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like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town:
"yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????"
and also it's not hard if you read my actual posts to determine what changed my read on gb since I did actually answer you:
On June 24 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:ten times i've posted with that account  there it is gb lol i cannot comprehend the thought process: "i'm town! lynch me!" ^^ except from slam. but you're not slam the man awesome Well that's just lack of intelligence on your part then  Killing mig means nothing of gb's claim or anything to do with gb's alignment. Killing me does. If you want to analyse play specifically, I think gb's claim might be fake. He spent the whole day yesterday shit fighting with me specifically over how mig's intent was so towny and bla bla bla, we could have definitely lynched mig yesterday if he didn't do such scummy things. He literally purposely shit fought with me on every return just to perpetuate a fake claim??? Then the red check on me which is obviously wrong. It looks very scummy to me.
On June 22 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote:
Lohengramm (8): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare
HF why did you switch to yam when you are so sure of gb and wanted to fight it the whole way?
Rsoultin how sure are you on Fidei at this point still?
Are you actually kidding me? He's an un cc'd blue and things that made him fucking dumb today like defending mig's switch and calling me bad make more sense with a green check. Even if he's stupid.
the only reason i believed his claim was because it explained the shit fights and now the shit fights were literally just to antagonise me on purpose, there's also the fact that I re-evaluated that he didn't claim cop d1 and I don't think he would ever just "hold it out" like that and potentially die
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Yes. If he fake-claimed cop. Which your flip won't resolve definitively one way or another.
Why the read change?
If you're really town give us your analysis, lawyer XP
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+ the copious amounts of posts i've been spewing about him all game
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On June 24 2015 23:05 rsoultin wrote:
Yes. If he fake-claimed cop. Which your flip won't resolve definitively one way or another.
Why the read change?
If you're really town give us your analysis, lawyer XP
if he fake claimed cop he's 100% mafia
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It's super ballsy to claim cop and a red check instead of an rb in a game this size. The mig is moot because from a town perspective the scum reaction is what he's testing.
It's a risky, convoluted plan for scum.
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On June 24 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
It's super ballsy to claim cop and a red check instead of an rb in a game this size. The mig is moot because from a town perspective the scum reaction is what he's testing.
It's a risky, convoluted plan for scum.
i'm just going to stop speaking to you since you pick all the scenarios which are wrong and refuse for some reason to test his claim by lynching me which makes absolutely no sense
if you can prove why i'd be framed by mafia when they think gb isn't the cop i'll concede that your points are better
if you can't you lynch me and prove his alignment
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Alright, first and foremost I'm not mafia and I'm not just any old sherpa, I am THE Sherpa. Got that? Right.
On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES
There's several scenarios that I can think of right now and some of them seem a bit confusing. GB has told us that he's fake claimed his Mig check, so, the reason that I had to believe that he green checked Mig (his useless defences of Mig) now seem entirely strange and made up. (Like his Onegu read yesterday? TRUE DAT) There's also a bunch of situational shit (like never claiming cop in the d1 lynch despite basically being dead if not for shockeyy and mig (who he's now calling mafia >_>) If you want to get into crazy wifom territory, Breshke and ritoky were also going against GB last night.
Couple this with the abundance of reasons that I've been mentioning all game, one would think that every single thing GB has said this game is entirely made up and false. The only thing that I can see that he's done that's "towny" is this weird trap thing today which I admit, even I was kind of convinced was true. However, this is very simple to figure out. 2 situations will occur:
1) I either flip VT in which case GB MUST be killed. No if's or buts. I very very very much doubt that mafia were like "hey, GB is cop and he's obviously going to check the guy he was fighting with all day let's frame HF" and GB got unlucky. I won't ever buy that situation.
2) I flip miller. Again, mafia not going to frame me. This scenario means that GB is very likely confirmed cop (does the rolecop show millers?) and you guys should protect him or whatever.
