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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 11 2015 21:16 GMT
#741
On May 12 2015 06:15 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 05:41 Half the Sky wrote:
19/60

EBWOP - at Vivax, also saying "fuck you bh" after he anti-nuked BM isn't helping your credibility atm.

JAT - what is your current DNL list?

Vivax - If you're not scum, then tell me who is.

Also regarding the recent BH nuke, I think it's a towny action, though I'm with Rasputin - explain what you thought of Trfel as you were saving him, or if you really saved him off a tone read?

Or even better, looking at him now, do you regret saving him?

I think the following players should not be lynched today for different reasons. Order is not important.

marv
GB
Trfel
sandro
HTS
yamato
bats
rsoultin
BH
Damdred
TD
Palmar


I'm good with this list. Would add Oats to it.


This is me sorry smurf post. I swear I am never smurfing again once a certain game is over.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 11 2015 21:18 GMT
#742
On May 12 2015 06:16 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 06:15 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 12 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 05:41 Half the Sky wrote:
19/60

EBWOP - at Vivax, also saying "fuck you bh" after he anti-nuked BM isn't helping your credibility atm.

JAT - what is your current DNL list?

Vivax - If you're not scum, then tell me who is.

Also regarding the recent BH nuke, I think it's a towny action, though I'm with Rasputin - explain what you thought of Trfel as you were saving him, or if you really saved him off a tone read?

Or even better, looking at him now, do you regret saving him?

I think the following players should not be lynched today for different reasons. Order is not important.

marv
GB
Trfel
sandro
HTS
yamato
bats
rsoultin
BH
Damdred
TD
Palmar


I'm good with this list. Would add Oats to it.


This is me sorry smurf post. I swear I am never smurfing again once a certain game is over.

I was going to say that you posted on your smurf lol.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#743
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#744
20/60

Have just read Student 7 again....I assume this is what you refer to.

On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote:
Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also.


On April 12 2015 06:01 Onegu wrote:
Also rsoultin scum will tell you why in a case later, but basicly it has to do with her just looking like a busy body with 4/5 of her posts being questions. And a lot of her reads are based off of meta as the main part when she knows it's a terrible way to play.


I know in Hammertime (he was mafia vanilla) he was all over the place but launched a hard defence of GB when I was tunnelling on him, only suspected him when VE was killed in lylo (and VE sucessfully scumread him that game).

Glanced at Hammer again. He also had the "don't give a fuck' attitude and one liners that I see in his town games but if he was pushing an ML on someone in that game he posted walls of text and I was getting that super serious tone.

But in Student 7 as town...I see more of the don't give a fuck attitude, but I'm also seeing it in his scum game (Hammertime).

On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:
15/60

okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-

- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)

- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP

- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum


Point 1 - the one liners I could go either way based on Hammertime. I've seen it in one of his town and his scum games. The walls of text are a point against Onegu based on Hammertime.

Point 2 - You're contesting the word "obligatory" is probably forced. I don't like the use of the word but I'm not sure the use of obligatory makes him scum.

Point 3 - Your knowledge of him was a point against you, and although he's not making that a central part of his read on you now, he has listed a few others in the quotes - the non alignment indicative (which he's probably taking as a soft push I don't know) and his mentioning of your hesitancy (like the lol phrases, he mentioned this in the obs qt) when you are scumread as scum. There is some parallel he's trying to make there but I don't think it's enough for a hard push.

TBF, Onegu does look worse when I meta him...but since you reappeared, I am interested in his thoughts based on what criteria he HAS used as town, take the parallels to this game, and I think that might clear things up a bit.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#745
On May 12 2015 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 00:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.

In conclusion we lynch BH.

That seems retarded.

##Vote: Palmar

The conclusion or the path to the conclusion? Because I don't know about his path, but I'm not offended by the conclusion much.

path. why would mafia pardon a townie? It's stupid. I understand there could be tactical reasons to do it, but I doubt there would be much of a reason to blow it now. I am actually, 100% always in favor of lynching BH.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 11 2015 21:23 GMT
#746
21/60

At Rasputin - usage of emoticons on his end is probably not the best way to go about it either, he didn't use them either in Hammertime.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:25 GMT
#747
##vote: onegu
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 11 2015 21:25 GMT
#748
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
Can you prove the bolded?
Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#749
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
Can you prove the bolded?

easily
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#750
On May 12 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
Can you prove the bolded?
Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?

way to ninja me
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#751
On May 12 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit...

really?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote:
On May 10 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:
17. Sui / Following

above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER

The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.

