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On July 28 2015 23:17 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 28 2015 22:37 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 28 2015 22:17 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 21:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 28 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:
Ok here's a thought, the mafia team has to be fairly dumb.
I know I was advocating mafia splitting RB and NK, but that was before I was fully aware that RBs are notified.
In what world would scum be handing out confirmed towns?
It's really dumb.
Especially when they give confirmed town to someone that was suspected by other people.
Why give rels confirmed town status when n00bking was up his ass so to speak.
#1) mafia team are dumb. When I think about it n00b was right in that it's unlikely rels is cop since he's telling the cop who to check. Why role block rels of all people? It makes no sense.
Giving away confirmed townies are really really bad.
#2) mafia want to make n00bking look bad for pushing on confirmed town.
#3) n00bking wanted to look townie by explaining away some wifom logic of why he wouldn't rb rels.
#4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone.
Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status.
This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team.
Fuck n00bking can't be mafia anymore I think.
I think n00bking would make play #4 and claim being role blocked. I could be wrong but im fairly sure you HAVE TO roleblock someone like you can't abstain. Also theyn wouldnt have known they were handing out a confirmed town because they obviously didn't think rayn was the vet. Which is why you role block the someone you kill since Mafia knows the set up. Lol, everyone seems to have gotten this except for you Breshke...similar to how Mafia messed up their RB.... You literally havnt read my posts have you On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote:I want to lynch moosey for saying "I am mafia" to dodge answering questions. It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more. On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:Initial reads before anything else happens Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town. And then my first weird feeling came from this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
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Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...
And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-
Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.
Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...
Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.
Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny. Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply. So it starts with this On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:
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Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.
He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen. Ah, but my goal is clear and simple. Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed. When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts. Am I scum, am I town? As you judge me, I judge you. A dead thread benefits no one. Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear. The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it. On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
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It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?
I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? A read from a sentence? What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon? The timing, his motivation, his meta? A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for. I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors. The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life. I read you clear as a book. Your alignment is town. While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted. I think ruxxar is scum Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia. Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. That post is still really weird, it took him far too long to explain it. Also him calling ruxxar bad and shitting on him for not giving reads and then he doesnt even end up voting doesn't add up. I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey. I don't think sulf is as townie as i did before because it took him so long to explain his reads from his POE, i thought if he was sure enough to post his auto list he would be able to rattle off his reasons fairly quickly. I still have him as a town lean though. Also this is wifom as fuck but if i was scum there is no way that i don't roleblock and shoot rayn if i know there is a vet, you don't risk it especially when you are already behind and then if rayn isnt vet one of the scummers can claim roleblocked. This is also a reason as to why I am less paranoid about damdred because i feel like he would have done this as well.It makes me feel a bit weird that the scumteam im suggesting would have all not voted D1 but EHH im really liking everyone on the barakos wagon except maybe disinfo who i probably have to look into but iirc rayn liked him so it isn't that necessary. I have and I see you providing a view from Mafia standpoint which is never a good thing unless you're ruXxar. Moosey iw ant you to udnerstand this. You said I didn't understand why mafia should have roleblocked their own kill. Yet i had already explained that situation and why I would have donee xactly that. So no you arn't reading my posts and you are mafia. Maybe you should ask ruxxar how to improve your scum game he won his last two. Then maybe you should learn how to read alignments. Because you’re on the wrong track right now. Also this is nosey talking to me like he thinks I'm town.
I talk to everyone the same way if you look at my filter lol. I find it helps to ingratiate yourself with people so that they feel more comfortable and slip.
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Voting for n00bking here is not going to save sulfurus.