REMEMBER IF SCENARIO 1 HAPPENS LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF GB. IF YOU GO AGAINST THIS I WILL SMITE YOU DOWN POST GAME WITH ALL MY FIERY VENGEANCE. You do not even need my filter posts against GB to realise that situation.
If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. If you believe mig is town and GB is town then you believe mafia did nothing to stop him getting a check the next day and you still lynch me. If you believe mig is town and gb is mafia then you lynch me and determine that on my flip since i'm a VT
So, in order to carry out the plan™ it's a bit fucking annoying but I have to plan it out for 2 situations:
I flip miller - If I flip miller it means that GB is very likely to be the cop. In this case that means that LS is probably town (I have no reason to go against this read) so the situation looks like this in regards to the day 1 (and day 2 votes):
boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred
LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
Holyflare (1): boxerfred
Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority
GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo
Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig
boxerfred (8): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC, boxerfred, ShoCkeyy, Breshke, KelsierSC
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, ritoky
Not voted (1): Lohengramm
Non-confirmed - Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority
Now, in this scenario where GB is the cop the aforementioned people become the unconfirmed players in the game. One of them is a medic? (+ls) thing potentially if the kp was blocked/someone was saved n1 which makes it a bit easier for you guys later on.
I flip VT - If I flip VT it means that GB is very likely NOT the cop and you should definitely lynch him.
boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred
LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
Holyflare (1): boxerfred
Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority
GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo
Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig
boxerfred (8): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC, boxerfred, ShoCkeyy, Breshke, KelsierSC
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, ritoky
Not voted (1): Lohengramm
Non-confirmed - Damdred, LS, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority
Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking.
On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Town:
Ls
Nhm
Rsoul
Damdred
Ritoky
Town leans
Kel
Gb
Breske
This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls
Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly.
On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc.
Everything I right has some value.
^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down?
Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense:
On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote:
Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually.
I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol.
But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently.
Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore.
I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town.
besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is.
The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else?
This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen
and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing.
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote:
Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading.
However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box.
THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? (GB) and then says he's only like 70% sure gb is town after defending him so hard and then proceeds to afk again. lol.
On June 23 2015 02:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 02:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote:
So...
All a sudden my gut says shockey is town...it's for bassist reasons though, so I might ! have to hedge my bets like palmar On June 22 2015 07:06 Damdred wrote:
I still think LS is town, I read his filter or scanned it and it looks like town LS.
I'd probably be ok with Shockey maybe oneg I need to read rux What's your reasoning for flipping your read on me? ohhhhhhh snapple
^ shockeyy top town for this too
I think he's very likely mafia. Even with the long spates of afking he looked like mafia defending everyone. I think he has had one scum read this entire game that he's pushed but didn't even push it.
at this point i've been put in the worst mood you've probably ever seen someone in so i can't be fucking bothered to continue anymore
tl:dr - if i flip vt lynch GB, if i flip miller don't
damdred ^ above, onegu (focused on ls all game, been in ts in times of mass posting and confusion and did nothing but play dota still pushed ls later despite many reasons not to and is scummy anyway), mig?(maybe, depends - check my posts about his flip in stance and compare to his reply also his vote on gb today is trash tier), VA (who the fuck knows, if gb is mafia va is probably not at all)
I town read nydus since the comparison between his mafia game and this was night and day
shockeyy has been talking in url's and is super towny and finding inconsistencies in things
ruxxar is a bit meh but bugs was towny and i don't think ruxxar is doing that badly, especially for someone that was in 2 games at once (have to admit i've ignored him a bit though) if i'm wrong on someone it might be this guy
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zzzzzzzzz sorry i couldn't carry the game more i'm pissed off like crazy
anyway lynch me and continue game
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote:
This new chain of events is:
Ls chas 8 pages of filter
Gb does shit all
Hf calls him out
Gb says he'll do stuff
Gb doesn't do stuff
Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read
Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing
Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page
Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim
Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff. +gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago? care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust. But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way  Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head On June 19 2015 04:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:
1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.
2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?
