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/in to play Looks like there are a bunch of coaches already but I can switch to coaching if need be | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote: auto lynch geript for the win. That's you scumbag  | ||
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On January 13 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote: that's like saying "for my next soccer game, i'm going to try something different. sitting in the middle of the park and seeing how it goes" yeah great plan batman. Awe come on Marv. I dare you to join and try the same plan. It'll be fun to see who can do better while remaining at 5 posts per 24 hours, to see which of us has better reads that way AND to see if one of us doesn't have the balls to keep it throughout the game. I mean, surely you can't have a young upstart like me questioning your manhood right? | ||
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On January 13 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: it's like being challenged to a shit-eating competition by a penguin my masculinity doesn't feel very on the line :p Well sure, but that penguin sure is dressed pretty spiffy and is so fresh and so cleanclean. Perhaps you should accept the challenge. Maybe I'll even give you the required handicap (you know since I'm clearly the better player) by using a post per day for naughty nurse pictures. | ||
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See Marv... all your glowing fans want you to participate and try the 5 posts per 24 hours limit. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Naughty doctor pictures would probably be more up his alley. Oh plz Artanis. After the last naught nurse pictures, he couldn't stand making more than 1 post in 2 hours. He was quite busy for that time frame. Besides, doctor's just check your junk; nurses provide all that loving care. Besides... no one has a fetish for Doctors unless they're moneygrubbing whores. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nurses tend to be the submissive type though. I believe Marv prefers a more dominating type. Doctors would definitely be more appropriate. You need to hang around more Nurses then. Nurses are definitely not submissive. | ||
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On January 14 2015 04:44 Half the Sky wrote: Double-checked the list again, as of the latest post here: We have 4/4 coaches, but no issues having more. 6/7 beginner slots filled; need one more. 6/6 veteran slots filled, assuming LoneMeow stays. Actually, I think there are more than enough beginners in the game. I think it should be an open slot that's available but meh. | ||
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/movingagain ##vote:Blazinghands | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:18 rsoultin wrote: np <3 why do a self-imposed posting limit, geript? After doing my review, it struck me how interesting it could be to focus on posting the most content and least fluff. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:35 rsoultin wrote: hmm...if all you're doing is passively evaluating everyone else, I could see that working, but wouldn't it be hard to ask questions/pressure/push a lynch if you only have 10 posts in a 48hr period? Sure. But that's the trick right. | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think BH would rig his game with spinach. How do you know this? You were supposed to ask about the koalas.... I am very disappointed in you. | ||
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On January 17 2015 04:21 Half the Sky wrote: Could you (or someone) explain to me the association between BH, broccoli, and koalas? Well koalas eat shoots and leaves. But seeing as how there's no vigilante and people haven't left mysteriously, we can be assured that there are no koalas playing. If you've ever seen BH, you know the connection between BH and broccoli. I mean, you've seen his hair right? | ||
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Well if he hasn't sent you nude pics of himself yet, then why are we talking? You think I'd share that pot of gold? What do you think I'm crazy or something? | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote: ##Vote geript On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?page=8#150 + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote: Also we seem to lacking a female atm and I would like to speak to her now  And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. Reread Trfel + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games. Thus, BS meter. She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: I'm not scum and I just found the conversation between you and GB a little bit odd but it because I never played with both of you together in a single game (first time playing with you DP), I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote: WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game! I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it. Sidenote: On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote: Scum: JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum. I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote: I explained it already. I feel that geript is purposefully handicapping himself. Yes, his decision to use 10 posts per day was made before the game began, therefore before he knew his alignment. That doesn't matter though, since if he really is going to handicap himself, he deserves to get lynched for it. If he either stops using this self-imposed restriction or proves that he can play successfully using it, great for him. I generally try to be careful with calling people scum, that is true. But voting someone and calling them scum are very different things. Votes can be done in jest or for a wide variety of reasons, surely I don't need to provide examples for you. This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action. Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote: I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking? Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Null: Breshke Damdred Glowingbear LoneMeow TheWarWaffle CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel Questions I need answers to: 1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel? 2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why? 3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? 4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read. 5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler + 6. @Shining. Where you at boo? 7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why? #1 | ||
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Last and most important point: you can call me Geript, getmoript, gayripped, supercoolasdudewiththebigdick. Under no circumstances am I to be called gereipt. | ||