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##Vote tictock
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Leaving work and not home tonight, so will check the game from phone. I feel TT is still the best lynch for these reasons:
On July 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday. 1Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy: + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game. In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate. In particular this paragraph: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI. makes exactly 0 sense to me. 2Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Then he goes on to vote for him. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia. ##Unvote##Vote Tictock
On July 28 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday. 1Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy: + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game. In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate. In particular this paragraph: On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI. makes exactly 0 sense to me. 2Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos. On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Then he goes on to vote for him. On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia. ##Unvote##Vote Tictock 1 - I think Sulf would be voting Moosy today regarless of his alignment, so it didn't bug me. As I explained. I don't know how you can say mafia!Sulfurus would be voting mafia!Moosy today, especially after: 1 - Losing a teammate yesterday. 2 - Moosy being one of the most suspicious player in the game, so this push may be ending in Moosy getting lynched. It looks like you wanted to comment on Sulfurus 'cause everyone else was doing so, but didn't know what to say so said something illogical. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:
2 - Your mis-reading what I posted here.
I agreed it was SMART to lynch off the Bara wagon, never said we SHOUKDN'T. In fact Moosy made a post regarding that recently that I kinda agreed with so.. yea.
My statement about Breshke in that post was me talking about all my scumreads, so I wasn't even attacking him. Just stating my opinion there.
Yep I voted him, and now there's a case up against him.
Also, how does me changing my mind about things make me scum?
Cause it's not logical. You said it is smart to focus on off voting people, then you don't focus on them. It looks like you wanted to buddy rayn and Damdred, the two town read vets of the game.
On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ?
On July 28 2015 19:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 19:00 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 18:35 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ? Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.< Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre. Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better.
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##Vote: scott31337 Really ? 'cause you quoted the post in question in your case. It was one of your main point about Breshke sheeping. On July 28 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote:2) Not very active when active...Basically, he's pretty much done nothing this game. Hardly any reads, hardly any thoughts posted, no pushes. Gives up his own reads to sheep. Vote on Barakos, when Moosy and Ruxx were his top scum before. Dropped his scum read on Ruxx with no explanation. This post: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Yea, I was looking and thinking Scott & Bre. Not Bre and Flex. Sorry not believing that. Still thinking it is super scummy. Now that we got to the end of that question, here is the other one: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:@Tiktock You said this D1 (see bolded): On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. Breshke asked you (see bolded): On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird?What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. In your response to his general post you didn't answer this question ? On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Two things weird about that: 1. You were wishy washy about Sulfurus: "This "auto" list seems somewhat towny", but "it's timing is weird", and " if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure." Looks like you wanted an excuse to vote Sulfurus without pushing him much. 2. What do you mean "his timing is weird" ?
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On July 28 2015 23:24 ruXxar wrote:
Voting for n00bking here is not going to save sulfurus.
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Voting for Ticktock here is not going to save Ticktock.
Headed to work right now, but should be able to make a few posts from there, before EoD. 2 really interesting posts from Breshke that I'll want to touch on (one that I like and one that I don't).
I'll mention something else that I didn't like about an old post from Sulfurus.
And I'll post up a "Town Case" on Ticktock, if he's still in vote trouble.
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After looking through Breshke’s filter it looks like he’s focusing on people that do weird shit. For example he first focuses on ruXxar before changing his read due to thread sentiment and then begins to tackle me. He enters the thread again and is now trying to force a lynch on me on the basis of my “I’m Mafia” post. Then there’s Tictock who’s apparently “third on his list”.
If this is the case I’d like for him to explain the basis of his suspicion on Tictock.
I’d also like him to re-evaluate the basis of his reads. If he’s focusing solely on people that only do weird shit then he’s never going to catch Mafia and he’s going to get a ton of mislynches.
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On July 29 2015 00:23 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 23:24 ruXxar wrote:
Voting for n00bking here is not going to save sulfurus.
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##Vote tictock Voting for Ticktock here is not going to save Ticktock. Headed to work right now, but should be able to make a few posts from there, before EoD. 2 really interesting posts from Breshke that I'll want to touch on (one that I like and one that I don't). I'll mention something else that I didn't like about an old post from Sulfurus. And I'll post up a "Town Case" on Ticktock, if he's still in vote trouble.
