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On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
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On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too  Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is
does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old
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On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum?
wtf
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On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little.
we should invert these because either way you're going to be wrong
On June 17 2015 07:42 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum? wtf are you reading the thread backwards?
why, you got a problem with that?
![[image loading]](http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/come-at-me-bro.jpg)
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On June 17 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently.
on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad would you rate Nydus
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On June 17 2015 07:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. we should invert these because either way you're going to be wrong On June 17 2015 07:42 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum? wtf are you reading the thread backwards? why, you got a problem with that? yeh it's what mafia does
herp mafia don't actually have to read to win on this forum.
and sad truth of the matter is that most don't
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On June 17 2015 07:48 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently. on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad would you rate Nydus Why does this matter? Also, glowingbear just modded a game I was in and I think he was in my first game as well so he's probably a better judge of my abilities (or lack of).
I actually don't trust anything glowingbear says
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On June 17 2015 07:47 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently. D: ...
also is this a disagreement or what
can you answer the question? Yes or no, are you, NydusHerMain, a smurf? How many games of mafia on this forum have you played? And if you don't mind me asking, which ones? Is it only holy guardians?
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On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right  Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit  ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him  He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore
see this is the kind of shit I'm talking about
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On June 17 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:47 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently. D: ... also is this a disagreement or what can you answer the question? Yes or no, are you, NydusHerMain, a smurf? How many games of mafia on this forum have you played? And if you don't mind me asking, which ones? Is it only holy guardians? I've played 2 games of forum mafia on teamliquid and that's it. It's not a disagreement but rather a "he's calling me bad T.T" . This is going to be my third game ever.
what game aside from Holy Guardians?
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On June 17 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
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refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!
identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all. I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert.
do you even know what the word "fabricated" means?
If anything here is fabricated it's your reason for voting me
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On June 17 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
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Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
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I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.
Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.
It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.
You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all. I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert. Is the vote on Mig by him that making it go red alert or are you sure it's not yellow alert? it's his bullshit defence of you, his weird fucking "oh be careful i've got my eye on you" crap and then his stupid fucking vote. since then he read the thread backwards which is usually mafia and he asked some stupid question about how good nydus is on a scale...which is totally pointless and serves no purpose. He is mafia and you should all vote him.
LOL
I don't know anyone in this game except Mig and a couple people from my previous game and the game I hosted, including LS and Onegu. I thought Nydus was a smurf so I wanted to know whether I can expect him to be good or not. Mafia is very much a game of identity; knowing who is good will allow me to bounce my reads off people. It's good now I know I won't be bouncing any reads off you given how horrendous your logic is.
For example, how can you even say which direction I read the thread? And even if I did read it backwards (which I didn't, because that's confusing as fuck) how is that at all alignment-indicative? And how is my post on LS a defense of him? He hasn't posted shit all yet and I actually found his use of the ":o" face a little suspicious, given how often he used it last game to defuse the tone of his posts.
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On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed
have you played with any of these players much?
what do you think of LS's posts this game so far?
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On June 17 2015 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed How did you reach this conclusion?
I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you
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On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: ![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012010/1264505362_cat-fight.gif) more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene.
are you the one filming
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wat. saying "I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this game" is not me saying he is town. It literally means what it says, if he rolled scum again he's going to be wary of me because I fucking nailed him last game.
You did read it backwards because you made a case and responded to someting LS said and then quoted the nydus post which came after
While it's nice that you are so confident, you should consider looking at perspective. I read that post because it was at the top of the latest page at the time. I was reading that page for new posts as I went down and when LS asked me about Onegu I went back and read from the beginning, my first proper read of the game. I didn't find anything super weird aside from a couple posts from Nydus (which is why I asked whether he is a smurf after looking at his profile) and then subsequently that post I marked as "wtf". It's pretty natural for me to have several tabs open with one at the latest page and a couple others either on filters or at the current point in the thread where I'm reading/rereading.
this is early d1 so bringing up points about my "logic" being bad and how you won't talk to me all game comes across poorly. Your posting has been scummy and i've highlighted it
I don't particularly care what you think, because you've so far demonstrated that your opinions are not useful. Therefore, I am going to ignore you, and if you want that to change you should probably consider working with me instead of flailing around and being dumb. What you think is alignment-indicative is not, and never will be, so unless your mentality changes I have nothing to gain from talking to you.
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On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum
if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play
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