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On July 28 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 18:35 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ? Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.< Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre. Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better. ##Unvote ##Vote: scott31337 Really ? 'cause you quoted the post in question in your case. It was one of your main point about Breshke sheeping. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote:2) Not very active when active...Basically, he's pretty much done nothing this game. Hardly any reads, hardly any thoughts posted, no pushes. Gives up his own reads to sheep. Vote on Barakos, when Moosy and Ruxx were his top scum before. Dropped his scum read on Ruxx with no explanation. This post: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
Yea, I was looking and thinking Scott & Bre. Not Bre and Flex.
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On July 28 2015 19:00 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 18:35 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ? Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.< Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre. Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better. ##Unvote ##Vote: scott31337 Really ? 'cause you quoted the post in question in your case. It was one of your main point about Breshke sheeping. On July 28 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote:2) Not very active when active...Basically, he's pretty much done nothing this game. Hardly any reads, hardly any thoughts posted, no pushes. Gives up his own reads to sheep. Vote on Barakos, when Moosy and Ruxx were his top scum before. Dropped his scum read on Ruxx with no explanation. This post: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Yea, I was looking and thinking Scott & Bre. Not Bre and Flex. Sorry not believing that. Still thinking it is super scummy.
Now that we got to the end of that question, here is the other one:
On July 28 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:@Tiktock You said this D1 (see bolded): Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote: @ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. Breshke asked you (see bolded): Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote: @ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird?What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. In your response to his general post you didn't answer this question ? Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote: Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Two things weird about that: 1. You were wishy washy about Sulfurus: "This "auto" list seems somewhat towny", but "it's timing is weird", and " if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure." Looks like you wanted an excuse to vote Sulfurus without pushing him much. 2. What do you mean "his timing is weird" ?
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I want to lynch moosey for saying "I am mafia" to dodge answering questions.
It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:Initial reads before anything else happens Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town. And then my first weird feeling came from this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny. Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply. So it starts with this On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play: Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it. He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen. Ah, but my goal is clear and simple. Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed. When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts. Am I scum, am I town? As you judge me, I judge you. A dead thread benefits no one. Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear. The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it. On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote: Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI. Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs* But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? A read from a sentence? What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon? The timing, his motivation, his meta? A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for. I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors. The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life. I read you clear as a book. Your alignment is town. While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted. I think ruxxar is scum Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia. Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.
That post is still really weird, it took him far too long to explain it. Also him calling ruxxar bad and shitting on him for not giving reads and then he doesnt even end up voting doesn't add up.
I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't think sulf is as townie as i did before because it took him so long to explain his reads from his POE, i thought if he was sure enough to post his auto list he would be able to rattle off his reasons fairly quickly. I still have him as a town lean though.
Also this is wifom as fuck but if i was scum there is no way that i don't roleblock and shoot rayn if i know there is a vet, you don't risk it especially when you are already behind and then if rayn isnt vet one of the scummers can claim roleblocked. This is also a reason as to why I am less paranoid about damdred because i feel like he would have done this as well.
It makes me feel a bit weird that the scumteam im suggesting would have all not voted D1 but EHH im really liking everyone on the barakos wagon except maybe disinfo who i probably have to look into but iirc rayn liked him so it isn't that necessary.
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On July 27 2015 22:10 Rels wrote:@Breshke Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Q1 Reasons for lynching Flexes ?You had quite a few posts defending Sulfurus. See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote: Yeah sulfurus is town On July 25 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 12:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote: Yeah sulfurus is town Reasoning? His like third? post in the game was him posting an auto list. On July 25 2015 14:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:19 Tictock wrote: Damdred is... probably town? I don't know I am getting a weird feeling from him right now. My only game with him I was mafia and he was town so I'd rate my ability to read him as a "meh"
I kinda agree about Mossy, I'll get to my read of him a little later. I did give him a card earlier for a reason.
As for the Tarot... Well you should recall that I enjoyed batsnacks little I-ching read that game. I've been wanting to do something similar.
Mostly people decided to ignore it, which is possibly the correct response ^.^ It does kinda force me to stop, not that I ever intended to be that useless all game.
So Bre, tell me. Why do you seem so off this game?