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Newbies. Stop using meta. Seriously stop. 1 game, 3 games, 5 games. That's not enough to really get a good meta read on someone. I know it feels cool and sounds cool. But to appropriately use meta there are numerous factors in each game that you actually need to account for in order to generate a good meta read on someone. Things like how much pressure a player is under, experience level, amount of vet influence, scum activity level, player ability to be active, etc. There's too many things to factor in. Stop. Play at least 20 games before you start using meta. It looks all nice and shiny, but coming from someone who uses definitely overuses meta to my own detriment, stop. Unless you're interested in reading a minimum of 5 games of a player (both the thread AND the player's filter) and analyze how it relates to this game, then don't waste my time. If you have a point from another game that you've played in that you feel is relevant to this game, by all means then bring up that point as best you can in this game. But stop trying to meta players as it will only hurt you. | ||
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GlowingBear has the following townreads: Trfel, DP, Rsoultin (all three during drunk phase), Damdred, and Warwaffle. Of these, the only one that's been reasonably explained is the WarWaffle read here + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. On January 18 2015 06:00 GlowingBear wrote: He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting. I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd. And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. JJB you need to explain your thought process for the scumread on Cool here. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote: I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. I don't hate point 1 here in that saying the game is exciting, proposing something and leaving is odd. That said, the analysis in #2 is actually quite bad. If you look at the post from a "This game looks fun. Let's try X new strategy." The post actually makes more sense. Especially coming from a someone who's coached newb, he should understand and know that general mafia meta on a number of sites is pretty widespread. In some places, no lynching is (idiotically) considered correct strategy for D1. Also, he scums JJB for entering a new thought into the thread instead of following current discussion which any vet should know isn't alignment indicative and especially non-alignment indicative on D1. GB looks to be a pretty good lynch. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: Thres really not much to go on in his filter, just a weird pressure question to JarJar and then dropping all pressure a moment later. Really shallow seemed a bit fake, i'm not making associative reads currently before a flip. But JarJar answered him and cool didn't follow up with him at all just picked another random post that he liked and dropped it immediately. I think tlcool is the scum here ##Vote TL Cool Name I really like this read. It's clearly wrong, but I like it. That said, me liking Damdred for being town generally means he's mafia. That said, I also liked Damdred's followup on Cool later on. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote: If I had to sum it up in one word: Trfel-centric. His filter appears to be a light push on Trfel for Trfel's entrance post, town-reading him, convincing others to, and pressuring anyone who doesn't. I can post quotes as evidence, but as he has a 1-page filter it's pretty self-evident right now. (Oh, I forgot to mention trolling GB. Probably because that is just fluff anyway xP) Also, JarJar, I know you said after the game, but your posts just now established your innocence enough for me to not want to lynch you Day 1, so I think you're doing better than you realize.  We can talk more after the game.@DP...do you have any reads on anything/anyone else? You asked me for mine...quid pro quo bro. Mental Note for later + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. On January 18 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: I disagree for now, I need to see his posting a bit more. His postings are vastly different from the previous games. I'll have to relook at your read to see where I am on it. I removed the irrelevant bits of Damdred's first post. That said, one thing that struck me as rather odd about Damdred is that he's actively noticing that Trfel appears to be playing differently from previous games (where as far as I know Trfel has only played town), but is giving Trfel a town read despite that. It really bugs me. General mafia logic tends to dictate that playing differently equals a change in alignment. It's even more odd that Damdred wants more discussion about my post, but hasn't really evaluated his read with my read. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:27 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure exactly that you are paying attention Jarjar, or actually are reading. And that's a problem. I say easy game this is scum team x. Reaction test here are my reads. I explain LS read and you ask why I flip flopped on it O_o. This is actually my hesitation on JJB specifically. I'm not sure he's reading critically, paying attention or thinking. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. I'm going to comment on this post specifically more later. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:56 rsoultin wrote: Interesting. I don't dislike your play so far...but that response is interesting. Can anyone else point out why it raises concerns? What's your thought process here? It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 05:14 TheWarWaffle wrote: Don't worry about my phone.... It's not like you don't post more than enough for both of us anyway... I actually really like this post. It's quite jovial and it's not a response I'd in any way expect from a newbie mafia. I remember having a good reason to read WW as town otherwise, but it's a good reason to not lynch him D1. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Holy shit post. A few things in specific that I want to draw out: On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. Coming from a reasonably logical player, follow the logic here: 1. GB has provided a number of overall reads 2. GB has given no reasons for those reads 3. GB's Breshke post is a direct continuation of #2 4. GB is not a good D1 lynch WTF????? Point 1 does not lead to Point 4 in any sort of way or means. Points 2 and 3 tend to lead to the exact opposite of Point 4. On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Second, I find the underlined to be exceptionally odd. DP picks up on something that Trfel picked up on; Trfel had the exact same feeling about it. Yet DP's alignment is completely null. Maybe I'm overestimating Trfel's ability here. The normal reaction to someone picking up on the exact same thing you are and feeling the exact same way you are about it 99% of the time leads to a same alignment read. For example, X player is reading the game the exact same way I am. I am town. Therefore X player is likely to be town. is pretty standard and generally quite good reasoning for reading a player. Yet, Trfel's path leads him to try and find completely different reasons for reading DP. That's really weird. All that said, one shining star in this post is Trfel's approach to rsoultin and JJB. I actually really like it. I still think that Trfel has a decent chance of flipping mafia, but I don't think I want to lynch him on D1 for this. This isn't an approach that I think would be natural for mafia to make even for a player who I think is decent like Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, damdred looks town. I don't think he would be this inquisitive against Trfel. I'm going to look into this more specifically in my next post, but one of the things that struck me as I read this is that I don't think that Damdred has actually posted much of anything I would consider terribly alignment indicative. His previous "suspicion" of Damdred comes literally alongside the coolTLname push. I don't see why that specifically would affect his read on Damdred. Looking back from 14-18, I can maybe see why GB gets that read, but it still looks rather easy. The "inquisitive against Trfel" line is complete bullshit though and is an awful reason to townread Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:54 TheWarWaffle wrote: For my top 3 of mafia: GlowingBear, Trfel, and possibly one of the lurkers. I think that the parallels between both GB and Trfel's beginning posts (both post something considered controversial by others; both posts are later deemed unsatisfactory for either alignment; both can bow rest easy that they were both in the spotlight early, something that Mafia almost certainly wan to avoid... But if done right, can cement 2 mafia members as town for the rest of the game... Unless they can prove otherwise, of course. Not enough information: Breshke, LoneMeow, and The Shining have not posted enough to determine alignment as of my current read-through. Anyone who suggests otherwise is denying that they are policy lynches... Something not recommended for day 1. Town leaning: rsoultin, jarjarbinks, geript, DarthPunk, and Damdred. These people have either asked questions that needed to be asked, acted similarly to other games where they were town, or have otherwise contributed to the discussion without posting a dead-end theory. Special: LightningStrike. No idea. Not even going to bother. I'm going to wait on a more clear read on WW until I get a more full set of data to read him from. I like his reads, but I don't really in any way understand his viewpoint. There's no "ah ha" moment that I had when reading him from the newbie game. I don't want to lynch him on D1, but I'm less sure of that considering how disjointed his reads on Trfel and GB are from my perception of the thread. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. I don't like that Trfel's calling himself and GB essentially towny here, but I do like that he's picking up on a similar thing that I was with WW. Maybe I've just been a bit confirmation biased about Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote: I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it. I find it really hard to not scream SCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIP. 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I understand what you're saying here (regarding Damdred initial 3 scumreads) but please dear god don't post a phrase like "especially since on of [scum member] hadn't posted yet." + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote: Guys since the other game just ended + Show Spoiler + In a town lost when I the vig T_T Okay first off he been extremely lurky this game and doesn't seem interested in looking for scum plus when he is town he usually try to lead the town and he not which is a trait he has scum as seen in both of these games when he was scum Scum Game 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=breshke Scum Game 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Breshke Now aside from in real life stuff going on for him, the posts he made are quite similar to how he posted in both these games that I linked to and these were his only scum games I played with him being scum I going to have say he got to be scum and funny enough he rolled 3 times a row with me being in the same game! ##Vote: Breshke Eager Beaver award. This guy shouldn't be lynched. This guy just feels too excited to get this idea out and I don't really seeing that coming from mafia. Still though. Bad puppy, no meta for you. Go pee outside. If we lynch Breshke, it will be because there's nothing to read him off of. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote: Damn, Shining, lol. You're not my lynch for today. I don't know how much I actually believe in scum slips, though I have seen ritoky commit one, but this is an angle I hadn't thought of with JarJar. You're right that only scum would know if doc/cop was the setup. :/ Say what? Why do you think Shining is town (or in the least not worthy of being lynched) for that post? Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Damdred TheWarWaffle Trfel Null: Breshke LoneMeow CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel GlowingBear Things that need to be done: 1. @GB. Stubstaniate and explain your shit. All of it. Now. 2. @JJB. 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On January 18 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: Shining is in town pile, I feel like I missed questions directed at me so i'm going to look back and find some of them when I can and answer them. Game looks kinda difficult to find scum right now. I've read his posts three time now. I'm not seeing it. Mind sharing with the class. I don't really remember every thinking Shining was a good lynch in the newbie game, but I'm not seeing that here. | ||
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On January 18 2015 12:49 Damdred wrote: JarJar after looking at his filter. Tr might be a good lynch after thinking more I really hate those long posts that are not really hard stances and no scum reads. What do you think of the point of Trfel's approach towards JJB/rsoultin? There was that and another point that made me think he might not be a good lynch for D1. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote: Sorry for being inactive liek all of this phase shouldnt happen again TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. TOWN LEAN DP : Good posts early on trefel and LS. Also i feel its towny that he gives zero fucks about peoples opinions even though it probaly not the mindset to have. Assume he could do this as either alignment though but still wouldn't lynch today. Most of everyone is null or i can remember what they have done mostly because im fairly disconnected from the game because catching up isn't the same as being here when stuff happens. @GB Do you have any scumreads? Pushing lurkers is good and all because people need to post so we can find scum but I expect more. Also I had rsoultin as scum early but more recent posts seem to be more inquisitive and useful instead of asking dead end questions. This post strikes me as really towny. There's something both very wrong (incorrect) and new towny to me in the logic behind the Trfel read. Like I don't like him calling Trfel town for that, but it really made me stop and scratch my head and think about it for a bit. A lot like WW's read on HtS I think last game. On January 18 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: Regarding Shining, it was mostly just because he mentioned the point on JJB possibly knowing the setup this game (which only scum could) and that's a point I hadn't noticed before. I also didn't see anything in his analysis that jumped out at me as god-awful (something I try not to scumread people for anyway after Carol and the shitfest with SL and GB and all their present chatter). Nothing scummy on Damdred from that post. It was a half-trap that I realized halfway in wasn't a good trap lol cause we can still see players' filters. (Eden's filter was linked to Trfel's on page 1.) Damdred I'm reserving judgment on presently, if you're curious. Part of it is how little I'm generally agreeing with him, and part of it is his "reaction test" I didn't think was very good, personally. But he wouldn't be the first townie I disagreed with. I kinda glossed out of the post by that point. It's an interesting thing to pick up on, but that actually makes me feel like Shining is more likely to be mafia because of that. In my experience, mafia are more likely to jump on things like that and keep the "mafia know the setup" in the forefronts of their mind because they know the setup and just sort of think that town will be all up in arms about stupid shit like that. So picking on lynchbait for bad reasons doesn't really get me all hard. That said, I remember him being a bit more nitpicky/perceptive from the newbie game. So I'm not sure it actually means anything. @Damdred. On the JJB post I highlighted. Yes/No answers only please. Do you find that post odd at all? | ||
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I've explained my LS read; it's not irreversible, but I've found I generally real newbies quite well. I do agree that a bunch of people have been reading LS town for poor reasons, but I'm not quite sure if that's because he's mafia or if everyone's too pussyfoot to disagree with me. Can we talk about JJB while we're both around though? | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:21 DarthPunk wrote: It's a newbie game in which all the newbies are trying to use meta. Kinda cute actually. What do you think about: The case Rsultin just posted. Breshkes post about Jar Jar Damdred making shitty excuses about being too lazy to read a 2 page filter. Lightning not actually doing anything aside from talking meta. Rsoultin case, I've only skimmed it but what I saw of it made me go "meh" I don't remember Breshke's post on JJB off the top of my head. Don't ask me about damdred. I've only correctly read him twice as town. Once he was town and once he was mafia. I always find it weird. It's odd that he hadn't read your filter but I don't actually find it that odd in general. I haven't really read your filter nor do I ever intend to this game unless there's something you said that I want to think about. On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:23 DarthPunk wrote: IM assuming its the do not lynch cause you wrote that. On Trfel, I don't want to lynch him today. Like there's highs and lows in his filter for me. I think it's like 35-50% mafia flip, but there are lots of things that kinda steer me away from him or in the least make me think he could be town. | ||
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On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. This is the thing that really bugged me about JJB, more than alot of the other little stuff that's been brought up. I'm not seeing how a towny could scum somebody for "leaving a [townie] lynchwagon so fast." Like to me, what Cool said wasn't cool and was pretty sarcastic and mean. I'm not sure if he meant any of it honestly. It's not OMGUS, it's like "Oh you should be scumreading but you left it so fast when you should be scumreading me." It's basically saying Cool is mafia for unvoting JJB, but that doesn't make any sort of sense unless JJB actually is mafia. | ||
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On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote: Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote: I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy DP were you talking about this post? It doesn't really resonate with me but I can understand how a towny coudl think this way. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote: Eh. That seems like a stretch in the way that you are assuming JJB can be rational to a degree far beyond that which he has displayed being capable of in the thread. If you know what I mean. It does and it doesn't for me. Like early on as scum I've played that card; more importantly, I know that Slam has made a similar argument (as mafia) in video mafia. I whole heartedly agree that this guy is Slam-light, same great taste but half the calories. It's just that I can't quite get a fix on how to read him as I do Slam (still a perfect Slam read btw, and Marv for gloatsies). | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:43 rsoultin wrote: Devil's advocate time. Or maybe just protective big sister time. He was parroting Damdred there. Whether you think the parroting is scummy or not is up to you, but it's a little obvious where he got that from. Just saying: Ain't no place for pullups in this game missy. You shit your pants you're one one that has to sit in it until your parents come pick you up. | ||
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On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote: Sorry for being inactive liek all of this phase shouldnt happen again TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. TOWN LEAN DP : Good posts early on trefel and LS. Also i feel its towny that he gives zero fucks about peoples opinions even though it probaly not the mindset to have. Assume he could do this as either alignment though but still wouldn't lynch today. Most of everyone is null or i can remember what they have done mostly because im fairly disconnected from the game because catching up isn't the same as being here when stuff happens. @GB Do you have any scumreads? Pushing lurkers is good and all because people need to post so we can find scum but I expect more. Also I had rsoultin as scum early but more recent posts seem to be more inquisitive and useful instead of asking dead end questions. This was the post I really like Breshke being town for. It's like newb town heaven in my experience. I think I've only been wrong once when I've called someone newb town (Koshi in nuclear iirc). The reasons for the Trfel read feel exceptionally towny to me and I don't mind the rest of it. Was tehre something specific about Breshke you were thinking about or wanted to talk about? | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:54 rsoultin wrote: I can almost 90% guarantee that if y'all pull a dumbass move as vets and vote my noob brother for playing bad...he will flip town and you will be eating crow. First, he's playing better than he did last game, which you should know, geript. And secondly, I have actually known this kid since he was in diapers. Forgive me if I believe I can read him better than you.  