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that's called incentive! (and lying) welcome to mafia! | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:15 scott31337 wrote: May I shadow Holyflare? sure | ||
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##vote bill murray | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES it's quite evident i'm town | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ | ||
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hahahahahaha have a free town read | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote: if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf or you could give a rat's ass and play the game either or i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote: i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't dat ritoky mindmeld though | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote: most of my time so far has been occupied by either playing dota or reading/responding to posts that are happening in this game While I like meta it falls maybe third or fourth down the list of things that are important in finding scum. Also I do intend to look at her past games, just maybe not tonight as it tends to take me quite a while and I'm probably going to go to sleep soon well if i say that she does posts like that in all her games does that make your entire game redundant so far? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote: no, because if all her games include her scum games doesn't that mean it's alignment null? good god how do you people make these posts and if it's alignment null then your entire push is worthless? lol | ||
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"nah im not i do it a lot" "you scummy for not justifying it" "I did in my own way" "you scummy for not giving proper read" "read my other games" "you scummy! why nobody think she scummy?" "why didnt you read her games?" "dota" "she's scummy!" -wbg 2015 | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote: yo hf you got a real scumread on me i'm curious so very curious well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out | ||
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nah i just did a bunch of civil litigation and loads of it ends in some form of negotiation | ||
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it's irrelevant either way but bad feels for you trying to pressure me to do stuff when you've seen me not do stuff multiple times | ||
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bad feels for you trying to pressure me to do stuff when you've seen me not do stuff multiple times you don't always do stuff as town right away try not to be too mafia, yeh? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be you don't always do stuff as town right away do these two things align? I don't think so | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote: One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- oh uhhhhhhhh well sorry about that then  i'll inevitably play more later just getting a feel for things/being lazy | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, Bill Murray confirmed? ##Vote: Bill Murray ^ good reason to vote bm definitely done nothing multiple times before though i mean we're just going to end up full circle back to this again:On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote: how does any of that come from a town hf? yes, there have been times when you've done nothing as town HOWEVER to be PRESENT and do nothing as town, especially while doing something that would in no way encourage scum to NOT shoot you n1, that is not something i've seen from a town hf whether i'm right or wrong, can you honestly say you don't see what my issue with you is? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:33 NydusHerMain wrote: I feel the same way about damdred. It sucks because I can't feel like I can substantiate it very well other than saying that he feels hella different than when I just played with him and he was town. haha dude she's saying that damdred is town and you're saying he's mafia :D | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote: So if anyone cares I still think RS is town. only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy | ||
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either way i'm not gonna stop on this push :D | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game? being open and honest, having more reads for people to analyse to learn your alignment, more to talk about i mean part of the reason you are scum reading rsoultin is because people play like that and she's forced to give reads like that as normal right so it can't be all bad? | ||
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tone weird pushing on needless shit that i do all the time (literally the last 3 games i've played town in) arguing semantics fighting bugs on pointless things too | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: eh i don't have any gripes with what she just posted well apart from the huge bs about me of course | ||
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could you buddy me any more? | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote: hey, you i'm town unvote me find scum a message from your friendly neighborhood rsoul ^^ even if i'm wrong i'm just WRONG, and none of what you're saying makes me scum any more than what bug's saying makes me scum i've got a role pm that says otherwise and i'm more confirmed than you ^^ On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:27 rsoultin wrote: ... lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + 4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz + Show Spoiler + 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler + 13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 + Show Spoiler + 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! | ||
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much mafiay | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: You call that spam, but people say "I don't like shockeyy's activity". Well that's why my activity sucks in every game I play. Then you call that spam? But fail to look at people like rsoul, who already have 7+ pages of filter and most of it is crap. To me that seems like they're trying to hide their mistakes with constant posting. Just read the fight between her and wbg. She completely ignores him until the lynch train happened. It just seems odd. i don't really remember anyone having that problem with you at all and in fact it was mainly that you wrote a giant list post with no real reads and then had no real accusations on anyone in particular | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:50 GlowingBear wrote: HF if you don't do things soon I will lead a crusade on you Mark my words i don't have to do anything lol On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:09 boxerfred wrote: EBWOP: "So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not." - "So I'd like to ASK ..." whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that | ||
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On June 18 2015 00:56 LightningStrike wrote: I back and KSC stilll thinks I scum and thinks I had slipped when I Town -_- and HF thinks I changing my scum meta when I not even scum -_- Plus GB you still didn't answer a question I had asked -_- I will quote the question here: @HF: You seriously need to help us if you are town can you play the game correctly now? <3 @Rsoultin and GB: Any thoughts on Shockeyy? um right well still no do something with meee then ls | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:17 boxerfred wrote: I think that this is actually really relevant because if you're not the guy to change you're meta, you're most likely town. if I am to trust the meta read that someone (have to recall) made on you. Gonna look into rsoul too when I'm home. Just don't forget that all I did by now was skimming through the thread, reading Kelsier's and your filter. That's not too much, so my first conclusions won't be too great, eh? i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big one then you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:17 LightningStrike wrote: Okay what your thoughts on shockeyy because I want to compare what I think of him now after my nap and you so we can work together! well i outlined something about him in my lazy reads thing, his posts make him seem new and he has basically 0 reads, his list post was crappy but his defiance + "i only have 1 read" later was quite towny but now we are just littered with excuses which is pretty scummy so it's basically mafia unless proven otherwise | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O i read the last game he was in i know how new he is | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:35 KelsierSC wrote: I don't know why you unvoted him in the first place. clearly mafia. because there is no greater tease than afking my vote on rsoultin | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote: Hf Why is your read on me so wishy washy? The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk. bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote: I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote: Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/4wAO1N5uusbMQ/giphy.gif) | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote: I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly  (See Newbie LX).he's not a newbie you poop read the first sentence again??? | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote: Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? like seriously? ls i love you but come on you're pointing 2 different things out that are so wildly different but then asking for opinions on it, why can't you draw the conclusion yourself? "look how he was a hippo here!" "this game he's kind of an iguana!" "do you think an iguana and hippo are different?" | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the other your list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit i don't know why you keep saying you're the leading wagon when it literally means 0 things since gb doesn't scum read you and i haven't put you on my would lynch list and va didn't have you in his list iirc, it's clearly just afk votes | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the other your list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote: Because objectively I am and he sits to skimming the.thread which means that to him i'm the leading wagon that he doesn't know.from adam. Or whether.your.scumread makes sense or not. Sides this is the wishy.washy i'm referring to. Sometimes you.talk like.you think i'm scum and sometimes you.don't that's called being unsure, you should try it sometime! i also have absolutely no idea what you are saying because of all your auto corrects :D if you're talking about bf he definitely said he read the thread and even ignored the explanation i gave to correct him | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote: that's called being unsure, you should try it sometime! i also have absolutely no idea what you are saying because of all your auto corrects :D if you're talking about bf he definitely said he read the thread and even ignored the explanation i gave to correct him i also have absolutely no idea how you being the leading vote wagon would change anyone's read on you | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote: People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o woah woah woah woahhhhhhhhhhhhhh there none of that happened until you had actually voted him already | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote: Done now i'm erasing posts HF I'm town Votes say leading wagon Bf defends me and attacks your read But he just add the thread and hasn't read my filter to know if your.read has merit or not? How is this.escaping you? how does you being an unflipped alignment mean anything how does you being the leading wagon mean anything bf didn't defend you he attacked me he said he read the thread but if he read the thread then he wouldn't be confused about a timeline so simple as my vote -> that small post none of this is relevant to what i'm saying at all either, he doesn't need to read your filter or my filter or anyone's filter or any part of the game to realise that that post is just not scummy in the slightest if you make a read that is categorically false and i correct it and say you're actually a liar in what world is that scummy? no worlds that's why if he got it wrong fair enough but i CORRECTED him and he still maintained that it was scummy and had to do with whether i knew my meta or not which is wholly irrelevant and if he still got it wrong in his head the meta point completely invalidates his entire read -.- and i don't know why you're defending him either but if you make the argument that he is purely going after me because you were the leading wagon then why on earth would he pick my posts out (that make the most sense) over people's votes that didn't make any sense (gb literally quoted my post and voted you which should be far scummier to bf than my original pots if he thinks that post is scummy), va just voted you with no posts quoted at all etc etc etc | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:09 rsoultin wrote: I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM WTF IS WRONG YOUR READING COMPREHENSION?! I SAID IT MAKES ME WARY OF HIM CAUSE UNLIKE OTHERS WHO KNOW ME HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME. HE WAS SCUMREADING YOU FOR YOUR READ ONE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE IF HE HAS NO OPINION ON ME. AND I KNOW I'M TOWN SO YES IT'S FUCKING RELEVANT TO ME THAT HE'S INDIRECTLY DEFENDING ME OUT OF NOWHERE are we I'mthe same page YET or does this require more all caps I don't think anything is wrong with my reading comprehension since when you use the phrase "how can this escape you?" when i'm literally making cases about the guy being scum it implies you have the totally opposite reaction!? | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote: Because objectively I am and he sits to skimming the.thread which means that to him i'm the leading wagon that he doesn't know.from adam. Or whether.your.scumread makes sense or not. Sides this is the wishy.washy i'm referring to. Sometimes you.talk like.you think i'm scum and sometimes you.don't unless you mean this post you were agreeing with my read on him and that just means my reading comprehension is normal since it's a bunch of gibberish :D | ||
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hahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahaha man i also don't think he defends you so that's why i said it wasn't particularly relevant and instead just attacks me but the worst thing is that he ignores the reasons i made the post for | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:40 NydusHerMain wrote: Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today. just ignore her back she loves it i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes the people that i'd likely lynch today will be: the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote: just ignore her back she loves it i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes the people that i'd likely lynch today will be: the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels oh yeh shockey too | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:48 NydusHerMain wrote: Wouldn't MiG be the one getting replaced since he has 0 posts? And I see.... either mig or bill murray yeh the reason is that they both had to have /confirmed to play the game and doing that meant they had time to play, hts just asked for only ONE replacement near the start of the game which likely meant someone got their role pm and was like fuck this lets replace | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote: whats the reasoning behind my lynch? curious you actually attempted to post things and they didn't have any particular thoughts behind them at all and the one time you decided to actually try and give a proper read on someone it was "could be either town or mafia" it's not particularly strong i just think you have more well reasoned things to say as town | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:51 KelsierSC wrote: HtS gave a list of 4 and BM was the last one crossed off I'm pretty sure , that's your reason for voting him I thought. well yeh that was my original reason for bm and if he's the one that replaces out it's even more likely :D mig was one of the last 4 too though anyway | ||
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well he just said his post was a troll post of afk people or w/e so it doesn't really factor into anything, he's capable of doing random lists as either alignment so your post didn't exactly sway me in either direction, i probably wouldn't lynch him until i've seen something of actual value though i dunno i'm pretty sucky at reading vayne | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:59 LightningStrike wrote: I actually named VT weather you like it or not. I had claimed blue easly in my games as blue in the past. dude wtf did we say about claiming blue roles day 1 -.-? | ||
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On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote: you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. he's claimed blue as blue almost every time someone randomly pressures him | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:02 Holyflare wrote: he's claimed blue as blue almost every time someone randomly pressures him | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:08 Onegu wrote: Here is the best meta read on the site. When HF and Rsoul are both town they get along. When one of them is scum they shit fight with each other. you mean like the thing that i already mentioned as a reason for her being scum this game? ^^ | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:09 wherebugsgo wrote: ah yes, the "dumb = scum" trap Ironically I think this is a dumb thing for you to say. Although your anger comes off really fake to me...why must the worst people in the game be the hardest to read? who exactly are you scum reading btw? don't remember you saying a single thing since rsoultin penis battle | ||
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##unvote ##vote boxerfred | ||
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who turned out to be very likely town :D either way, chop chop! | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote: If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced On June 18 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: how does you being the leading wagon mean anything bf didn't defend you he attacked me he said he read the thread but if he read the thread then he wouldn't be confused about a timeline so simple as my vote -> that small post none of this is relevant to what i'm saying at all either, he doesn't need to read your filter or my filter or anyone's filter or any part of the game to realise that that post is just not scummy in the slightest if you make a read that is categorically false and i correct it and say you're actually a liar in what world is that scummy? no worlds that's why if he got it wrong fair enough but i CORRECTED him and he still maintained that it was scummy and had to do with whether i knew my meta or not which is wholly irrelevant and if he still got it wrong in his head the meta point completely invalidates his entire read -.- and i don't know why you're defending him either but if you make the argument that he is purely going after me because you were the leading wagon then why on earth would he pick my posts out (that make the most sense) over people's votes that didn't make any sense (gb literally quoted my post and voted you which should be far scummier to bf than my original pots if he thinks that post is scummy), va just voted you with no posts quoted at all etc etc etc reasons On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote: so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past ##unvote ##vote boxerfred | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big one then you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy oh and this | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote: how much of your boxerfred tunnel has to do with him voting you a smidge since i'm an "easy" target from my post style to new people but it's not the overlying principal reason | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:15 KelsierSC wrote: seriously LS has played incredibly scummy and he just claims named VT, the easiest thing to claim tbh and everyone is like well fuck he must be town then. It boggles my mind no one would do that as town. Unless they are actually the most mentally subnormal cretin to ever play mafia. and the circle of life continues and it's the same every game and we all get angry for the same reasons and then it happens in the next game too | ||
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"I think you're dumb because the shirt is white, not black" you're effectively saying that in this situation the fact that you pointed out that your shirt is white even though you have worn some different coloured shirts in your lifetime makes YOU the idiot..... for no reason? what you are saying does not make sense | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:54 Holyflare wrote: ok rsoultin thing is basically tone weird pushing on needless shit that i do all the time (literally the last 3 games i've played town in) arguing semantics fighting bugs on pointless things too ^ post that boxerfred has a problem with On June 17 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: eh i don't have any gripes with what she just posted ^ post STRAIGHT AFTER THAT POST THAT OBVIOUSLY RELATES TO RSOULS BIG POST are you really going to be that disingenuous boxerfred? | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:27 GlowingBear wrote: Should I sheep you HF? for the time being yes | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:00 rsoultin wrote: i actually agree with this in a skim, especially just a filter skim, maybe...but you'd expect him to have gone back and checked it when he'd already been told he was wrong :/ and regardless he was clearly aware of my post so he had to have seen the posts in the thread, since hf wasn't quoting me i'm fine with a bf lynch...i'd kind of expected him to come back with something else since he said he still needed to read if you skim my filter they are literally the posts next to each other which is even worse -.- | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. are you fucking kidding me? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote: I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. I don't know how anyone reading the thread can write something like this at all. and then he goes and says the only reason he looked at boxerfred was because mig said something MIG?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHHA | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote: so are we to assume that BM didn't confirm and the game just started cuz the host wanted to? w/e no since hts said if he doesn't confirm that other guy on the replacement list will replace in his slot so bill murray confirmed and then replaced so bill murray confirmed received his role pm and quit so bill murray was probably mafia  | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT.......... ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!? But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. no | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Please, hes my buddy and hes town. So leave him alone or else bad day damdred will be sad and i'm having a really good d1 i've never seen a town lightningstrike make such absurd statements as he has just made and throwing out arbitrary scum reads he can't possible think are correct | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: I actually think Fiede is mafia here guys and is a really good vote today. If you look at his filter and compare it to HG which just finished a lot of the things he talks about in that game are really fluid and confrontational at parts trying to figure out the truth on players or get his view points into the thread. Also when he doesn't like what players are doing he is going to get into their face. Look at what hes doing here, hes really not trying to rock the boat overall. He is trying to pocket/buddy up to people and is being noncommittal and not really following much up at this point or talking about anything worth while. I'm pretty sure this guy is mafia. forgot he was in the game, lots of policy talk not bad vote either way, why not talk about bf at all ever? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote: You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o you haven't read any of this game at all where we were arguing and i used the exact rule to say she was mafia and she said it doesn't even work any more so yeh ls, answer my questions because right now you're dropping farrrrrrrrrr down | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: i'm not going to do that your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ. WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG.... EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ> but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either. holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ. ^ A+ | ||
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4th time i've had to quote the same question now + On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: i'm not going to do that your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ. WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG.... EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ> but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either. holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ. | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote: even if damdred turned into a moderator and confirmed you as town I wouldn't believe it. bahahaha i love you dude never change | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do. so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward?????? if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading. However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box. i've been talking about boxer the entire game and everyone repeatedly ignores him for absolutely no reason so either hop on my wagon or not because this train is going to lynchville i'm still just going to interrogate people i don't think make sense since every time i rely or falter in a read it's because i trusted someone else's read | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: no since hts said if he doesn't confirm that other guy on the replacement list will replace in his slot so bill murray confirmed and then replaced so bill murray confirmed received his role pm and quit so bill murray was probably mafia | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: Because I was lazy about reading filters because the thread was much more interesting ans only read filters when prompted by others. Will look at your filter when I get back from Pokemon/Smash to judge you on content only. i've been super prominent in the thread lol?? whatever you do your thing and get back to me | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote: yo HF, gimme yo read on me? you still fencing me cuz of mind melds? not put much thought into it really since my hedging you made some weird read on damd/gb and defended ls and that's about it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for now | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:43 Lohengramm wrote: well this game is boring, no one will talk to me I'm going to make dinner we can't really say much until you catch up | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 rsoultin wrote: ... gb maybe scum after all liked yesterday but today was crap and then this yeh possibly super deja vu with the sheeping me but being hesitant about following my sheep at the same time like game of thrones | ||
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This is why, exactly: people are discussing people I won't lynch today, no matter how scummy they sound. Yet you say nothing about any of the cases i made on bf and continue to do something you criticised me earlier for? Ok dude | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:36 GlowingBear wrote: I am voting boxerfred? I was the first to cast suspicions on him? I don't get what the problem is. The only thing you have mentioned about boxerfred is his entrance joke post. That's super superficial of you and is disingenuous to say you have been commenting on him and also everyone being talked about you won't lynch. When did you evolve into someone that refused to talk about reads just because didn't want to lynch them?? | ||
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Hahahahaha gb, your team full of afkers? | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote: HF, why Mafia would choose especially you to pick on? what a crap question he has no idea who i am | ||
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I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit. i've made that quite clear to him about 5 times and he ignored it | ||
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it's NOT a town perspective to be told that you are wrong repeatedly and that was not how the post was made and he ignores it to still call me mafia and go back to afking (afking for long periods being his mafia meta btw), even if he thought this was scummy why did he not comment on you sheeping it at all since that would be far far far far far worse than me saying it AND THEN HE GIVES ME AN OUT IN HIS NEXT POST LOL he wasn't skimming when making a case on me since you know you have to actually have posts in mind to make a case, if you are defending him saying he doesn't give a shit and rambled a case off the top of his head without thinking then guess what alignment does that more >_> read the thread, he clearly states his entire post is useless if i actually do play to that meta because then he said i would be town so he basically already countered his entire post and only returned to continue doing pushing the SAME point -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- there's far more points than just that that i made | ||
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"im back 5 hours later to talk about that same point i raised despite you and everyone else correcting me" "oh yeh cya" | ||
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On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now. um you realise the new guy has made like one post? | ||
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Not sure to sure to super sure to 1000% sure all on the same posts :D | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote: GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory. Oh fuck yeh whoever mentioned gb's questions on va disappearing into nothing is my new top town | ||
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Nitpicking uselessly at breshke asking ls to explain himself more thoroughly and elaborate on more points. You asked him the most retarded question which just blatantly threw him off kilter from that line of thought WHILE TELLING LS THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND LOOKS SCUMMY. Like how on earth do you defend ls while saying he looks scummy while attacking the guy who is trying to make the scummy looking guy divulge more info. You don't unless you aren't thinking and are instead just saying things for the sake of saying them. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:13 Holyflare wrote: Nitpicking uselessly at breshke asking ls to explain himself more thoroughly and elaborate on more points. You asked him the most retarded question which just blatantly threw him off kilter from that line of thought WHILE TELLING LS THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND LOOKS SCUMMY. Like how on earth do you defend ls while saying he looks scummy while attacking the guy who is trying to make the scummy looking guy divulge more info. You don't unless you aren't thinking and are instead just saying things for the sake of saying them. | ||
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HF, LS has 8 pages of filter and he claimed a role. This is enough for me to give him a town pass. Yet you were more than comfortable to keep calling ls mafia for him calling out the smurf hunting thing? Sure gb, i believe this crap you're trying to sell me. I have no reason to scum read breshke atm and everything he says is logical and well thought out so yeh towny | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:23 GlowingBear wrote: LOL LS now I really want to vote you, just for this. I've NEVER called him scum nor town for smurfing and it makes no difference to me to define his alignment, which was EXACTLY what bugs was doing last game. Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:28 ritoky wrote: alright HF i am going to read BF's filter now just for you. You are a kind soul | ||
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Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies | ||
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"I'm not going to read a case on active people" - mafia gb 2015 Would 100% lynch yamato now that he's revealed too btw | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:07 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl anyone who doesn't understand the case on BF is apparently not reading according to HF e.g. please, I've read the entire thread and the fact that I cannot come to a conclusion as to why people think BF is scummy is more of an indication of the shittiness of the push than me not reading. Since you agree with me on GB why don't we just kill him instead of BF or LS, both of whom I think are bad lynches today? Don't understand is entirely different to not knowing what it is. Your case is the latter which is bs if you've read the thread. I've made the case on him abundantly clear. You even just hosted a game with him in it and he's totally different from that. | ||
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You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too. Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb. | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote: that's actually hilarious because internally that was one of the reasons I was considering him town. I don't think he is totally different from how he was playing in that game, but I didn't bother to use that as a reason because it's not really one that is easily qualifiable. If you actually think he is playing differently here you have no idea how to use meta. Answer these: Have you or have you not read the thread? If answer is yes, how on earth do you miss the repeated pushes I've made on him? All you've said is surface level crap of 'i read his filter and think he's town" while saying nothing as to the reason why and nothing about the case on him, nothing about how he's done absolutely nothing and when corrected does absolutely nothing some more. No way. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote: actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff. +gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago? | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote: DUDE IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE WHO SAYS "WE HAVE 2 BETTER LYNCHES THAN LYNCHING LURKERS RIGHT NOW" IS SOMEONE THAT WOULD HAVE LYNCHED LURKERS AS PART OF A POLICY IF THOSE 2 LYNCHES DIDN'T EXIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY Game of thrones mafia called, it wants it's fake rage back. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:52 wherebugsgo wrote: care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust. But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote: HF, what do you think of what i posted on mig? Also forgot about that. Was pretty legit. Wanted to wait for his reply though because I did like his posts, inconsistent pushing aside. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote: Don't hedge around modkills. I did it last game, and the mod fucked me in the anus. Hts already said first miss vote is just a warning. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, let's try it in another way. KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare: Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. are you fucking mad i've outlined it like 4 times now | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote: I want you guys calling me scum to explain this: 1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off. 2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention? 3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town? 4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town? 5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing. I want you all to answer these. 1) You have done absolutely no cases the entire thread and it's been 48 hours and you basically had no scum reads, I and several others had called you out for this. You were forced to make a case and it was bad as a result. 2) You have a MAJOR HABIT OF DOING THIS. Do not sit there and ask me why when in Game of Thrones YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME WHEN YOU WERE MAFIA ROFL. 3) to appear "carefree" since someone has mentioned multiple times that you don't stick to people as mafia or whatever, the flaw is that you had little reasoning and absolutely no follow up and little care about what happened 4) lynching lurkers is the easiest cop out and YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE CASES TO LYNCH MAFIA..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5) because you suck and know he does it as town all the fucking time and you'd look terrible if he flipped named vt | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote: Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head this is a good reason to vote for mafia gb | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote: okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy. any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs? ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not reading WBG because I think he is mafia or stupid I've answered those shitty answers from Holyflare no you didn't, you asked me specific questions which i definitely gave great answers to and you retorted with them with things completely irrelevant to the original question it's also fucking easy to just ask loaded questions like you're trying to do i've summarised your whole play this game and i don't think a town gb would be so mediocre the entire game, you had absolutely no passion about anything at all other than consolidating on lurkers, your only push was on breshke 40 hours into the day and it was so mediocre and kelsier quashed that very very easily so now there are 0 things that you say that have any relevance in this game | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote: tldr anyone? otherwise starting at page 77 @.@ tldr gb mafia, bugs very very likely town, i'm amazing | ||