Like, you don't seem to be trying very hard to get reads. The first half of the day you really only talked about ruXx or MD, now your suddenly jumping on board this Bara wagon (which I'm not sold on) and are giving away a town read on sulf for basically nothing. Ok that makes sense I guess. If you are comparing this to our mason game it isn't going to be the same, there i was more enthusiastic partly because i felt like i owed it to you. This phase is also over friday/saturday for me which is not good for me. Was there much more to talk about? I'm fairly sure i also said i thought noobking was town. The bara wagon is good, even if it isn't I think bara is skilled enough to convince me/others that he is town so there isn't really much more to look into about him at the moment if he doesn't come back. The sulf read might seem like nothing but tell me if he is mafia why does he put out an auto list. He even has said that he will discuss the reads when people ask. Like why does mafia do this especially when they are usually an inactive player. It just feels so out there that sulf as mafia with perfect imformation thinks to himself yeah i will put out a list where ive solved the game in my third post. On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote: @ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird? What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. On July 25 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote: Also general things like thread sentiment can be a bit meh like for example im scumeading moosey and bara. That is thread sentiment and ive taken less hard stances than sul did in that one post yet you havn't said you thought it was scummy that im following thread sentiment.
Yes i get that other than that point mine and sulfs play has been different but having that as one of the main things you don't like about him is very general and it is easy to scumread an inactive player for stuff like that. On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote: Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people? You most recently asked him about damdred and flex and from what i can tell you agree with him that damdred is town so leave that for now and ask specifically about the reads you disagree with.. If sulf is town he wants to engage with people about his list and if it is a "las ditch effort" from a sulf mafia then it will be hard for him to back his list up with reasoning Q2 Are you still town reading him ?In particular, you adviced to ask Sulfurus for more infos on his list. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote: Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people? Disformation did a few times and never got an answer. Q3 What do you think of that ?
I think i answered most of this in my last post but yeah the reason was a pure sheep of rayn. Like was that point not just super compelling to anyone else?
Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first
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So I assume you think TT is town ?
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On July 28 2015 20:30 Rels wrote: So I assume you think TT is town ?
I understand why you would think this but no. he is 3rd in my scumlist
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On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
Want to see quotes on this.
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On July 28 2015 20:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
Want to see quotes on this.
This is awkward. He was actually "pressuring me so i would explain it more" So it was both. erm ignore i ever said that bit. #regrets
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On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote:On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote: [quote]
A read from a sentence? What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon? The timing, his motivation, his meta?
A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.
I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors. The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life. I read you clear as a book.
Your alignment is town. I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia. My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that. The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR" I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia. n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron. Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit. What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive. Town: Disformation. Rels. Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. Breshke: - Too many words, too emotional, overly-defensive. Moosy: - Explanation of my meta is contrived. - Says my town tone is glaringly obvious yet goes on to say he will suspect me hard. Lol you want my honest expectations of ruXxar? I think he's a shit player who can't give reads and who makes shitty arguments like this. He tunnels hard as hell and generates way too much spam for him to be worth as a townie. That's my honest interpretation of ruXxar. HOWEVER even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway. As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together. That's what I mean when I say I will "suspect you hard". It's not that I think that you're Mafia but that I'm going to make sure that if you are Mafia that I'll catch it and make sure you die. Want me to more brutally honest or does this suffice? Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion. On July 25 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 25 2015 00:52 ruXxar wrote:Also for moosy: You keep dodging rels question. I want an answer: On July 24 2015 22:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 18:20 Rels wrote:What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it. OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning. On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. What do you mean with "You might be onto something here Damdred" ? What are your thoughts on ruxxar ? Because I'm Mafia buddy. What other reason could there be? ~ ~ ~ Sure I'll give you an answer. I read you as slight town lean because you're being as useless as the other newbie game we were in where you were townie. Wrong question. I want you to answer this: On July 24 2015 18:20 Rels wrote:What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it. OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning. On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. What do you mean with " You might be onto something here Damdred" ? Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more. As for your question, Breshke didn't give a clear line of reasoning behind his argument against you which I attempted to make him explain through pressuring. His defense was decent and if you look at the posts between us, it resembled your typical two townie shit fight. So I managed to glean a town read off of that. That line in particular was meant to spark a reaction from Breshke and see what he did.
Thats the post rels so you can see for yourself that I was misrepresenting moosey there.
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On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good.
On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ?
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On July 28 2015 20:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:35 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
Want to see quotes on this. This is awkward. He was actually "pressuring me so i would explain it more" So it was both. erm ignore i ever said that bit. #regrets Dude you're writing a fucking case on your fucking scum read, voted him just after, and you didn't fact checked your accusation ?? Plus it's not like it's lost on a big post! You have two accusations against Moosy: - him repeating "I am mafia" - him changing his story
And now actually your second point is not true ? What do you think of him now then ?
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On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ?
Yeah because i thought about it some more.
Okay so this is flexes last post.