Why would I want to save tictock?
n00b. Can you give me input on my post here? I want to know why you think rels got roleblocked.
On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:
Ok here's a thought, the mafia team has to be fairly dumb.
I know I was advocating mafia splitting RB and NK, but that was before I was fully aware that RBs are notified.
In what world would scum be handing out confirmed towns?
It's really dumb.
Especially when they give confirmed town to someone that was suspected by other people.
Why give rels confirmed town status when n00bking was up his ass so to speak.
#1) mafia team are dumb. When I think about it n00b was right in that it's unlikely rels is cop since he's telling the cop who to check. Why role block rels of all people? It makes no sense.
Giving away confirmed townies are really really bad.
#2) mafia want to make n00bking look bad for pushing on confirmed town.
#3) n00bking wanted to look townie by explaining away some wifom logic of why he wouldn't rb rels.
#4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone.
Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status.
This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team.
Fuck n00bking can't be mafia anymore I think.
I think n00bking would make play #4 and claim being role blocked.
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Salutations
Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all.
Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm
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On July 29 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote:
Salutations
Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all.
Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm
Has breshke been mafia before? With 15 games I would think so. He should know these things right?
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In fact I believe that breshke was in a newb game and was the rb(?) and claimed he rb himself every night
though I might be relenering someone else.
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As long as you don't vote for sulfurus I'm happy damdy.
I don't like TTs filter, a lot of individual oddities and inconsistencies that don't stick together in a coherent way.
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I'm never voting sulf today I think. I'm torn on tt, bresh, moos
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MD:
Uh... if I put it to paper it kinda looks worse than I thought.
- Puts out some meta stuff on different ppl.
- Admittedly tries to pocket some ppl to form a "town circle".
- No visible reads D1. Only a town lean on ruXxar.
- Did not vote at all D1.
- Spend most of D1 yelling at ruXxar. Partly in a horrible tone...
- Starts to put out some reads/lists starting N1, consistent with his plan of forming a town circle first. I kinda like/agree with the list... but it kinda looks like thread consent, so he might have been waiting for that to form before putting out a list...
- "Claims" mafia.
Still I quite like some of his interactions
E.g.
On July 28 2015 21:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
Alright I thought about it more. Only three teams are likely in my mind:
TT + NM
Moosy + scott
Moosy + NM
Even though I hated his "I am mafia" posts, I had a town feel for D1 for moosy. So for the moment my vote stay on TT.
I can switch to any of the other three, and will consolidate with my town reads if needed (rayn, Damdred, ruxxar, disfo, noobking). ...Your town feels should be from my N1 and not D1. D1 was me crushing ruXxar.
I don't think mafia would be happy to point out something like this. Especially since there is some danger of MD being the lynch today... yet him not caring much getting lynched, can it be town?
So. This looks super bad on paper. Yet something feels off. Did I miss something?
Like I could vote for him since this looks pretty bad, but I am not convinced he has a high chance of flipping scum... =/
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Day 2 Votecount
tictock (4): scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar
sulfurus (3): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke
scott31337 (1): Tictock
ticktack (0): raynpelikoneet
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): Tictock
Not Voting (2): disformation, Damdred
Tictock is set to be lynched!
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On July 29 2015 01:29 Damdred wrote:
I'm never voting sulf today I think. I'm torn on tt, bresh, moos
Hm. Breshke was on the barakos wagon wasn't he?
I thought we wanted to keep the lynch off the wagon today... though I am sleeping a bit on Breshke.
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I'll vote for moosy if we can get majority.
I don't really care for moosy or TT one way or the other, I want to lynch them both.
I just don't think they are mafia together, so if one flip mafia the other is moved into my town circle.
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Going to take a minute to explain what I mean when I say "pure WIFOM" as it will be relevant in some of my posts throughout the rest of the game, including the Town Case on Ticktock (if it's needed today) and a Town Case on myself (if it's needed any other day).