If he were slam or marv, I'd likely defer to your judgment.Mr. Please take your panties and unwad them. It's a joke. It's clearly meant as a joke. I'm sorry if it came across is any means other than a sarcastic quip. As to you reading him better than me, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. As for playing better than last game, idk about that. That said, I still want you to tell me what you know about him as a person. Just whatever random factoids that you think of when you think of your lil bro. | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:07 rsoultin wrote: If you're talking about no: I AM TOWN I AM TOWN this game...lol that was cause I was mocking HTS in my first post last game. Ongoing joke I don't find it odd that you'd notice that or think that was important, but yeah. A joke + he's not stupid. Clearly it didn't prevent him from being mislynched last game, dead JarJar vid and all xP Well you also weren't alive on D3 remember. Plus, I don't think JJB was seriously considered for a lynch on any day except D3. Also, I thought Shining got lynched on D3. It was between 2 towns that the lynch never should have been close to regardless. | ||
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I can't really decide if it's yawn bad or yawn mafia. I don't think I want to lynch him today anyways. (Sorry Dp, this was in a tab and I forgot about it.) | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:12 DarthPunk wrote: The 'analysis' of the Geript vote was incredibly forced. Like it wasn't bad it was trying to FIND things that could be reasonably perceived as mafia. the rest of the case came across that way also. I know. I just can't decide if that's actually be or mafia. Like I think your bar is too high for people and maybe mine is too low. I just can't decide if it feels like honest bullshit or not. Let's look at her filter overall though, that'll give us a better look. | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:14 DarthPunk wrote: I don't remember anything about this person. 4 posts give or take. none of which have been good. called JJB scummy for not seeing a Doc/Cop option presuming that he woudln't think there's one if he's mafia (as mafia know the game setup). It's a really weird argument to me because that's something I had completely forgotten about and it's not something that town naturally think of. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote: I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum. That's a really weird statement. On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote: I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful. | ||
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tldr version. Lots of questions. Lots of reads. 0 reasons. Which for someone who's played a decent amount and looks like he's a newbie is pretty telling imo. Like there's not a single post that I can go "OOH that's a good point." to. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:15 KelsierSC wrote: Gb made a great point about marv and it seemed like he believed what he said so yeh gb can be in my club This was actually the post that I townread GB (and Kelsier) for in Imperial. The only thing that even closes resembles something that I feel similar about in GB's filter is his post about Hapa coaching that he got warned for. | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:38 rsoultin wrote: If all you're reading is the first part of my case, then I'd have to agree with you that it isn't strong. My gut feel on him from our first exchange was his posts were out-of-character. I'm not talking about a metaread here; I'm talking about the personality that I've come to associate with him. Trying to put that into words is hard. Please actually take the time to open the spoiler with his giant novel reads post and re-read it. I made comments directly into that post. Whether you agree with me or not, that is the main thrust of my case. No, other than the nul, null, null, type of stuff which is odd, I don't actually like your analysis at all there. I saw that stuff and that's a bit odd imo from Trfel, but I think my reasons on that same post are significantly better than yours. And I found reasons to both scumread and townread him from that post. | ||
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LoneMeow TheShining Jarjarbinks Trfel GlowingBear I don't think I want to lynch Trfel today though. IDK, I'm just not sold on it yet. Rsoultin and thinking of JJB as slam-lite have me thinking I might not actually want to lynch JJB either. Shining, LM, GB just don't really feel like a mafia team to me though so I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 mafia in the people I'm townreading/don't want to lynch. Lurker Lynch is definitely LM. I think GB is a good lynch. I'm actually kinda convincing myself into a Shining lynch though. He's essentially a lurker with an odd post I don't find terribly towny with weird reasoning on JJB. He's also someone that's kinda been brought up in passing here or there but people overall seem less interested in scumreading him than LM who I think has been roughly equivalent for most of the game. Anywho, I'll be around for a bit on my phone but am likely to head to bed soon as it's almost 3am. DP leave me notes/thoughts if you have anything specific you want to talk/think about. GB=Shining>LM for me right now. | ||