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you threw all this meta about bugs and it got proven that you misrepresented it and you still stick to the same read of bugs being mafia because of the meta and his "unnatural push" which doesn't really feel unnatural at all same with breshke case | ||
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lynching active people also gives you incredible information post flip for people's reactions and stances to the wagon whereas a lurker lynch is a massive cop out and people can just free ride it to a mislynch if they are mafia you say day 1 is the hardest day to succeed and that's because there is no flip information, day 2 would be the same with a lurker lynch | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:30 rsoultin wrote: definitely carol -_- it irritated me no end that all he did was spam LYNCH HOLYFLARE off a terrible case xP as town lol >< *NB I WASN'T A LURKER LYNCH | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: You think there are no scummy lurkers in the game? What happened to the boxer read? On June 19 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote: ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:31 GlowingBear wrote: She is talking about the caps lock thing STOP PLAYING STUPID WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU No but your defence THIS game was that you ALWAYS want to vote on lurker lynches as town whereas that's not particularly the case. If you get intrigued about something you always push them with hell bent vigour. You have not done that in the slightest this game and instead just went for the lurkers until you were forced into a corner and have scum read 2 people that you don't even really care about lynching based on pretty weak reasons. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:32 Fidei86 wrote: That's a fair point, but let me put it to you like this. I work 12 hour days a lot of the time. Sure, I can mostly keep up with the thread. But when it's back and forth nonstop, mostly with partially thought through arguments, BM, off-topic chitchat and otherwise, how are people like me supposed to get an edge in. I made four substantive posts last night on four different people and I don't think I got a single comment on them, really, except one from Brez. When I look at your back and forth with GB, I feel like I basically have to go back to the start of the game to understand where it truly came from, which is 90 pages worth of mostly trash. What you did yesterday was good. In the event that people start to question your alignment they'll see you've put in work and eventually get to discuss it. It's just the way these large games go. Just because you have a preference for thread policing and less conversational style does not mean everyone else has the exact same preference. I for one cannot stand walls of text cases that I end up zoning out of and long paragraphs of posts because it makes it much harder to read peoples overall intent in the long run. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote: ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote: I don't feel nearly as good about bf as i do gb dunno how many times i have to requote this before i get people to unvote bf | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote: Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind.... Not lynching GB either vote gb or go back to afking | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:04 Lohengramm wrote: Yeah but his posting there was quite different than his posting here. Also, here he is coming back to the thread just before deadline to vote to save himself. eehhhhhhhhh hey that's exactly what i said earlier but bugs shut me down it's not exactly hard if he has promised to be more active tomorrow though and is complete shit thoughgb has had 48 hours to play and has actually made posts and has multiple reasons to be mafia | ||
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Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting? That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.thebostoncalendar.com/system/events/photos/000/019/660/original/hipsters_testicules_394.png?1413468018) | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote: even if you're right that it's more null than scum, hf, i'm not seeing how most of this makes gb scum but i'm still parsing through it hypocrisy doesn't make people scum contradictions don't misrepresentations don't (people misunderstand things or see things differently all the time) you know what i'm saying? i just need to skip ahead to the ls read i think that's where the real money here is :/ like wtf are you talking about, of course individually none of those things make someone mafia just like lurking on it's own doesn't make someone mafia and posting bad cases doesn't gb has the perfect assimilation of multiple scummy traits welcome to mafia! | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:14 GlowingBear wrote: HF you know I'm voting boxerfred because going against scummy lurkers and that my townreads doesn't want to vote Breshke Stop being stupid LOL NO THIS IS WHY YOU VOTED HIM TO BEGIN WITH DON'T PUSH THIS BULL SHIT NOW. HE'S STILL YOUR SCUM READ. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAH HAH HAH | ||
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"that's arbitrary interpretation x1000" while also saying you gave reads on everyone but commenting that you didn't give reads on cases people made lol and the question rebuttals weren't even replies involving the original questions | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens. ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear um why 10 minutes? why does it matter what gb replies when he's put all the information out there for you and we've made multiple cases? why can't you make your own decisions? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:31 Mig wrote: Bugs/hf, thoughts on boxer's return? missed his big post but after reading it i thought it looked ok and thought out, not too bad but not too good, seemed pretty genuine in respect to the saving himself and talking in future cycles bits at least | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:32 Holyflare wrote: um why 10 minutes? why does it matter what gb replies when he's put all the information out there for you and we've made multiple cases? why can't you make your own decisions? shockey answer | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: Shut up HF, good players are playing lynch the fuck out of this guy right now RIGHT NOW anyone that is voting for boxerfred ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME????? | ||
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HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO IT'S NOT PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote: how about you try giant list of people he's willing to lynch well before this you're just being ridiculous now you mean the giant list of people that includes boxerfred? sure also breshke whose case got dismantled in 30 seconds and gb still sticks to his case like glue ok rsoultin ok go away | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: meh thread captains probably lynching town gb thread captains should be fired lol we're not lynching me oneg -flicks- you are very likely mafia for all of this shit | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:52 Holyflare wrote: you mean the giant list of people that includes boxerfred? sure also breshke whose case got dismantled in 30 seconds and gb still sticks to his case like glue ok rsoultin ok go away read comment chain stop voting with this gb mafia guy | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:54 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm definitely not mafia nice way to set it up when he flips town for the tmi accusation though 10/10 oh wait doesn't that mean you'd have tmi too? o.0 this has nothing to do with his flip you are saying all of my arguments are crap and making false posts at a time when it's key to actually talk about them you're being fucking useless in a tense moment where i'm posting valid points either say how it's misrepresentation WHEN BF IS IN HIS SCUM LIST or die | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: excuse me? what exactly are you even TRYING to say? are you talking about his vote on shockey now? what the fuck are YOU saying gb thinks boxerfred is mafia because of his first post in the game, i am saying that people are voting with mafia gb who has the shittest reasons ever to be on a boxerfred wagon you roll in say gb is town and that's a misrepresenation because i should read glowingbears lynch list???? boxerfred is in fucking glowingbears lynch list you are repeatedly discrediting any good directional post i make | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote: i'm saying that i'm pretty sure that's not the only reason gb thinks bf is mafia and regardless he's voting shockey so what is your point other than to throw out random irrelevant things right before the lynch? it's not directional if it lacks direction IT IS gkewigjweioghuineqwoiw[j3ehg0i32wytj0i234 tyh0832 5 u30824 u32805 32532 ITS THE ONLY FCKING REASON AND HE HASN'T MOVED HIS VOTE SINCE HE HAS MADE THAT REASON | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:01 Holyflare wrote: IT IS gkewigjweioghuineqwoiw[j3ehg0i32wytj0i234 tyh0832 5 u30824 u32805 32532 ITS THE ONLY FCKING REASON AND HE HASN'T MOVED HIS VOTE SINCE HE HAS MADE THAT REASON OF COURSE MAFIA GB IS GOING TO SWITCH TO WHATEVER THE FUCKING WAGON HE CAN TO SAVE HIMSELF!? | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:01 Holyflare wrote: IT IS gkewigjweioghuineqwoiw[j3ehg0i32wytj0i234 tyh0832 5 u30824 u32805 32532 ITS THE ONLY FCKING REASON AND HE HASN'T MOVED HIS VOTE SINCE HE HAS MADE THAT REASON on no planet am i ever letting this post of yours slide ever | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: show me, and IF gb is scum i'll apologize ^^ but not before I showed it to you and you called it a misrepresentation. I say it's not a misrepresentation and you say it's not the only reason I say it IS the only reason and have already linked the post You say show you!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! | ||
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Final Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (8): GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, ShoCkeyy (1): LightningStrike (0): Holyflare (0): Onegu (0): Lohengramm (0): KelsierSC (0): rsoultin (0): wherebugsgo (0): Mig (0): Not voted (1): Lohengramm Slipping from the ledge, boxerfred has fallen into the abyss. Day 1 has ended. after contemplating what happened at deadline after i've given countless reasons for gb to be mafia and to hold off lynch bf i've come to the conclusion that this is the most accurate vote count analysis | ||
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holy fucking shit i know that and that is not a reason i scum read him at all?! i say gb's only reason to scum read boxerfred is his first post in the game rsoul says it's misrep and to look at his lynch list bf is in his lynch list?? she says it's misrep because he has other reasons HE HAD NO OTHER REASONS she says yeh whatever he's on shockey it's fucking obvious why he's on shockey because it's blatently to save himself | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote: ^ if that's the post you're referring to o.0 wtf hf did you read it before you quoted it? Explain it to me like i'm 5. the post it is quoted from he shits all over the reasons that i initially scum read bf for and produces this list of HIS reasons instead. The first reason is useless because it's a reason he already discredited from my case. The second reason is based off of his first post and only his first post. This is his only reason for a scum read on bf. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:28 Holyflare wrote: Explain it to me like i'm 5. the post it is quoted from he shits all over the reasons that i initially scum read bf for and produces this list of HIS reasons instead. The first reason is useless because it's a reason he already discredited from my case. The second reason is based off of his first post and only his first post. This is his only reason for a scum read on bf. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote: like what are you even talking about? you're trying to say he has one reason to lynch bf when there are clearly more than one in the post YOU QUOTED to disprove me which is...especially hilarious so yes IT WAS BLATANT MISREPRESENTATION and him being on shockey helps him how? makes him scum how? i fail to see the point /unless/ he wasn't scumreading shockey and why is he more likely to divide wagons as scum than town anyway? like are you paying attention to what you're even saying here? This has nothing to do with shockey. Never had I mentioned shockey before. You were the first person to bring up shockey. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote: i'm saying that i'm pretty sure that's not the only reason gb thinks bf is mafia and regardless he's voting shockey so what is your point other than to throw out random irrelevant things right before the lynch? it's not directional if it lacks direction proof that i never mention shockey and you used it to defend his posts when it was quite obvious gb only voted shockey because the shockey wagon wasn't him | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote: so basically you're telling me that he said his first reason was bad somewhere else then gave it as a reason bf was scum so as such you're only counting one reason and then when i said pretty sure that's not his only reason so you were misrepresenting him to try to get him lynched you then come after me? lol >< cute okay, well, if he did say that reason was bad before giving it as his reason i see why you see it differently but i don't remember any such post from him so you should probably show me ^ um..? no i made a case on bf everyone sheeped it, gb chronic afk and i tell him to do something, he says all my points on bf being mafia are bad. His point number 1 is something from my case which he called bad (IN THE SAME POST LOL) so his point 1 does not count as his own point and even if by some weird reason you want to say it does count then he's called it bad so why the fuck would he be using it and then if you want to say it counts as a second point regardless, it's not even a fucking solid point???????????? his second point is his only reason for voting bf, bf's first post of the game, the main wagon in the game and the only reason gb can find for bf to be mafia is his joke entry post you then trot into the thread on your high horse and tell me to look at his lynch list for no reason?? you spent a very long time making vague posts that didn't explain anything and were repeatedly throwing me off the track of lynching mafia like you quite clearly have a reason to say it's misrepresentation now but you were purposefully vague then to make me waste time arguing with you | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:40 Breshke wrote: Rsoul. There was two reasons GB thought BF was scum in that post. 1 (some shit about kelsier) 2 (His first post)That post occured first. HF then made a case on BF which involved point 1. GB then said no thats not right point 1 doesnt make him mafia anymore. Therefore GB only had point 2 to call BF scum about since he no longer agreed with point 1. Now I have no idea if this is all true iirc it is but you are misunderstanding what he is trying to say i think i love you | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:43 rsoultin wrote: i kinda just said how am i supposed to know gb withdrew or countered his own point in another post? thanks for trying to clear it up, though. i'm trying to clear it up with him, too @.@ because i made that point multiple times during the thread | ||
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On June 18 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: These reasons you picked from him to call him scum. I can see him coming from both perspectives regarding this Town POV (a) I can see a newbie looking at something that, for him, is scummy - someone displaying a self meta to call himself town. You saying that he did it just for the sake of calling something scummy is an interpretation of yours, but could not be his intention (nothing in his gameplay shows this - he actually voted you and pressured you) (b) 60 pages in 24 hours can make you mix things when you are skimming through the thread. You've seen me doing that as town quite a few times. (c) see point b (d) what question is that? Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting? That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. let's quote the whole post now let's quote the whole of the post you conveniently edited out of the first quote On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote: If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced hey look there's that point of mine you stole while calling all of my points trash much convenient | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I swear I didn't read that part I've just read the letters HAHAHAHAHAHAHA get the fuck out of here vig this guy | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:55 GlowingBear wrote: Trusting your read would get a townie lynched too. At least she correctly read me as town and you didn't. Now, how about you stop throwing dirt on everyone and actually start thinking about the whole game? There are 4 madia and you are locked in only one TIL that the op does not have the number of mafia in it gg glowingbear | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: -.- 17 players. You can assume there will be four Mafia or 5 if we have a ton of blues. Please I'm really trying not to call you Mafia for saying these kind of stuff. Please help me. I don't want this to be another Christmas Carol yeh right hahahahahaha | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote ##vote Boxerfred you ever going to explain this? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:27 LightningStrike wrote: Not be pressured I prefer more. But I got something to sya now guys. I lied about being named VT I just didn't like the type of pressured from KSC and KSC downgrading really bad so I faked claimed VT. I in fact got a VT pm and would rather get lynched if it's needed to clear up stuff on the wagons. ......................... .................................................................................................. ............................................................. | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote: what the fuck LS AHAHA your reaction is so golden | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:37 Lohengramm wrote: tina talk to me I need someone who has read this game to tell me what to think about LS I'm beginning to question my own sanity. everything he has done has been scummy as fuck the only reason people reconsidered was the claim he isn't even the blue he claimed only positive that i can think of is that he unclaimed which he knew would draw a lot of fire which he wouldn't have to do as mafia? unless he's gotten himself into thinking he'll be pressured for not dying as a blue or something i dont know i need to get out of here and cry | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote: yeah ls/gb doesn't make much sense hf blah i keep saying i'm going to get food i need to i'm out unless i have questions later...not gonna post again until i actually review the thread, eat your heart out wbg and why is that | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote: yes scum can bus but why when town bf is the other wagon? is this a serious question? yeh you're right my mind is just boggled atm + gb being mafia regardless | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:48 Holyflare wrote: yeh you're right my mind is just boggled atm + gb being mafia regardless like it's unlikelyyyyy but if gb and shockey are his partners then gb wasn't particularlyyyyy in danger of being lynched since shockey controlled the gb wagon and gb was luring to shockey wagon too basically major plays but not particularly necessary and i'm not willing to back down on gb out of stubbornness | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:56 LightningStrike wrote: I just to pissed to play atm and will get lynched regardless what I say or do. then ignore everyone calling you scum literally just don't acknowledge any of their posts and start quoting posts that you think make people scummy and the reasons why they are scummy for now take a break from the thread since you're clearly not in the right headspace to say or do anything and then come back with a clear mind and start spewing reads | ||
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On June 20 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote: Bugs: I so right and so townie i'm gonna die but did no work and just tossed names in. Lol so believable XP nice wifomy touch, too bad the effort doesn't match the sentiment On June 20 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote: Himalayas is in need of a second replacement. We are currently in Night 1. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote: This might be my last post unfortunately Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads because he said that? | ||
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you said he "jumps around everywhere" but when did he do that? all he did was make lists with little to no reasoning behind them and they were all based on various degrees of lurking too and apart from that he had no actual scum reads to speak of and when he did bla bla bla you know all the rest about his one and only point for scum reading bf <--------- which almost nobody has commented on btw +breshke/bugs posts that he never ever really pushed ever (when does gb not particularly push his scum reads?) anyway i've talked to death about him so whatever i'll post some stuff in a bit | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:14 GlowingBear wrote: I'm amazed on how you can be this wrong in a game. Let's try it in another way. Consider I'm town. What are the consequences? If you are town then a shit tonne of things don't make much sense as i said above about the mig thing, why on earth would he not vote you and make a shit switch to boxerfred when he;s called you scum all this time? why would shockey control votes or whatever and then switch off of you (i dunno shockey's reasons weren't too awful and it's a bit of a throw up atm for me anyway) why would all these afk: onegu, damd etc vote off of your wagon when i was pushing you so god damn hard and they ignored every single point i've made all game, the points thing and you voting on bf was so god damn legitimate and nobody has still said shit about it yamato makes sense as mafia if you are town since he didn't scum read you and then eventually scum read you in such a short space of time, him not voting could be indicative of a double town lynch and him just not giving a shit who got lynched i also dunno about vayne if you are town because the only reason he is getting town read by people is pointing out your game of thrones meta when i had already pointed it out numerous times so he'll be back up there basically there's so many things that just don't make sense as you being town that i can't really reconcile that you are town | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me who was the first who raised suspicions on mig On bugs On Breshke And you're saying I'm rehashing opinions? Please. Nobody gave a word about the fact of LS being afraid of suffering night actions + that if he is Mafia he is never godfather and there never is a framer on the Mafia team. Please. ritoky town read town read i have already said that the mafia motivation for ls claiming is that he wanted to survive of course looking at gameplay COMBINED with vote count analysis is how you do it, you know since obviously your shit is complete wifom if you just look at votes, you're not that bad to realise that do some deductive reasoning dude | ||
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On June 20 2015 05:19 GlowingBear wrote: Holyflare, if you saw this post: You can never give this opinion: Yes it's odd THIS night but you have been saying that it's weird ALL GAME. He town read mig all game and has been saying all game that he doesn't want to talk about town reads. There is 0 confirmation bias in this statement. He's been towny all game and i don't think that one point you bring up changes that. Also no idea why he replaced out so that could equally explain it, especially when his one leaving post was so shit. | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:05 GlowingBear wrote: And I've actually read Mig's filter and he DID have a suspicion on boxerfred. His post style was very clean too. He also looked like trying to solve he game, reacting to the thread accordingly to what he saw (and this ISN'T is what I saw in Fidei's filter) His vote on boxer makes sense to me now. I'm also admitting I was OMGUSing bugs. As I said, you will find odd things in every player with a huge filter. I think I could be biased because I overestimated bugs play as both scum and town. this guy just spouts off nonsense 24/7 | ||
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On June 20 2015 21:14 rsoultin wrote: Who cares? I mean unless someone can tell me how mig drops a hard scumread like that over so little as town I want to lynch him. We can deal with gb after that me? | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:21 Breshke wrote: Damdy has seemingly been busy. Do you think it is weird he seems to have the same unexplainable read on fidel you do? Idk about nydus. I thought he would be around near start of day since he said he was waiting till then to give his reads but guess not. I don't think that is scummy though that's because damdy is picking up on the massively obvious undertones and rolling with it which most people should be doing if you town read rsoultin | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote: This is true I suppose at least from a simplest explanation perspective which is why I get it bah lol ><I probably am just wrong on my read but if i'm right what then you know? I dunnae i'd really like the players not posting to.weigh inthen we'll be in this what if turmoil for like 4 more days :s | ||
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On June 20 2015 23:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: Wait, didn't you read what I posted in regards to GB? I talked about the lynch there to. Yeh i read it and have 0 idea what it says. You seem to just complain at gb while talking to him like you town read him? | ||
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On June 20 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Yeh he's bad. Shockey tell me what you think of gb at moment since you post like he's a town read but don't really talk about the lynch yesterday at all? plz just do this again in like a small bullet pointed summary why did you think gb was town, more so than bf? did you read the points everyone was bringing up on gb? what do you think happened at the end of the day at lynch time? do you still think gb is town? if you think gb is town then who do you actually think is mafia? | ||
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In all honesty, I would continue to push LS because his filter is just bad, but that won't go well with other townies for their reasons tell me the reasons and why you're scared to push it against people??? why would you care what other people think of you if you think a guy is mafia? | ||
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On June 21 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, I never said I didn't think he was mafia when I vote switched. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to meta. He himself claims that he doesn't like lynching the biggest filters on D1. So I tried what he normally does and it didn't work out well... umm earlier you had a completely different reason for switching? On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. | ||
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1) You were calling me mafia day 1 and throwing it around all the entire day. You especially did this night 1 yet had no problems with Kelsier at all. This never factored into anything you ever wrote. 2) You are now using the assumption that I'm alive to paint me negatively but there was only 1 kp that went off on a 2kp night. I could have easily been the shot with Kelsier. This looks incredibly like TMI that I may have not actually been the shot. 3) useless nitpicking at points that clearly don't affect anyone's alignment If you answer to 1) is that you thought Onegu had claimed it with Kelsier then your original scum read on Onegu and your rescinding of that look incredibly like you were giving fake reasons to change your mind on him. | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote: ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs town Kelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafai Onegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin you also made this list of posts after the claim had already occurred which seperates both Onegu AND Kelsier which means you don't even believe it to begin with checkmate mafiabear now plz just roll over | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote: Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town
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On June 20 2015 07:16 GlowingBear wrote: Why would he hidden it? I didn't bring it to surface to avoid them getting shot. But I thought that it was Onegu that claimed. That's why I flipped my read on him. You DID NOT flip your read on him. You scum read him for ages after. I literally just fucking proved that in that list i quoted. Regardless of that it TOTALLY circumvents everything else because point 2 is far more damning. You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl | ||
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and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:52 Onegu wrote: Dont lie I am and will always be your mason. URL. even if you got confused with onegu claiming mason it was with me | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now. and you literally lied about this if you thought onegu had claimed mason | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:20 GlowingBear wrote: Lazy, inactive, genuinely upset that he rolled VT. and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:36 GlowingBear wrote: I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason. I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here. And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense). Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game. Then you kill VA Then you win the game. This is precisely why everyone scum reads you. You argue argue argue about "oh woe is me how can you possibly think i'm scummy OMGUS you must be mafia" but really, 3/4 of the game are reading you as mafia. It's quite evident since you almost got lynched. Now there are multiple votes that are suspicious as fuck that make it very likely you are mafia, you have to die, no if's or buts or anything, the whole discussion is based around you. You aren't even thinking about that, you aren't thinking about anything from anyone's perspective. You push bull shit like "oh yeh totally reevaluated breshke" but that was after everyone in this entire game told you how shit that case was. Yet, here we are, and you're still pushing breshke lol. You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? You know your shot failed on me, you know you're fucked, stop posting this repeated scummy bull shit. | ||
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Your partners are very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF. Yamato is probably also mafia since he voted for Boxerfred in the thread instead of the voting thread but his scum read on you happened not very long after his town read on you and it seemed super opportune to scum read you at that exact point, he kept his vote open very easily to a) look good if you flipped mafia for calling you scum and b) voting on the anti gb wagon + the whole bm replace theory that i devised The other one or 2 are probably in the list of: shockey although I'm pretty undecided about this one since i can't make heads nor tails of his responses to my questions but it looks like he believes what he's saying damdred since all i remember him doing is like defending rsoul and then afking the entire game even though he's had internet back for however long it is or onegu since he has a shadow and the only thing he has done this game is shit all and telling us to lynch ls repeatedly aka not doing his shadow any justice | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Is the game that easy, HF? My mafia partners did everything to save me night one. They all voted boxerfred. Shockey, Mig, and Yamato decided to NOT vote because we all mafia together and they did everything to save me. (Y) And YES I assume there are four mafia. Please stop peddling your "mafia never do this" wifom here. It will not work. | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote: So, lynch HF "hf didn't die and he claimed mason n1, i'll disregard the fact there was only 1 nk on a 2 nk night and that hf is always the best protection target but still say lynch hf anyway" wifomwifomwifomwifomwifommmmmmmm "i totally didn't wifom" | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: Your reads basically are 1) A scumread on me based on very poor/forced reasoning 2) Completely unflipped association (Shockey, Mig and Yamato) based on a weak scumread on me 3) Damdred not being active 4) Onegu because he has a shadow. If people can't see how fabricated your reasoning is, I rest my case. No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today. Yamato is a lot of association yes but I digress. Even then, his play is very much in line with his mafia play, he bypasses reasons that happen in the game, he says surface level shit, he points out crappy things "totally vayneauthority" All of his reads this game have been very weak and non-existent. Damdred is an absolutely weak read yeh. | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:14 GlowingBear wrote: Dude. I wanted to lynch you not because you didn't die, but because you claimed mason with KSC and he flipped green. Why the fuck did you claim anyway? Think to yourself good and hard. Think about the logic behind this statement. I know it's tough. Just try and think. Then type facepalm into google images and recreate that situation in real life. | ||
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Breshke - no in game reasons other than meta from last game yamato - less reason than mine yet crticised my yamato read VA - playing like va ok gb ok | ||
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On June 20 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote: reading mig's filter makes him look worse than i remember him being in the thread his first few posts pretty good but then the rest are so crappy and contentlessy it's hard to reconcile that with mig from last game it's also pretty damn bad looking that he makes his first giant case on gb being mafia and kind of never really follows it in the thread and then when gb comes up for lynch he complains about gb doing mafia things but then finds the shittest reason to switch to bf ever?????????? badddddd Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands. You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive. | ||