3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?
4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?
5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.
I want you all to answer these. 1) You have done absolutely no cases the entire thread and it's been 48 hours and you basically had no scum reads, I and several others had called you out for this. You were forced to make a case and it was bad as a result. 2) You have a MAJOR HABIT OF DOING THIS. Do not sit there and ask me why when in Game of Thrones YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME WHEN YOU WERE MAFIA ROFL. 3) to appear "carefree" since someone has mentioned multiple times that you don't stick to people as mafia or whatever, the flaw is that you had little reasoning and absolutely no follow up and little care about what happened 4) lynching lurkers is the easiest cop out and YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE CASES TO LYNCH MAFIA..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5) because you suck and know he does it as town all the fucking time and you'd look terrible if he flipped named vt On June 19 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote:
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##vote Glowingbear Answer my points. I think hf and wbg did a good job of that already I'm not reading WBG because I think he is mafia or stupid I've answered those shitty answers from Holyflare no you didn't, you asked me specific questions which i definitely gave great answers to and you retorted with them with things completely irrelevant to the original question it's also fucking easy to just ask loaded questions like you're trying to do i've summarised your whole play this game and i don't think a town gb would be so mediocre the entire game, you had absolutely no passion about anything at all other than consolidating on lurkers, your only push was on breshke 40 hours into the day and it was so mediocre and kelsier quashed that very very easily so now there are 0 things that you say that have any relevance in this game On June 19 2015 05:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 05:31 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 05:30 rsoultin wrote:
definitely carol -_- it irritated me no end that all he did was spam LYNCH HOLYFLARE
off a terrible case xP
as town
lol >< *NB I WASN'T A LURKER LYNCH She is talking about the caps lock thing STOP PLAYING STUPID WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU No but your defence THIS game was that you ALWAYS want to vote on lurker lynches as town whereas that's not particularly the case. If you get intrigued about something you always push them with hell bent vigour. You have not done that in the slightest this game and instead just went for the lurkers until you were forced into a corner and have scum read 2 people that you don't even really care about lynching based on pretty weak reasons. On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Mafia POV
1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me.
2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:Mafia POV
1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me.
2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + HF you know I'm voting boxerfred because going against scummy lurkers and that my townreads doesn't want to vote Breshke Stop being stupid LOL NO THIS IS WHY YOU VOTED HIM TO BEGIN WITH DON'T PUSH THIS BULL SHIT NOW. HE'S STILL YOUR SCUM READ. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAH HAH HAH On June 19 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Shut up HF, good players are playing lynch the fuck out of this guy right now RIGHT NOW anyone that is voting for boxerfred ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME????? On June 19 2015 07:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 07:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 06:49 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 06:46 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Shut up HF, good players are playing lynch the fuck out of this guy right now RIGHT NOW anyone that is voting for boxerfred ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME????? ^ misrepresentation go away HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO IT'S NOT PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:Mafia POV
1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me.
