is dead Moosy is next up.

##Vote: MoosyDoosy


Just FYI

If Mossy is actually mafia like I think he is... then you all have my permission to lynch me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Maybe scum!Sul puts Bara on that list to get the town cred.

No way does scum!Sul bus both his teammates in the first 2 days.

What if this really says: "If Mossy would be mafia like I know he is not, then you have my permission to lnyhc me when I come up on Sul's PoE list.

Let me go ahead and prepare a Sul misslynch."


I had this exact same thought, too.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 18:21 GMT
#1418
On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:
On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote:
I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.

I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good.

On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote:
I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.

On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote:
Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first

You said two opposite things, which one is true ?


Yeah because i thought about it some more.

Okay so this is flexes last post.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
Useful list of useless people
Sulfurus
Ticktock

If one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard.


Can probably add Flexes

Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back.


i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread.
i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.

So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know.

So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening.

This is a very good point. It is something I hadn't actually thought of myself, and is one of the Towniest posts that Breshke has made in this game.

Are we allowed to ask the host whether Flexes ever contacted him to be replaced out? Or whether the mod just replaced him out without ever hearing from him? Because if it's the latter, fine, NAI. But if it's the former, it does increase the chance that Flexes was Scum.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
July 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1419
On July 29 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote:
Salutations

Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all.

Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm


Has breshke been mafia before? With 15 games I would think so. He should know these things right?


Humm.

You are voting for me, but you are not reading my posts...

I posted a list of all the games Bre's been in, his alignments, and links to his filters. Copied it from the TL Mafia Database...

Wondering if Ruxx is actually Mafia here now. He's been all over the place, voted off the Bara wagon (with me no less) and doesn't really seem to care where his vote goes EXPECT he never once put it on Bara. Interesting.

Just sayin that if I do get lynched here it's pretty obv that you all should look harder at Scott and Ruxx tomorrow for their votes on me.
I can take that responsibility.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 18:26 GMT
#1420
On July 28 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote:
I could be wrong but im fairly sure you HAVE TO roleblock someone like you can't abstain.

And this is like my least favorite post from Breshke in the entire game. Someone else said they thought Breshke has actually BEEN roleblocker before. If we could get some confirmation on that it would help. But this post reeks of "Look, I can't be on the team that has the roleblocker, I don't even know how a roleblocker works!" And it is not town-indicative WIFOM because if he is Scum, this post does not hurt him at all. This type of WIFOM is strictly upside from the Scum perspective.
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