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See, if you're town, you should be able to see Mig's town perspective. He raises suspicions on two guys (that were up for the lynch), with a stronger read on me, SUPPOSEDLY. THEN he comes back to the thread and sees two guys being up for the lynch. One is completely inactive and the other has 12 pages of filter and is fighting his lynch LIKE HELL. I can see him betting on boxerfred as town. To everyone else in this game. This should be proof enough that: A) Glowingbear has no idea what is happening in this game. B) Glowingbear is not reading the filters of people at all and has no idea about what they said at the lynch time nor their intentions about things that occurred. | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:29 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me again I'm not reading filters this is also super disingenuous to mig's filter the post before it is a giant wall of text calling you mafia, 5 more posts are pretty much after it saying you have 0 scum reads, you're pushing mafia agenda and flinging shit everywhere On June 19 2015 06:40 Mig wrote: I am pretty fucking torn honestly. I know I said I was going to vote gb but boxers return is so shady. Obviously at least reading the thread, comes in and completely copies bugs/hf for why he thinks GB is scum and then disappears again. his ONLY reason for switching is that boxers return was shady and nothing more, 2 posts on boxerfred like 8 massive reasons to vote you, boxerfred's post wasn't even suspicious in the slightest since like i said multiple times, everyone else found it pretty genuine | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:18 Onegu wrote: I will say HF reason for me being scum is shit. Like if I was scum wouldnt I be excited to show my shadow my scum play? Its NAI at best so why HF is scum reading me for it is so random... i've already said it's pretty wifom yes | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote: Comeon Rsoul you know Yama is at work... there's been multiple times when both you and he are around and doing shit all other than dota etc, definitely seen yamato sitting in ts chatting instead of playing either way that doesn't matter since we're talking about the entire game here and not just right this second | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: kinda took that as a joke honestly lol >< takes a certain level of stupid to actually believe that all his posts are like that | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: Also I feel so loved... Rsoul and HF came into TS lobby and just DC'd without talking to me T_T Both confirmed Scum You were playing dota :p | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't added him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason? | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:57 NydusHerMain wrote: Onegu is mafia. I have my only exam on Monday. Will tune back in when it's done. Planning on making filter dives on everyone tonight and making that my last post other than one liners and votes until exam is over. Sorry for the inactivity, and damn I was sure I was dying n1. uhhhhhhh what...? | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:15 NydusHerMain wrote: Hey Rs, and this question is only directed at you (and maybe hf), ignoring the threat I made against you (that was kinda trolly FYI but I never apologized for it and I'm doing it now) based on day 1, do you think I'd be an enjoyable person to play with on tl? I know that probably means you have to assume I'm town, which I am, but I wanna know if I should keep playing. I don't want to be that annoying guy that just posts but no one really cares about. Yeh, I think you were super towny on d1 and not bad to play with at all. Doesn't matter what your alignment is (still think it's town). Always encourage nice people to play more ! | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:41 yamato77 wrote: I am in the process of rebuilding my computer. ETA 2 hours. dear yamato, plz do something in 2 hours or die yours sincerely, everyone | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote: his reason for voting GB was: he isn't responding to me, then he just decided on a whim to switch to BF. his reads were weak. i don't find him to particularly be looking for scum, and i sincerely believe that bugs prompted him after he had been away for a long time and he responded quickly after (which implies QT communication to me) but why is that scummy? never seen a mafia want to stand out so retardedly by changing on a whim against such a blatant read that they had? but yeh his reads are super weak | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't add him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason? Shockeyy is the most coin flippy lynch in this game and I have absolutely no idea why you are voting him over everyone else. | ||
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Gb does not follow his own thought processes. He doesn't know what's happening in this game. He posts defences of people about their "town perspective" which make leaps in logic since it doesn't follow with the evidence. His response about not scum reading is bs "i don't scum read people i had town reads on d1" yet he goes on to throw shit at people like nydus for inacticity despite town reading him initially and doesn't even mention damdred who is way worse. So inconsistent it's throughly annoying that people are voting off of his wagon when it's so obvious. | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:16 GlowingBear wrote: Lol woke up to see this. This is not what I'm doing in the slightest. Also, cool townread on the second wagon, bro. Convenient much. But as I read shockey as probably town, I can't advise you against this. | ||
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Onegu features nowhere in any of your reads at any point in this day other than to say you thought he was mason. I'm shot every game n1 and every game I'm alive day 2 you question why I'm alive. Why are you acting as if that's not the case? You know it's extremely likely i got protected. | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:05 Onegu wrote: Yet why are you scum reading me. Its BS HF and you should know better. Getting heebie jeebie feelings on you more and more. Also today is my day and I will be going for dinner soon. Could really see a LS, HF, RuXxar scumteam now. Did you even read the list i wrote? You're the very bottom of a 6 player list | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote: Also fuck the cat for giving me fleas Your shut your flea ridden mouth. Meow meow is the greatest. | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:06 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not shitfighting you What am I exactly supposed to do? I gave all my reasoning. You don't agree with them. I really can't do anything else. See how the thread is silent with those two wagons? If one was mafia, wouldn't you expect more resistance? it's not silent at all, unless you think the silent ones are mafia it also makes 0 difference, you want the people i scum read to defend you but they are all quietish people that don't really have the power to defend so it makes absolutely no difference whether they are quiet or not resistance means nothing, stop using "what would mafia do in this situation" to get out of things, it's not going to work | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:48 ritoky wrote: it's father's day. i only have about 45 minutes of availability right now. how certain are you on GB holy? Lol wtf kind of question is that -.-? | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:13 GlowingBear wrote: His posts are mostly trollish He isn't trying to solve the game when he is online His scumread on me is based on a broken meta (he uses caps lock when he is mafia) His townread on Kelsier was based on a broken meta (he gets aggressive when he is town). He based this read using Kelsier's first mafia game. He isn't caring for the lynch today. If he has a scum read on me, he should kept voting me, but he decided going after shockey for -reasons- btw i don't think this was the point of that read, or at least, what i thought was that it was caps lock in totally random places that did not need nor warrant caps lock which that situation looked exactly like all the rest is classic va any alignment, what makes it different? | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:16 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, this Onegu lock on LS and his suspicions on ruXXar without taking a second look at the wagons makes him look VEEEERY bad. areeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu fuckinggggggggg kidddingggg meeeeeeeeeee | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:12 GlowingBear wrote: I really didn't want to reside on this but I am the detective and I have a green check on mig. Nop Nop Nop Guy didn't claim yesterday Nop | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote: that was my response, too, but it does actually explain the weird read flip on mig today? Or he knows he's fucked and mig looks like shit for defending him and fake claims? | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:27 Mig wrote: lynching gb would be retarded HF why are you ignoring yam. Do you think yam is town? If you think there is a chance that yam is mafia isnt it 1000x better to lynch him and leave an un cc detective alive. I haven't ignored yamato in the slightest. He's also a good lynch | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: But seriously why am I weird? I've had a hard town read on GB since d1 and haven't deviated from it. If i'm lynched i'm ok with it I sort of deserve it for unfortunate things happening Because you were afk the entire day and just as it gets to deadline you hardcore defend gb and haven't said a word about anything we've said about gb all day. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: Lohengramm (8): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare HF why did you switch to yam when you are so sure of gb and wanted to fight it the whole way? Rsoultin how sure are you on Fidei at this point still? Are you actually kidding me? He's an un cc'd blue and things that made him fucking dumb today like defending mig's switch and calling me bad make more sense with a green check. Even if he's stupid. | ||
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Honestly bit lost with 2 of my scummy reads being cop and green checked | ||
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On June 23 2015 02:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: What's your reasoning for flipping your read on me? ohhhhhhh snapple | ||
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On June 23 2015 02:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: Did you have any other reads other than GB who you tunneled? Have you looked into Onegu at all? GB what are your thoughts on Onegu as well? You seem to hate that he also tunnels only LS. hahahahah yeh... yamato lol :D :D :D | ||
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I'll do as much crap as I can before I flip so that you're not entirely left in the dark when it happens. | ||
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On June 24 2015 01:39 rsoultin wrote: Lol that feeling where mig is probably the best lynch? It is getting stronger you have to lynch me to confirm gb's alignment so no | ||
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very unlikely since there aren't any more town power roles revealed yet so it would be a bit low without the masons (+- GB's claim) and both of them being mafia is extremely unlikely (she basically claimed it on d1) | ||
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On June 24 2015 05:19 Fidei86 wrote: GB has claimed cop and has says he had a red check on you. So either you're Miller, you're Mafia or he's lying. Which do you think it is? well that's what my big post is about and it's irrelevant since you lynch me to confirm gb's alignment anyway, either miller and he's probably cop or vt and he's mafia | ||
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On June 24 2015 04:21 Holyflare wrote: I am here by the way, just writing up my posts. you HAVE to lynch me to learn gb's alignment, this claim could be complete bull shit and he's not doing anything to figure it out | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig or mafia see's that there is a cop in the game with a green check on mig and that one of their kp got blocked/saved n1 and don't attack him? or gb is mafia? lol nobody seeing that possibility either? | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote: lol gb i literally want every last player in this game (though i can't force it, obviously -_-) to answer those questions 1. I think GB's claim is real. I don't think scum fake-claims cop D2 in a 17-player game with either a fake red check on either town OR a scummate. It doesn't make much sense. 2. I'm inclined to believe HF is scum for the previously stated reasons. In brief 1. his declining presence in the thread 2. his reaction to the GB claim D2 3. that he didn't respond until after i said something about his silence. My final comment is that, because I believe GB's claim, I think his not being killed or roleblocked does point to mig actually being scum. Which makes holyflare's alignment moot, cause either he's town and this is a mislynch or he's scum and begging us to lynch him when the other alternative is...mig. GB a question for you: What reactions were you fishing for, faking a red check on me? 1. he was going to die 2. i just started my new job this week which you even mentioned? my responses have all been around when i get home. My reaction to his claim is that he was defending mig's "town agenda" all day when i was yelling at him for not being able to see that it was clearly not the case and it made sense at the time to believe that was the case anyway all in the post | ||
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really don't think mafia would frame me in this case | ||
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orrrrrrr the real scenario, you lynch me see i'm vt lynch gb orrrr the real scenario^2 you lynch me see i'm miller and vote one of the other scummy mofos | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote: nope, lynching mig. there's no reason to not kill or at least rb gb if he's town with a green check unless the green check goes against what mafia knows so if he's claiming this red check on you AT ALL hf, and gb is town, mig should be scum unless you see something i don't? well sure but i'm not mafia with him and you do not know whether gb is mafia to even begin with, the only thing that makes him towny in my eyes is the weird claim but even the that means his entire shit fighting spree with me yesterday was completely forged and perpetuated to clog up the thread | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote: nooooo then we lynch gb if mig is town cause he never should have gotten a check if mig is town unless the scum team is retarded well they shot beshke and ritoky so i have little faith in their intelligence :D | ||
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On June 24 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: ten times i've posted with that account there it is gb lol i cannot comprehend the thought process: "i'm town! lynch me!" ^^ except from slam. but you're not slam the man awesome Well that's just lack of intelligence on your part then Killing mig means nothing of gb's claim or anything to do with gb's alignment. Killing me does. If you want to analyse play specifically, I think gb's claim might be fake. He spent the whole day yesterday shit fighting with me specifically over how mig's intent was so towny and bla bla bla, we could have definitely lynched mig yesterday if he didn't do such scummy things. He literally purposely shit fought with me on every return just to perpetuate a fake claim??? Then the red check on me which is obviously wrong. It looks very scummy to me. | ||
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I flip town and that confirms gb one way or another. Mig flips mafia or town and it means nothing for gb other than he wasted time yesterday defending mig | ||
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On June 24 2015 22:12 rsoultin wrote: Makes more sense there's no cop in the game and mafia is so sure of that they're just running with it okay. So now you think he's scum hf? What changed since last I asked? Your flip still doesn't confirm his alignment and i'm not sure why you insist on perpetuating that poor line of reasoning please explain how it doesn't, either i flip miller or vt and only one of them comes back red???? | ||
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On June 24 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote: I'm not going to keep repeating myself, hf. You want to argue a potential mafia rb could be blocked but you couldn't possibly be framed more power to you. Yelling at me rather than addressing your read change or doing the work you keep promising doesn't make that reasoning any better IM NOT ARGUING THAT LOL never ever base your shit off of mafia wifom actions????? if gb is mafia, he fake claimed cop so mafia literally can do 0 things to block him?????? | ||
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"yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????" and also it's not hard if you read my actual posts to determine what changed my read on gb since I did actually answer you: On June 24 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote: Well that's just lack of intelligence on your part then Killing mig means nothing of gb's claim or anything to do with gb's alignment. Killing me does. If you want to analyse play specifically, I think gb's claim might be fake. He spent the whole day yesterday shit fighting with me specifically over how mig's intent was so towny and bla bla bla, we could have definitely lynched mig yesterday if he didn't do such scummy things. He literally purposely shit fought with me on every return just to perpetuate a fake claim??? Then the red check on me which is obviously wrong. It looks very scummy to me. On June 22 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote: Are you actually kidding me? He's an un cc'd blue and things that made him fucking dumb today like defending mig's switch and calling me bad make more sense with a green check. Even if he's stupid. the only reason i believed his claim was because it explained the shit fights and now the shit fights were literally just to antagonise me on purpose, there's also the fact that I re-evaluated that he didn't claim cop d1 and I don't think he would ever just "hold it out" like that and potentially die | ||
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On June 24 2015 23:05 rsoultin wrote: Yes. If he fake-claimed cop. Which your flip won't resolve definitively one way or another. Why the read change? If you're really town give us your analysis, lawyer XP if he fake claimed cop he's 100% mafia | ||
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On June 24 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote: It's super ballsy to claim cop and a red check instead of an rb in a game this size. The mig is moot because from a town perspective the scum reaction is what he's testing. It's a risky, convoluted plan for scum. i'm just going to stop speaking to you since you pick all the scenarios which are wrong and refuse for some reason to test his claim by lynching me which makes absolutely no sense if you can prove why i'd be framed by mafia when they think gb isn't the cop i'll concede that your points are better if you can't you lynch me and prove his alignment | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES There's several scenarios that I can think of right now and some of them seem a bit confusing. GB has told us that he's fake claimed his Mig check, so, the reason that I had to believe that he green checked Mig (his useless defences of Mig) now seem entirely strange and made up. (Like his Onegu read yesterday? TRUE DAT) There's also a bunch of situational shit (like never claiming cop in the d1 lynch despite basically being dead if not for shockeyy and mig (who he's now calling mafia >_>) If you want to get into crazy wifom territory, Breshke and ritoky were also going against GB last night. Couple this with the abundance of reasons that I've been mentioning all game, one would think that every single thing GB has said this game is entirely made up and false. The only thing that I can see that he's done that's "towny" is this weird trap thing today which I admit, even I was kind of convinced was true. However, this is very simple to figure out. 2 situations will occur: 1) I either flip VT in which case GB MUST be killed. No if's or buts. I very very very much doubt that mafia were like "hey, GB is cop and he's obviously going to check the guy he was fighting with all day let's frame HF" and GB got unlucky. I won't ever buy that situation. 2) I flip miller. Again, mafia not going to frame me. This scenario means that GB is very likely confirmed cop (does the rolecop show millers?) and you guys should protect him or whatever. REMEMBER IF SCENARIO 1 HAPPENS LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF GB. IF YOU GO AGAINST THIS I WILL SMITE YOU DOWN POST GAME WITH ALL MY FIERY VENGEANCE. You do not even need my filter posts against GB to realise that situation. If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. If you believe mig is town and GB is town then you believe mafia did nothing to stop him getting a check the next day and you still lynch me. If you believe mig is town and gb is mafia then you lynch me and determine that on my flip since i'm a VT So, in order to carry out the plan™ it's a bit fucking annoying but I have to plan it out for 2 situations: I flip miller - If I flip miller it means that GB is very likely to be the cop. In this case that means that LS is probably town (I have no reason to go against this read) so the situation looks like this in regards to the day 1 (and day 2 votes): boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): ShoCkeyy (1): Holyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig boxerfred (8): GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, ShoCkeyy (1): Not voted (1): Lohengramm Non-confirmed - Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority Now, in this scenario where GB is the cop the aforementioned people become the unconfirmed players in the game. One of them is a medic? (+ls) thing potentially if the kp was blocked/someone was saved n1 which makes it a bit easier for you guys later on. I flip VT - If I flip VT it means that GB is very likely NOT the cop and you should definitely lynch him. boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): ShoCkeyy (1): Holyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig boxerfred (8): GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, ShoCkeyy (1): Not voted (1): Lohengramm Non-confirmed - Damdred, LS, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly. On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc. Everything I right has some value. ^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down? Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense: On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else? This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing. On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!? But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading. However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box. THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? (GB) and then says he's only like 70% sure gb is town after defending him so hard and then proceeds to afk again. lol. ^ shockeyy top town for this too I think he's very likely mafia. Even with the long spates of afking he looked like mafia defending everyone. I think he has had one scum read this entire game that he's pushed but didn't even push it. at this point i've been put in the worst mood you've probably ever seen someone in so i can't be fucking bothered to continue anymore tl:dr - if i flip vt lynch GB, if i flip miller don't damdred ^ above, onegu (focused on ls all game, been in ts in times of mass posting and confusion and did nothing but play dota still pushed ls later despite many reasons not to and is scummy anyway), mig?(maybe, depends - check my posts about his flip in stance and compare to his reply also his vote on gb today is trash tier), VA (who the fuck knows, if gb is mafia va is probably not at all) I town read nydus since the comparison between his mafia game and this was night and day shockeyy has been talking in url's and is super towny and finding inconsistencies in things ruxxar is a bit meh but bugs was towny and i don't think ruxxar is doing that badly, especially for someone that was in 2 games at once (have to admit i've ignored him a bit though) if i'm wrong on someone it might be this guy | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote: This new chain of events is: Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote: Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head On June 19 2015 04:56 Holyflare wrote: 1) You have done absolutely no cases the entire thread and it's been 48 hours and you basically had no scum reads, I and several others had called you out for this. You were forced to make a case and it was bad as a result. 2) You have a MAJOR HABIT OF DOING THIS. Do not sit there and ask me why when in Game of Thrones YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME WHEN YOU WERE MAFIA ROFL. 3) to appear "carefree" since someone has mentioned multiple times that you don't stick to people as mafia or whatever, the flaw is that you had little reasoning and absolutely no follow up and little care about what happened 4) lynching lurkers is the easiest cop out and YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE CASES TO LYNCH MAFIA..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5) because you suck and know he does it as town all the fucking time and you'd look terrible if he flipped named vt On June 19 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: no you didn't, you asked me specific questions which i definitely gave great answers to and you retorted with them with things completely irrelevant to the original question it's also fucking easy to just ask loaded questions like you're trying to do i've summarised your whole play this game and i don't think a town gb would be so mediocre the entire game, you had absolutely no passion about anything at all other than consolidating on lurkers, your only push was on breshke 40 hours into the day and it was so mediocre and kelsier quashed that very very easily so now there are 0 things that you say that have any relevance in this game On June 19 2015 05:33 Holyflare wrote: No but your defence THIS game was that you ALWAYS want to vote on lurker lynches as town whereas that's not particularly the case. If you get intrigued about something you always push them with hell bent vigour. You have not done that in the slightest this game and instead just went for the lurkers until you were forced into a corner and have scum read 2 people that you don't even really care about lynching based on pretty weak reasons. On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote: LOL NO THIS IS WHY YOU VOTED HIM TO BEGIN WITH DON'T PUSH THIS BULL SHIT NOW. HE'S STILL YOUR SCUM READ. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAH HAH HAH On June 19 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote: lynch the fuck out of this guy right now RIGHT NOW anyone that is voting for boxerfred ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME????? On June 19 2015 07:41 Holyflare wrote: um..? no i made a case on bf everyone sheeped it, gb chronic afk and i tell him to do something, he says all my points on bf being mafia are bad. His point number 1 is something from my case which he called bad (IN THE SAME POST LOL) so his point 1 does not count as his own point and even if by some weird reason you want to say it does count then he's called it bad so why the fuck would he be using it and then if you want to say it counts as a second point regardless, it's not even a fucking solid point???????????? his second point is his only reason for voting bf, bf's first post of the game, the main wagon in the game and the only reason gb can find for bf to be mafia is his joke entry post you then trot into the thread on your high horse and tell me to look at his lynch list for no reason?? you spent a very long time making vague posts that didn't explain anything and were repeatedly throwing me off the track of lynching mafia like you quite clearly have a reason to say it's misrepresentation now but you were purposefully vague then to make me waste time arguing with you On June 19 2015 07:51 Holyflare wrote: let's quote the whole post now let's quote the whole of the post you conveniently edited out of the first quote hey look there's that point of mine you stole while calling all of my points trash much convenient On June 19 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: TIL that the op does not have the number of mafia in it gg glowingbear On June 20 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote: basically i'm pretty tunnelled on gb and i read your post about what he does as town or whatever and think it didn't represent his gameplay this game at all you said he "jumps around everywhere" but when did he do that? all he did was make lists with little to no reasoning behind them and they were all based on various degrees of lurking too and apart from that he had no actual scum reads to speak of and when he did bla bla bla you know all the rest about his one and only point for scum reading bf <--------- which almost nobody has commented on btw +breshke/bugs posts that he never ever really pushed ever (when does gb not particularly push his scum reads?) anyway i've talked to death about him so whatever i'll post some stuff in a bit On June 20 2015 21:08 Holyflare wrote: this guy just spouts off nonsense 24/7 On June 20 2015 21:09 Holyflare wrote: gb finally realises that if mig flips mafia he'd also be caught out and so hard backtracks "oh guys i've totally read his filter nowwww" On June 21 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote: Well let's see why you even pushing this makes you definitely mafia: 1) You were calling me mafia day 1 and throwing it around all the entire day. You especially did this night 1 yet had no problems with Kelsier at all. This never factored into anything you ever wrote. 2) You are now using the assumption that I'm alive to paint me negatively but there was only 1 kp that went off on a 2kp night. I could have easily been the shot with Kelsier. This looks incredibly like TMI that I may have not actually been the shot. 3) useless nitpicking at points that clearly don't affect anyone's alignment If you answer to 1) is that you thought Onegu had claimed it with Kelsier then your original scum read on Onegu and your rescinding of that look incredibly like you were giving fake reasons to change your mind on him. On June 21 2015 03:29 Holyflare wrote: you also made this list of posts after the claim had already occurred which seperates both Onegu AND Kelsier which means you don't even believe it to begin with checkmate mafiabear now plz just roll over On June 21 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: whoops quoted wrong list + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote: Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town
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You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote: There is also a roughly 0% and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it On June 21 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more On June 21 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote: This is precisely why everyone scum reads you. You argue argue argue about "oh woe is me how can you possibly think i'm scummy OMGUS you must be mafia" but really, 3/4 of the game are reading you as mafia. It's quite evident since you almost got lynched. Now there are multiple votes that are suspicious as fuck that make it very likely you are mafia, you have to die, no if's or buts or anything, the whole discussion is based around you. You aren't even thinking about that, you aren't thinking about anything from anyone's perspective. You push bull shit like "oh yeh totally reevaluated breshke" but that was after everyone in this entire game told you how shit that case was. Yet, here we are, and you're still pushing breshke lol. You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? You know your shot failed on me, you know you're fucked, stop posting this repeated scummy bull shit. On June 21 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote: You repeatedly complain about me pushing bull shit but let's not forget who initiated this disaster fest repeatedly. It was you. You thrive on making me spew posts at you because it disorganises the thread because of how irrationally aggressive i get. I was quite content questioning shockeyy and learning about his thought processes. On June 21 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Then look at your reads list and how you completely criticised mine for being surface level (none of it is) and then look at your read list Breshke - no in game reasons other than meta from last game yamato - less reason than mine yet crticised my yamato read VA - playing like va ok gb ok On June 21 2015 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Just fuck off then. Make a case and get out of the thread. You are clearly shitting it up. You know multiple people have expressed disdain at how awful the thread is to read for it's length and you're intentionally posting nothing of substance and flinging shit in my direction to draw out the pages and make it unreadable. Make a case on me and get people to vote me or just go away. On June 21 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote: this is also super disingenuous to mig's filter the post before it is a giant wall of text calling you mafia, 5 more posts are pretty much after it saying you have 0 scum reads, you're pushing mafia agenda and flinging shit everywhere his ONLY reason for switching is that boxers return was shady and nothing more, 2 posts on boxerfred like 8 massive reasons to vote you, boxerfred's post wasn't even suspicious in the slightest since like i said multiple times, everyone else found it pretty genuine On June 21 2015 23:42 Holyflare wrote: Has there been a single in game related mafia read gb has had? I don't really think so. Breshke and bugs totally just meta and everyone else is just afk reasons. Gb does not follow his own thought processes. He doesn't know what's happening in this game. He posts defences of people about their "town perspective" which make leaps in logic since it doesn't follow with the evidence. His response about not scum reading is bs "i don't scum read people i had town reads on d1" yet he goes on to throw shit at people like nydus for inacticity despite town reading him initially and doesn't even mention damdred who is way worse. So inconsistent it's throughly annoying that people are voting off of his wagon when it's so obvious. On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him? 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On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor. Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin. I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower. Kelsier is town Onegu is town Ritoky still looks town Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him. We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy. Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also. VA is a coinflip I need to read Fidei I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play. Am I forgetting someone? by the way this quote is 10 pages before the day 2 start where GB "checked" LS. Right after calling LS towny? I really really don't think so anymore | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:52 GlowingBear wrote: Kelsier Ritoky Onegu Rsoultin LS <------------------------------ Breshke Damdred Nydus Holyflare Fidei VA Yamato Bugs Mig Shockey This is basically where I'm at atm Bolded townreads are not in order. The rest is more or less in order from less scum to most scum. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote: You DID NOT flip your read on him. You scum read him for ages after. I literally just fucking proved that in that list i quoted. Regardless of that it TOTALLY circumvents everything else because point 2 is far more damning. You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl On June 21 2015 04:16 Holyflare wrote: and you literally lied about this if you thought onegu had claimed mason On June 21 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't added him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason? On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him? On June 22 2015 02:53 Holyflare wrote: Yes. It's day 2. Your original scum read onegu has done absolutely nothing the entirety of the game. You just find out you were wrong about the mason claim so all your original points still stand + all extra shit all he did carries into today. Onegu features nowhere in any of your reads at any point in this day other than to say you thought he was mason. I'm shot every game n1 and every game I'm alive day 2 you question why I'm alive. Why are you acting as if that's not the case? You know it's extremely likely i got protected. On June 22 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: areeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu fuckinggggggggg kidddingggg meeeeeeeeeee then he conveniently starts to put mafia incentives on onegu VERY VERY WEAKLY after criticising me the entire day for SCUM READING ONEGU and then he checks me!??!?! loooooool | ||
