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On June 17 2015 12:33 NydusHerMain wrote:I feel the same way about damdred. It sucks because I can't feel like I can substantiate it very well other than saying that he feels hella different than when I just played with him and he was town.
haha dude she's saying that damdred is town and you're saying he's mafia :D
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On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere.
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if you really feel this way that makes me sad gb 
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On June 17 2015 12:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- -1 townpoint for parroting me Umm I hadn't even read your read on holyflare. How about a +1 townpoint for coming from the same mindset as me unless you're scum?
Sure!
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On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town.
only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy 
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On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere.
ROFL
yes, I think identity is important, but motivation is the most important. You can't use meta solely to call people scum because meta is hard to use and it's often not elucidative. That's why things like tonereads and blah blah whatever else you people call it nowadays are little more than copouts unless you can back them up extensively. Scum often use shitty meta to get away with not actually providing real motivational reads because it's easy to fake having a meta read. All you have to do is say that someone is not posting how they normally post and then bam, a bunch of stupid townies believe you because they have nothing better to go off of and they certainly don't have the time to fact check you. That's why when people use meta the onus is on them to provide the evidence.
I like knowing who others think are good because it gives me good expectations. The problem is no one really gave me a good answer and besides Mig I don't really know anyone here anyway. Mig also hasn't bothered to post yet so what the fuck am I going to do with that?
Also yes, the list post you made is worthless to me right now almost by virtue of being a list post. Why the fuck would you seed the thread with all of your reads before you can even be half confident in them? I would perhaps understand if you are close to 100% certain on particular players but given that one of your posts had 5 scum in a game with 17 people I seriously doubt you think that way about all of those in your list.
also if you expect me to respond to this:
On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred
then you should rethink your approach. Like I said before I'm not going to bother seeding the thread with my reads. Choose what you think is important, otherwise I'm not going to give you shit because your approach sucks.
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On June 17 2015 12:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:33 NydusHerMain wrote:I feel the same way about damdred. It sucks because I can't feel like I can substantiate it very well other than saying that he feels hella different than when I just played with him and he was town. haha dude she's saying that damdred is town and you're saying he's mafia :D
Are you serious? Okay that's good then because I wanted to say she was town since we "had the same read" but I wanted to read her filter first before making a conclusion because I didn't know how well her reads matched up with mine. This is why I shouldn't post at night but I'm going to do it anyways -.-
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On June 17 2015 12:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town. only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy
not only are you wrong but this will go so very much against you if you actually manage it that it would almost be worth getting lynched d1 ^^
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On June 17 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. ... if you really feel this way that makes me sad gb
I love you dear, you know that
But I have to agree with holyflare and ritoky and a little bit with Robik EHMMM Bugs.
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On June 17 2015 12:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. ROFL yes, I think identity is important, but motivation is the most important. You can't use meta solely to call people scum because meta is hard to use and it's often not elucidative. That's why things like tonereads and blah blah whatever else you people call it nowadays are little more than copouts unless you can back them up extensively. Scum often use shitty meta to get away with not actually providing real motivational reads because it's easy to fake having a meta read. All you have to do is say that someone is not posting how they normally post and then bam, a bunch of stupid townies believe you because they have nothing better to go off of and they certainly don't have the time to fact check you. That's why when people use meta the onus is on them to provide the evidence. I like knowing who others think are good because it gives me good expectations. The problem is no one really gave me a good answer and besides Mig I don't really know anyone here anyway. Mig also hasn't bothered to post yet so what the fuck am I going to do with that? Also yes, the list post you made is worthless to me right now almost by virtue of being a list post. Why the fuck would you seed the thread with all of your reads before you can even be half confident in them? I would perhaps understand if you are close to 100% certain on particular players but given that one of your posts had 5 scum in a game with 17 people I seriously doubt you think that way about all of those in your list. also if you expect me to respond to this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred then you should rethink your approach. Like I said before I'm not going to bother seeding the thread with my reads. Choose what you think is important, otherwise I'm not going to give you shit because your approach sucks.
Do you need a mirror?
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also bugs man i said concise x_x
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On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred
How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it?
Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ?
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It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs.
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ok bugs i can see where you're coming from now, i suggest you read her past games though because a lot of what you said she's done as either alignment so it doesn't particularly mean anything (the tone reads and not explaining well)
either way i'm not gonna stop on this push :D
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On June 17 2015 12:39 Holyflare wrote:
also bugs man i said concise x_x
my bad.
tl;dr
1. she deflected responsibility for having a read on LS but appeared to sheep town sentiment to get away with not providing a real read of her own. Her "reasons" are very non-specific and nebulous.
2. She constantly goes in circles with no intention of making progress with some very blatant contradictions and lies. e.g. she says that I am not reading her posts if I think she has no useful reads when she herself said that she only has 5 townish reads (and she went out of her way to qualify that they are not strong and that she hasn't explained them) while in her own words everything else is "leans". She also said that her toneread doesn't mean anything to other players which begs the question as to why she posted the read in the first place. In addition her reaction to me requesting an explanation on said toneread was very scummy because she "qualified" it by saying Damdred's posts are "fluid" while this in reality is just another copout. Her "evidence" for him saying so was nothing more than a link to a previous game. No effort.
If you think the tl;dr is tl;dr then: deflection of responsibility, unwillingness to make progress/explain self and instead is more than willing to go in circles, contradictory posts, and a lack of effort when asked to quantify things with post evidence.
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On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs.
I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it.
What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
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On June 17 2015 12:42 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it? Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ?
I meant that his need to claim VT right away felt like he was trying to gain towncred (as he was scumread for not claiming VT in another game), and this need to gain towncred fits better a mafia perspective than town perspective in my opinion.
Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak.
Rescinding the scumread now.
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On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town.
care to explain or are you just white knighting here
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On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs. I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
Probably useless because they keep changing every minute. It just looks towny and I feel like GB might be mafia trying to blend into town... Same way I feel about damdred. Is it wrong of me to be scum reading some of the more active posters? I feel like I should be town reading them for being so open with their thoughts. zzzz lots to learn.
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On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs. I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
being open and honest, having more reads for people to analyse to learn your alignment, more to talk about
i mean part of the reason you are scum reading rsoultin is because people play like that and she's forced to give reads like that as normal right so it can't be all bad?
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On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs. I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
Discussion development.
I give reads, you comment on them, I comment on your comments, we get information in thread.
All those reads are weak, yes. But they are enough to get people talking. The first 24 hours of the game is all about gathering information IMO.
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