If you look at the original WIFOM scenario, in the movie, it is what I would call "pure WIFOM." Disregard Westley's immunity, and the fact that it would turn out both goblets were poisoned. Instead, just consider the game as it is presented to Vizzini (and as it is presented to the audience).
In that scenario, there is really no incentive for the person staging the game to put the poison in one goblet as opposed to the other. There is no advantage or disadvantage to picking one or the other, since the opponent can just switch them. Everything is a pure 50/50, because the person being presented with the choice has NO way of knowing where the poison will be placed, and the person staging the game has NO way of knowing whether the opponent will choose to switch the goblets.
But although that WIFOM scenario was 50/50, not all of them are. Sometimes the person staging the game (in this case, the Mafia) will have incentive to not make a certain choice. And the only reason for them to go ahead and make that choice anyway is to "look Townie." They play against their own agenda, for the sake of hoping that people will think "Since Scum wouldn't want to do that...they must not be Scum." This is not pure WIFOM, because the Mafia has reasons NOT to do that thing. Thus, doing that thing is slighty-to-somewhat Town indicative. Not hugely indicative, because it's still WIFOM. But it isn't NAI, because it isn't pure WIFOM.
A couple of players in this game have made posts that indicate they aren't aware of (or at least aren't factoring in) these varying levels or degrees of WIFOM. Rels in particular is guilty of taking anything that a Mafia player could do that doesn't benefit them in any way except to "look Townie" and label it as WIFOM and then ignore it. There's a difference between things a Mafia player can do to look Townie that "don't benefit them" and things they can do to look Townie that "hurt them."
Not all WIFOM is created equal.
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Damdy what's your read on breshke?
He's like a silent ninja to me.
Only thing I remember is his opening spar with moosy.
Other than that he is just null.
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Please lynch TT he is scum.
Breshke is not mafia.
Neither is sulfurus.
Neither is moose.
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On July 29 2015 02:18 n00bKing wrote:
Going to take a minute to explain what I mean when I say "pure WIFOM" as it will be relevant in some of my posts throughout the rest of the game, including the Town Case on Ticktock (if it's needed today) and a Town Case on myself (if it's needed any other day).
If you look at the original WIFOM scenario, in the movie, it is what I would call "pure WIFOM." Disregard Westley's immunity, and the fact that it would turn out both goblets were poisoned. Instead, just consider the game as it is presented to Vizzini (and as it is presented to the audience).
In that scenario, there is really no incentive for the person staging the game to put the poison in one goblet as opposed to the other. There is no advantage or disadvantage to picking one or the other, since the opponent can just switch them. Everything is a pure 50/50, because the person being presented with the choice has NO way of knowing where the poison will be placed, and the person staging the game has NO way of knowing whether the opponent will choose to switch the goblets.
But although that WIFOM scenario was 50/50, not all of them are. Sometimes the person staging the game (in this case, the Mafia) will have incentive to not make a certain choice. And the only reason for them to go ahead and make that choice anyway is to "look Townie." They play against their own agenda, for the sake of hoping that people will think "Since Scum wouldn't want to do that...they must not be Scum." This is not pure WIFOM, because the Mafia has reasons NOT to do that thing. Thus, doing that thing is slighty-to-somewhat Town indicative. Not hugely indicative, because it's still WIFOM. But it isn't NAI, because it isn't pure WIFOM.
A couple of players in this game have made posts that indicate they aren't aware of (or at least aren't factoring in) these varying levels or degrees of WIFOM. Rels in particular is guilty of taking anything that a Mafia player could do that doesn't benefit them in any way except to "look Townie" and label it as WIFOM and then ignore it. There's a difference between things a Mafia player can do to look Townie that "don't benefit them" and things they can do to look Townie that "hurt them."
Not all WIFOM is created equal.
I could swear this wasn't my coaching QT, I need to lay off the booze.
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