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"yeh gotta make this fake check believable by lying about everything" "oh hf is attacking me for this thought process, he must be mafia let's check him!" <--------- all of my what | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:29 GlowingBear wrote: I will never claim that, since I even told people that I scumread Onegu at night so he could be framed instead of you well you're going to have to soon, your judgement day is looming very near | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm cop. I'm town. You are wasting time trying to convince people I am not since nobody is that stupid. So, work only under the scenario I'm cop. Ok, so questions: Who is Mafia? Isn't mig 100% Mafia since my check went through at night and I'm not dead? What do you think of VA voting me without even reading the thread? What do you make of Onegu jumping so quickly on the fake red check on Rsoultin but having a hard time to jump on yours/still doubting LS's green check? I just made a giant post that said who mafia was??? If you are cop which I think is unlikely then it's Damdred/Onegu/VA/Mig <--- possibly not really evaluated all of the team together too much and it's subject to change Mig is NOT 100% mafia because like I already said, your check on me is bs since I'm a VT. If you are a cop in this hypothetical situation then Mig could also be godfather or framed on that night and not kill you or block you so you look bad for not being killed or blocked later on in the game and having extra checks while framing the people you are most suspicious of, the medic/jk/banisher could have also protected the person that rb's, there might not even BE a rb'er, it could be a mafia vig and the shot got blocked. Framer/Vig/GF or Framer/Vig/rolecop or framer/rolecop/gf anything. Independently from the check he might well be mafia yes, but likely with you, I posted about it all day yesterday WHICH YOU SHUT DOWN FOR NO REASON LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. There's so so so many hypotheticals which is why you lynch me today since mig is NOT confirmed mafia no matter what anybody says. I've seen so many fucked up plays because of mafia action wifom that I will not accept it. wtf am i supposed to think about a guy that doesn't post anything I already told you yesterday onegu was likely mafia and it's also in my big post WHICH YOU SHUT DOWN AGAIN.......................................... | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:47 Holyflare wrote: The only person i'm more fluctuating about is Ruxxar since he's not really done anything since he said he was catching up and has been afk since. I think bugs was extremely towny though (explained before - thought processes all backed up etc, pushing you) so I'm willing to let it slide. Don't let him get away with it all game though. ^ not the only reason though, I think it's quite disingenuous to miss out key things in people's filters if you're using that as your sole metric to catch up you'd look at it with a fine tooth comb | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:48 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't shut down your post, I simply asked you to not work under the assumption I'm Mafia -.- Why can't you give a word about VA but you can about Onegu? They're basically the same style of players. lol wtf are you talking about, VA hasn't said shit all game and if you're mafia he was contributing meta to get you lynched so shouldn't be lynched, if you're town that's all he's done all game onegu has actually posted loads and it's ALL about LS being mafia despite a million people giving good reasons for him not to be onegu (focused on ls all game, been in ts in times of mass posting and confusion and did nothing but play dota still pushed ls later despite many reasons not to and is scummy anyway) and i honestly don't care if you think my wifom reason is shit but i have no doubts in my mind that onegu would play a far better town game than "lazy town" to teach a newbie, he says he'd do the same as mafia but i don't buy it since it's way harder to actually step up a game as mafia, especially if a lot of your team is afk people and the thread is a spam fest | ||
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lol wtf are you talking about, VA hasn't said shit all game and if you're mafia he was contributing meta to get you lynched so shouldn't be lynched, if you're town that's all he's done all game ^ also it looked a bit tmi with the nk wifom he posted at the start of day 2 | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:50 GlowingBear wrote: GF AND Framer seems unbalanced to me, btw it's not at all | ||
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On June 25 2015 02:04 rsoultin wrote: Lol that one was actually mostly correct! The post on gb's ls read night one was what I was referring to as a good find On June 25 2015 02:16 rsoultin wrote: It's annoying cause I think you're both town and don't want to lynch either of you but we're on autopilot and town is fucking off allowing scum to fuck off too does not compute | ||
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On June 25 2015 02:32 NydusHerMain wrote: Holyflare you're probably dying and I do believe GB's claim. You made a case against GB but it's pretty obvious if he's mafia since you're gonna flip VT if he is so here's something I want from you. Let's say that GB is the real cop and you're miller, who's the mafia team? Town sentiment right now seems like they believe you're mafia with mig, shockey is partners with you, +1 so in the case that you're actually town and GB is still real, who do you think is scum? i've most definitely answered this twice, wtf? | ||
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Town sentiment right now seems like they believe you're mafia with mig, shockey is partners with you, +1 so in the case that you're actually town and GB is still real, who do you think is scum? I am also not sure how anyone has come to this conclusion by the way. I don't know why me and mig are automatically linked and I have no idea how shockeyy is thrown into the mix since what I wrote in my post was pretty cool about him (that he was writing hidden messages in url's in his posts talking about people being mafia if x happened etc) | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote: I think that's exactly what HF wants you to think. Tell me why he would do that as town. His gameplay in the beginning of the game was "I won't be active to survive n1", yet he fake claims in a way that if mafia sees it, he dies night1? into account. He thought I was trying to survive n1 so it's perfectly acceptable to think I may have been a role, he's also trying to spread suspicion of me on a night where only 1 kp happened so he doesn't even know if i got protected or not so it looks like tmi that i wasn't | ||
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On June 25 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig and what about the flip on shockey that shockey pointed out? completely unexplained i also really dislike how you aren't talking about anything when you return, if you're being lazy then it's better that you just don't post | ||
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1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him. you seem to be going by this situation but then never take into account that he kills were almost certainly medic dodges medic dodges while fishing for a medic with a rb in a game where there's no notifications? really gb that's your story? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:06 GlowingBear wrote: No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked not if you have a role clop and know i'm miller | ||
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PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT WIFOM SCENARIOS ANYWAY TY On June 25 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote: SO. Rather than looking at all the millions of possibilities that rely on complete wifom and sillyness, why don't we evaluate people's actual play in the game? talk to me about damdred, did you read my post? If you can come up with 4 scenarios and 2 of them include him being town then you fucking suck and shouldn't pick into wifom | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:13 Mig wrote: If rsoul couldnt mason last night the medic stuff is moot, would like to hear from her. it's an all game mason | ||
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On June 25 2015 03:06 Holyflare wrote: man i don't want to go through all of these scenario's it's so much effort??? there's many possibilities for mig so i dunno how you arrive at just 2, he could be mafia and mafia thought gb fake claiming, he could be town and mafia thought gb got lucky since gb didn't claim d1, he could be town and they don't have a rber, he could be mafia and they don't have a rber and wanted to medic dodge, he could be town and mafia wanted to medic dodge stop it gb talk about other people | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:17 Mig wrote: Why, it is a blue power role. Wouldn't a jk stop that. Either way jk would have most likely protected the claimed dt. Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it? ding ding ding biggest reason i think i've been role copped | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:19 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah people. That's exactly what I did. You've got me, I'm Mafia! Really, look at my thought process here: I was almost lynched day1 and I didn't claim. You know why? Because I'm Mafia and Mafia never cares for survival LOLOLOLOL, it's not that a cop without checks is as good a VT Then day2 came and I fake claimed without a counter claim, HOW LUCKY I AM, RIGHT? Then day3 came and I said that the green check was fake HAHAHA SICK MAFIA PLAYZ. I called LS green for no reason AND I EVEN SAID HF IS MAFIA BECAUSE I ROLECOPPED HIM AND SAW HE IS A MILLER, THAT'S FANTASTIC! This is not wifom at all! But NK discussions, oh, that is wifom! Don't talk about it! Your reaction shows how Mafia you are, Mig. Instead of believing the claim and telling me you're not Mafia and my logic is wrong, you prefer to align with Holyflare to push scum agenda for lynching me. So bad Day 1 you didn't think of the claim. Day 2, maybe you did get lucky? How is that relevant? You were 100% going to die and it was worth it to even survive just a bit. "Mafia only care about survival" <--- yes they do Day 3, you think you might get cc'd so make up a plan, you had already decided that mig was going to be your town check day 2 but this plan can make it seem elaborate and towny and make it look like mig is mafia and to make the claim believable you already lied about your stances on mig day 2 (which makes it very likely he IS town if you are mafia) this is quite backed up with proof actually, your stances on mig all of day 2 were that he was towny, you constantly came back to the thread to ONLY shit fight with me the entire day when I was calling him scummy, everything you wrote was to shit on my point of views that mig was mafia to say the opposite <--- mafia agenda already now you say it was all fake so you intentionally got in all of these fights to do what? nothing but spread suspicion on mig see how easy it is to make up points about what your "agenda" would be as any alignment? it's bull shit that you keep resorting to these types of posts and you know it, play the actual game and answer my questions who is mafia and why? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:22 GlowingBear wrote: This is exactly what you have been saying town needs to do in order to know my alignment. Now I've ROLECOPPED you and that's why you are getting lynched. Hahahahahaha Boy I'm so happy it was so easy to find 2 Mafia like that. How frustrating it is? Tell me, because I can even smell the frustration. It reeks. well this is after it was clarified and I remembered the points that you raised about me trying to survive day 1 yeh, so what? still lynch me and re-evaluate with a heavy lean that you're mafia | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:32 VayneAuthority wrote: i just dont believe any world where GB constantly calls me mafia and knows nobody is good at reading me and doesnt check me as there's no other way he will ever get me lynched. Not saying anything else because this is such a dumb series of events, cya at flip ^ yupppp especially after those posts i linked | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:32 Holyflare wrote: ruxxar where did you go? you've not really told me who mafia is apart from mig? and even then i posed counter points and you didn't really talk about them | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:45 NydusHerMain wrote: If HF is mafia I think this is a very interesting post. He assumes that boxerfred or VA are getting replaced and boxerfred ended up being town so maybe he says this knowing his mafia team mates aren't being up for being replaced and only chose who he sees as lurky town. I would think that this might make VA more likely to be town. Also in a further quote: and Which makes it sound like he slipped as scum by forgetting his lurky scum partners and decided to overcompensate and panic talked about them when he realized he forgot his partners. by the way nydus on re-reading your filter, that list is clearly a list of people I think might be mafia, the person getting replaced was between bill murray and mig because combined they had a total of 0 posts, the remaining 3 were mafia reads or people i would just be fine lynching Also On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote: You looked bored so I gave a quick post before readinghave you finished yet? it's been a while and it seems like you're just content ignoring the goings on for about 2 cycles now. I know your play was pretty towny day 1 but in the situation where i am a miller and gb is mafia and there is a role cop you'll be entirely fucked if you're town because you're complacent just lynching me and trusting that that means gb is cop if i'm a miller | ||
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Your reaction shows how Mafia you are, Mig. Instead of believing the claim and telling me you're not Mafia and my logic is wrong, you prefer to align with Holyflare to push scum agenda for lynching me. So bad This is also pretty bad and you know it since i've been telling everyone to lynch me first | ||
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On June 25 2015 00:23 Holyflare wrote: zzzzzzzzz sorry i couldn't carry the game more i'm pissed off like crazy anyway lynch me and continue game On June 25 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote: and you've still ignored every plea i've made to stop wifoming and give me a list of who you think is mafia (especially when i flip town), it's scummy as fuck so keep squirming bro, your lynch day is soon enough, I doubt you can even give concrete reasons for the lynches because you didn't pay attention to the game | ||
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which i'll happily oblige to and then you can lynch him | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: Because I think town needs to consolidate and it is too close to deadline to change targets and Holyflare has a big filter from who we can gather way more information than mig He is objectively a better lynch HAH he's lynching me for no reason other than information hahahahaha hahahahahahahaha not even because of a red check or anything because my filter is big LOL :D :D :D :D | ||
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that you think the mafia team is me mig and onegu but everytime i brought that up yesterday you shut me down and said no and then you checked me? is that what you're telling me is that really what you want to commit to gb? is that your final answer? | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:23 GlowingBear wrote: You know I'm talking about lynching you over mig Lololololol your attempt to look town martyr while trying to discredit me is amusing i'm not trying to LOOK like a town martyr, I AM a town martyr, they will lynch me and then you will die. 100% without a doubt, I will never let them live it down if they ever let you survive one more day after my lynch, EVER not after you just posted that trash tier scum list | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:09 Holyflare wrote: Honestly, I don't see a world where GB is NOT mafia. It ties in pretty nicely with my scum reads too. I questioned him repeatedly on why he didn't re-evaluate Onegu after he found out he wasn't a mason and he never actually responded then he conveniently starts to put mafia incentives on onegu VERY VERY WEAKLY after criticising me the entire day for SCUM READING ONEGU and then he checks me!??!?! loooooool everyone read this post now realise that gb is confirming himself as mafia after my flip literally CONFIRMING do not take this bull shit from him any longer | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote: YES That's my final answer and I've NEVER shut it down Honestly, I don't see a world where GB is NOT mafia. It ties in pretty nicely with my scum reads too. I questioned him repeatedly on why he didn't re-evaluate Onegu after he found out he wasn't a mason and he never actually responded On June 21 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote: You DID NOT flip your read on him. You scum read him for ages after. I literally just fucking proved that in that list i quoted. Regardless of that it TOTALLY circumvents everything else because point 2 is far more damning. You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl On June 21 2015 04:16 Holyflare wrote: and you literally lied about this if you thought onegu had claimed mason On June 21 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't added him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason? On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him? On June 22 2015 02:53 Holyflare wrote: Yes. It's day 2. Your original scum read onegu has done absolutely nothing the entirety of the game. You just find out you were wrong about the mason claim so all your original points still stand + all extra shit all he did carries into today. Onegu features nowhere in any of your reads at any point in this day other than to say you thought he was mason. I'm shot every game n1 and every game I'm alive day 2 you question why I'm alive. Why are you acting as if that's not the case? You know it's extremely likely i got protected. On June 22 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: areeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu fuckinggggggggg kidddingggg meeeeeeeeeee then he conveniently starts to put mafia incentives on onegu VERY VERY WEAKLY after criticising me the entire day for SCUM READING ONEGU and then he checks me!??!?! loooooool | ||
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I am town I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum? HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D | ||
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what the hell are you talking about you are spreading shit on me saying that I'm attacking your claim rather than trying to convince you when your check goes against what my alignment is why would i convince the false check of anything? I'm repeatedly telling people to lynch me so they stop afking and lynch you after i flip vt or miller or wahtever i no longer think miller clears you as cop at all anymore, especially not that role cop would reveal a miller | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote: Just so you remember, ritoky was soft claiming tracker almost the entire game and Mig never raised suspicions on him. He would if he was really a tracker Gj what!??!?!?! when on earth did he do this!? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:10 Mig wrote: Ok didnt want to have to do this, I am a tracker. N1 I tracked someone to bugs, bugs didnt die so would guess I tracked either jk or mafia trying to shoot him. N2 I tracked GB and he didnt go anywhere. I was hoping if the jk did protect him so maybe he would back me up about this. If you dont believe me ask yourself this in a 13 v 4 set up wouldnt a jk, dt and 2 town confirmed masons be fucking op? Even having a tracker is crazy strong. Gb is full of shit. If he were actually a dt he would have claimed at the end of day1, he wouldnt have risked dying. Mafia wouldnt have completely ignored him day2 and jk wouldnt have not protected n2. why the hell did you leave it so late!? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote: I don't understand HF asking to be lynched. Even if he flips town, we still only get one red out of it. Unless he's just given up? no, I left my legacy, it's probably damdred who has completely just afk'd with fixed internet and all that crap i wrote about him in my big post probably onegu who gb defended and DID NOT re-evaluate despite the only reason for town reading him was the mason thing which vanished (and then he shit fought me and now he scum reads onegu)????? + onegu sitting on teamspeak playing dota for the past 6 hours, not posted once in the thread | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:35 rsoultin wrote: lol no >< no no no you don't just ignore a tracker sitting on a no-track waiting until this late in the day to come out with it just cause you and gb have been at each other's throats all game, i'm sorry like seriously, if mig's claim is TRUE gb didn't check anyone (verifying the specifics now) and his check is 100% fake. how is that not relevant? well gb has votes on it? i dunno i can't speak for the guy the night actions will probably sort it out? or lynch gb or wild card damdred :D:D:D | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: depends on the mafia team make-up like seriously, if there are millers/framers/godfathers whatever the fuck then yeah it could be and we have no fucking clue cause no mafia flips and nothing but vts on the town side i mean like gb says ritoky softed tracker ritoky dies did anybody else see ritoky softing tracker lol?????? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:40 Fidei86 wrote: HF - presumably if you are falsely accused them GB must be Mafia, excepting some kind of unfortunate Miller/framer bs? looooool i've made that abundantly clear | ||
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On June 25 2015 00:56 Holyflare wrote: by the way this quote is 10 pages before the day 2 start where GB "checked" LS. Right after calling LS towny? I really really don't think so anymore read all the nested comments for people not clear, this is probably most damning | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:43 LightningStrike wrote: So Mig claimed Tracker and claimed that GB lied about going to HF? This is interesting. why didn't you question gb cop checking you when he town read you all of n1? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote: and to put an end to all this shit i massively breadcrumbed my role. ??????? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:45 Fidei86 wrote: just so we can catch up, HF you aren't making a blue claim right? no lol | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:45 LightningStrike wrote: Because I did some shitty things and would of been a check target for DT and Framer since I did claim and unclaim stuff so ofc I didn't question it. yes but he TOWN READ YOU for all of your unclaiming?????? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: He was townreading me before I did claiming shit if I recall correctly although I did a similar type of thing in XXX when I thought rsoultin was town but others said she was scum so I roleblocked her as the town roleblocker and she ended up getting NK'd . dude read my fucking quotes that was after you unclaimed | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote: damn it va you do realize that scum knows you protected bugs why would you claim here? that only works if bugs is mafia which will be the WORST play ever to do since lynching gb would confirm mig AND bugs as mafia ???? did you think that through? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:49 rsoultin wrote: it is 100% confirmed that rb's do not fuck with masons and a tracker tracks ALL roles including cop so why does mig not say shit when gb is claiming a check? why does mig accept gb's detective claim? that's pretty redundant now since he's claimed? gathering info, waiting, doing other stuff? plenty of explanations | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:49 rsoultin wrote: no damn it they know who they shot and they know that person didn't die ARE YOU THINKING?! oh lol thought mig said it was va first? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:52 Onegu wrote: So we lynch GB and if he flips Cop we lynch Mig, HF, and VA I'm still town in all of this and va is very likely jk? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: i don't understand mig being fine with jk/2 masons/tracker/cop in one game that's ridiculous i don't understand when he was ever fine with this when he's just come out now saying he's not fine with this | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:53 ruXxar wrote: Who do I believe here.. GB on my townlist...? Or Mig and VA on my scumlist.... ¿? WHY IS GB ON YOUR TOWN LIST WHEN I MADE ALL YOUR STATEMENTS REDUNDANT LOL | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote: he said it would be retarded to lynch unCCd cop after gb claimed ^^ super fine with it then super fine when cop came out with a red check and he was in the thread earlier NOW he claims? of course the real tracker says that so that they don't give away they are the tracker? i don't understand what the problem is, gb is scummy as fuck | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: like 100% he should have claimed tracker then saying GB DID NOT VISIT ANYONE but he just questions why gb is still alive/got a check? this is bullshit hf complete bullshit mig is scum. his claim is fake IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE LOL GB IS MAFIA AND IT MAKES ME FREE SUCK IT UP WOMAN | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:57 Onegu wrote: OK NVM just checked if RB were notified and they arent why... does that matter? | ||
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On June 24 2015 21:57 Mig wrote: I don't really have time to argue it, but I don't get why mafia would just let gb make his check last night. Makes more sense to me that gb fake claimed to save himself and is now faking a check since mafia only needs 2 mislynches. On June 25 2015 04:01 Mig wrote: I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney. So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either. All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed? everything he has said is insinuating gb could not have got a check off | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote: VA scum here also right? Plus red check on HF i'm still not mafia though, va is jk'er since there was 1 kp n1 and mig is definitely mafia | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:05 rsoultin wrote: and hf...if you don't fucking BLEED town like a mofo you're gonna have a hell of a time convincing me that you're really this fucking tunneled/retarded that you can't see how ridiculously unbelievable mig's claim was THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING ALL OF TODAY LOL FU I TOOK A SICK DAY FOR THIS | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so the red check is real on HF, Mig could be scum for his now fakeclaim most likely, VA is Jailkeeper which he did breadcrumb I just didn't notice it. On June 25 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote: i'm still not mafia though, va is jk'er since there was 1 kp n1 and mig is definitely mafia | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote: Half our players arent even here. Maybe someone will CC or claim vet, lets see there's no vet either dude wth game are you even playing lol? | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: As I said I based the call on GB's play. I thought there was 0% chance of him being town and I wanted to confirm his lynch finally. ty <3 exactly what i thought | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:17 Fidei86 wrote: So it seems to me that the next week of this game is going to be tedious, as we lynch Mig VA and HF. Wonder who the last Mafia is. why do people keep saying this there was 1kp on night 1 which is a 2kp night va is pretty much confirmed jk with no jk or banisher cc?? i'm also 100% town but don't mind dying to prove that if we get an extra mislynch or whatever | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote: Why are you pissed off??? at myself/gb (probably myself) + real lifez (already mentioned that today) | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:24 Fidei86 wrote: Short divine intervention I am lynching Mig, HF then Va in that order and I shall not be talked down. haahha dude please, read what i write before saying this crap On June 25 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: why do people keep saying this there was 1kp on night 1 which is a 2kp night va is pretty much confirmed jk with no jk or banisher cc?? i'm also 100% town but don't mind dying to prove that if we get an extra mislynch or whatever | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote: you're pissed off? ROFL >< you're hearting at who you should presume is possibly the real jk for revealing under dubious circumstances and the player who has to be mafia just cause they say gb was scummy? and this is mad? lol >< leaving leaving leaving...fidei will get what i want to say until i can cool off you scrubs don't deserve it am i not allowed to be pissed off? i can heart at who i want to, i'm just happy someone acknowledged the shitty inconsistencies gb wrote without completely disregarding it you know how fucking painful it is to push someone for 3 cycles and have everybody disregard my points on him because of arbitrary bull shit? it's also far more <3 worthy that they lynched someone who wasn't confirmed town rather than me who was confirmed town | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:27 Fidei86 wrote: HF the confirmed cop has a red check on you. I would literally be committing negligence if I didn't lynch you. i don't understand what you're writing i am town but yes, it's probably ok to lynch me that's not what i'm contesting i'm asking why you want to lynch va who is pretty much confirmed jailkeeper now? | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote: I'm willing to be talked down on VA, I guess. But that's at least six days away anyway, since we're lynching you and Mig next anyway :-) there's nothing to talk down lol i don't understand what's so hard x_x the kp formula is 2kp n1 and n2 there was 1 kp n1, which means someone was saved va claims to have jk'd the kp which means that unless anybody cc's him (they haven't) he is the jk that saved someone? va is town | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:35 LightningStrike wrote: Well I will be gone for a few hours and will check and see what going because right now I still kinda confused like I think lynching Mig is the right move now. dude mig is 100% mafia of course it's the right move | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:44 Fidei86 wrote: @Mig apologies for lack of manners. You seem like a nice guy. But you're mafia and we're lynching you :-) no she outed you day 1 lol, no idea how people and especially mafia didn't see it ^^ | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:46 Onegu wrote: @Mig I would like to believe you are too good to Fake claim as town to lynch someone you dont know for %100 sure to be scum even more so when that player is claimed cop. Also I am starting to believe VA is JK and you knew who scum shot and where the shot was blocked. I guess you made a good scum fake claim since you got the cop lynched and outed the JK. this is the fakest thing i've ever seen there is no cc why would you "start to believe" it?????? | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:47 Fidei86 wrote: ? she kept throwing you into her top town reads and defending you from people day 1 for no reason, it was quite obvious | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote: That's not the point. There are a few things to consider, there is 100% information and then there is non perfect information. You have perfect information on yourself, in the world you want us to believe the one where you are a tracker. In this world you tracked Vayne to Bugs n1, You don't know what this means. It could mean that Vayne hit Bugs with a kp and bugs was a vet at that point (during d2). But you never really seem to be pressing on vayne at all in your filter to figure out this information. You do harp on yamato and want to get him lynched. However when Gb claims if you are actually tracker you KNOW that there probably will not be more than one cop type role in this game or very very seldom will it be that way in a non themed game. But instead of going OK GUYS WE LYNCH 100% MAFIA IN GB TODAY. You go NO, DONT LYNCH GB LYNCH YAMATO. You don't act like someone who basically has a CC and act completely differently the next day towards gb than you did around the time of the claim, in fact why did you even track GB? You are sure that hes not the cop, but you claim he didn't move. He claims he has a red check on HF. You are full of lies it looks like to me. well done you just outlined what we've already said lol | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:01 Damdred wrote: I've had a really really really really bad week and a half hf and i'm trying to be just a little bit productive when I can. So even if you are frustrated at me please know i'm more frustrated at a lot of things so even things in jest are really frustrating to me at this juncture. well dude, I'm sorry :/ to me it looks like you are mafia though so it seems a bit fake when you make elaborate posts saying what's obvious mig is 100% dying tomorrow though and I suggest you read the game to see what happened and make an informed decision I hope everything's ok though man | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote: Well in my defense I was trying to get mig lynched yesterday before GB green checked him in the thread which is really frustrating at this point lol. I"ll try to read the game though and give thoughts but if I double up on whats already been said its just what it is. And it should be at some point. lol so was i and gb was shutting it down :D | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: No, let mig answer. He successfully said that he tracked someone to bugs and that person either blocked a kp or saved them. How would he know this information if he isn't tracker? have a guess dude -.- | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:45 rsoultin wrote: so why does mig claim to get gb lynched as mafia when you're getting lynched as town ^^ hoooooolyflare he's not in any particular danger. he should know you flip green. you flip green. people try and probably successfully lynch gb. that's game for scum but nope he puts his neck out to fake claim ^^ holyscum <3 god you'd better be scum this game what happens if i flip miller? gb confirmed cop, i'm dead mig is next? what happens if mig claims tracker cop dead, mig next? gg mig why on earth would i play so hard all day to get myself lynched if mig is just going to cc as tracker at the end of the day? no fucking way i take a sick day off for that i'm also not shit at mafia and would have killed you and fidei n1 ~_~ | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: what happens if i flip miller? gb confirmed cop, i'm dead mig is next? what happens if mig claims tracker cop dead, mig next? gg mig why on earth would i play so hard all day to get myself lynched if mig is just going to cc as tracker at the end of the day? no fucking way i take a sick day off for that i'm also not shit at mafia and would have killed you and fidei n1 ~_~ ^ this also aligns mig with me so that after he flips he secures another mislynch, whereas if i flipped miller gb might NOT be lynched | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:46 Damdred wrote: Then at least tell me why i'm mafia, if its for activity theres not much I can do in that regard for the past few days. If theres another reason we can talk about then yeah, but otherwise idk what the point is me getting mig into a corner that could convince fringe people for sure I suppose. well you should read the thread and find out because asking questions for the sake of questions to a confirmed mafia isn't that great and it would be very mean of you to make me repeatedly point out things when i put a lot of hard work into today while everyone just afk'd until right at the deadline (super convenient, no?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=180#3587 | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:49 Holyflare wrote: ^ this also aligns mig with me so that after he flips he secures another mislynch, whereas if i flipped miller gb might NOT be lynched or they are forced to kill gb at night anyway and then they don't get that extra mislynch at all, it also outed the jker for free which is a great bonus for mafia now | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:51 rsoultin wrote: lord knows but from your perspective mafia just decided to save town? for kicks and giggles? while confirming himself mafia? xP confirming himself as mafia gives them an extra mislynch and revealed the jailkeeper so yes, it's not a particularly bad play for someone who was classified as "definitely" scum and could have easily had shenanigans put onto him (many people definitely said mig was a better lynch) | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote: your theory basically hinges on mafia either knowing or strongly fearing that you're miller and being too scared to find ONE MORE TOWNIE to mislynch who wasn't gb that they're gonna save you that's an amazing theory hf lol >< no the claim was almost definitely to save himself, i don't know the exact motivation but i'm pretty sure your picture of what the game was like is incredibly wrong since the vote count before the claim was On June 25 2015 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (4): GlowingBear (3): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Damdred (0): rsoultin (0): Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred Clinging to the ledge, Holyflare hangs over the abyss. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. mig was definitely going to get lynched at this point based on everyone's responses | ||