2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + ^ if that's the post you're referring to o.0 wtf hf did you read it before you quoted it? Explain it to me like i'm 5. the post it is quoted from he shits all over the reasons that i initially scum read bf for and produces this list of HIS reasons instead. The first reason is useless because it's a reason he already discredited from my case. The second reason is based off of his first post and only his first post. This is his only reason for a scum read on bf. so basically you're telling me that he said his first reason was bad somewhere else then gave it as a reason bf was scum so as such you're only counting one reason and then when i said pretty sure that's not his only reason so you were misrepresenting him to try to get him lynched you then come after me? lol >< cute okay, well, if he did say that reason was bad before giving it as his reason i see why you see it differently but i don't remember any such post from him so you should probably show me ^ um..? no i made a case on bf everyone sheeped it, gb chronic afk and i tell him to do something, he says all my points on bf being mafia are bad. His point number 1 is something from my case which he called bad (IN THE SAME POST LOL) so his point 1 does not count as his own point and even if by some weird reason you want to say it does count then he's called it bad so why the fuck would he be using it and then if you want to say it counts as a second point regardless, it's not even a fucking solid point???????????? his second point is his only reason for voting bf, bf's first post of the game, the main wagon in the game and the only reason gb can find for bf to be mafia is his joke entry post you then trot into the thread on your high horse and tell me to look at his lynch list for no reason?? you spent a very long time making vague posts that didn't explain anything and were repeatedly throwing me off the track of lynching mafia like you quite clearly have a reason to say it's misrepresentation now but you were purposefully vague then to make me waste time arguing with you On June 19 2015 07:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote:a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy
b) made a false timeline of events
c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context
d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question These reasons you picked from him to call him scum. I can see him coming from both perspectives regarding this Town POV (a) I can see a newbie looking at something that, for him, is scummy - someone displaying a self meta to call himself town. You saying that he did it just for the sake of calling something scummy is an interpretation of yours, but could not be his intention (nothing in his gameplay shows this - he actually voted you and pressured you) (b) 60 pages in 24 hours can make you mix things when you are skimming through the thread. You've seen me doing that as town quite a few times. (c) see point b (d) what question is that? Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting? That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. let's quote the whole post now let's quote the whole of the post you conveniently edited out of the first quote Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/4wAO1N5uusbMQ/giphy.gif)
OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the otheryour list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced hey look there's that point of mine you stole while calling all of my points trash much convenient On June 19 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 07:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 07:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 07:45 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
like that answer makes no sense. it is YOUR fault that you lynched town because you voted for a townie. If you don't want to figure out why you were wrong it makes your play scummy.
So if you are really town you'll go back and reread all the shit we said on GB and reread everything that occurred while you were gone because you clearly have demonstrated an inability to read at least one player in the game so far.
Don't blame BF for him getting lynched when we know from his perspective that he was genuine given that he has flipped scum. That's a really convenient cop out given that the blame gets put on a player who no longer has any impact on the game. lol i'm not blaming bf...you're misreading what i'm saying i'm saying i don't care cause i think gb is still town so it doesn't matter you can scumread me (well you can do whatever you want actually) but you can JUSTIFIABLY scumread me if i don't make an effort to reevaluate or whatever but presuming that i won't and basing your read on that is ludicrous pull your head out your ass, kindly i don't need the lecture and i don't care what you think, cause your bs doesn't change my role pm it DOES matter because the best chance for us to hit scum tomorrow is to lynch into the boxerfred voting list. Since we're around now why don't you give me your #1 scumread? no i'm going to eat then review the game again though i agree scum was probably on both wagons, for what it's worth if I don't get something prior to the silence period I'm going to assume you are scum with GB ...you do realize that threatening me is likely to achieve the opposite of the intended effect i'll play the game the way i damn well please, and that includes trusting MY READS over yours, and taking the time to make those reads instead of adhering to your timetable this behavior is not as helpful to town as you seem to thing it is yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far. That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong Trusting your read would get a townie lynched too. At least she correctly read me as town and you didn't. Now, how about you stop throwing dirt on everyone and actually start thinking about the whole game? There are 4 madia and you are locked in only one TIL that the op does not have the number of mafia in it gg glowingbear On June 20 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
basically i'm pretty tunnelled on gb and i read your post about what he does as town or whatever and think it didn't represent his gameplay this game at all
you said he "jumps around everywhere" but when did he do that? all he did was make lists with little to no reasoning behind them and they were all based on various degrees of lurking too and apart from that he had no actual scum reads to speak of and when he did
bla bla bla you know all the rest about his one and only point for scum reading bf <--------- which almost nobody has commented on btw +breshke/bugs posts that he never ever really pushed ever (when does gb not particularly push his scum reads?)
anyway i've talked to death about him so whatever i'll post some stuff in a bit On June 20 2015 21:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
plus explain to me this thought process
i am the awesomest scum hf in existence
i am going to claim (kinda) mason with ksc!
and now, for my ultimate act of brilliance...kill him so everyone sees my lie!
xP I think this is the exact thing he wants you to think. lol >< if this is the only reason to scumread him, wifom off a play he's already done as town, i'll pass Ok I prefer Mig anyway Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:
And I've actually read Mig's filter and he DID have a suspicion on boxerfred. His post style was very clean too. He also looked like trying to solve he game, reacting to the thread accordingly to what he saw (and this ISN'T is what I saw in Fidei's filter)
His vote on boxer makes sense to me now.
