EPT@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far?
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote: If every time a town lynches mafia, they followed thread sentiment. Every time a scum mislynches town, they followed thread sentiment. | ||
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TalkingDead
102 Posts
Blazinghand is an interesting person that's been brought up a bunch because of his anti-nuke. Mainly because he anti-nuked so early and because he's the type of person that as mafia would anti-nuke anyone for credit. More interestingly, he's also the type of person who would plan this sort of clustfuck situation with BillMurray to thoroughly get the thread to shit pretty quickly. I'm going to look at him more in depth later. However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote: Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_- @Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far? Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads? | ||
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Damdred
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:17 Xatalos wrote: Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads? I got HTS as town she seems to try to get discussion going and not afraid of interacting with others plus her opening was very similar to her opening in the latest Titanic game when she was town. I got KSC as he trying to interact with others trying to give his thoughts and stuff and haven't been blue hunting like the time I ran into him when he was scum (Carol). I got Sandroba as town he actually had some good analyses early on that was insightful and isn't afraid of giving people a piece of his own mind. I got rsoultin (tina) as town even though she was being a pain in the butt (which I don't blame her because of Damdred being a pain in the butt towards her) she actually got some decent content. Vivax is my strongest scumread he haven't really posted much and not being crazy like I normally would expect from him when he's town. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3. Interesting point he does seem a bit more angry than the last I played with him town and seems to be the same level or anger and bullying in Void, Horns of Africa, and XXX when he was scum. Also I think we should wait on Stutters when he starts posting actively since I got a good cut and dry on his meta. | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:16 Xatalos wrote: Every time a scum mislynches town, they followed thread sentiment. Ya way to reinforce the point that it's not alignment indicative, UNLESS you can show how i follow thread sentiment. Those are my original thoughts and in the case of JAT I also refer to other people scumreading him. That means other people feel hes scum on top of me not that I'm following sentiment. | ||
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Vivax
21768 Posts
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual. Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Why do you think a BM flip would not give us information? He is one of the most talked about people, no? I don't really think dayvigging him would be a good idea if we can just lynch him. Dayvig shots should be saved for lurkers who don't create any associations with their play. RoL might fit this category. Tell me who I should have engaged then. Palmar attacked me for not getting a joke half a dozen other people also did not understand which is something he would do as either alignment and engaging him about it is completely pointless and a waste of posts. Yamato attacked me for not having reads. I already said he is probably town for the way he did it because he is a pussy as mafia. If he is town the only way to construtively engage this is by posting reads when I have them while arguing with him about it doesn't lead anywhere. If he is mafia there is no point in engaging him either. Now you call me angry. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. In fact people said I was not angry enough to be mafia earlier. But I don't think you are mafia with this performace so far. The difference to last game is like night and day. Maybe I am just having an off day but if I had seen situations that warranted "digging" I would have done so. Even though my style of playing is severely limited by this post restriction and that should be really obvious. It is absolutely possible that you feel like I am detached from this game because apparently I am. I realize that me defending myself doesn't help either and will stop doing this now but all I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that you will still want to lynch me tomorrow so it would be more producitve if you would concentrate on other people for now. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
##anti-nuke the nuke that is going towards Marv | ||
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Vivax
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote: Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's. Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual. Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. of course you post this after i grudgingly unvote you -_- it's not really making me want to lynch you more though, ironically...lol >< (clue: post restrictive game meets spammy player meets you're not reading all my posts if you think i'm being all...sweet? lol ><) i want to lynch bh/onegu as scum right now. flat out. those are my scumreads. deal with it. like, onegu over bh right now but yeah bm i think is town but highly stupid -_- though i really, really liked what he pointed out about onegu and possibly softing (kinda) traitor...that was an interesting take there was something off about oats toward me but it might just be knee-jerk...it was when he - accused me of posting just cause i felt that i "needed" to react then a minute later - explained dud nukes to me it just felt off. it's like if you're scumreading me, why bother to explain the dud thing? i don't know that it makes him scum but i wouldn't cry if he was lynched; that's for sure ows/bats i just don't know about -_- nullish i guess PS: if you want to attempt to metaread me, you can look at the scum games in my profile (all linked) but i doubt you get far. people have successfully toneread me but i've yet to see an accurate metaread (as marv/damdy xP)...perhaps because my play is pretty fluid anyway, being somewhat new (6 months) to mafia in general | ||
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Vivax
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
i should really f5...less inclined to lynch bh now :/ though i'd still like you to explain your thought process on truffle cause it's still hella weird and yeah probably literally not going to look at this game again until tomorrow morning gonna run out of posts blah | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I'm back. Closing in on the first half of D1 we're at a point where Trfel (normally the town leader) should be providing some thing in the ways of his analysis, at least for what I'm familiar with. He's been active with advocating BM's lynch so you'd think... Trfel, if BM were removed from the game, whom would you lynch today? The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now. My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076 It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Looking at TD's subsequent posts, I'm pretty sure he's town, but I'll look into his filter to make sure I'm not missing anything. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On May 12 2015 05:04 justanothertownie wrote: Why do you think a BM flip would not give us information? He is one of the most talked about people, no? I don't really think dayvigging him would be a good idea if we can just lynch him. Dayvig shots should be saved for lurkers who don't create any associations with their play. RoL might fit this category. Tell me who I should have engaged then. Palmar attacked me for not getting a joke half a dozen other people also did not understand which is something he would do as either alignment and engaging him about it is completely pointless and a waste of posts. Yamato attacked me for not having reads. I already said he is probably town for the way he did it because he is a pussy as mafia. If he is town the only way to construtively engage this is by posting reads when I have them while arguing with him about it doesn't lead anywhere. If he is mafia there is no point in engaging him either. Now you call me angry. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. In fact people said I was not angry enough to be mafia earlier. But I don't think you are mafia with this performace so far. The difference to last game is like night and day. Maybe I am just having an off day but if I had seen situations that warranted "digging" I would have done so. Even though my style of playing is severely limited by this post restriction and that should be really obvious. It is absolutely possible that you feel like I am detached from this game because apparently I am. I realize that me defending myself doesn't help either and will stop doing this now but all I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that you will still want to lynch me tomorrow so it would be more producitve if you would concentrate on other people for now. Somehow I believe your response. I'll get off your balls. The thing about BM is that I can't really fault people for thinking he is either town or scum. I'm myself at like ~51% town at this point. I think he is an easy bus if mafia and if town I really can't tell the difference from the scum and town on his wagon. That's why I'd rather he just got vigged so we could move on, I don't really think his alignment really matters at this point. | ||
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TalkingDead
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