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Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred if one of those is town then they could have definitely switched to mig too since the 2 confirmed town are on that wagon and i was fighting hard all day | ||
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On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote: mmm the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum... like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are: rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway) or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1 ...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation | ||
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On June 25 2015 21:15 rsoultin wrote: No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^ I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason. | ||
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On June 25 2015 22:54 ruXxar wrote: On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation See, here's my problem HF. You keep claiming you're not mafia, but any way I twist it, I can't make it fit. Here's what happened: - GB wanted to lynch you first to prove his alignment. You agreed that it was the right play. - Everything is going fine until mig out of nowhere claims tracker really late. Why? To get the lynch off you and onto GB. - For whatever reason VA decides to out himself(zzz) and suddenly it lends credence to the fact that GB might be lying. The core of this whole debacle is the motivation for mig claiming tracker, when in fact he almost 100% is not tracker now that we've seen GB flip. You agree that we should lynch mig, and that VA is the Jail keeper. The chance that mig is town fake claiming tracker to save you because he thought GB was lying is absurd. He should've just let you die and then we would've *known* for sure what alignments you both have. Like, why would he risk lynching the DT over a VT?! Makes absolutely no sense. If you can make sense of it to me, please let me know. Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? I clearly scum read gb and the tracker claim solidified it and i felt so happy that everything i wrote came true and then he flipped cop. GG. Best mafia play since cop dies and mig was definitely going to die anyway and now it spreads suspicion on me since everyone keeps saying hf and mig together based on absolutely no reasoning? Maybe you should read the last day again and see for yourself how scummy i thought gb was (was also very unlikely i was miller which hey, turns out i probably am) | ||
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It is a fine setup and it's usually 1-2 less roles for mafia so probably frame or gf + roleblock or whatever and mig's flip will give us a lot more info hopefully | ||
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On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote: read the part on ruxx nyd if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic. | ||
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Shit afk mafia team mate delivers kp to wherebugsgo. Wherebugsgo does not die. Shit mafia team mate is never in a million years getting jailkeepered. Case fucking closed. You can cry about my comprehension being shit all you want but the simple fact is you think that mafia got their towniest player to deliver the kp and risk getting rb'd which doesn't make a single bit of sense. | ||
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You keep saying shit like ruxxar was scum read and he isn't towny but totally ignore bugs. Bugs is who you should focus on. Nobody else. Ruxxar made no posts. | ||
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Who is their towniest player n1 likely to get saved? Please you actually don't think anything you write through and then just fling shit back at people that don't see it your wrong way. VA is jk he thought bugs was the person to save therefore bugs was towny. End of discussion. None of this makes any sense anyway because i don't think ruxxar is mafia and I'm not mafia and you keep making teams with both of us in it. So, shape up and find a better, correct team. | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:27 rsoultin wrote: lol nope not gonna focus on bugs like an entire scumteam was afk 4 hours leading up to the day post it's okay, scum. keep yelling nonsense How does it matter if the scum team were there if ruxxar had 0 posts. Stop skirting around the actual issue. | ||
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I haven't looked into damdred, shockey and NHM yet So what you're telling me is that when i made a case on damdred and you responded you did so without even giving a crap about damdred's filter?? | ||
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I recognise that there is a very minimal chance that HF is miller/was framed, but given that it's a red check from the confirmed cop, I think the odds are much better there than they would be with anyone else. You realise that this automatically loses us the game? It's not a "minimal chance" it's the actual fact of the matter. You need to reevaluate. I realise that having rsoultin in your qt is a detriment since she was so tunneled on wifom scenarios that she couldn't see the actual version of events that unfolded and repeatedly shut down any discourse for the correct version of events but still. I totally understand how hard it is to believe someone that has a red check on them but at least try what i did yesterday and make scenarios for the 2 eventualities that will unfold. "if hf is town mafia is x, y, z" "if hf is mafia then mafia x, y, z" because that way you won't be totally tunneled on the wrong situation | ||
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On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote: HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker. Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too? None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing. | ||
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On June 27 2015 06:31 ruXxar wrote: On June 27 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote: HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker. Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too? None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing. + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't matter, i'll flip vt or miller and then you make sense of his claim later really don't think mafia would frame me in this case On June 24 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote: like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town: "yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????" On June 25 2015 00:21 Holyflare wrote: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit Clearly you were not framed. So the *only* reason you were redchecked is that you're a miller. I agree that this didn't make much sense. The only reason there was so many town people on that wagon was because VA outed himself. If VA didn't confirm that he went to bugs, I doubt very few town people would've actually switched to GB. I know I would never even have considered it if it wasn't for VA. There is *no way* that mig could've expected that "support" from VA. Hence he needed support from other mafioso to even have a shot. Otherwise he would've just let you die. I already showed you why mig wasn't in danger. ----- Everything else aside, you want me to take the 1/13 chance that you are the miller? That is a 8% chance. I'm not taking those odds. If i get lynched the game is over. It is quite simple. This is not a game about "chance". You see my play which isn't mafia aligned in the slightest and judge me on that. The fact of the matter is that I am town, mig didn't "need mafia support" since almost the entire wagon is town anyway and it looks like tmi that you are ignoring onegu and still pushing this false scenario when my reasoning is solid for why I am not mafia. It's pretty hard to get me mislynched isn't it? I will fight you till the ends of the earth. I've only ever been mislynched once for a reason. | ||
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On June 27 2015 09:37 ruXxar wrote: I'm not ignoring onegu in the slighest. You'll say that you're town no matter what alignment you are so that point is moot. The fact of the matter is that you have a redcheck on you. Forget all the scenarios, speculations and roles. Occam's razor my friend. Either way I've presented my stance. People will have to judge for themselves. I'm going to focus my energy on finding the rest of the scum. If you can read my filter and tell me you are sticking with occam's razor because of the red check then you are definitely claiming mafia. | ||
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On June 27 2015 22:57 Damdred wrote: I think it's a fair point. I think,shockey is a good lynch past today. Oneg Idk it's a toss up. HF did you ever respond to,my response to you? Link it? I remember disliking it. | ||
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On June 27 2015 23:02 Damdred wrote: You don't like any thing I do this game HF, I can't link on,phone. Nah i remember why i disliked it. You said i asked you for reasons why rsoultin was town despite lying about my meta and then answered nothing about her lying about my meta and wrote that giant wall of text which bypassed everything. It was only asked because you left an unqualified "i think rsoul is town" read when i was pushing her. So for me to look at your filter, to me all you have done is defend people without talking about the points i raise. Defending rsoul bypasses the crap meta read she gave. Defending ls bypassing everything because you had no real reason to and then never actually defended him and then defended gb after afking for the entire cycle right at the deadline ignoring the entire 2 cycles of posting i did towards him and then only saying you are 70% sure on him into more afking. So tell me damdred why was i supposed to town read you? | ||
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On June 27 2015 23:33 Holyflare wrote: Nah i remember why i disliked it. You said i asked you for reasons why rsoultin was town despite lying about my meta and then answered nothing about her lying about my meta and wrote that giant wall of text which bypassed everything. It was only asked because you left an unqualified "i think rsoul is town" read when i was pushing her. So for me to look at your filter, to me all you have done is defend people without talking about the points i raise. Defending rsoul bypasses the crap meta read she gave. Defending ls bypassing everything because you had no real reason to and then never actually defended him and then defended gb after afking for the entire cycle right at the deadline ignoring the entire 2 cycles of posting i did towards him and then only saying you are 70% sure on him into more afking. So tell me damdred why was i supposed to town read you? And this is how the timeline went down: Rsoul says shitty meta is correct I say she's mafia because there's no way she can believe that meta when the past 3 town games with her I've done the same stuff You say she's town I say wtf are you smoking She posts big wall You post wall of text that had no reasons why she would lie about my meta I say she does look towny anyway because of big wall but acknowledge your super weird defence in the back of my mind | ||
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I am sorry about your rl stuff and I'd pm you if it wasn't regarded as cheating, you know that dude. I don't want you to quit if you're town and you know i grill things that don't make sense and that's never changed. | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:31 Holyflare wrote: this list contains most 4 mafia, if you are the town you need to step it up and make the game super simple If you're town in this list the game should be very easy | ||
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On June 28 2015 00:13 Damdred wrote: Obviously it was a rant at a few things and not directed at you specifically, mostly the pming thing was directed at shockey as he is inferring I'm crummy sine I won't five, my d3 excuse in thread. But if we go with just recent history on games and ignore the other games yes rs was wrong. If you ignore my past and just look at recent stuff I town hunt a lot. I mean d1 I'd mostly that. With odd defenses at the same time to. You also have scum reads though dude :/ I'm not saying that one instance of a lot of town reads make you scummy but in combination with ONLY town reading and ONLY defending when having not read the thread it looks pretty mafia motivated to me. | ||
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On June 28 2015 00:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I just don't see a scumteam where you aren't scum, there isn't enough people left alive where you wouldn't be known as a player. AT BEST lets assume Mig (mostly afk doesnt talk in QT much maybe), shockeyy, nydushermain....and thats where it ends. Damdred was not afk the day the breshke/ritoky kills were made, not sure if onegu was i'd have to go check. But really I just dont see any feasible scumteam that keeps holyflare alive if im not on it. Yeh but i'm a known medic protect and all the kills look like hardcore pussy medic dodges. | ||
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On June 28 2015 00:28 Damdred wrote: Sorta like that news game you mislynch me in as you were scum? Had scum read d1 on shockey and fid. Rs hard claims mason with fid I back off, shock was enough of a dick,for me to,turn that around. D2 scum read on mig push mig. Gb claims green I back off. Not here d3 Shows some scum reads today I didn't read any of that newbie game though so there's that and yes.. Showing some scum reads today is a start but i can't retroactively change the case i already made to include that can I I'm not fully sold on you yet anyway since you're the only one seemingly basing your read on me from play and not a silly red check which is +++. | ||
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On June 28 2015 00:40 LightningStrike wrote: I had killed you when I was scum Night 1 lol.......(Guardians) Well I'm not calling you scum and that would fail normally if rsoultin wasn't playing silly medic. | ||
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On June 28 2015 00:41 Damdred wrote: Do youbrealy think I don't kill you or Rsoultin d1 hf since you think the mafia team is pussy kills. I'm not fully sold on you yet anyway since you're the only one seemingly basing your read on me from play and not a silly red check which is +++. The thing is we don't even KNOW that i wasn't the shot???? Ruxxar could be mafia shooting me. No idea why people jumping to weird conclusions here. | ||
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On June 28 2015 04:53 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think there's much to talk about. MiG is going to die, and there are people who are associated with him and I've laid it out. I don't think you adequately laid it out since you said the team was likely mig/onegu/shockey and then questioned rsoultin about her stance on her weird wifom but never made a conclusion to that team, I also responded to your points you laid out against my filter. Did you see them? | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:56 NydusHerMain wrote: I just feel like no matter what, the red check is going to get you in the end regardless of your alignment. I will not let that happen. Ever. | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote: The correct play is to lynch the scummiest player. If you lynch hf do it for a real reason not just a red check as in a totally closed setup doesn't mean quite as much. For example why would scum team totally sacrifice mig for hf there? Idk what the point is except we go gb, mig then hf in that scenario. It looks much more likely atm that role cop gb drew Out vayne and we have a mislynch in hf incoming. This is pretty much correct. If i am mafia i worked my ass off taking a day off work just to appear towny just so my team mate would claim tracker and get us both lynched for it? That doesn't make any sense in the slightest. | ||
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On June 29 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote: I don't know but if there is one they woulda framed me..... Don't you remember the situation Night 1 when I was scumread the by the majority of the game? Ya if they had a Framer they woulda framed me to get a easy mislynch if my tinfoil hat theory is correct. I have no idea why you think this when gb was the scummiest suspect ever and mig and shockey did weird suspect switches. Why would you be framed? Also, gonna do some digging and make a list soon so bear with me. Got semi food poisoning but it aint too bad so I'll man up. | ||
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On June 29 2015 08:00 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm this is a interesting post by VA regarding VA: So it seem like a paradox about himself regarding HF last Day Phase regarding how long HF stays alive if he(VA) was scum. He then asked us to decided if he(VA) is town or if HF is town. Just something interesting I had found while filter diving him. I don't see how this is relevant nor why it matters but whatever 5 ShoCkeyy 6 Onegu (Shadow: disformation) 8 Damdred 9 NydusHerMain(dafukbro??????) 14 LightningStrike 15 this is what my mind is telling me right now, if it's green->red i think you're townier than scummier nydus is giving me total like wtf's since he's just afk from the entire discourse in the game not caring what happens and then throwing around statements like he thinks i'm town but should lynch me anyway??? when i think back the weirdest thing was "hey rsoul and hf do you town read me?" <-- could be why i'm alive since we said yes and it's a very weird question in the context that bypassed all the discussion for no reason ruxxar is a weird one that i can't quite determine but i think he's probably scum for all of the weird logic he's been using, it's kind of weird stuff like oh i think you're towny but red check totally impossible to get past! and then changing his stance when he was told to by damdred??? struck me as super weird shockey is kind of poe since he hasn't really done... anything, even if he has more pages than all of his filters (his old games were like 5 years ago though so totally useless to compare now) i mean if i'm wrong on someone it might actually be shockey since i thought he had quite towny moments with his pointing out inconsistencies and hiding messages in url's on day 2 about gb damdred has been pretty inquisitive and questiony the past day he's been back which i like a lot but then there's his whole early game in comparison which is why i'm super hesitant to give him a town read but he's seemingly pocketing me with his town read on me despite the red check so keep on trucking because it's working ish onegu is like... seriously? ls read and only ls read, "consolidated on gb?" but not on mig when the confirmed town's were asking for it and has chronically been afk playing dota while discussions are going on, probably strongest mafia read at the moment shockey/onegu/damdred/nydus/ruxxar, i can see myself being wrong on damdred potentially and possibly nydus or shockey so that leaves onegu/ruxxar/(nydus/damd/shockey) will flesh this out after i stop puking :/ | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:19 NydusHerMain wrote: Here's why I want to lynch you regardless of my town read on you. Rs wanted to kill the fuck out of you next after mig and there was no reason for her to die over VA who could've potentially gotten a save on RS. If RS were alive today, she'd be gunning for you. If she was alive yesterday, she would be making a huge case against you. If I were scum and you're town, I nk in the order of VA and then Fidei, ride RS like a parapalegic in a wheelchair and try to get a ML on you. Towny as fuck or not, she was going after you and scum has no reason to kill her if she's pushing a town HF. um...? mafia could have a rber and rsoultin was actually talking whereas va said nothing, shooting towny people far more of an agenda than people pushing things either way, you are NEVER going to lynch me, I will simply NOT allow it, there is no way i'm getting mislynched in this game because people are too stubborn to accept what's right in front of their faces and instead resort to the wifom it's great that you keep pushing this agenda though because you've pretty much pushed it for a long time and nothing you say has changed in the slightest and doesn't attempt to solve the game at all bypassing gameplay and going for wifom nk logic is typical mafia play | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:13 Holyflare wrote: talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi Onegu, I know you're sitting in teamspeak and playing games of Dota 2 right now. Are you actually going to play and talk about this or not? | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote: She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums" Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote: You looked bored so I gave a quick post before readingOn June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote: What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy. Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not. | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). no longer applies? | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:05 NydusHerMain wrote: If I've been afk that long, my filter shouldn't be that hard to go through. I've pushed on onegu and shockey for a while now. When I called you town, it was a heat of the moment thing. I called you town in that exact moment because you were trying so hard but if you think about it, there's a chance that MiG decided to claim randomly instead of (what I was more leaning towards) him having gotten a claim ready since the beginning. You as scum partners with MiG fight really hard that day when you're red checked, then suddenly, the votes start turning onto MiG so he decides to claim. Otherwise, a lot of things I have started to think about have lead to you being scum over town. It's called reevaluation. So what was his play as mafia on the spur of the moment? lynch gb and then gb flips cop and he sacrifices 2 mafia people for gb since the red check is revealed as true?? | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote: His play outted the jailer and town sentiment was to lynch you regardless. No, actually. Town sentiment was overwhelmingly that I was town. I was the only one pushing that I should die purely for the information. So, knowing that I was town read and since you say that the sentiment was going to a Mig lynch. You are saying he claimed tracker on the spur of the moment to reveal the jk and lynch gb. If this was the case then he automatically undoes everything that I was doing the entire day and getting town read just to associate him with me? That was his plan? "hey my buddy hf is doing pretty well at getting town read, let's fuck him over!" I don't think that's a thing that happens. You're also forgoing my d2 play where the entire day was me getting into a shit fight with GB because me and rsoultin were calling Mig mafia the entire day and Glowingbear was defending him the entire day: + Show Spoiler + very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today. On June 21 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote: Shockey has been posting his entire thought process. I've been quizzing him endlessly, I'm still not even sure on him. Mig is nowhere in site, he had no reason to switch at all. Absolutely nowhere did he site the reasons "gb is playing and bf isn't even though bf said he couldn't play" Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands. You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive. bla bla there's an endless list of me attacking mig and gb doing shit defences of him Regardless, on another note you keep saying how you've "pushed" shockey and Onegu but outline how some of those people are easy mislynches if you're mafia. Why do you keep mentioning that like it's a point in your favour? | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:04 Onegu wrote: Its in my filter. He knows there is a framer. He knows you were framed, he claimed being red saying that you are red. well did he make that post before or after mig flipped? Also, i'm not sure how it's tmi? It's fucking retarded yeh but that doesn't make it tmi | ||
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how do you explain he managed to do 22 pages of filter then when his largest mafia game is like 3-6 and he just rolled mafia last game? + all the crap rsoultin was spouting about him? and i still don't get how his post is tmi?? purely because he said that he could have been framed in a crazy tinfoil theory? | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:39 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm saying I've guaranteed pushed on mafia.... um when there's 5 people in the poe and you're pushing 2 people, that's not guaranteed mafia lol | ||
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you're going to have to at least attempt to re-evaluate me based on my own play if you want to actually "win" this game, your saying that you have re-evaluated me on wifom doesn't count after all I like playing with you dude so, impress me ! | ||
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not really giving a shit about the game eh i admit this is actually a bit of an exaggeration since you did filter dive me and make some posts on that day, you didn't really respond to my response though | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:59 NydusHerMain wrote: Like I said, I started giving less of a fuck when we weren't in danger of losing because not only did I townread gb, he had a red check and if you came up miller we could lynch someone scummy anyways. I felt no pressure to really try to solve the ga,e because there were certainties laid out. Same as last day. Mig is confirmed mafia, that's it. Period. but if you read what I was writing then you should have been contemplating other scenarios? rolecops showing millers, gb checking ls despite saying he town read him etc etc, me flipping miller may have cleared him unnecessarily and you wouldn't even have noticed because you didn't read a word i said? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:55 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2015 14:45 NydusHerMain wrote: If HF is mafia I think this is a very interesting post. He assumes that boxerfred or VA are getting replaced and boxerfred ended up being town so maybe he says this knowing his mafia team mates aren't being up for being replaced and only chose who he sees as lurky town. I would think that this might make VA more likely to be town. Also in a further quote: and Which makes it sound like he slipped as scum by forgetting his lurky scum partners and decided to overcompensate and panic talked about them when he realized he forgot his partners. by the way nydus on re-reading your filter, that list is clearly a list of people I think might be mafia, the person getting replaced was between bill murray and mig because combined they had a total of 0 posts, the remaining 3 were mafia reads or people i would just be fine lynching Also have you finished yet? it's been a while and it seems like you're just content ignoring the goings on for about 2 cycles now. I know your play was pretty towny day 1 but in the situation where i am a miller and gb is mafia and there is a role cop you'll be entirely fucked if you're town because you're complacent just lynching me and trusting that that means gb is cop if i'm a miller entirely relevant | ||
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On June 29 2015 12:17 NydusHerMain wrote: At that point I probably wasn't done reading. If gb was mafia fake claiming, and he got a fake red check on a miller by luck, then he deserved the win ... Horrible thing to say as town but that's what I was thinking. It was just such an unlikely scenario that I was willing to Occam's razor it. mmm I was saying that he could have checked my role because of what he was saying day 1 that I was playing to survive so he could have thought I was a blue and used the role cop ability to find out i'm a miller and fake the red check but anyway not important anymore, where the hell is everyone else? | ||
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If there were no such thing as a cop or red check in a normal game and everything you see points to someone being town and you think he is towny and has a lot of content then why on earth would you ever contemplate lynching that guy? The simple fact of the matter is that you wouldn't. This red check is clouding your actual judgement and making you forget how to play the game. It's triple lylo and I'm not just going to sit back and let you get away with stuff like this. If I get lynched then we lose and it's on YOU. I absolutely will not accept the excuse post game that you got lazy and followed the red check despite thinking I was towny. I will look down on you as a player if that's how you play this game. Nobody is interacting with me about nydus or any of the points or anything I'm raising (apart from nydus looool) and it's pathetic. | ||
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On June 30 2015 03:05 Damdred wrote: This logic is bad, VA was more than likely RB if they have one, its impossible for us to know though. But likely to a degree You know that this is wrong HF idk why you would say something like this exactly. Actually HF this kinda brings a question to mind. I know you did push MIG d2 which isn't really alignment indicative to a point is a slight plus for you I think. However why did you believe migs claim over GB? Was it just a survival type deal to save yourself that day or did you think GB was the scummier of the two at that point? Just take me through your thought process here. And also people, stop being lazy fucks and look at other people besides HF. There are 2 more mafia besides him, we won't lose the game if we lynch them before we decide if hf is mafia.... Like ignore the red check and look at other people for gods sake. I don't see how the logic is bad and "I should know it" in the slightest. He's was simply trying to sheep dead players reads when that players reads had been wrong and it didn't make sense to begin with. Not to mention rsoultin wasn't really calling me mafia and if she was it was purely because I was disagreeing with her bad logic. Either way, if you have to ask me why I believed Mig's claim over GB I'm afraid that 100% means you didn't particularly read day 3 at all. I spent the whole day planning out eventualities for my flip and then decided that even if I did flip miller Glowingbear was very likely scum (had some wild role cop theory too). His lying, his checks not aligning with what he had said at night, his non-reevaluation of players like Onegu when he learnt new information (onegu not being a mason) and his "check" on me being red when his new list of scum reads d3 were the same list I made day 2 and he had called awful and bad. None of what he did made sense + I had like 100+ hours of tunnel on him. It just made "sense" to me that he wasn't the cop and confirmation bias or whatever i just saw red as soon as Mig claimed. (My vote was already on GB beforehand because I wasn't allowed to vote for myself). The only reason I did not lynch GB day 2 was because his defence of Mig aligned with his check. It eliminated the majority of what I thought about him. Then I learned about the fact it was fake when me and Rsoultin were pushing mig and he literally MADE me tunnel harder on him for no fucking reason whatsoever!? I was like ----- I'm pushing someone you inevitably don't know about and you used a "fake check lie" to get more info about instead of just lynching him. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense. What makes it worse is that nobody even talked to me for the entirety of the day 3 cycle. Not one person. Rsoultin ignored everything I wrote and just said I was towny and that the point I brought up re:GB's check on ls not making sense was cool and then wanted to vote Mig, ignored everything else. Nydus just didn't even give a shit about what I was writing and ignored it, fidei was just sheeping rsoul, ls/onegy/shockey/ruxxar??????????????????? don't remember them doing anything. Then when the whole thing goes down THE ENTIRE GAME BECAME ACTIVE AGAIN!??!?!?! All of these scummy people came out of the woodwork. LS I can see as being honest here but Onegu's intentions make the LEAST bit of sense. There were 2 confirmed town on Mig. Mig was considered scummy and the 2 confirmed town were pushing for his lynch but he wanted to consolidate with what? The cc and the red check without saying a word and not alluding to having read any of the thread or anything. On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (2): GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Damdred (0): rsoultin (0): Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. If I had to base the game off of just this one vote + based on what people have said their intentions were later, I'd say that Nydus is probably lazy town and LS is just mistaken. That leaves Onegu/rxxa/Shockey/Damdred. Ruxxar voted on Mig but I'll have to look into it to see what he was saying at the lynch, or even whether he was here because I don't remember that well -------------------------watch this space------------------------------------, Shockeyy and Damdred were just flat out afk doing nothing. If I had to base it solely on this lynch + actions throughout the game I'd say it was shockey/damdred/onegu as the remaining mafia. It's a bit more complicated than that though and damdred DOES look a bit more towny sooo /complicatedbrb | ||
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And also people, stop being lazy fucks and look at other people besides HF. There are 2 more mafia besides him, we won't lose the game if we lynch them before we decide if hf is mafia.... Like ignore the red check and look at other people for gods sake. Also this is EXTREMELY true (apart from the fact I'm not mafia so there is actually 3 people to get). I'm the person that won triple lylo for town in game of thrones. Mafia will probably have to shoot me or get royally fucked for leaving me alive in the next coming days. I've also been known to not try and solve the game as mafia in lylo and there's a lot of lylos so you should be giving me a chance to prove myself repeatedly. I haven't seen people giving legitimate reads in this game for a long while, it's all been based on night action and blue wifom. You shouldn't be doing that. | ||
