EPTbad feels for you trying to pressure me to do stuff when you've seen me not do stuff multiple times
you don't always do stuff as town right away
try not to be too mafia, yeh?
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Holyflare
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try not to be too mafia, yeh? | ||
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Holyflare
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On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be you don't always do stuff as town right away do these two things align? I don't think so | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:16 Holyflare wrote: try not to be too mafia, yeh? sweetcheeks, i'm not mafia and you probably know it | ||
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NydusHerMain
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote: One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- oh uhhhhhhhh well sorry about that then  i'll inevitably play more later just getting a feel for things/being lazy | ||
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Holyflare
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VayneAuthority
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
say you don't want to be nk'd as town so you soft/hard obfuscate whatever a role and proceed to do nothing but vote someone who hasn't posted yet ooooookay? not doing much while out of the thread is NOT the same as not doing much while in it you've thrown little prods at a couple people without directly calling anyone scum in any decisive way | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
yes, there have been times when you've done nothing as town HOWEVER to be PRESENT and do nothing as town, especially while doing something that would in no way encourage scum to NOT shoot you n1, that is not something i've seen from a town hf whether i'm right or wrong, can you honestly say you don't see what my issue with you is? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, Bill Murray confirmed? ##Vote: Bill Murray ^ good reason to vote bm definitely done nothing multiple times before though i mean we're just going to end up full circle back to this again:On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format 1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later. On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town  yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something. there's also this post: kk townreads at present: fidei damdy breshke gb ls in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those anything else is leans The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that? Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2 2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this: On June 17 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote: he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her... First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points. Later, the best part is that she says this: On June 17 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote: did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum? Let's see that side by side: i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum? The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all? Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town." Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did. and then there's this aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads! She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people: fidei damdy breshke gb ls BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads. So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote: since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote: One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- -1 townpoint for parroting me | ||
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GlowingBear
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote: how does any of that come from a town hf? yes, there have been times when you've done nothing as town HOWEVER to be PRESENT and do nothing as town, especially while doing something that would in no way encourage scum to NOT shoot you n1, that is not something i've seen from a town hf whether i'm right or wrong, can you honestly say you don't see what my issue with you is? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin | ||
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GlowingBear
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NydusHerMain
Canada492 Posts
On June 17 2015 11:47 rsoultin wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia ^ damdy scum if you can't tell the difference between his posting there and here, in terms of FLUIDITY and how STIFF he is as scum, then you can't understand my read anyway and this is pointless I feel the same way about damdred. It sucks because I can't feel like I can substantiate it very well other than saying that he feels hella different than when I just played with him and he was town. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 17 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin Sir, yes sir! | ||
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NydusHerMain
Canada492 Posts
Umm I hadn't even read your read on holyflare. How about a +1 townpoint for coming from the same mindset as me unless you're scum? | ||
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Damdred
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