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On January 18 2015 11:57 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Holy shit post. A few things in specific that I want to draw out: Coming from a reasonably logical player, follow the logic here: 1. GB has provided a number of overall reads 2. GB has given no reasons for those reads 3. GB's Breshke post is a direct continuation of #2 4. GB is not a good D1 lynch WTF????? Point 1 does not lead to Point 4 in any sort of way or means. Points 2 and 3 tend to lead to the exact opposite of Point 4. Second, I find the underlined to be exceptionally odd. DP picks up on something that Trfel picked up on; Trfel had the exact same feeling about it. Yet DP's alignment is completely null. Maybe I'm overestimating Trfel's ability here. The normal reaction to someone picking up on the exact same thing you are and feeling the exact same way you are about it 99% of the time leads to a same alignment read. For example, is pretty standard and generally quite good reasoning for reading a player. Yet, Trfel's path leads him to try and find completely different reasons for reading DP. That's really weird. All that said, one shining star in this post is Trfel's approach to rsoultin and JJB. I actually really like it. I still think that Trfel has a decent chance of flipping mafia, but I don't think I want to lynch him on D1 for this. This isn't an approach that I think would be natural for mafia to make even for a player who I think is decent like Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. I don't like that Trfel's calling himself and GB essentially towny here, but I do like that he's picking up on a similar thing that I was with WW. Maybe I've just been a bit confirmation biased about Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote: I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it. I find it really hard to not scream SCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIP. Please try to keep your post in context. I understand what you're saying here (regarding Damdred initial 3 scumreads) but please dear god don't post a phrase like "especially since on of [scum member] hadn't posted yet." Beside the Rsoultin/JJB idea, which I like and feels towny, He picks up on something that I did about WW and he also correctly talks about a post in correct context. The last is the by far the weakest point. But he's obviously aware, following along, thinking logically. 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Describe Damdred, Rsoultin and Trfel with 1 color and 1 animal. e.g. Damdred [color] [animal] | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:23 DarthPunk wrote: I fucking HATE noobs using meta. HATE IT. I wrote a post about it. Did you see it? It was full of rage and anger, I just couldn't allow my inner DP out though | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:24 jarjarbinks wrote: like based on what I know of them as a person? Just describe them as 1 color and 1 animal | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:30 DarthPunk wrote: Honestly what are the coaches doing nowdays? The amount of meta arguments in this game is Literally. Blowing. My. Mind. I think people aren't using coaches as much as I've seen in the past. I know they're criminally underused in general. I also think that some coaches probably should be coaching. I'm honestly not sure I should be coaching; I'm not sure I'm good enough. | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:31 jarjarbinks wrote: Sure Damdred: a brown gecko Rsoultin: A red owl Trfel: A tan chihuahua Why is Damdred a brown gecko? | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:37 jarjarbinks wrote: How long have you guys played this game?! Looks like 2 years | ||
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For lack of reasons that you aren't not a good lynch. And stuffs. Lots of stuffs. | ||
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The PoE hasn't really changed. LM, GB, JJB, Trfel and Shining are all decent lynches imo. If expect to see someone add good reasons if the want to lynch WW, Breshke or Trfel. I feel a lot like DP. There's not a really strong leader in the pack for me. That said, GB showing he has no intention of posting or thinking reasonably earns my vote. LM I'm kinda unsure what to do with because he feels so disjoint, but I kinda like the reasons for the Breshke read but... Idk it's such an easy thing to push. | ||
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On January 19 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote: Not thinking reasonably you say? After all the thoughts I've put in this thread and after what I've just brought from damdred? Uh huh. So you've brought 1 thought that I think is wrong to the thread. Do you want me to bury the squirrel and scratch your head. I've been through your filter multiple times. There's not one good thought in it. | ||
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People. Reasons. I'm sure there's no possible way you could ever read my 8 page filter. Sorry for making the game so hard to read. | ||
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On January 19 2015 04:57 rsoultin wrote: So...you townread him a bunch of times then suddenly decided he was boring. And maybe worth lynching. But didn't bother to mention that reason until questioned. Damdred, my BS meter. It is going off again. Geript, please answer where you actually stand on Trfel. Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. I talked with DP and Damdred about it. i think with you about it too. Like there are things that make me think he'll flip mafia in his filter. There are also things that make me think he'll flip town in his filter. I don't think he's a bad lynch per se, I'm just personally not interested in lynching him because I think there are higher percentage flips. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:03 jarjarbinks wrote: OK read up and stuff. Questions: Geript: does GB usually contribute better than in this game? His filter isn't as high quality as yours but he definitely appears to be scumhunting IMO. Damdred: Was the vote for GB reactionary? Or was it really because he was "boring"? Is boring enough to lynch him? Have you read DP's filter yet? He's already given the reaction you claimed to be looking for. Rsoultin: What are your thoughts on LM now that he's posted some more? Let me know if you have questions for me. I'll probably be on here for about 30 more minutes looking for things. Usually someone brings up something interesting that I've missed about GB that I can read him town for. No one's really brought up anything that makes me think he'll flip town. There's nothing that I've found that makes me think he's town. Usually I find his contributions are a bit better or in the least more interesting/correct. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:09 rsoultin wrote: ^ What makes me think JJB is town. Dude, please explain your mislynches response when Breshke asked if scum couldn't try hard if they were competitive, too? Pin in LM. Sometimes I will not state my thoughts aloud if I think that will cause someone to play differently than they otherwise would, especially when I'm still trying to get reads on certain players. Are you not actually reading the thread at all? | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:37 DarthPunk wrote: What an ungodly hour to wake up for a lynch. What's the go here geript? I would prefer to lynch damdred over Glowingbear. I just really don't know about Damdred. I just can't read him well but I kinda think he's town. Like GB didn't bring up any of the points I've thought about lynching Damdred for; I don't hate his "read changes on me" argument, but it's pretty weak because GB's play has been quite bad. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:44 rsoultin wrote: Geript is dodging my queeeessstions to buddy up with DP. Hi geript. If you want to convince me you're town (and maybe you don't, but I don't know how wise a move that is) you probably shouldn't do that. ^^ If you can't read 2 of my posts and know that I'm town, then there's really nothing I could ever say that would change that. I'm buddying up to DP because he's the only good player who I'm sure is town and can get an honest opinion on. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote: I can post 2 good posts as scum, too. Probably not as well as veterans can, but I can. I can also talk my way out of a mislynch as scum. You've shown a proclivity to ignore/not fully read wall posts yet expect people to read yours and townread you for them. I'm asking you why you keep scumreading Trfel hard, then saying he could be town, yet keeping him in both your good lynch and don't lynch piles. He is the only one you are doing that with. Saying he could be scum or town = null to me. At the very least, if you have such big reservations, why is he in your 5-man lynch pile? It's not adding up and you're refusing to clarify. You're literally either being dense or mafia. I've covered why Trfel is in my group of good lynches multiple times now. There's literally only 1 person who I would never lynch in this game and that's DP. I maybe could write a good case on him... Maybe. There's not a single other player in this game who I don't have reasons to find as being mafia. Overall, I take the good and the bad I have on a player and weigh them. If you don't like that, then I have no qualms about ramrodding a lynch in either your or JJB's direction just out of spite. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that makes sense I guess GB. Like it's not particularly convincing but It's not incorrect either. yah. | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town. Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town. Jjb is mafia I think Why do you think DP is obvious town? Like I've played a billion games with DP and without that I'd probably be all up in his butt for his LS read, his townread on me, not really wanting to lynch GB. | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: Okay, don't explain why he's the special pool straddler; that's fine. Spite voting is so townie So am I to understand that your purpose for buddying up to DP has nothing to do with the fact that before you started he said your opinion was the only opinion he gave a flying fuck about? I have no clue why you're distracting me from doing something useful here. I've played with DP a bunch. I was a major reason why he was the last man standing in a VS game where I correctly read Rayn as town, I pushed mafia all D1 and acceded from my own spectacular case on one mafia to an ok case on another mafia while retracting a previous townread on DP. He knows I'm a good player. I know he's a good player; I've seen him hold together good lynches while numerous bad lynches are sprouting up left and right. Damdred's an up and comer. The two of us are quite literally the only "names" in this game. Like BH isn't even really a "name" anymore because he hosts too much and is more interested in doing silly stuff than playing actual mafia. Welcome to the world outside of the kiddy pool. If you want to be recognized as a good player, you need to prove it. | ||
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##vote WarWaffle I'd feel really bad if this guy got mislynched 2 games in a row, but actually open his filter and read it here. There are a few things that really stick out to me. None of his reads change. In my notes, I've also noted that none of his reads stick out from general thread sentiment either. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:54 TheWarWaffle wrote: For my top 3 of mafia: GlowingBear, Trfel, and possibly one of the lurkers. I think that the parallels between both GB and Trfel's beginning posts (both post something considered controversial by others; both posts are later deemed unsatisfactory for either alignment; both can bow rest easy that they were both in the spotlight early, something that Mafia almost certainly wan to avoid... But if done right, can cement 2 mafia members as town for the rest of the game... Unless they can prove otherwise, of course. Not enough information: Breshke, LoneMeow, and The Shining have not posted enough to determine alignment as of my current read-through. Anyone who suggests otherwise is denying that they are policy lynches... Something not recommended for day 1. Town leaning: rsoultin, jarjarbinks, geript, DarthPunk, and Damdred. These people have either asked questions that needed to be asked, acted similarly to other games where they were town, or have otherwise contributed to the discussion without posting a dead-end theory. Special: LightningStrike. No idea. Not even going to bother. This post stuck out to me because of the GB/Trfel read. It's a summary read; he's not actually giving his own opinion but rather just summarizing what he think of what the thread says. That suggests insecurity to me especially has he's shown he's quite capable of making good obvservastions himself. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote: Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc. GlowingBear: First posts of the game are completely worthless. No reason to post most of them. He accuses Trfel of making bad posts repeatedly, and then through one aggressive comment attacking rsoultin's accusation, GB suddenly finds Trfel the towniest of town. Most of GB's posts promote discussion and point fingers without making any substantial claims. Most of my suspicion of GB comes from a lack of reasoning for his actions; a disconnect between why he posts what he did. If that does not explain what is wrong with his posts then I doubt I can quantify it.He is my number 2 mafia suspect as of now. Note that both Trfel and GlowingBear push accusations towards either inactive or lurking players, and just as quickly take them back. I believe that through my evidence and the evidence provided by others such as rsoultin and geript, Trfel is the best lynch candidate at this time, though GlowingBear is a close second. I am unsure as to who the final mafia is at this moment. ##Vote: Trfel Again nothing changes. Like he's saying that there's good evidence from others, but doesn't actually bring any of that up. If he really thinks that he's not supporting his opinion at all. Additionally, WW seems to read people as town based on promoting discussion or adding to discussion. I'd make a longer case but gogogogogogogo | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:53 Damdred wrote: Geript vote jarjar to save GB then Or you could help me lynch WW | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote: I am on mafia I think Geript You might be, but there's a much better chance I'm on mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2015 07:00 GlowingBear wrote: WHAT MORE DID YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS GUY IS TOWN FFS thank you for yet another unexplained useless read | ||
