TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me.
Completely unnecessary defence of someone that isnt even close to being a top thread target.
And its a decent amount into the game so i would expect a better opening post since he clearly thought something.
On December 09 2014 20:41 Holyflare wrote:
That vivax post was at a perfectly normal time on someone that was the thread focus/part of a thread focus. It also happens at the same time as the bunnies posts so I have no idea how you don't know what's happening with bunnies
Also like the (ritoky?) post about ls having quite a lot of unsubstantiated town reads, and not questioning people based on them bla bla post but more so coupled with what kelsier said
Kush could absolutely be mafia at this point of time
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On December 09 2014 15:43 Damdred wrote:
Said its a weak scum read in the post.
votes an hour later? No reap thoughts?
I told him to read my filter and sheep me. Can only assume that's what he did.
I read bunnies posts, there is NOTHING THERE HOLYFLARE>
Also, that wasnt quite my point, my point was that there wasnt so much suspcion on him that it warrented any kinda reasonable defence.
And for a first post? Bad.
On December 09 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
Its hardly "vivax has inconsistent reads" like you make it out to be though.
How is there nothing there in bunnies posts???? Are we even reading the same game. At least state why my case/points are wrong before denouncing them based on nothing.
Also in regards to xatalos, bunnies having a 1/4 of the votes doesn't really mean anything and there are people pushing in different directions. This means nothing about bunnies alignment at all though, mafia might not even have a voice in the thread yet so far too much wifom. Your points on hts are... Ehh.. Just not appealing? You pretty much base it all on one post which isn't even that scummy and then say the rest of her posts are fluff but they aren't really in the context, she also has no suspicion of damd and the association of bunnies/hts doesn't apply at all with the evidence.
I also don't know why you even have a kelsier read in your post at all, that looks really out of place.
Vivax defended bunnies then called her scum without referring to his defence of her at all.
You spend like 5 posts talking about how she called someone town but that he did scummy shit. You realise that its not mutually exclusive?
You can do scummy shit and still be town.
Im totes not defending bunnies but there are better people to lynch today.
And seriously so many posts asking people what they think of bunnies.
Its clearly working but its making feel like you dont know what you are doing.
Meh, not making a read now on her.
Hey Holyflare, that is completely true on Vivax.
However, bunnies didnt explain shit on her change which makes me think it is really bad. So too scum to be scum.
Vivax's reasons for Bunnies scum are weak though, looks exactly like what he said bunnies was doing.
On December 09 2014 21:57 rsoultin wrote:
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On December 09 2014 21:50 Koshi wrote:
Can the 3rd joyful child claim? I want to see if scum has the balls to counterclaim.
By claiming joyful Templar verified this:
On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present.
Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town.
Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in.
So can the third joyful claim asap and confirm the bolded.
3 confirmed town is ezpz.
Really? Just...really? First, SL is a nincompoop, though well-meaning. Second, Damdred clearly in his droppings was asking for presents long before he actually said that he didn't have any. Third, they're random. Mod even came back in to say they were random. Random, random, random.
The dumb here is stifling.
OWS anyone? Or we gonna waste our time on ninja and HTS some more?
Nope not OWS.
Explain why pls.
Give a reason HTS why kush claimed.
Come on, try.
On December 09 2014 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I also think bats is relatively not scummy at the present moment because he dropped everything after he was proven wrong and just sheeped me instead which is in fact townyish.
Would lynch: bunnies, kush, (oats?), (ls?), obi.
Still deciding on brackets. Subject to change on a few too. Full list later though, will be home at night and can write longer posts. Keep wasting posts on random crap and I'm almost at 4 pages -.-
Bunnies : what I've been saying
Kush: useless vote, useless scrooge post, afking and not caring about the game
Oats: talked about vivax but was completely wrong about it/bunnies
Ls: lots of town reads little justification, rito/kelsier points
No are you even reading?
On December 09 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:
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On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote:
LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?
Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads
Oh really? well let's wait for your one scum read then
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On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.
HF- obvious read that everyone is making
Templar - trying to noob claim
OWS - meta
Slam - meta in a game you didn't even play
Damdred - fine enough
rsoultin - meta
FF - meta
27nb - non-committal
HTS - meta
ritoky - wait and see
and then there's sicklucker....you say he hasn't done weird shenanigans, but he literally HAS DONE THOSE THINGS. like this is just a straight lie. if you actually were following the thread you should have very clearly read that he did the things that you should have town read him for. that has clearly changed since your original post, so why hasn't your read?
like your reads are crap, they are primarily meta, they have 0 content, 1 is a straight up lie, and they are stagnant even though a whole lot has happened. i just really cannot believe that this is in any way a town perspective.
Thats how he plays man.
Did you check his meta?
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Vivax called bunnies scum for a superficial reason.
That reason was that bunnies switched to fit in.
However, there is no indication that bunnies intentionally did that. In fact, she doesnt even explain her vote which is townie imo.
Vivax defended bunnies earlier but now is calling her scum.
Its the exact thing he said.
And it looks a ton like he is bandwagoning.
On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:
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On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata.
Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's?
Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP:
On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:
All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role.
It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game.
Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb.
This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff.
Lol why is this not townish?
He is reading the thread closely enough to ask an ok question because this dude reads someone scummier than his scummier read. Its not a bad question.
And the setup speculation is relevant considering it had been an issue.
Its not a bad post Vivax, why are you trying to force a scumread on it?