I'm also admitting I was OMGUSing bugs. As I said, you will find odd things in every player with a huge filter. I think I could be biased because I overestimated bugs play as both scum and town. this guy just spouts off nonsense 24/7 On June 20 2015 21:09 Holyflare wrote:
gb finally realises that if mig flips mafia he'd also be caught out and so hard backtracks "oh guys i've totally read his filter nowwww" On June 21 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
Well let's see why you even pushing this makes you definitely mafia:
1) You were calling me mafia day 1 and throwing it around all the entire day. You especially did this night 1 yet had no problems with Kelsier at all. This never factored into anything you ever wrote.
2) You are now using the assumption that I'm alive to paint me negatively but there was only 1 kp that went off on a 2kp night. I could have easily been the shot with Kelsier. This looks incredibly like TMI that I may have not actually been the shot.
3) useless nitpicking at points that clearly don't affect anyone's alignment
If you answer to 1) is that you thought Onegu had claimed it with Kelsier then your original scum read on Onegu and your rescinding of that look incredibly like you were giving fake reasons to change your mind on him. On June 21 2015 03:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin you also made this list of posts after the claim had already occurred which seperates both Onegu AND Kelsier which means you don't even believe it to begin with checkmate mafiabear now plz just roll over On June 21 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote:whoops quoted wrong list + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred On June 21 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 07:16 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote:
eh he's done it before as town and ksc already negated it?
plus he said he wasn't and he was in the same post so
kinda...late to the ballgame there gb xP Why would he hidden it? I didn't bring it to surface to avoid them getting shot. But I thought that it was Onegu that claimed. That's why I flipped my read on him. You DID NOT flip your read on him. You scum read him for ages after. I literally just fucking proved that in that list i quoted. Regardless of that it TOTALLY circumvents everything else because point 2 is far more damning. You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
There is also a roughly 0%
and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused
you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it
if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it On June 21 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 15:20 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 15:16 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 15:16 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 15:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote:
GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory. I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter. But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom. Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town? On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
[*]boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread) boxerfred On June 17 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote:
My Day1 PoE lynchlist (from most preferred to least preferred target)
- Bill Murray
- boxerfred
- ShoCkeyy
- VayneAuthority
- Fidei86
- Mig
- Onegu
On June 17 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
GB and NHM town : ))))) ##Vote: OneguWhat about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? I've reevaluated him later, he looks like town Onegu. Why does he look like town onegu? Lazy, inactive, genuinely upset that he rolled VT. and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more On June 21 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 04:36 GlowingBear wrote:On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
There is also a roughly 0%
and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused
you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it
if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason. I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here. And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense). Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game. Then you kill VA Then you win the game. This is precisely why everyone scum reads you. You argue argue argue about "oh woe is me how can you possibly think i'm scummy OMGUS you must be mafia" but really, 3/4 of the game are reading you as mafia. It's quite evident since you almost got lynched. Now there are multiple votes that are suspicious as fuck that make it very likely you are mafia, you have to die, no if's or buts or anything, the whole discussion is based around you. You aren't even thinking about that, you aren't thinking about anything from anyone's perspective. You push bull shit like "oh yeh totally reevaluated breshke" but that was after everyone in this entire game told you how shit that case was. Yet, here we are, and you're still pushing breshke lol. You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? You know your shot failed on me, you know you're fucked, stop posting this repeated scummy bull shit. On June 21 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
You repeatedly complain about me pushing bull shit but let's not forget who initiated this disaster fest repeatedly. It was you. You thrive on making me spew posts at you because it disorganises the thread because of how irrationally aggressive i get. I was quite content questioning shockeyy and learning about his thought processes. On June 21 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
Then look at your reads list and how you completely criticised mine for being surface level (none of it is) and then look at your read list
Breshke - no in game reasons other than meta from last game
yamato - less reason than mine yet crticised my yamato read
VA - playing like va
ok gb
ok On June 21 2015 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
Just fuck off then. Make a case and get out of the thread. You are clearly shitting it up. You know multiple people have expressed disdain at how awful the thread is to read for it's length and you're intentionally posting nothing of substance and flinging shit in my direction to draw out the pages and make it unreadable.