THE JUDGMENT

FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.

In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.

THE IMAGE

Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.

In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.

THE LINES

°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.

There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.

°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.

Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.

°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.

This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family.



I have... No... Idea... What... IS.... Going... On...

ok?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!

......REALLY? this is what I was talking about

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 14:23 Onegu wrote:
Im going to waste posts on a N0 where we arent going to lynch anyone anyway. So suck it. And +1 to Bats. ^ Im drinking...

come on.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...

@rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game

@GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact.

@yamato did you roll scum again?

@bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice.

@LS ignoring me

@everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!!




such an in depth post of analysis here from onegu... not.
iioa

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:20 Onegu wrote:
Yup Id still sheep him, Someone smart once said learning to sheep is a very good mafia skill. Dont agree with him on BH but yeah id sheep him still


Read that bolded.
I didn't want to out this for fear of helping mafia find him but onegu is 100% the traitor

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#752
Well then, please go ahead and do so?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#753
Onegu has actually literally claimed Traitor
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#754
On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?

youre voting me, no.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#755
Are you denying it?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:29 GMT
#756
Same as last game... you're pressured, or someone pops in you want to berate/misrepresent... and then when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen poof you're gone
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 11 2015 21:30 GMT
#757
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 11 2015 21:33 GMT
#758
23/60

-_- thanks for your opinion? i feel like i'm beating my head against a brick wall, though, because you don't seem to be getting what i'm actually saying

ABSOLUTELY NONE of the things in those quotes that he BELIEVES makes me scum, because the townie way to approach reading someone is to believe your way of reading them is correct if you were right on their alignment and see it again, are mentioned here

i'm not sure how to make this any clearer -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:36 GMT
#759
On April 20 2015 00:34 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 00:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:
On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE

Do you have any reads?

No, I don't have any reads yet.
TheBloodyDwarf, for future reference, there's only really one good answer to that question ("do you have any reads"). You always have to have reads. However, it's assumed that the strength of the read is related to the length of the game. At this point, reads right now aren't very strong at all, the importance of making reads now is to use them as a talking point later.

For example, look at my play this game.
  • I have one of the longer filters in this game so far (shorter than scott31337's filter), but most of these posts were non-conclusive reads or (bad) jokes
  • I made an extremely long post including a guide on scumhunting
  • I provided reads on most players in the game
  • Anything else that I did that you feel is important

What do each of these three things suggest about my alignment? Often, it depends on how I did these things, not just what I did. For example, to use my reads on players to determine my alignment, you should examine my reads themselves and figure out what that says about me. If you're still stuck, I'll put a possible answer in spoiler below.
+ Show Spoiler [my example] +
The first point doesn't suggest anything of its own. Long filter isn't really alignment indicative, especially this early in the game. However, you can see that I have been attempting (only somewhat successfully) to further the discussion in this game, which is slightly towny.

My long post isn't alignment indicative. I wrote half of it after knowing my alignment, but I was planning on doing it before, anyway. Perhaps a very good tone reader could read me based on my post, but even that is doubtful.

I can't judge my own reads. Obviously I agree with them, but Damdred seems to disagree and says that they make me scummy. This is widely open to interpretation.

The Shining commented on my missing one of his jokes, and said that this suggested meant I was a scum lean. This is an example of something that isn't normally important, but can be used to try and make a read.

And the end result is up to how much you weigh your answers to all of these different points. Which again, is based on what you feel is important and what isn't. The Shining and Damdred both conclude that I am scummy, to some degree.

... you post...early on in the game, unlike this one
On April 20 2015 01:08 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote: trfel

i vote you 34 minutes later

On April 20 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of truffle ignoring me ls
Okay, Damdred. Now that LightningStrike has answered, what is your answer?

And Bill Murray, could you please provide a reason for your vote?

you come in with a whiny toned question exactly like you're doing here:

On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?


On May 12 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?


Which fits in with the exact way you just popped up multiple times in this thread. You're inactive, get pressured, increase your activity.

I pop into the thread, and bam, you literally ninja me before I can even finish reading and responding to things
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 11 2015 21:36 GMT
#760
On May 12 2015 05:05 Blazinghand wrote:
hey Palmar should I save Marv?

Yes

I don't have any particular reason to think he's mafia and I have at least one reason to think he might be town.
Computer says mafia
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