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If you still don't believe it then you should listen to rsoultin's initial reads on me day 1 and 2 when she didn't get super stubborn and tunneled on wifom if you are so inclined. Holyflare - lol so...apparently not being able to play like i normally do and only getting snapshots of people's play is really hurting my ability to read the more spammy players like hf. this is not his scum play which is rather lackluster (at least to me) ... sorry! town, obviously | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote: Like tomorrow I'm going to build a little fort. Its going to have me,hf,ritoky and breshke. And I'm going to lock all the crazy outside of it. Were going to lynch ls/shockey, drink squash and play cards. Then once that's over we can figure out the game. But no one else is allowed in until then. On June 19 2015 08:11 ritoky wrote: bugs and shockeyy are mafia together. will say it again. LS's crap read flop on shockeyy makes me want to lynch him again. don't know why we didn't in the first place. hf is probably town regardless of gb's alignment. doctor protect him, and not me this time. damdred wifom me this, had you been here would your vote have stood? also mig might not be mafia cuz reasons. On June 22 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote: Why? Also I'm not saying a check on me would be omgus and I also think checking someone who was under heavy suspicion not great because of the possibility of a framer but that's meh logic I'm not really buying this to be honest but could still see myself lynching Yamato today to see how it plays out Since a lot of you seem to be saying that you like sheeping dead people's reads anyway, these are the people that were shot by mafia. You are assuming that A) I didn't shoot super obvious claimed mason's rsoul and fidei but instead shot people that were town reading me and scum reading gb?? (Also if you are saying ruxxar/bugs was town then i also would have shot another person town reading me and going after gb??) and on the next day I would have shot ritoky and breshke both of who were town reading me and going after gb's claim like it was still a fake claim. Now yeh, this is MASSIVE wifom I get it. If you discredit this post though you are hereby denying your future use of nk wifom to scum read me any further. | ||
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On June 30 2015 05:14 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm suspecting that those were role bullets because they didn't know for sure that masons existed but at that point on, they KNEW there was a medic/roleblocker um any mafia that didn't know rsoultin and fidei were masons after day 1 is playing extremely poorly lol, she blindly defended him from everyone's scum reads all of that day but yeh, you could be correct about the read flips on day 2 | ||
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On June 27 2015 06:31 ruXxar wrote: On June 27 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote: HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker. Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too? None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing. + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't matter, i'll flip vt or miller and then you make sense of his claim later really don't think mafia would frame me in this case On June 24 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote: like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town: "yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????" On June 25 2015 00:21 Holyflare wrote: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit Clearly you were not framed. So the *only* reason you were redchecked is that you're a miller. I agree that this didn't make much sense. The only reason there was so many town people on that wagon was because VA outed himself. If VA didn't confirm that he went to bugs, I doubt very few town people would've actually switched to GB. I know I would never even have considered it if it wasn't for VA. There is *no way* that mig could've expected that "support" from VA. Hence he needed support from other mafioso to even have a shot. Otherwise he would've just let you die. I already showed you why mig wasn't in danger. ----- Everything else aside, you want me to take the 1/13 chance that you are the miller? That is a 8% chance. I'm not taking those odds. You've made several posts like these where you use extra knowledge that doesn't quite make sense. You declare that mafia must be on the wagon with Mig because mafia must need to support him. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SCENARIO then it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mafia unless you think the mafia plan was to destroy 2 of their team. It's been laid out several times. You ignore all of this logic. You declare wild statements that mafia needed to do something but then never follow it up with what happens if i'm town or any other situation that could possibly happen. You ignore onegu being mafia (yes yes you scum read him at other points) but use the logic that mafia must have needed to support him to paint ME as mafia and NOT Onegu. It doesn't make a single bit of sense. You think i'm a good player, great, you think that I look towny and everyone has been town reading me but the only reason at the end of the day you think i'm mafia is because of a red check and THAT doesn't make sense when there is countless information to suggest the opposite. On June 28 2015 09:33 ruXxar wrote: Correct. I've heard multiple times that you are *the* best scum player on TL. It's not hard for me to imagine the best scum player on the site shitting town rainbows everywhere. You call the red-check arbitrary, but you can't just erase the fact that it happened. I'll give you props for playing well no matter what alignment you are. I'm not blaming you for being a good player. I'll be more pissed at the person we end up lynching if he turns out to be town, and he just didn't bother to actually play the game. On June 30 2015 06:23 ruXxar wrote: How is my logic weird? I'm trying to win the game, not hand out brownie points for appearing towny. Yes it sucks that town people look scummier than you, doesn't mean they are scum, just means you are better at appearing towny than they are. Also I did not change my stance on you. I don't believe that a person that wants to win the game like you claim would stick to the red check when it's been proven that: a) it doesn't make any sense for me to be mafia with Mig unless he decided to be a dick and kill his team mate for no reason b) it's been said a million times by people more experienced with my play that i'm town c) you've even suggested you would do other things than flat out believe i was mafia from a red check and have failed to do so: On June 28 2015 08:15 ruXxar wrote: Could you explain this sentence? I know that it's possible to be framed or miller, but still that's a pretty low chance. According to your logic I would be voting for Onegu / shockey. Most likely Onegu. Which wouldn't feel bad at all to me. I guess since there are 3 mafia left and we *have* to lynch correctly every day, we should go for the safest option first. If we get even 1 incorrectly we lose and the game is over. Then it's really up for discussion though what you would consider as the scummiest player. Can having a redcheck on you be considered scummy? I think it could be argued that it is, but it seems I'm pretty lonley in that view. On June 28 2015 10:48 ruXxar wrote: Sigh... the more everyone doubts the redcheck the less certain I become myself. If everyone has a different opinion than me, it's more likely that I'm in the wrong. You all have more experience than me, so maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. In the end it doesn't matter since we have to catch all 3 mafia anyway to win. I'll put HF away for a bit and try a different approach. I'll see if I can find any associations with mig now that he's flipped. -----------------------0 posts exploring any other possiblity in between ------------------------------- On June 29 2015 23:11 ruXxar wrote: ##Vote holyflare you sure look like someone trying to solve the game and not someone trying to push a mislynch on me! On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. and I KNOW you can't believe this post (not to mention the timeline is wrong) if you think I am mafia at all. Kelsier/ritoky/breshke all looking at GB negatively and I nk'd them all as mafia but you don't bat an eyelid to that information but as soon as something implicates me in 0 ways (you know... you totally ignore the part where rsoultin was posting and va hasn't said shit all game) you jump on it like a hooker jumps on a guys dick for money. Also, you can't possibly believe what you say in the second point if you didn't think VA had outed as JK because rsoul was a claimed blue and playing the game, who else would die? You seem to be just grabbing anything that paints me in a scummy light and never letting go. | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig What changed from here to now? Lot's of evidence to suggest i'm town but now you need my mislynch because the poe is running out. | ||
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Look at this from a mafia perspective. Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind. 1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is. 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch 2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop 1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed 1 POTENTIAL mislynch 2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb | ||
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The post you criticised me in had that exact line in it -.- -.- -.- On June 30 2015 04:30 Holyflare wrote: Also don't forget that we MUST all be unanimously lynching someone today (not me). You absolutely cannot be spreading votes out because that can enable mafia to all vote switch and win. I'm really finding it hard to believe you're actually thinking logically about this game at all when you nitpick individual points and try and turn it into me being scummy instead. | ||
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onegu/shockey/(you/damd/nydus, probably not nydus and maybe damd, leaning towards you for ignoring the gameplay and sticking to a red check since people have been red checked as millers in many games before and people seem quite capable of overlooking that and judging them on their play and making the right decision instead) a red check is the easiest bs to push right now will continue to do stuff though | ||
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You seem to post that the person who did the saving knows the alignment of bugs/ruxxar. Also mafia would know if he was saved because one of their kp would be missing on the target they chose (in this case bugs/ruxxar). I think it's a pretty futile attempt looking at why mafia kill people. | ||
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On June 30 2015 12:36 ruXxar wrote: If it was up to me I'd lynch them both today. I lean slightly more towards onegu for total lack of rational thought process. Like he makes some weird ass statements I don't understand at all. Like saying you have TMI. Saying you claimed red. Saying he voted on gb because he wanted to consolidate. Tunneling you all game for no fucking reason, just because he has a personal vendetta against you? Then when you are actually green checked he makes up hilariously unlikely scenarios to fit his world. Not one solid read out of that guy and afk all game? Fuck that, I'm done. you saying he's mafia and getting annoyed that he's playing like mafia? | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. The only reason you want to lynch me is the red check and you think everyone is deflecting off of me and a lot of people are calling me town. You know what that means? That I'm overwhelmingly likely to be town. If you think I'm mafia you have to explain away the mig motive that i posted last page where he outs 2 mafia for 1 potential mislynch instead of the far more likely scenario of 2 solid mislynches. | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote: That's not how I read what happened. GB came out and said he had a red check on you and an inference check on Mig. Mig wasn't in any way "outing" you when he spoke out later on - you were already in the firing line. What Mig did eventually led to us ML'ing the cop, which surely has to be worth it from a mafia perspective (the votes on Mig and you split, as you'll recall). @Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway. No, that's not what happened. GB was definitely saying we should switch to Mig. He even asked me to switch to Mig. I was not going to die that day (even though I wanted to). The only reason people wanted to lynch me was because they were not sure whether GB's check was real or not and lynching me would lead to the most information, you're even a mason with the person that was saying that so I have no idea how you can get the wrong end of the events on this one: On June 25 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote: I really really have a problem with flipping someone I believe is town just for info Eh, but I can see the lynch me argument now so we're not still here in mylo Mig was going to die. If he dies it's -1 mafia. If GB dies it's "oh look GB was cop and so the red check was legit and mig is confirmed mafia, 2 free mafia!!!!" If Mig's cc fails then it's -2 mafia FOR 0 MISLYNCHES. That is not a worthwhile trade ever ever ever ever ever why on earth do you think that this is the likeliest case??????? | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:38 Fidei86 wrote: Because it's not actually what happened? What happened was that we ML'ed the cop. Mafia (as you will know, being one yourself) just want to delay out the game. The mafia then got the chance to NK the jailkeeper and rsoult (who was our best player left), rather than the one NK they would have had before Mig flipped. That's a HUGE win for the mafia. And obviously Mig flipping doesn't doom you, since you're STILL here and I'm STILL having to convince everyone to lynch you. how is that not what happened!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm STILL here because we lynched the 100% mafia cc'd mig, no other reason and now you want to lynch me for the red check WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. Mig ccing gb and revealing gb to be the actual cop stops people doubting whether gb is the cop or not and makes them focus solely on the red check. Mig's "play" to get the cop lynched and survived is THE LEAST effective route to have taken ever if we're both mafia!??!?! | ||
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Your town reads all think i'm town but the red check. Onegu and Damdred think I am town even with the red check. LS thinks i'm town even with the red check. All of these people have experience playing with me and they say you are wrong. Rsoultin even thought I was town the ENTIRE game. The only reason that you want to lynch me now is because you are scared of being wrong and are being stubborn but the fact of the matter is that lynching me now is the WORST move you can possibly do. I absolutely destroy mafia in lylo's and that will continue to happen this game if i'm left alive another cycle or two. You are the CONFIRMED town and you are doing practically shit all to evaluate or re-evaluate people for their play. WIFOM is not an effective tool to play the game and you will lose more than you win playing like that. Mafia are very very likely to kill me if i shit town even more than i am and you are the only person to not realise that. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:36 Fidei86 wrote: HF - I don't need to convince you that you are mafia, I need to convince everyone else. Everyone else - we have a RED CHECK from the CONFIRMED COP on HF. If you are town and you're not sure who to vote for, that should be more than enough for you. Don't let HF's consistent insistence that he is town fool you. There are a plethora of games where people have been red checked and they were town. Pick a new angle since it's not working. You don't need to convince me no but I NEED to convince you. I am town, there is nothing that's going to change that. You yelling that there is a red check when everyone and their mother knows there is a red check is not going to change anything. People still know i'm town. There's no 2 ways about it. Being red checked means absolutely nothing. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:39 Fidei86 wrote: Also HF - I am the one who actually had access to rsoult's QT. So I think people can trust me when I say that rsoult was leaning scum on you, and was happy to lynch you. and when was this? That is quite clearly at the end of last night and that's only because she was being argued against for her shitty nk wifom point of view which was and still is wrong, there's plenty evidence in the thread which points to her town reading me | ||
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On June 27 2015 23:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: My scumreads are between you and Onegu. You talk about me being inactive, but you yourself were inactive this whole game to or do you seem to forget? LS even said it, this has been my most active game in the whole database, I want you to tell me why I can be scum? Your previous scum games are so similar to this game too. On June 29 2015 10:02 Onegu wrote: Dont be terrible HF. I think you are town but you are being bad. Im not only reading LS scum but ruxxar also. On June 28 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing. What about this game screams hf is the best scum player ever if he's scum. Having his team mate sacrifice himself,for a cop during the game,and getting himself lynched next. Super weird kills? It just doesn't look right for a hf scuk On June 28 2015 07:35 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm not going to lie, I'm town reading HF lightly but since we're in triple LyLo and he's red checked, I feel like he's coin to get lynched anyways. Should we just do it now? On June 29 2015 12:39 LightningStrike wrote: Kinda torn I think you are town and content wise I do think HF is town but there was a red check on him and GB did say he had a green check on me. so (Shrugs) out of my tinfoil theory he could be a Miller. I can some of his arguments about the stuff regarding you but I think you are town. On June 30 2015 09:58 ruXxar wrote: When you put it like this it sort of makes sense. Hmm hmm hmm hmm.... .... ... ^^^^^ thinks it's correct still wants to lynch me anyway the point is everyone in this game but you fidei reads me as town, there is an age old heuristic that whenever people read me as town unanimously then I am more than likely town, you can see how everyone in this game town reads me but they keep defaulting to "oh hf is a red check" that's the key suspicion that should set alarm bells off for you, you don't think i'm town so it's not the same but these people think i am town and are judging the thread consensus to push the mislynch on me if it gets to the point where i stop fighting or it becomes easy to lynch me, these people are very likely mafia and are keeping all of their options open | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:48 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm just scared rofl. If hf is town, he's going to berate me, and if he's mafia, RS and gb are going to berate me. Who's louder? I will never ever let anyone live in peace if they mislynch me this game while calling me town just because they believe in the wifom. NEVER. EVER. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:56 NydusHerMain wrote: Do I not know the full definition of wifom... "the red check could mean hf is mafia!" "the red check might mean hf is miller!" "what if mafia framed him and he's town!" "i'm going to pick one of these stances arbitrarily against my own read" you picking wifom instead of the logic of your reads from the game | ||
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On July 01 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying that it makes sense from a logical standpoint that the scenarios play out that way. It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you. I'm probably never going to get past that. However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first. And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind. so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it? is that what you're really saying to me? | ||
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i'm still not mafia and you can yell about the red check all you want but it doesn't change a single fact about how i have played this game and you are just wrong, i have literally no idea why you're all gloaty saying things "oh post game cred!" when you are literally playing abysmally because ALL you are doing is focusing on the red check, you will get 0 credit for me flipping town and instead get a massive MASSIVE wall of text lecture about how you should read the player for yourself instead of basing it on statistics and wifom and a red check | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:37 Fidei86 wrote: @HF - You say I've played badly this game. I agree. I was not prepared for the massive difference in volume of posts between a 13 player and a 17 player game. So all I have to rely on is this - with 13 town at the start the odds of you being picked out as the miller are 1/13. Even now, and assuming there is a miller, they are still 1/4. Furthermore, the odds of there both being a framer, and they having framed you on that night, are surely much lower. than 1/4. Therefore, to my mind, the statistics say that you're mafia. Given that I don't really have any good reads on anybody, I see no reason to colour the raw statistics with my own personal bias. You don't have to like it, but there are my reasons. I won't be saying them again, as clearly there is no point in reasoning with you either way. q3 tewjhgkewpoiheuiowghueiwa2htq23a0y5 ub-932q 579-23bq 5-023 5-32 rewaitgfewa STOP FUCKING USING STATISTICS JESUS FUCK EVEN THEN A 1/4 CHANCE OF ME BEING MILLER IS HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGEEEEE 25% is insanely likely in mafia??????????????? if there's a 25% chance i'm miller and i'm playing so super towny and the other 3 people you think are scummy, why the fuck would you rely on the statistics!?!?!??!?!?!? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL SO STOP DOING IT read my filter read the game read day 2 don't throw the game because you rely on shit statistics because you don't know better | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rrl7hEi.png) this guy he sits on dota 24/7 and everytime some discussion comes up he sits there playing some dota some more on teamspeak doing shit all to help or do anything, he can't be fucked to play and yes he sometimes doesn't play as town but he never does it to ruin the game or not play like he does now, he's also got a shadow who he is supposed to be teaching about the game, there is no way onegu plays like shit on purpose to teach a guy what he's thinking ever. EVER you should be lynching this guy and I HATE resorting to out of game information but honestly nobody seems to give a shit when I write actual cases on people and suddenly when I stop you actually give a shit that I'm NOT making cases on people, I'm really sick of it, I have 34 pages of filter of scum hunting and you don't care about it all you care about is the fact that I have a red check and you don't want to read the game. | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too. no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu | ||
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On June 17 2015 22:06 Onegu wrote: Oh man Onegu getting a shadow!!! On June 17 2015 22:10 Onegu wrote: Now I have to actually do stuff... ^ is he doing stuff? has he done stuff? no, he even said so himself he'd have to do stuff and has not followed that metric at all to summarise onegu's play: day 1 - calls a lot of people town and that's it, says he will policy lynch ls but thinks he is town <------ calling people town (mafia trait), a policy lynch when there's obviously better things to do and he knows better (mafia trait) all day 1 he keeps saying this too: On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote: Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind.... Not lynching GB On June 19 2015 06:44 Onegu wrote: Im not just have a town read on GB from very early in the game. Just back from a doctors appointment and catching up. Will lynch BF over GB day 2: translates policy lynch into ls being scum lynch but doesn't even believe himself and afk's through the day On June 21 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote: Comeon Rsoul you know Yama is at work... defends scummy people out of the blue for no reasons On June 21 2015 13:02 Onegu wrote: I have a town read on GB. and Mig no idea. still has a town read on gb On June 22 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote: Im Just back dinner was good. Sigh, Why Yamato over LS or RuxXar? post flip hate on people for mislynching after doing nothing himself and randomly town reading yamato, still town reads gb filter littered with afk excuses On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!! ##Vote Rsoultin No greater pleasure! sheeps gb's reads etc etc etc On June 23 2015 13:27 Onegu wrote: Why would I do that. I have been saying HF is mafia... says i'm mafia On June 23 2015 15:18 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare votes for me On June 25 2015 06:52 Onegu wrote: So we lynch GB and if he flips Cop we lynch Mig, HF, and VA votes gb his town read over me his scum read hahahahahaha, reason was to "consolidate", yeh right is proven not reading the thread and calls va mafia after he claimed jk and a shot was blocked more afk excuses then he doesn't even follow his train of thought and instead town reads me because he knows i would absolutely destroy him | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:59 Fidei86 wrote: HF - agreed. I think the way forward is to start policy lynching Onegu every time he doesn't show up d1. It's the only way he'll stop ruining our games. However, lynching him is a 50/50 shot for confirmed town who aren't me (assuming you're all happy I'm confirmed town :-) ). He's done nothing alignment indicative at all. Given that you're happy to submit to the coin flip on him, not sure why you're so outraged about me wanting to lynch you based on statistics. it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda | ||
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On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda + plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong | ||
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On July 01 2015 03:02 Fidei86 wrote: Can everyone please remember that scum HF can yell just as much and just as loudly as town HF. Thanks. how is this relevant to anything i'm saying at all? | ||
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On July 01 2015 03:06 Onegu wrote: Like do you even check if I am playing or not or If I just in the game. I just woke up and had it on all night, wasnt playing. Same with teamspeak just leave it on. yes I do check and i've seen you repeatedly online playing and sitting in teamspeak and sometimes i join and talk to you when you aren't writing anything in this game at all, I told you i've been checking regularly and you made a post about it once when i joined and dc'd | ||
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you lynched your town read for the entire game who was the cop for no other reason than to consolidate with 2 of your scum reads and your town reads scum reads, yeh that's totally a bad reason also i'm going back to my damdred scum read purely for being underwhelming at lylo when he said he would be playing MORE + Show Spoiler + Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly. On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc. Everything I right has some value. ^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down? Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense: On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else? This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing. On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!? But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading. However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box. THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? 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So, give me your scum reads and elaborate on why. You have to explain to me like I asked you to do before how LS suddenly makes his filter 8 times bigger than his normal mafia filters and why his reads are TMI instead of just being crazy tin foil reads etc etc. You didn't do it. | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:12 Fidei86 wrote: I'll agree with HF on this, at least, if the afk-era don't come and say something constructive, we're 100% going to lose. So you're just going to ignore everything I said and post even though you complained I wasn't doing anything.......? That's pretty insulting. | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:34 Fidei86 wrote: This is getting tiresome. If you're mafia, you'll do anything to discredit me. If you're town, I can see that this would be frustrating for you, but getting mad at me isn't helping. I don't respect your push on Onegu. I think it's an attempt to push an easy mislynch. When I was talking about policy lynching Onegu, I meant that he was ruining games by turning his alignment into a coin flip. I didn't mean you were ruining games. This is absolutely pathetic. I'm not mafia. I AM town and you simply say useless shit like "oh you're not pushing anything today" and then I DO PUSH SOMETHING and you post more tripe uselessly discrediting ME because of a stupid red check that you don't even know is true or not with a 25% chance of me being the actual miller lol which is HUGE. I have been pushing lynches all game, I have been pushing reads all game. You know what's frustrating? You telling me I haven't done enough and that's just flat out bull shit. It's not that I haven't done enough you just don't care what I do because you're going to stick to the red check like glue and be useless all game because of it. At least don't try and make a scenario where I waste my life continuing to post if you're just going to keep up this farce that you would do something different if I posted a lot more. | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:38 Fidei86 wrote: As I've said, I think that a confirmed red check is vastly more reliable than any of the other points people are making or have made so far this game. And no, you constantly posting that you're town does not make you town. Other people reading you town does not make you town. I can't say that any other way. I'd much rather lose the game on the off chance you are extremely unlucky than because we basically picked another vote out of the air. I think Shockkey is very likely scum. He has spent basically his entire filter ripping on LS and defending himself. Highly unconvincing. Then again, that could just be how he plays. But if people won't lynch you, I'll have to follow my dead teacher and mentor in going on Shockey. Guess who has also done that. Onegu. Guess what makes shockeyy actually more likely to be town than onegu? His participation in the actual game and yes, while he is discrediting LS it looks like he believes what he is saying. Can you say the same thing for Onegu who is pushing ls for something that doesn't even make sense? Shockeyy has posted lots of things in hidden url's in posts that I don't think he would do. On day 2 when GB was claiming cop shockey was constantly posting hidden things saying that if GB switched to him then GB is confirmed scum because GB read shockeyy as town all the cycle. Shockey has also got 6 times the filter size of his largest mafia game. Shockey does not have a red check on him but there is a vast expanse of information that makes Onegu likely mafia that you aren't even looking at because "he's a coin flip" | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:44 Fidei86 wrote: Shockey's filter is six pages long. If his average filter length is one page, then either he gets MLed day 1 a lot, or he's a really bad played. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/111913-tl-mafia-xviii?user=ShoCkeyy 2 pages long in 6 CYCLES | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:43 Fidei86 wrote: I don't think you're an idiot, HF. I think you're actually very smart. I've been told that you're an aspiring lawyer (or possibly a lawyer already?). Anyway, as a smart guy (and as a town person), you would recognise that this bickering between us is not helping town at all. I'm kind of ashamed for having participated in it myself. And you know that your words towards me are not convincing me that you're not scum. So why keep posting? Because, I care a very great deal about this game. This is one of my only hobbies outside work that I can sink my time into. I don't want to lose after playing not so great because of some silly person saying that they believe a red check over something else because of statistics. I despise people that use statistics. Blazinghand uses statistics almost every game and he is one of the most useless players on the site and I look down on him for it because it isn't playing the game of mafia at all. I am heavily emotionally invested in being right and not being mislynched. I've been mislynched once ever as town and I didn't like it and it was because I was afk and didn't fight back. I tried to avoid it secretly on day 3 even if I knew I kind of had to be lynched to prove GB was a fake cop, I still deep down didn't want to die. I don't like that you are actively throwing the game, perhaps because you are new and lost or perhaps because you just don't actually care about this game enough. I do. So please don't ruin this game for me because you are being stubborn. At least put some ACTUAL work into the game instead of behaving like a douche to me. I know it's an argument that's being useless perpetuated but I will do anything to convince you of my actual alignment. You should read my past games, please? At the very least read my filter and make your own judgement. I strongly believe that Onegu is a far better lynch from my 30 games of experience. I just told him to post about the game and he actively just didn't do it. He doesn't really know what's going on and my case on him was actually just great. I hate people afking and I normally carry the game myself but this game is just impossible because of this fucking red check, it's infuriating. I don't like not being listened to at all. Really really do not like it. | ||
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On November 12 2014 20:47 justanothertownie wrote: You kinda do. But more importantly you did not give a single fuck in LYLO/MYLO/whatever. At that point it was really really obvious that you were scum. That's the second mafia win handed to you by ritoky - you should make a thread thanking him instead of apologizing to Obi. ^ i mean that's the most accurate meta so far for me i think if you don't trust what i'm saying, you can check to back it up for yourself | ||
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On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote: I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town. you should be lynching onegu with me | ||
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What are you doing now? OMGUSing absolutely everyone. You haven't made a single accusation that isn't surface level shit. You scum read shockeyy but when he asks you a legit question on why you think he's mafia when he's playing totally different all you did was call him scum (I've read his games and they are totally different). You've thrown out countless town reads and then done nothing with it, you lynched your cop town read purely because he had an LS green check in a game where there can be both a framer and a godfather and then you said it was for consolidation but now you've completely changed your reasoning to be that you thought the mig claim was believable. You aren't being consistent with what you say and it's extremely disingenuous play. | ||
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On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote: I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you. Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia. | ||