Make a case on me and get people to vote me or just go away. On June 21 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 05:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 21 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
See, if you're town, you should be able to see Mig's town perspective. He raises suspicions on two guys (that were up for the lynch), with a stronger read on me, SUPPOSEDLY. THEN he comes back to the thread and sees two guys being up for the lynch. One is completely inactive and the other has 12 pages of filter and is fighting his lynch LIKE HELL. I can see him betting on boxerfred as town.
To everyone else in this game. This should be proof enough that: A) Glowingbear has no idea what is happening in this game. B) Glowingbear is not reading the filters of people at all and has no idea about what they said at the lynch time nor their intentions about things that occurred. On June 18 2015 06:14 Mig wrote:
Boxer is definitely shady so far, his time lines don't match up. Common for newer scum players to promise work at X time and then not know what to post so they dont deliver it.
Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read? Tell me again I'm not reading filters this is also super disingenuous to mig's filter the post before it is a giant wall of text calling you mafia, 5 more posts are pretty much after it saying you have 0 scum reads, you're pushing mafia agenda and flinging shit everywhere Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:40 Mig wrote:
I am pretty fucking torn honestly. I know I said I was going to vote gb but boxers return is so shady. Obviously at least reading the thread, comes in and completely copies bugs/hf for why he thinks GB is scum and then disappears again.
his ONLY reason for switching is that boxers return was shady and nothing more, 2 posts on boxerfred like 8 massive reasons to vote you, boxerfred's post wasn't even suspicious in the slightest since like i said multiple times, everyone else found it pretty genuine On June 21 2015 23:42 Holyflare wrote:
Has there been a single in game related mafia read gb has had? I don't really think so. Breshke and bugs totally just meta and everyone else is just afk reasons.
Gb does not follow his own thought processes. He doesn't know what's happening in this game. He posts defences of people about their "town perspective" which make leaps in logic since it doesn't follow with the evidence.
His response about not scum reading is bs "i don't scum read people i had town reads on d1" yet he goes on to throw shit at people like nydus for inacticity despite town reading him initially and doesn't even mention damdred who is way worse.
So inconsistent it's throughly annoying that people are voting off of his wagon when it's so obvious. On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him?
On June 22 2015 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
like holy shit you say stop shit fighting so i can do other stuff but then you just keep talking about stuff i'm saying and prolonging it, if you're town which i very very very very highly doubt then you should automatically realise that you have to die, there's nothing that would be more beneficial then seeing what happened at the flip
nothing you are defending yourself with is made with the conviction of trying to prove me otherwise but instead you just shit fling back at me which makes me more and more tunnelled and your reads don't even make sense with what you should be thinking or what's been happening in the game at all, mainly because none of your reads are actually truly based on this game other than the afking bits
On June 22 2015 06:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 22 2015 06:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 22 2015 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:
I really didn't want to reside on this but I am the detective and I have a green check on mig. Nop Nop Nop Guy didn't claim yesterday Nop that was my response, too, but it does actually explain the weird read flip on mig today? Or he knows he's fucked and mig looks like shit for defending him and fake claims?
collection on why gb is mafia - a shit tonne of posts in between, read my filter if you're bored and have time it's quite a long tunnel ^^
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On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.
I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor.
Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin.
I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower.