On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.
So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know.
So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening.
There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario.
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On July 28 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:40 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:35 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
Want to see quotes on this. This is awkward. He was actually "pressuring me so i would explain it more" So it was both. erm ignore i ever said that bit. #regrets Dude you're writing a fucking case on your fucking scum read, voted him just after, and you didn't fact checked your accusation ?? Plus it's not like it's lost on a big post! You have two accusations against Moosy: - him repeating "I am mafia" - him changing his story And now actually your second point is not true ? What do you think of him now then ?
Still mafia.
Yeah i fucked up, shit happens but he is still saing "im mafia" to dodge questions you yourself have pointed this out have you not?
Would you lynch moosey today over TT?
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On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though.
You didn't answer the second part.
On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ?
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On July 28 2015 20:53 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:40 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:35 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: It is possible he is bad town and doing this but more probable he is mafia purely just trying to dodge questions. He also changes his story that he was pressuring me about my case on ruxxar and then at other points says he was talking to me about it because i needed to explain it more.
Want to see quotes on this. This is awkward. He was actually "pressuring me so i would explain it more" So it was both. erm ignore i ever said that bit. #regrets Dude you're writing a fucking case on your fucking scum read, voted him just after, and you didn't fact checked your accusation ?? Plus it's not like it's lost on a big post! You have two accusations against Moosy: - him repeating "I am mafia" - him changing his story And now actually your second point is not true ? What do you think of him now then ? Still mafia. Yeah i fucked up, shit happens but he is still saing "im mafia" to dodge questions you yourself have pointed this out have you not? Would you lynch moosey today over TT? No. TT and you are more suspicious.
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On July 28 2015 20:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though. You didn't answer the second part. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ?
Its that post. I thought about it more and changed my mind.
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On July 28 2015 20:57 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:54 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though. You didn't answer the second part. On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Its that post. I thought about it more and changed my mind. Then why are you not switching your vote if you're "kinda more sure on scott/flexes".
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On July 28 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:57 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:54 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though. You didn't answer the second part. On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Its that post. I thought about it more and changed my mind. Then why are you not switching your vote if you're "kinda more sure on scott/flexes".
Because moosey's thing is DUMB and SCUMMY. This is a newbie game it is about learning. We are all going to learn to not do the "im mafiia" thing by voting moosey.
I realize how this sounds as I am typing it Rels sorry for the brain aneurysm you will get reading it.
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On July 28 2015 21:00 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:57 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:54 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though. You didn't answer the second part. On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Its that post. I thought about it more and changed my mind. Then why are you not switching your vote if you're "kinda more sure on scott/flexes". Because moosey's thing is DUMB and SCUMMY. This is a newbie game it is about learning. We are all going to learn to not do the "im mafiia" thing by voting moosey. I realize how this sounds as I am typing it Rels sorry for the brain aneurysm you will get reading it. Yeah. 1 hour ago I was convinced TT was mafia. And now your posts are so suspicious.
Will take a break to think about all this mess.
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On July 28 2015 21:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 21:00 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:57 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:54 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote:On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I still think flexes/scott can still be mafia, rayns thing still holds weight even though the guy replaced out like he still said he was halfway trhough something and he doesnt post it before he tells the mod he has to replace out? I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
I don't like this reasonning. Dude got replaced so I don't think the argument of "he didn't do what he said he will in his last post" is still good. On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. There is also the possibility that being new he lied as town and actually had nothing which would be unfortunate so im going to just ignore that scenario. OK I get that it is possible. Don't think it's really scum indicative though. You didn't answer the second part. On July 28 2015 20:43 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 20:23 Breshke wrote: I don't really believe it but im less sure of this now than I am of moosey.
On July 28 2015 20:25 Breshke wrote: Im kinda more sure on scott/flexes but the moosey "im scum" thing is dumb AND scummy so lets lynch that guy first You said two opposite things, which one is true ? Its that post. I thought about it more and changed my mind. Then why are you not switching your vote if you're "kinda more sure on scott/flexes". Because moosey's thing is DUMB and SCUMMY. This is a newbie game it is about learning. We are all going to learn to not do the "im mafiia" thing by voting moosey. I realize how this sounds as I am typing it Rels sorry for the brain aneurysm you will get reading it. Yeah. 1 hour ago I was convinced TT was mafia. And now your posts are so suspicious. Will take a break to think about all this mess.
Nah talk to me this really isn't a mess. Even if you want to lynch me you have so many lynches it is fine.
Why do you think they are suspicious because you don't think I am making sense? Why is that scummy?
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