• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:16
CEST 04:16
KST 11:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed18Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Who will win EWC 2025? Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Soulkey Muta Micro Map? BW General Discussion [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 621 users

TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2014 12:45 GMT
#7
/in
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 05 2014 01:03 GMT
#67
Im not sure I want that kind of dream marv.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 02:38 GMT
#540
I was not ready for the sheer volume of posts
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 09:32 GMT
#639
lol what in the world kush
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 10:04 GMT
#641
btw vivax is scum
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 11:18 GMT
#651
vivax has inconsistent reads and look at this shit.

On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.

I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.

Null for me.

Completely unnecessary defence of someone that isnt even close to being a top thread target.
And its a decent amount into the game so i would expect a better opening post since he clearly thought something.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 11:19 GMT
#652
Wait a minute, where in the world did the bandwagon onto Bunnies come from? ?

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 11:24 GMT
#653
yeah I dunno what in the world.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 11:49 GMT
#656
On December 09 2014 20:41 Holyflare wrote:
That vivax post was at a perfectly normal time on someone that was the thread focus/part of a thread focus. It also happens at the same time as the bunnies posts so I have no idea how you don't know what's happening with bunnies

Also like the (ritoky?) post about ls having quite a lot of unsubstantiated town reads, and not questioning people based on them bla bla post but more so coupled with what kelsier said

Kush could absolutely be mafia at this point of time

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 15:43 Damdred wrote:
Said its a weak scum read in the post.

votes an hour later? No reap thoughts?


I told him to read my filter and sheep me. Can only assume that's what he did.


I read bunnies posts, there is NOTHING THERE HOLYFLARE>

Also, that wasnt quite my point, my point was that there wasnt so much suspcion on him that it warrented any kinda reasonable defence.
And for a first post? Bad.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#657
Yeah Xata, lightning could be scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 12:17 GMT
#669
On December 09 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
Its hardly "vivax has inconsistent reads" like you make it out to be though.

How is there nothing there in bunnies posts???? Are we even reading the same game. At least state why my case/points are wrong before denouncing them based on nothing.

Also in regards to xatalos, bunnies having a 1/4 of the votes doesn't really mean anything and there are people pushing in different directions. This means nothing about bunnies alignment at all though, mafia might not even have a voice in the thread yet so far too much wifom. Your points on hts are... Ehh.. Just not appealing? You pretty much base it all on one post which isn't even that scummy and then say the rest of her posts are fluff but they aren't really in the context, she also has no suspicion of damd and the association of bunnies/hts doesn't apply at all with the evidence.

I also don't know why you even have a kelsier read in your post at all, that looks really out of place.

Vivax defended bunnies then called her scum without referring to his defence of her at all.

You spend like 5 posts talking about how she called someone town but that he did scummy shit. You realise that its not mutually exclusive?

You can do scummy shit and still be town.

Im totes not defending bunnies but there are better people to lynch today.
^^

And seriously so many posts asking people what they think of bunnies.
Its clearly working but its making feel like you dont know what you are doing.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 12:57 GMT
#690
I really dont know man Xata, her tone seems pretty happy and alright.

Meh, not making a read now on her.

Hey Holyflare, that is completely true on Vivax.
However, bunnies didnt explain shit on her change which makes me think it is really bad. So too scum to be scum.

Vivax's reasons for Bunnies scum are weak though, looks exactly like what he said bunnies was doing.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 13:00 GMT
#692
On December 09 2014 21:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 21:50 Koshi wrote:
Can the 3rd joyful child claim? I want to see if scum has the balls to counterclaim.

By claiming joyful Templar verified this:
On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.

Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.

Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in.


So can the third joyful claim asap and confirm the bolded.

3 confirmed town is ezpz.


Really? Just...really? First, SL is a nincompoop, though well-meaning. Second, Damdred clearly in his droppings was asking for presents long before he actually said that he didn't have any. Third, they're random. Mod even came back in to say they were random. Random, random, random.

The dumb here is stifling.

OWS anyone? Or we gonna waste our time on ninja and HTS some more?

Nope not OWS.
Vivax.
Explain why pls.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 13:01 GMT
#695
Its not a bad lynch.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 13:02 GMT
#697
Its not the best lynch.

liancourt pls.

Give a reason HTS why kush claimed.
Come on, try.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 13:43 GMT
#725
On December 09 2014 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I also think bats is relatively not scummy at the present moment because he dropped everything after he was proven wrong and just sheeped me instead which is in fact townyish.

Would lynch: bunnies, kush, (oats?), (ls?), obi.

Still deciding on brackets. Subject to change on a few too. Full list later though, will be home at night and can write longer posts. Keep wasting posts on random crap and I'm almost at 4 pages -.-

Bunnies : what I've been saying
Kush: useless vote, useless scrooge post, afking and not caring about the game
Oats: talked about vivax but was completely wrong about it/bunnies
Ls: lots of town reads little justification, rito/kelsier points
Obi: bleh

No are you even reading?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 13:45 GMT
#726
On December 09 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote:
LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?

Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads


Oh really? well let's wait for your one scum read then

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.


your reads:
HF- obvious read that everyone is making
Templar - trying to noob claim
OWS - meta
Slam - meta in a game you didn't even play
Damdred - fine enough
rsoultin - meta
FF - meta
27nb - non-committal
HTS - meta
ritoky - wait and see

and then there's sicklucker....you say he hasn't done weird shenanigans, but he literally HAS DONE THOSE THINGS. like this is just a straight lie. if you actually were following the thread you should have very clearly read that he did the things that you should have town read him for. that has clearly changed since your original post, so why hasn't your read?

like your reads are crap, they are primarily meta, they have 0 content, 1 is a straight up lie, and they are stagnant even though a whole lot has happened. i just really cannot believe that this is in any way a town perspective.

##vote: LightningStrike

Thats how he plays man.
Did you check his meta?

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:26 GMT
#809
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-

Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.


Vivax called bunnies scum for a superficial reason.
That reason was that bunnies switched to fit in.

However, there is no indication that bunnies intentionally did that. In fact, she doesnt even explain her vote which is townie imo.

Vivax defended bunnies earlier but now is calling her scum.
Its the exact thing he said.

And it looks a ton like he is bandwagoning.

Scummmyyyyy.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:31 GMT
#815
On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:
Holy Moses.

I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.

Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?

Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:

On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
Setup Information


All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.



It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.

Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?





This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game.

Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb.

This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff.

Lol why is this not townish?
He is reading the thread closely enough to ask an ok question because this dude reads someone scummier than his scummier read. Its not a bad question.
And the setup speculation is relevant considering it had been an issue.

Its not a bad post Vivax, why are you trying to force a scumread on it?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 09 2014 15:31 GMT
#816
lian is fucking annoying but it doesnt mean hes scum.
No gg, No skill.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 259
RuFF_SC2 128
Livibee 122
Ketroc 74
ProTech69
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17331
Icarus 11
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1113
NeuroSwarm116
LuMiX0
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe171
Other Games
tarik_tv21260
summit1g16210
JimRising 489
WinterStarcraft332
ViBE223
Trikslyr90
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1982
BasetradeTV28
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1229
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 44m
Online Event
13h 44m
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
15h 44m
Esports World Cup
2 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
3 days
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.