Kelsier is town
Onegu is town
Ritoky still looks town
Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him.
We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy.
Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also.
VA is a coinflip
I need to read Fidei
I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play.
Am I forgetting someone?
by the way this quote is 10 pages before the day 2 start where GB "checked" LS. Right after calling LS towny? I really really don't think so anymore
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On June 19 2015 14:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier
Ritoky
Onegu
Rsoultin
LS <------------------------------
Breshke
Damdred
Nydus
Holyflare
Fidei
VA
Yamato
Bugs
Mig
Shockey
This is basically where I'm at atm
Bolded townreads are not in order. The rest is more or less in order from less scum to most scum.
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On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson
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Honestly, I don't see a world where GB is NOT mafia. It ties in pretty nicely with my scum reads too. I questioned him repeatedly on why he didn't re-evaluate Onegu after he found out he wasn't a mason and he never actually responded
On June 21 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 07:16 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote:
eh he's done it before as town and ksc already negated it?
plus he said he wasn't and he was in the same post so
kinda...late to the ballgame there gb xP Why would he hidden it? I didn't bring it to surface to avoid them getting shot. But I thought that it was Onegu that claimed. That's why I flipped my read on him. You DID NOT flip your read on him. You scum read him for ages after. I literally just fucking proved that in that list i quoted. Regardless of that it TOTALLY circumvents everything else because point 2 is far more damning. You aren't thinking about this game at all if you think that I claimed masons and there's only 1 night kill but still question whether i'm mafia or not rofl
On June 21 2015 04:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it? Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ? I meant that his need to claim VT right away felt like he was trying to gain towncred (as he was scumread for not claiming VT in another game), and this need to gain towncred fits better a mafia perspective than town perspective in my opinion.Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now. and you literally lied about this if you thought onegu had claimed mason
On June 21 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 15:20 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 15:16 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 15:16 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 15:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote:
GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory. I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter. But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom. Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town? On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
[*]boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread) boxerfred On June 17 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote:
My Day1 PoE lynchlist (from most preferred to least preferred target)
- Bill Murray
- boxerfred
- ShoCkeyy
- VayneAuthority
- Fidei86
- Mig
- Onegu
On June 17 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
GB and NHM town : ))))) ##Vote: OneguWhat about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? I've reevaluated him later, he looks like town Onegu. Why does he look like town onegu? Lazy, inactive, genuinely upset that he rolled VT. and lied about this since he can't be genuinely upset about being a vt if you think he's a mason and the fact that you had him in your shitty poe list etc etc etc plz lie more
You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it?
On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote:
So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't added him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason?
On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him?
On June 22 2015 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
Yes. It's day 2. Your original scum read onegu has done absolutely nothing the entirety of the game. You just find out you were wrong about the mason claim so all your original points still stand + all extra shit all he did carries into today.
Onegu features nowhere in any of your reads at any point in this day other than to say you thought he was mason.
I'm shot every game n1 and every game I'm alive day 2 you question why I'm alive. Why are you acting as if that's not the case? You know it's extremely likely i got protected.
On June 22 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, this Onegu lock on LS and his suspicions on ruXXar without taking a second look at the wagons makes him look VEEEERY bad. areeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu fuckinggggggggg kidddingggg meeeeeeeeeee
then he conveniently starts to put mafia incentives on onegu VERY VERY WEAKLY after criticising me the entire day for SCUM READING ONEGU and then he checks me!??!?! loooooool
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btw it's kinda bm that i took a day off just to help you guys solve the game and you afk on me!
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if gb's green check on mig was fake and he was intentionally antagonising me then his thought process at the start of the day would be:
"yeh gotta make this fake check believable by lying about everything"
"oh hf is attacking me for this thought process, he must be mafia let's check him!" <--------- all of my what
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So, HF, should town lynch me instead of you?
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no but i will very likely flip vt
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If you flip Miller I will be very flattered that you thought I would do such sick plays as scum
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i really utterly doubt i'll flip miller at all
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