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On July 01 2015 05:44 Onegu wrote: Onegu caught the entire scum team in both games. Onegu caught 2/3 of scum team in Witchcraft. Onegu caught entire scum team in this game. you realise when you do nothing and post nothing it doesn't matter who you caught because you still end up achieving nothing and those games are completely different, they aren't littered with excuses at all, they aren't full of you tunneling one person all game and they aren't full of you giving free town reads that you actually end up killing by voting with your scum read | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote: You want a real read of who is mafia? this guy he sits on dota 24/7 and everytime some discussion comes up he sits there playing some dota some more on teamspeak doing shit all to help or do anything, he can't be fucked to play and yes he sometimes doesn't play as town but he never does it to ruin the game or not play like he does now, he's also got a shadow who he is supposed to be teaching about the game, there is no way onegu plays like shit on purpose to teach a guy what he's thinking ever. EVER you should be lynching this guy and I HATE resorting to out of game information but honestly nobody seems to give a shit when I write actual cases on people and suddenly when I stop you actually give a shit that I'm NOT making cases on people, I'm really sick of it, I have 34 pages of filter of scum hunting and you don't care about it all you care about is the fact that I have a red check and you don't want to read the game. QUOTE]On July 01 2015 03:00 Holyflare wrote: On June 17 2015 22:06 Onegu wrote: Oh man Onegu getting a shadow!!! On June 17 2015 22:10 Onegu wrote: Now I have to actually do stuff... ^ is he doing stuff? has he done stuff? no, he even said so himself he'd have to do stuff and has not followed that metric at all to summarise onegu's play: day 1 - calls a lot of people town and that's it, says he will policy lynch ls but thinks he is town <------ calling people town (mafia trait), a policy lynch when there's obviously better things to do and he knows better (mafia trait) all day 1 he keeps saying this too: On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote: Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind.... Not lynching GB On June 19 2015 06:44 Onegu wrote: Im not just have a town read on GB from very early in the game. Just back from a doctors appointment and catching up. Will lynch BF over GB day 2: translates policy lynch into ls being scum lynch but doesn't even believe himself and afk's through the day On June 21 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote: Comeon Rsoul you know Yama is at work... defends scummy people out of the blue for no reasons On June 21 2015 13:02 Onegu wrote: I have a town read on GB. and Mig no idea. still has a town read on gb On June 22 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote: Im Just back dinner was good. Sigh, Why Yamato over LS or RuxXar? post flip hate on people for mislynching after doing nothing himself and randomly town reading yamato, still town reads gb filter littered with afk excuses On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!! ##Vote Rsoultin No greater pleasure! sheeps gb's reads etc etc etc On June 23 2015 13:27 Onegu wrote: Why would I do that. I have been saying HF is mafia... says i'm mafia On June 23 2015 15:18 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare votes for me On June 25 2015 06:52 Onegu wrote: So we lynch GB and if he flips Cop we lynch Mig, HF, and VA votes gb his town read over me his scum read hahahahahaha, reason was to "consolidate", yeh right is proven not reading the thread and calls va mafia after he claimed jk and a shot was blocked more afk excuses then he doesn't even follow his train of thought and instead town reads me because he knows i would absolutely destroy him[/QUOTE] On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda On July 01 2015 03:02 Holyflare wrote: + plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong On July 01 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote: yes I do check and i've seen you repeatedly online playing and sitting in teamspeak and sometimes i join and talk to you when you aren't writing anything in this game at all, I told you i've been checking regularly and you made a post about it once when i joined and dc'd On July 01 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote: [/b][/u]you lynched your town read for the entire game who was the cop for no other reason than to consolidate with 2 of your scum reads and your town reads scum reads, yeh that's totally a bad reason also i'm going back to my damdred scum read purely for being underwhelming at lylo when he said he would be playing MORE + Show Spoiler + Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly. On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc. Everything I right has some value. ^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down? Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense: On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else? This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? 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On July 01 2015 05:49 Onegu wrote: Or Rsoul in Canival, and Damdred in Guardians. HF REKT rsoul in guardians in the last day, damdred wasn't even a tunnel until far later in the game and you did other things in both games | ||
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On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum. keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything | ||
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On July 01 2015 05:56 Onegu wrote: Rsoul said I might be scum. She did say you WERE scum though. no she didn't you haven't read the game, she called me town the ENTIRE game until i disagreed with her last night, it's just stubborn omgus | ||
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Going to link this so maybe someone will have some sense and look it over before the deadline, and actually do something useful. I know ruxxar is ok with lynching Onegu so all we need is like 1 or 2 more. I would really like someone to talk about this to because it's pretty legit. If Onegu plays the same way every game like LS is implying then what makes Onegu mafia then? The answer is inconsistencies and lies. He is inconsistent on who he is pushing compared to what he is talking about (GB town read ALL GAME and then lynching him because GB had a green check on LS who onegu thought was town regardless). He has given free town reads to people such as Yamato which can't possibly have happened and then berated people for lynching him despite not even properly defending him or anything. He is most definitely mafia. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485325-generic-boring-mini-mafia?user=Onegu 6 pages in 2 cycles shorter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=onegu 9 pages 2 cycles shorter if you want to go by filter size arguments then shockey has 3-6 times the size of his average mafia filter right now and you think he's mafia | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:26 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=237#4734 Going to link this so maybe someone will have some sense and look it over before the deadline, and actually do something useful. I know ruxxar is ok with lynching Onegu so all we need is like 1 or 2 more. I would really like someone to talk about this to because it's pretty legit. If Onegu plays the same way every game like LS is implying then what makes Onegu mafia then? The answer is inconsistencies and lies. He is inconsistent on who he is pushing compared to what he is talking about (GB town read ALL GAME and then lynching him because GB had a green check on LS who onegu thought was town regardless). He has given free town reads to people such as Yamato which can't possibly have happened and then berated people for lynching him despite not even properly defending him or anything. He is most definitely mafia. | ||
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On July 01 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Guess who has also done that. Onegu. Guess what makes shockeyy actually more likely to be town than onegu? His participation in the actual game and yes, while he is discrediting LS it looks like he believes what he is saying. Can you say the same thing for Onegu who is pushing ls for something that doesn't even make sense? Shockeyy has posted lots of things in hidden url's in posts that I don't think he would do. On day 2 when GB was claiming cop shockey was constantly posting hidden things saying that if GB switched to him then GB is confirmed scum because GB read shockeyy as town all the cycle. Shockey has also got 6 times the filter size of his largest mafia game. Shockey does not have a red check on him but there is a vast expanse of information that makes Onegu likely mafia that you aren't even looking at because "he's a coin flip" | ||
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On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote: Idk why there has to be scum on shockey since...there are 5 town and three scum left? Idk why hf is defending shockey like this when,shock really hasn't done much today? i read his past mafia games which are like maximum 1-2 pages and then i compared it to this game, i've also given quite a few reasons that he's been pointing out inconsistencies with people all game and his pushes look like he genuinely believes them i also don't believe he would go after lightningstrike still if he was under pressure of being lynched and was mafia since a lot of people are reading ls as town and it would be suicide but he did it anyway, i don't believe a mafia team would let him do that i also feel very strongly about onegu and lynching him would give us another cycle to re-evaluate shockeyy, I've made a very good case on him and now he's forced to omgus me and he's posted gg's for the past 3 pages of his filter because he knows the game is just about to end | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:50 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Shockkey 10 minutes til ha ha ha h a ha h ah ah a ahaaha | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:54 Fidei86 wrote: Can we move onto Damdred? I'm giving it the old 360 no scope over onegu??????????? | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:56 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm okay with the lynch on shockey fidei sorry .-. this guy THIS GUY LOL | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote: 0 people talking about the game apart from me unanimous wagon on shockey and nobody has given reasons to be on shockey while saying he's a coin flip damdred returns from afk to lynch shockey onegu only starts posting stuff right at the end of lylo to lynch shockey and calls people with legitimate scum reads mafia and has been inconsistent and scummy all game and you think shockeyy is mafia ^_^ have fun, post game soon guys! | ||
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On July 01 2015 06:58 NydusHerMain wrote: HF swap to shockey, because if you're town and onegu is town, we're fucked. i am never switching off onegu in a million years, I think shockeyy is town | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote: LOL I can't believe my Tinfoil Hat Theory might have some ground now. it still doesn't | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote: Damdred likely town, wouldnt switch to me I think when there were only 2 on me, would have needed 2 more people to switch at :59 you realise you've poe'd yourself ^^ hahahahaha | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: It complicates things a bit... in this many lylo in a row mafia are just as likely to hard bus to get extra cred than to go exclusively for a town. Also knowing hf, if he were scum I feel like he would,100% want the framer to flip over hard defending him. So he could use that in his defense. Kinda deep,hf is town here absolutely i wouldn't hesitate a single second to get credit and win the next day | ||
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On July 01 2015 08:01 LightningStrike wrote: I think this might very telling of Onegu's alignment: So with the wagons on him and Onegu he literately said we can win if we just get on Onegu and he(Shockeyy) flipped as Framer so this could mean that Onegu is town by that and some meta. i don't think that means anything at all since he could easily be bussing and getting town credit | ||
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will make a town case for myself if necessary, i'm a bit burnt out from this game from defending myself for so long though | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: It complicates things a bit... in this many lylo in a row mafia are just as likely to hard bus to get extra cred than to go exclusively for a town. Also knowing hf, if he were scum I feel like he would,100% want the framer to flip over hard defending him. So he could use that in his defense. Kinda deep,hf is town here + the above | ||
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Anyway, my head right now is that onegu is mafia, there's no way mafia pass up lynching him and ending the game. Also made a million cases on him that not one person has acknowledged yet. I'm honestly not sure about damdred, like today he has been super weird and talking about everyone being a possibility to be mafia?? On the plus side he's evaluating my actual play and he's the only one this game that has actually done it which is a HUGE plus. Ruxxar... Mehhhh, when i think of him i think he was pretty underwhelming but has totally kicked up the try hard factor by a million in lylo which is great. I also did some reading of bugs filter and just before he replaced up he said the scum team was likely mig/shockey/onegu/gb which would be a super bus for no reason and don't think it would happen, especially when he reasoned it out. I'm kind of saying it's damdred/onegu but that's super tentative. Onegu I am sure on. His last 4 pages of filter are literally just one liners trolling. He ONLY appears at deadline every day to push a mislynch and then afk's again. | ||
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On July 03 2015 08:15 Damdred wrote: What you are saying doesn't make sense hf. You are using this logic that if oneg wasn't mafia scum team would of switched over and hammered his ass which implies two town were on oneg. However you have me in your scum team which meabs scum team decided not to pile up on you (if it's me and oneg) but instead both of us defend you and bus team mate shockey and in my case try to get team mate oneg lynched. That doesn't make sense. And once again context is important since I was talking about a no lynch gaining us information. It makes sense? If onegu is town then you and shockey were on him and your mafia partner made no attempt to try and switch to onegu unless it's nydus that is mafia. Which i dont think nydus is. If everyone switches like they were saying and onegu flips mafia then you and shockey get credit yada yada. I dunno. If you are town and I am town then mafia didn't switch at all so he's mafia. I dunno I'm confusing myself. Also lack of activity is just work. Hence why i smurfed last game. | ||
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On July 03 2015 10:17 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Onegu is a very easy mislynch as town and honestly the fact that HF is even alive past Day 3(before it was announced that he got red checked) means he more likely to be scum than Town esp given his reputation. He had done similar here to Carol and Ippo when he was scum trust me he can shit post a ton as scum. I would rather lynch HF than Onegu at this point. ##Vote: Holyflare How have i shit post anything at all? None of my posts are shit posts??????? All the kills this entire game have been medic dodges and blue kills. Stop being useless. | ||
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On July 03 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: The d2 switch off GB bu hf is bothering me so I just might Also this is complete bull shit after what you just said about me. | ||
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On July 04 2015 02:40 Damdred wrote: Ok so my vote is place holder so don't freak out hf. I will be here for deadline and most of today, I'm still not convinced your scum totally. I feel much worse about rux a bit honestly, every post he makes just feels off to me and like he's trying to discredit a bit to an extent idk I need to think about if but if one of you and oneg aren't scum o kinda think it gas to be rux here posting wall of text, onegu's thing is bs since if i was mafia i just get my third mafia partner (he's saying it's ruxxar) to switch and fidei town read ruxxar and he would be 100% dead, ruxxar even had onegu as very likely mafia doesn't make any sense so don't listen to it | ||
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On July 04 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: posting wall of text, onegu's thing is bs since if i was mafia i just get my third mafia partner (he's saying it's ruxxar) to switch and fidei town read ruxxar and he would be 100% dead, ruxxar even had onegu as very likely mafia doesn't make any sense so don't listen to it you are saying fidei would switch, I am saying the same thing, the difference being you had more votes on you to begin with so it's easier for you to die than me, especially as nobody was joining the wagon on me at all also, wall of text still incoming, it will be a colossal wall and then it will be followed by another wall | ||
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Day 1 Day 1 I started off pretty trolly. Partly because I had confirmed myself as town: On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES and partly because I wanted to garner reactions. Mafia love to jump on me or blindly defend me when I do absolutely nothing and I loved it. I also wanted to sit back and look objectively at people's reactions until something hit me in the face. First and foremost I wanted to drop a vote onto Bill Murray because I made that theory that everybody sheeped. Bill Murray was very likely mafia because in order to start the game he had to confirm his slot and in doing so would have been around for the start of the game, yet he had never posted. I thought this was a great shot at being mafia even if it seems a bit wifom. I think a few people picked up on it (GB, Kelsier) and that was cool and I kind of liked those people at that point but there were people that were using it against me too (Rsoultin). I kept an eye out at those people. Then, I saw bugs doing some crazy pushing on people that was very tunnelled and I was like "hey this is pretty weird, why the hell is he doing this but didn't behave like he did for this person". That was the first real bit where my suspicions were piqued. On June 17 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote: yo bugs you say you read multiple ls games to get a feel for his posts last game so why you not doing it here for this push? On June 17 2015 11:53 Holyflare wrote: "you scummy for making read like this" "nah im not i do it a lot" "you scummy for not justifying it" "I did in my own way" "you scummy for not giving proper read" "read my other games" "you scummy! why nobody think she scummy?" "why didnt you read her games?" "dota" "she's scummy!" -wbg 2015 I felt that this push was entirely disingenuous on both LS and Rsoultin but I wanted to push it further and see where it went. This led to bugs pretty much outlining his entire thought process and I was very easily placated by it since it seemed very logical and thought out (at the same time rsoultin was being a dick to me for no reason so i revered the meta on her and also pried bugs for his info that I just mentioned) On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out On June 17 2015 12:18 Holyflare wrote: do these two things align? I don't think so It was at this point that rsoultin decided to continue contradicting her own points. I thought this was incredibly scummy and since I was playing very subdued it looked very much like she was trying to push incorrect meta on me on purpose to get me lynched. It was atrocious and I decided that she was mafia. This also led me a bit off of bugs (also ritoky was posting my exact thoughts at the time and "mind melding" but it felt somewhat off since it happened so much that I thought he was just parroting me on purpose to pocket me) On June 17 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin ^ me trying to outline why rsoultin was pushing bull shit it was at this point that damdred started blindly defending rsoultin for no reason and this genuinely made me go "wtf dude what are you doing" especially as I posted here, I normally do nothing as town a lot too: On June 17 2015 13:20 Holyflare wrote: and damdred i literally just showed that not to be the case (that i actually don't do stuff - especially as she was pushing me after 1 post ^^) but yeh the rest of it i have no problems with On June 17 2015 12:36 Holyflare wrote: only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy It was so out of the blue that alarm bells were going off, I put it in the back of my mind though since I was pretty tunneled on rsoultin and she was busy responding to my points http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=28#551 ^ this was the post by bugs that totally made me drop anything I thought of him being scummy, it was very well laid out. annoyingly (:D) what rsoultin posted in her giant wall of text made a lot of sense and explained a lot of where she was coming from, there was still the bit on me that I totally didn't like so I was hesitant to fully let it go but I admit, I was kinda swayed a lot and put her back to a scummy null instead: On June 17 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: eh i don't have any gripes with what she just posted On June 17 2015 13:00 Holyflare wrote: well apart from the huge bs about me of course She was also pushing kelsier which made me dislike her even more though so I thought I'd nip that in the bud too and add it to the list of scummy things she was trying to push that just weren't scummy: On June 17 2015 13:13 Holyflare wrote: The fact that kelsier has made like 2-3 pushes and mini cases means he's very likely town At this point I thought enough people had posted that I could make a really really cursory list of people I'd like to lynch, for now I kept off the majority of people that were super vocal and gave me some suspicions because I didn't want to clog up the thread with shit posting back and forth (hahaha yeh that didn't work out eventually -.-) and people love to blindly defend them no matter what anyway: On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote: and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + 4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz + Show Spoiler + 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler + 13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 + Show Spoiler + 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! Bill murray was explained, the spoilered people were people I was super hesitant to put on the list but also felt like they deserved to be there for some reason, ritoky was because of the mass buddying and he hadn't done much at all at the start of the game, although I felt like the buddying may actually be towny in the end, shockeyy's posts screamed of newbie and I don't really read them well but it seemed honest, hence the spoiler, so i left it there because i often am wrong on newbies that post silly things (didn't read his past games either). Onegu/fidei/mig were self explanatory, none of them had done anything in the game at all. GB i just didn't read and LS I had some kind of new meta going at the start of the game that he didn't end up fulfilling at the end of the day but he was at the start (the meta was that he posts a shit tonne of afk excuses and he said he was going for a nap at that point after just sleeping, it is what it is), va/bf also hadn't really posted at all. It was a shitty list (probably has 3 mafia in it though so not that shitty!) On June 17 2015 23:07 Holyflare wrote: also ls is kind of starting to fill this new ls mafia meta read that i have going, i'll see how it progresses after his nap It was after this list that Boxerfred started posting and I hated everything that he posted. When he did post those things that were flat out wrong, I knew from last game that he struggled to get his points across so I tried MULTIPLE times to get him to either re-evaluate or admit he was wrong or just flat out rescind what he said or do SOMETHING different. + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 01:14 Holyflare wrote: whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big one then you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy On June 18 2015 05:23 Holyflare wrote: ^ post that boxerfred has a problem with ^ post STRAIGHT AFTER THAT POST THAT OBVIOUSLY RELATES TO RSOULS BIG POST are you really going to be that disingenuous boxerfred? On June 18 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=30#591 there's no way somebody reading the thread can get that confused it's like 2 posts separating it On June 18 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: not to mention if you think my reaction is the scummiest then why on earth did you not even question or mention glowingbear sheeping that post you disliked and voting rsoul? or anyone else? During this time that Boxerfred AFK'd there was this whole LightningStrike situation where he was making a read on someone and said it was a weak read and wanted opinions on it but then it changed to a strong read and he didn't need opinions and then it changed to a really strong read all based on the SAME posts, it was extremely weird and I tried to make him reason it out but then he decided that it was better to make up a timeline of events that didn't happen (probably forget I guess) and then claim blue........ silly LS never do that again please. Anyway, ls always claims blue as blue so I thought nothing more of that whole situation other than trying to calm down kelsier and other people that were pushing him for it. Rsoul kept posting more annoying bs and I defended it while she repeatedly kept posting crappy stuff. I then saw that someone was getting replaced and thought it was either mig with 0 posts or bm with 0 posts (thought it was more likely bm since he was one of the ones that was last to confirm) On June 18 2015 03:50 Holyflare wrote: either mig or bill murray yeh the reason is that they both had to have /confirmed to play the game and doing that meant they had time to play, hts just asked for only ONE replacement near the start of the game which likely meant someone got their role pm and was like fuck this lets replace at this point boxerfred was 2 hours past his time that he said he'd return to talk about his read: On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote: so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past ##unvote ##vote boxerfred On June 18 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote: let's all just bypass this whole discussion and lynch the real mafia, boxerfred! thanks On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote: like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you thought it was pretty damn suspicious that it was such a great case on him and basically nobody had said a single word on it at all, so I tried to force people to comment on it for the readz™ my case below outlined my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: reasons during this time glowingbear joined my wagon after asking "should he sheep me", this gave me terrible flashbacks to game of thrones where he did the same exact thing and was mafia, he was even denouncing the other wagon he was sheeping me on while sheeping me. It felt very uneasy, that was where my first real suspicion arose with GB. Then, GB proceeded to do absolutely nothing the entirety of the day. I then quizzed him on this and told him to do something and he further did absolutely nothing. I said to at least look at my boxerfred case if you're going to do shit all and he then decided to reject the entire case WHILE SAYING HIS POINTS WERE BETTER but his point was ONLY based on boxerfred's first post. I tried to make people see this the entirety of the night I was pushing him and got promptly ignored multiple times. He also called my reasons bad but decided to use my reasons in his post. I thought this was super disingenuous and it looked like those people that make up new reads to join an existing wagon to look like he was fitting in with reads but to me it just looked like super mafiaish posts. (hipster mafia). So the tunnel of GB began hardcore. During this time even though LS had claimed blue he was saying the scummiest crap like I hadn't done anything all game and that he didn't remember anything and that all I did was something irrelevant. He also said he was listening to what Mig had said on boxerfred when I had talked about boxerfred for like the entire day. It meant he hadn't read the thread at all. It was super mean and scummy and it made me pretty paranoid at the time. I didn't like it one bit. There was another alarm bell at this point where Damdred yet again defended someone else that set me to watch him like a hawk: On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote: i've never seen a town lightningstrike make such absurd statements as he has just made and throwing out arbitrary scum reads he can't possible think are correct Damdred posted his scum read of fidei which I thought could be plausible since I forgot about him entirely but then rsoultin super hard defended me and discredited my fake mason claim at the start of the game super hard, it was pretty obvious they were masons together from that point forward (wifom alert, I would have killed them super easily if i was mafia since nobody even seemed to notice), it kinda made me less wary of damdred because he had a scum read but not towny looking since fidei was a mason and it was the only thing damdred had done that wasn't that scummy all day. kelsier started harassing ls with me and it was totally justified because ls scum read me with the guy I was pushing while saying mig said it first lol, was really really bad and scummy and not like an LS i've ever seen (hence damdred defence's looked bad). LS was also never responding to me after I asked him questions like 5 times. god reading all this shit again makes me think ls is scum even though he's not -.- On June 18 2015 07:22 Holyflare wrote: so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward?????? if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right? On June 18 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote: i've been talking about boxer the entire game and everyone repeatedly ignores him for absolutely no reason so either hop on my wagon or not because this train is going to lynchville i'm still just going to interrogate people i don't think make sense since every time i rely or falter in a read it's because i trusted someone else's read ^damdred defends ls while saying he's wrong again +++ alarm On June 18 2015 07:41 Holyflare wrote: not put much thought into it really since my hedging you made some weird read on damd/gb and defended ls and that's about it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for now fenced ritoky some more due to mind meld + lack of pushes then yamato replaced (didn't realise it was yamato) and he does shit all so i thought he was scummy (bit biased since he replaced BM) and he gave out 3 silly town reads which I now found out was a joke so meh, On June 18 2015 07:45 Holyflare wrote: yeh possibly super deja vu with the sheeping me but being hesitant about following my sheep at the same time like game of thrones ^ outline the gb scum thing again gb refuses to do shit and ignores scummy people that have posted to go for lurkers which was terrible play and seriously hindering the game On June 18 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote: The only thing you have mentioned about boxerfred is his entrance joke post. That's super superficial of you and is disingenuous to say you have been commenting on him and also everyone being talked about you won't lynch. When did you evolve into someone that refused to talk about reads just because didn't want to lynch them?? On June 18 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Like you literally lectured bugs about how we should be open and talk about all the reasons for reading everybody a certain way and now you say you don't want to talk about them. Hahahahaha gb, your team full of afkers? it was super hypocritical of him since he lectured bugs about talking about everyone while doing nothing, it ws super scummy in my eyes, tunnel +++++ lvl 3. On June 18 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote: yeh you haven't said shit about bf other than his first post so there's that fidei also appeared and started posting reads, they weren't even bad and I liked them: On June 18 2015 09:41 Holyflare wrote: also fidei keep doing what you're doing i'm kind of ok with it so he went off my list On June 18 2015 11:16 Holyflare wrote: uhhhhhhhhhh are you batty or what? it's NOT a town perspective to be told that you are wrong repeatedly and that was not how the post was made and he ignores it to still call me mafia and go back to afking (afking for long periods being his mafia meta btw), even if he thought this was scummy why did he not comment on you sheeping it at all since that would be far far far far far worse than me saying it AND THEN HE GIVES ME AN OUT IN HIS NEXT POST LOL he wasn't skimming when making a case on me since you know you have to actually have posts in mind to make a case, if you are defending him saying he doesn't give a shit and rambled a case off the top of his head without thinking then guess what alignment does that more >_> read the thread, he clearly states his entire post is useless if i actually do play to that meta because then he said i would be town so he basically already countered his entire post and only returned to continue doing pushing the SAME point -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- there's far more points than just that that i made gb was defending boxerfred's point of view AND THEN PUSHING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST AFTER THAT -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- scum read tunnel+++++++++++++++++ lvl 19404190149 this was also when ls made his read 1000% sure based on the same posts lol, it was funneh times ritoky also pointed out that gb made a read on va that didn't update or feature in his future list at all ++++++ ritoky points and ------- gb points it was at this point that i decided to go full tunnel in thread on gb, breshke was posting some sincere questions towards ls and was getting sick reads and gb came in with arbitrary shit questions and ended that question spree from breshke, he also defended ls with some bs that he accused him for a couple of pages back: On June 18 2015 15:13 Holyflare wrote: Nitpicking uselessly at breshke asking ls to explain himself more thoroughly and elaborate on more points. You asked him the most retarded question which just blatantly threw him off kilter from that line of thought WHILE TELLING LS THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND LOOKS SCUMMY. Like how on earth do you defend ls while saying he looks scummy while attacking the guy who is trying to make the scummy looking guy divulge more info. You don't unless you aren't thinking and are instead just saying things for the sake of saying them. like gb was telling breshke off for asking gb's scum read ls questions that would elaborate ls' alignment and then gb just town read ls when i accused him of doing this like 2 pages later he then lied about him calling ls scum: On June 18 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote: Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts. On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote: This new chain of events is: Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies at this point nothing short of hell freezing over would ever stop me pushing gb, there were far too many agregious things that he had done: On June 19 2015 01:01 Holyflare wrote: "you guys are doing nothing to make a lynch happen" "I'm not going to read a case on active people" - mafia gb 2015 Would 100% lynch yamato now that he's revealed too btw he also complained we weren't doing anything to push a lynch and then refusing to read anything at all relating to lynching an active person (also yamato had posted complete shit and afk'd again so i thought he was likely mafia too, like why replace into a big game if you aren't going to play it kind of read). On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people. You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too. Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb. more tunnelz at this point bugs rolls up and tell's me the bf case is crappy and i instantly hate him for it but, yet again, he outlines why he doesn't like it and i'm like omg bugs fuck you and your shit posts that have decent reasons behind them, it was actually enough to throw me off kilter from my bf case and chase down gb to the ends of the earth. It helped a lot that bugs was also pushing him because i felt more vindicated that someone i town read was feeling the same way. At this point we discuss the points on GB, bugs brings his own and i post my super summarised + missing stuff version: On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote: Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head boxerfred also said he was super busy that's why he hadn't played as much and I was willing to let that slide since if he didn't pick up the activity or it felt just as shit the next cycle there's no harm lynching him then (felt this applied to shockey too when someone asked me), also gb tunnel level was maximum. GB then defended himself from the lynch by posting the exact things he did as mafia in game of thrones, "why would i do this if i'm mafia" "no this was definitely not my intention as mafia, here is my wrong town reasoning here", "no hf i asked you my mafia reasons for doing this and you gave them to me but you're wrong because these are my town intentions!!" it didn't make any sense and didn't identify and get rid of any of the suspicions i had on him, it was also super duper fucking frustrating that throughout the lynch rsoultin was shutting down all of these points because she hadn't actually read the thread properly to understand them (got super frustrated with her post lynch because of it and then she went "ohhh yeh" and gb was like "ohhh yeh you're right!" and then i just flipped out and left). Anyway during the lynch, i was definitely caught up by mig's super shit switch and his questiona bout boxerfred's latest post. Everyone and their mother had called it towny and then he decided that his scum read on GB that he'd had all game and even though he expressed gb was very likely mafia doing mafia things, mig decided randomly that boxerfred's post that everyone liked was bad and switched to save gb. I thought they were 100% a team together and I wanted to lynch the shit out of them. I've also now lost whatever page of my filter I was on so I'm just going to wing it with my memory and be quoteless. I thought Mig and GB were mafia together. LS then did his stupid unclaim during the night and I was like "hey that's like... wtf i'm out of here" since nobody even mentioned it for ages. I eventually calmed down a bit and thought it was generic ls being sorry town ls rescinding crap. I expected everyone to feel the same. GB DID feel the same. He even said so. So I went into the next day thinking a few things: GB is 100% mafia and I hate absolutely everyone in this game for ignoring me. Mig is very very damn likely mafia for his stupid switch and no reasoning for it after scum reading GB. Shockeyy's vote was also similar but he was writing hidden url= posts that were saying things like "if gb switches to me he's 100% mafia" and things like that. I didn't want people to see it since i thought it was pretty towny but I guess it pocketed me a bit too much. So this is when the day started going so incredibly downhill. I had calmed down on rsoultin a bit after her trashy defending GB without reading and then we started agreeing about things Mig was doing. The switch was just too weird so we both concluded that he was very likely mafia. We then started exploring other avenues. This is where it got bad. Everytime I would start on another scum read GB would return to the thread and systematically shut down anything I was putting forward. Absolutely every time. I even pleaded with him that if all he was going to do was shit fight with me then he should leave the thread and if he thought I was mafia then he should make a case. He refused to do this. I was very annoyed. VERY VERY ANNOYED. Then, every time rsoultin and I mentioned Mig and his mafia motivation GB decided to say: "NO GUYS YOU ARE WRONG IT'S CLEARLY TOWN MOTIVATED AND THIS IS WHY BLA BLA BLA" I kept thinking, fuck off GB that's atrocious why are you clearly being this scummy to someone scummy already, stop being shit. It was super frustrating. So then people started to see it being a one sided shit fight where GB was making himself look awful and the wagon was forming on him pretty rapidly. I was happy with that, I thought that it would completely solve the game if he just flipped and was telling him even if he was town he had to die for the info and he just kept refusing. At this point I had to go out to fill out some forms/work and go to my GF's so was pretty busy travelling etc. Then, while I was just browsing on my phone I was like fuck this that's a mafia claim if i've ever seen one but then I read the rest of the post and he mentioned that he had a green check on Mig. I kind of just went along with the yamato lynch purely because a) I wasn't around and b) because I thought he was scummy anyway so didn't pay much attention to it I was like..... "fuck"........ it all makes sense now. He had hard defended Mig all day and the world was kinda like "wtf this doesn't make a single bit of sense then who the hell is mafia". So I dropped it for the night hoping it would resolve itself and if he was cop he'd probably die anyway. Turns out he didn't and he came out with a BS check on me. I knew it would be a fucking pain to defend myself while working and not being at home so I decided that the best course of action was simply to allow myself to get lynched. I knew that if I flipped miller he'd likely be the cop and then we could all get on with our lives but I thought to myself the most likely explanation was that I was town and he was mafia and I was trying to downplay that situation so that we wouldn't shit fight about it. I tried to make cases on him so that when I did flip (what I thought was likely to be town) people wouldn't just go full fucking retard and believe something like him saying "oh no he must have been framed" when it was entirely unlikely that I would be. The more I wrote about him the more I hated everything he had posted though so I was getting more and more tunneled and eventually came up with the idea that "shit maybe I was role copped and actually came back miller" or some funky shit was happening. So I told people that even if I flip miller GB is very likely mafia and you shouldn't let him live. It was at this point that Mig claimed tracker. I felt.... a massive sigh of relief. Like everything I had done was vindicated and I was happily just going to watch GB die and flip mafia. VA coming out kind of confirmed it but I was also fucking dumb and didn't see that Mig didn't claim a name with his track. Rsoultin was posting stuff about why Mig couldn't be tracker but honestly I looked at what she was saying and it didn't make that much sense and I was all in a haze and wanted to believe I was correct, for ego's sake. Oh yeh, during my cases on GB I also remembered all that stuff about Damdred that I disliked and made cases on him etc. to make sure that if I died (what I wanted but not really) at the time then people could just sheep me and probably win the game or at least be like "holyflare confirmed town cz of flip let's read what he said about other people" I like when people do that. So, mig died and I didn't do much. Pretty burnt out at this point but I know there's another few lylo's where I had to defend myself. It's pretty fucking annoying really. Then the next lylo hit and everyone was just afking and then returning to say things like "yeh holyflare is mafia because of the red check despite me thinking everything he had posted is towny" that was the single most frustrating thing I had encountered in a game in a long long while (perhaps the most) I didn't want to get mislynched for a second time ever (I aint no scrub) and fidei, even though he said he wanted to win, didn't listen to a word of reason and didn't want to read the game or any of my past games and was blindly defending people. It really annoyed me so I tried anything I could to plead with him. He said it was bad??? and that annoyed me further, I knew I had to make cases on people but when people call me mafia I just tunnel on myself defending myself, it's annoying yeh...Either way, I knew I had to snap out of it so I was kinda lost at this point. I realised to myself that Onegu had just tunneled LS all game and then afk'd for 48/24 hours at a time only to return at the deadline of a lylo and push something aggressively mafia favoured. It also started to happen again. I made my case on him and implored everyone to read it. They chronically ignored it like the plague. I was so so so fucking angry at this point that I just spammed it. Nobody listened still. They all jumped to shockey still and I read his past mafia games in the database and all his mafia games were like 1-2 pages and here he had 7. I also remembered all the inconsistencies he was mentioning about damdred posting that he town read shockey and then switched to scum reading him for no reason. I remembered the hidden url's and I saw that absolutely the entire game was sitting afk on him for no reason. I thought this was a massive mislynch and screamed to the heaven's that people shouldn't waste the game on a lynch like this and to switch to Onegu who at this point had mainted still playing dota for the entire game to say nothing. He returned and randomly decided to scum read me (after town reading me that same day) and it was obvious he was trying to push the final mislynch on me because he saw that people were just scum reading me because of the red check and it would be easy to push people onto me. Then he started trying to drown out my cases and ruxxar's cases with incessant spam and then switched to shockey. At this point damdred returned from out of the blue and also voted shockey and I was like fuck... how obvious a mislynch do you need and implored people to switch. People were like "ok" and all was right with the world and then they just didn't switch. I was heartbroken/stressed to the max/annoyed as fuck and he flipped mafia and I waslike "oh whoops" while simultaneously being burnt out as shit from the spam and realising that I have to defend myself while at work which I just couldn't really do for another 72 hours. I didn't really want to fucking do it but here I am posting this giant town case wall on myself where I've left out absolutely almost everything I thought during the game and I dunno why i'm doing it. I am town, do not lynch me. Lynch onegu. I will try and force out some more cases. Just realise he doesn't give a shit. He plays dota and spouts out nonsense at every critical part of the game where he was needed to form an opinion. He returns after 48 hours afking like clockwork to push a mislynch or wrong info or berate people for mislynching someone. He formed town reads on people he couldn't possibly have for no reason (yamato, ironically the person he berated people for mislynching) he's now trying to push a mislynch on me. LS' meta read is wrong because onegu tries when it's possible for him to win as mafia and now that it is he's actually posting longer posts, it's bull shit, when have you ever seen him do that Never. His partner is probably damdred but ruxxar is also suspicious. I'll have a think about it after. I'll probably need to re-read -.- but ruxxar's post about someone helping mig mislynch gb said he needed mafia help and then ruxxar ignored onegu as the help for mig for no reason, it might actually be him but i'll see | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote: You want a real read of who is mafia? this guy he sits on dota 24/7 and everytime some discussion comes up he sits there playing some dota some more on teamspeak doing shit all to help or do anything, he can't be fucked to play and yes he sometimes doesn't play as town but he never does it to ruin the game or not play like he does now, he's also got a shadow who he is supposed to be teaching about the game, there is no way onegu plays like shit on purpose to teach a guy what he's thinking ever. EVER you should be lynching this guy and I HATE resorting to out of game information but honestly nobody seems to give a shit when I write actual cases on people and suddenly when I stop you actually give a shit that I'm NOT making cases on people, I'm really sick of it, I have 34 pages of filter of scum hunting and you don't care about it all you care about is the fact that I have a red check and you don't want to read the game. On July 01 2015 03:00 Holyflare wrote: ^ is he doing stuff? has he done stuff? no, he even said so himself he'd have to do stuff and has not followed that metric at all to summarise onegu's play: day 1 - calls a lot of people town and that's it, says he will policy lynch ls but thinks he is town <------ calling people town (mafia trait), a policy lynch when there's obviously better things to do and he knows better (mafia trait) all day 1 he keeps saying this too: day 2: translates policy lynch into ls being scum lynch but doesn't even believe himself and afk's through the day defends scummy people out of the blue for no reasons still has a town read on gb post flip hate on people for mislynching after doing nothing himself and randomly town reading yamato, still town reads gb filter littered with afk excuses blabla many more but the point is he isn't here 48 hours at a time and even when he is here he still has excuses to post sheeps gb's reads etc etc etc says i'm mafia votes for me votes gb his town read over me his scum read hahahahahaha, reason was to "consolidate", yeh right is proven not reading the thread and calls va mafia after he claimed jk and a shot was blocked more afk excuses then he doesn't even follow his train of thought and instead town reads me because he knows i would absolutely destroy him On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda On July 01 2015 03:02 Holyflare wrote: + plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong On July 01 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote: yes I do check and i've seen you repeatedly online playing and sitting in teamspeak and sometimes i join and talk to you when you aren't writing anything in this game at all, I told you i've been checking regularly and you made a post about it once when i joined and dc'd On July 01 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote: you lynched your town read for the entire game who was the cop for no other reason than to consolidate with 2 of your scum reads and your town reads scum reads, yeh that's totally a bad reason also i'm going back to my damdred scum read purely for being underwhelming at lylo when he said he would be playing MORE + Show Spoiler + Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly. On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc. Everything I right has some value. ^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down? Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense: On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else? This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing. On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!? But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading. However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box. THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? (GB) and then says he's only like 70% sure gb is town after defending him so hard and then proceeds to afk again. lol. ^ shockeyy top town for this too I think he's very likely mafia. Even with the long spates of afking he looked like mafia defending everyone. I think he has had one scum read this entire game that he's pushed but didn't even push it. requoting+ added extra | ||
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On July 04 2015 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Also if you look at the series of events that transpired yesterday: onegu: hf is town, ls tmi bla bla bla thread: think hf is town but red check so probably mafia! onegu: hf definitely mafia! onegu: lynch hf omg totally caught out of nothing despite town read all day! lynch lynch over scum, easiest mislynch unite! it should be obvious what happened, just read his filter from the start of yesterday to now and see if that was a believable sequence of events (hint: it's not) | ||
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On July 03 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: At the same time what I said before about hf pushing the alternative wagon of oneg with shockey doesn't seem like something scum hf would do. Also refusing to switch to me when the vote was like 5-3-1 fid could of switched to me and things could of happened. So doesn't make sense not going doe the win there either. He did push mig a bit to which is a little non indicative for him. Like it doesn't make sense for someone trying to win the game with a red check,around his neck.. On July 03 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote: I'm just running off at the mouth and putting whatever I think out there. D1 HF Pushes a lynch on box. This is alignment null in a void, he then changed his mind when he thinks,he sees a better lynch in gb. This is a plus I think for him and at this point makes me think that it's a bit towny. I don't see much,mafia motivation to be so active and push 2 town wagons. Meta wise I think as scum hf is a bit lazier when there's no cred to gain and it's two town up. This is partially bad meta and is mostly from experiences with him. D2 his switch off gb and into tomato after not,believing gbs claim is still a bit strange to me. And I think it's a pretty big red flag to,an extent. D3 is not alignment indicative as he was voting to save his own life. D5- makes me lean town this day, no idea why scum hf would do this. Is a bit wifom,but goes for 0 cred so unless we have a tripple bus going on which isn't out of,the question it makes me think,he's more town. Today has a been a bit lackluster. My gut to some of,these facts coupled with a framer flip and a few other things make,me want to lean town but he makes me scared as he'll. On July 04 2015 02:40 Damdred wrote: Ok so my vote is place holder so don't freak out hf. I will be here for deadline and most of today, I'm still not convinced your scum totally. I feel much worse about rux a bit honestly, every post he makes just feels off to me and like he's trying to discredit a bit to an extent idk I need to think about if but if one of you and oneg aren't scum o kinda think it gas to be rux here explain how these all align please, it just looks like you're following ls to push my mislynch atm | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:08 LightningStrike wrote: Nydus and Rux switch to HF RIGHT NOW! I had decided to check out Carol bingo he did soft defended Ritoky and some of his other scum mates mainly Xata but he also was very Mafia siding that game as scum. Again he did hard mafia sided this entire game he can fake his anger easily as I had saw in Carol he even made a super large post as scum too here: Guess who was in town in that list as scum? rsoultin, The Templar, and HTS herself who now currently hosting this game for us to play Mafia. A couple posts later in that game he showed a very similar attitude to this game when it came to Onegu: He also mafia sided hard in Student VIII he actually led the lynch there to Town Damdred that game and others in LYLO there. GET OFF ONEGU AND GO TO HF NYDUS AND RUX IDC WHAT YOU THINK OF ONEGU YOU LYNCH HF NOW! and then you neglect the town games like the one where i shut down palmar's lynch on a mafia gb and wanted to lynch palmar who was a vigilante and he was going to shoot me and also scum read town yamato and basically scum read every town player and town read every mafia player? Being wrong or right does not make me mafia LS. You are also saying I "soft defend" my team mates but in no way shape or form was my defence of shockey "soft" it was indeed ridiculously hard. The last time I hard defended a mafia I was town (titanic I defended a vivax lynch and he was mafia). I've also made super large posts as town too? I fail to see how that is relevant to my alignment at all. | ||
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hard defended lots of mafia, wanted to lynch only towny people. made wall of text cases on people and defences on myself (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=Holyflare guardians A GAME YOU WERE IN LOL I hard defended toad from getting lynched and he was mafia WITH YOU (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?user=Holyflare&view=all HARD DEFENDED MAFIA ALL GAME and jat won the belt, made massive posts at the end of the game too (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?user=Holyflare&view=all titanic paint, hard defended mafia vivax, posted walls and walls and walls of text on why dp was mafia (town) | ||
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On March 20 2015 21:50 Holyflare wrote: why are you trying to stop him finding other mafia if you aren't mafia then artanis touche get rekt also many posts in many town games where i tell people they are rekt and show emotion, just because i "can" fake it doesn't mean that I am faking it, why are you drawing these conclusions and ignoring literally everything i'm writing? can you not see that people are doing shit all and afking on me while i put in genuine effort and you throw it all away with wrong meta while those people afk on me? | ||
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also look at the spreadsheet, it's pretty easy to see people get red checked as town all the time, it happened in xxx and people could look past it and realise it didn't mean anything, especially with a miller and framer in the setup so again, it doesn't mean anything ls come back here | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: My point of your large post was to counteract that arguement that you only do large posts as town. Also the Guardians game Toad was a claimed Vig counter claiming Vivax ofc you would side with him there. no, i said both of them were town and it's nothing alike and i never said i only do large posts as town i said that this is the only time i have posted a town case on myself | ||
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Ok, basically, I'm gonna do something that I've never done and make an entire town case on myself + reason out everything I'm thinking right now. nowhere does it say this is the first time i've made a wall of text because that's just silly regardless of my alignment because i've done it both times | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: It lines up because you clearly didn't believe GB when he claimed but you never pushed him when I originally questioned you about the switch you said you wouldn't lynch a claimed blue etc. Now I will consider a switch to ruxor since I know I'm not scum the last one has to be ruxxor to me. It makes the most sense and all his posts read so angry. like it makes me feel a little better lynching you hf that you are still hedging a little and just going with ruxxor while still saying he's suspicious but never really talking about him just concluding that ok scum. because ruxxar is voting for the person i think is mafia whereas you call me town and afk on me, and i would look into it when it mattered which is not when onegu is definitely scum | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: It lines up because you clearly didn't believe GB when he claimed but you never pushed him when I originally questioned you about the switch you said you wouldn't lynch a claimed blue etc. Now I will consider a switch to ruxor since I know I'm not scum the last one has to be ruxxor to me. It makes the most sense and all his posts read so angry. like it makes me feel a little better lynching you hf that you are still hedging a little and just going with ruxxor while still saying he's suspicious but never really talking about him just concluding that ok scum. On June 22 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote: Are you actually kidding me? He's an un cc'd blue and things that made him fucking dumb today like defending mig's switch and calling me bad make more sense with a green check. Even if he's stupid. not only did i already explain what i thought in the response to you but i outlined my thought process with regards to gb the day i wanted myself lynched repeatedly, you should read it instead of leaving it open like i never explained it and it was scummy | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:44 LightningStrike wrote: Pretty much what Damdred said about GB since he said green checked Mig and since we saw Mig flipped scum ofc you had a reason not to believe his claim so ofc you didn't NK him and instead go after other targets who were medic dodges who also happen to scum read some of your team. ????????????????? i never said anything about gb not being night killed | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: ls your meta read on me has been proven false and there are a million reasons to lynch onegu, your meta read on him is also wrong because it's incomplete and doesn't look at his scum games you may say you have looked at them but i can tell that you don't really understand his meta if you conclude that he's town from reading them because what he's done is his staple town play, lots of afk excuses (he doesn't really do this as town), flipping a read on the same day just to push a mislynch (definitely doesn't do this), no soul reads, no actual reads, complaining about lynches he wasn't around for and having lots of free town reads are not what onegu does isn't staple town play* tee hee | ||
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a) nobody has talked about ruxxar at all b) i'm not even sure if you are town or ruxxar is town since you both have fucking scummy things against you but ruxxar is pushing the correct lynch and you are seemingly calling everyone available mafia and leaving all your options open | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: I willing to shannie to rux hf if you can convince two more people to do it with me. i'm thinking damdred is mafia On July 04 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote: explain how these all align please, it just looks like you're following ls to push my mislynch atm On July 04 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: damdred why are you afking your vote on me after saying everything i did in the game and the lynch was towny? it's getting super close to deadline and you aren't doing anything but afking on town On July 04 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote: not only did i already explain what i thought in the response to you but i outlined my thought process with regards to gb the day i wanted myself lynched repeatedly, you should read it instead of leaving it open like i never explained it and it was scummy On July 04 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote: there is a very minimal chance that town damdred leaves the thread having all of those reasons for town reading me and then returning to see me putting in maximum effort and giving reads and making a town case explaining all my thoughts then says he feels better about lynching me ^^ don't buy it at all | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I had to go to work I'm always at work atm. We won't have enough to switch to rux so it's probably on me to decide. Tux and hf are the team I think, oneg town game is pretty close to this,but so is his suck,game. Hf lack of really evaluating rux is the thing that's really swinging me to stay the course as I've been struggling with this. As hf has said before I was the only person really evaluating his play and there were a few town things and a couple,of scum scenarios. I suggested we switch to tux instead and instead of evaluating the attack was launched at me to,discredit me. I'm pretty secure in this atm this is exactly the kind of open ended bs about damdred that makes me think he's scum "onegu is playing to his meta but his scum meta is the same!" what??????????? how does that even work damdred town reads me, votes me for no reason town reads onegu while still calling him mafia scum reads ruxxar based on nothing while calling nobody else mafia none of what you're saying makes sense, i have open ended questions to you which you never answer and then suggest we switch to a person i haven't really looked into and then criticise me for not wanting to switch instead of you just answering the questions about yourself | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote: If he's town it ends the game too? Also we can shannie Damdred too if you want but we need a total of 4 votes on Damdred. i don't want to shenanigan onto damdred, if i wanted to do that i would have done that yesterday when fidei told everyone to switch to damdred and i shut it down i want to vote onegu who i am pretty sure is mafia and i've made plenty of cases for being mafia on damdred can have another day to answer my questions and let me evaluate ruxxar because honestly i haven't had the time to look into them properly damdred stop using work as an excuse for not doing anything when i also work and you're criticising me for not doing things | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly if town loses I will take the blame and everything. you should only take the blame if you don't lynch onegu with me, did you read my case on him after my giant town case post? | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:20 LightningStrike wrote: Why not lynch him then if you think he's scum? I think Onegu is town and not going to lynch him this game. because i haven't had enough time to evaluate damdred/ruxxar and i have onegu, and damdred won't be working on the weekend and gives me more time to interact with him, ruxxar has also been super try harding in lylo and it makes me worried that he could be the towny in this situation. Hence i am not sure about switching and am much more comfortable lynching onegu who is definitely mafia regardless of your meta read on him which is entirely wrong | ||
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"this guy definitely mafia" "yolo totally mafia" and that's when he's confirmed "town" from viging a towny | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote: This will be great um just going to sit here and let this happen and give a bit Fuck you if we lynch me ^~^. I used work as an afk reason while I was gone, totally different from me saying you aren't looking at X when you are clearly not busy i have been busy the entire past few cycles and having to defend myself, it's no coincedence i can't look at everything | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:26 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't change the vote in the vote thread onegu. you should really vote for onegu | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: ROLF HE WAS PUSHING THE SHOCKEYY LYNCH NEAR DEADLINE WHO FLIPPED SCUM LOL. no he didn't onegu pushed me and hopped onto shockey right at the end for credit after the push on me failed, did you read the day? | ||
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On June 30 2015 19:17 Onegu wrote: I dont think HF is the lynch today. If HF is town scum have some big balls to keep him around for 2 more days. If he is scum there are easier scum to catch. Also in a game this big it is likely that there is a miller with the cop and since we havent had one flip yet the likely hood of him being miller is quite high. If HF is alive in 2-1 lylo we lynch him so fast. But until then I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. says i'm town and then says i can never read him, he then says he would push me if i was mafia after everyone starts saying i am mafia he decides to do this: On July 01 2015 05:32 Onegu wrote: Nope I have it for real this time. HF ruXxar Shockky On July 01 2015 05:32 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote HF He isnt this bad... does that look like someone who has called you scum the entirety of the game and has tunneled you and has scum read you for absolutely everything? On July 01 2015 05:56 Onegu wrote: LS VOTE HF then asks his all game scum read to vote for the easiest push on me he also said if he was mafia he would be pushing me and he DID do that his scum read on shockeyy was totally faked "he played with me as mafia and should know better" but he didn't respond when shockeyy said the same thing back to him, just called him mafia he also didn't vote shockeyy until right at the last second | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:33 LightningStrike wrote: Also remember this guys: Shockeyy also called for a Onegu switch at last LYLO and he flipped scum. you just saw me win ippo mafia because i bussed my entire team and now you're saying i hard defended them instead ^^ | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: i'm thinking damdred is mafia i also want everyone to read this post, read it all, after i flip town and the game is over i want you to physically type in the thread: I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I want you to promise to write that to me in 23 minutes. | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:38 LightningStrike wrote: I think I was just a policy scumread for him so he was willing to talk to me about who to vote which I didn't change my vote from Shockeyy and actually was the first person to vote Shockeyy the day he got lynched. no he wasn't policy lynching you anymore: On June 24 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Thats not the TMI. The TMI is that there is a framer in the game. Yes Rsoul most likely not the frame target. But I just dont see a townie jumping straight to there has to be a framer. Like Rsoul saying there is a framer is fine because she knows her alignment LS shouldnt know Rsouls alignment. Yet he goes straight to there is a framer scum reads you for tmi On June 26 2015 01:57 Onegu wrote: LS just claimed red to lynch HF scum reads you for trying to lynch me On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here. That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here. So I am going to go with Mig, LS, RuXxar, and X. On June 22 2015 03:07 Onegu wrote: Like how LS asks someone who doesnt know me to check my filter and give his thoughts when everyone who has never played with would scum read me... LS know this. Also RuXxar is like trying to make people look better or worse than what they actually are. On June 23 2015 13:11 Onegu wrote: So like I really think LS is scum. Scum knew if a cop is in the game they would check him because his claim and unclaim. So scum used a frame on him. He posts he knows there is a framer | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:37 Holyflare wrote: i also want everyone to read this post, read it all, after i flip town and the game is over i want you to physically type in the thread: I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I want you to promise to write that to me in 23 minutes. get ready to do this LS | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:45 LightningStrike wrote: It was because Onegu just wanted to punish me for claiming blue and tried to lynch me because of it. But after a while he finally decided to play to win and got rid of his scum read on me. no idea why you're defending him when you're wrong but w/e get ready | ||
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I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. copy and paste it guys be ready | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:37 Holyflare wrote: i also want everyone to read this post, read it all, after i flip town and the game is over i want you to physically type in the thread: I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia. I want you to promise to write that to me in 23 minutes. | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Honestly either you are town and just don't want to come to,grips with I've been really busy and missed things. And honestly don't want to work with me. Or your scum, I hope,the later at thisbpoint i want to work with you, you're just ignoring me and saying "aha never switching to onegu or off you unless it's this guy you know nothing about!" | ||
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if i was mafia why did i shut down the switch to damdred if i was mafia why do i not bus the living shit out of my team mates in a triple lylo and instead make myself do the most work possible the next day when i have work many things don't make sense as me being mafia ^^ | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:54 Damdred wrote: If you haven't looked at him at all how did you go from. Its probably rux/oneg to its dam and oneg. I'm literally not,ignoring you I'm asking what vBulletin I missed and you just keep,saying I'm,ignoring you i just linked the post you missed again read the nested stuff also, the rux/you is pretty much poe and from what i remember when writing out my town case on myself, a lot of it was remembering what you were doing day 1 and the alarm bells it was sending off in my head, the other part of it was that i've not really interacted that much with ruxxar and he is making cases on my scum read so it's harder to look at him as scummy but there's still things that throw me off in regards to some analysis around gb basically i want more time to explore you while i lynch the person i am most sure about, i can't devote all my time to absolutely everything in one go | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:56 Onegu wrote: I already fucking explained this. Also you didnt have F word dude willing to swtich until it was way to late. You are scum stop warping LS mind. i countered this point already | ||
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On July 04 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote: you are saying fidei would switch, I am saying the same thing, the difference being you had more votes on you to begin with so it's easier for you to die than me, especially as nobody was joining the wagon on me at all also, wall of text still incoming, it will be a colossal wall and then it will be followed by another wall | ||
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On July 04 2015 07:05 marvellosity wrote: THERE WAS A REDCHECK ON HOLYFLARE YOU IDIOTS <3 | ||
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On July 04 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: I feeling terrible for this lost. It was all my fault. I need time to think. no it wasn't dude don't beat yourself up about it, i've only lost as mafia like 2-3 times for a reason | ||
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On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote: He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter. I'm not sure that's true really. I didn't say anything degrading other than that you weren't trying to look at my play subjectively and instead decided to rely on statistics hence you were "throwing the game" from my point of view. I was mafia so that's the stance I kind of had to take unless you were thinking I was going to sit back and say "you're right i'm red checked lynch me and lose the game" *shrug* it's not my intention to offend anyone and i'm sorry if i did, i just didn't have much time and couldn't really make cases either | ||
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