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On January 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: Medic protect jarjar. Or wifom whatever, shining I most mafia in the thread. That's actually quite incorrect play. | ||
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On January 20 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: Lol, Geript might actually be Scum after those posts. They didn't kill me. They didn't kill DP. They didn't kill JJB. DP just shoots me here. I'm calling him town and he knows I'd catch him. JJB's the oddball, but RB him and shooting a good player is strategy that wins. Like your team just pulled the same shit tier move in imperial... Twice. Like If you can't see the bus play from rsoultin then you're either mafia or you're bad. Maybe I'm just irritable. But why the fuck as town would rsoultin ask me about my Trfel read 4 times or some shit like that when I fucking explained it in my goddamn fourth post. Then she asks the same shit 3-4 times which I tucking explain each time and she mystically "doesn't get it and finds it scummy." She can't possibly be that fucking dense. Plus the JJB read is really awkward. | ||
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On January 20 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: JJB is an unccd tracker so really doesn't matter. On that regard if we have a doc claim and we have two Scum down. The kill wasn't that bad. GB actions basically confirmed him as town, jarhar had suspicion over his claim so he wouldn't be a good night kill. DP might be mafia at least one of the vets is probably try hard. But his post at eon made it seem he thought he would die, but that's wifom. You tr dp dp town reads you. No reason to kill someone tr you at this moment. Kills in imperial were done for wifom and keep people who aren't confirmed and other reasons. Either way, if rs doesn't understand something quote yourself instead of getting aggravated. In your first four posts you have, thrown dirt on jarjar ls damdred and rs. I don't see town!Geript doing this when we have a red check. Or people could read those posts to see what I think instead of saying bullshitting about who I want to lynch. Second, the past two games DP and I have townread each other instantly. Town-Town both times. We know each other's play really well almost as well as Rayn and I used to. Me tow reading him is because I fucking know him and I'm a straight balla. Hell, look at how I "scum read" DP in my first post. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:06 rsoultin wrote: Matter of opinion, but the point is I think if you'd been less combative you probably would have been fine and not mislynched. Regardless, take it as the concession it is. I'm saying your attitude is not alignment-indicative and shouldn't be held against you. Yah maybe being less combative would've kept me alive maybe. But I'm highly allergic to stupidity. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote: EBWOP: Please also explain why you decided not to stick to the 10 posts a day phase thing, Geript, if you care to answer me. Thank you. I needed to actually talk to DP and find a good lynch. Posting is rather addictive. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: Ninja'd Okay. Then it's still a bit confusing to me how Trfel earned his own special do not lynch this scum spot, but regardless of your alignment I am not going to get a different answer from you. Thanks for bearing with me. You really get pretty steamed about being questioned. It's not personal, I hope you know. No. I don't give a fuck about being questioned. I give a fuck about being questioned for for absolutely stupid shit when any person should be able to easily read me as town. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:34 rsoultin wrote: If trfel flips scum which...highly likely he will...your timing was unfortunate. Your 7th post was soon after my case. That is when you started posting back and forth with DP and didn't mention the case until he brought it up. To someone like me...that is suspicious when Trfel is scum. I understand that you will say that was not the reason regardless, but I'm just calling it like I see it. Who do you think is scum now? No clue. Maybe it's because I don't see a world where DP doesn't kill me and I'm being a baddie, but that's highly unlikely imo. Like it makes a bunch of sense in a number of regards, but him allowing a GB kill is so exceptionally out of character. He doesn't wifom NKs. He'd shoot me or shoot for the other blue. JJB I still don't quite know what to do with. I need to critically read the night shit. I need to reread GB which I'm expecting he'll be as useless in death as he was in life. I need to read WW again to find exactly what else I missed on him. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:36 rsoultin wrote: Consider it a compliment to your ability to play this game. I think you're capable of townie posts as scum. ^^ I dearly miss promethelax. People literally have no fucking clue how to read me when I'm literally the easiest get to read ever. | ||
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On January 20 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote: Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game. I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think. I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably. So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads) Breshke LM geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier? 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:25 rsoultin wrote: You know him better than I (or probably anyone) does... Do you think that my more or less solo push on trfel would have been enough to prompt a buss? Or the pressure on LM? In the Carol game, HF was the mafia RBr, and because of that the scum team put their necks out for him more than they probably otherwise would have. Do you think that would be a factor with DP? Or does he just not care? These are honest questions, not a trap, I promise lol Like I said before, your case wasn't very good imo. So no. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote: Then...why are you sure he's town again, if you don't think there was enough pressure on trfel to merit a buss? Just the NK? You honestly feel he'd kill you 100% of the time? Because he's playing like he does when he's town. And he's really easy to read early on. Like I get what he's saying. | ||
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jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept. | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote: Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually. Helped push town read on Trfel, helped push mafia reads away from trfel, helped steer lynch away from LM. Meh case on GB which is less telling than feeling the bad lynch there. I think he had a ok case earlier than GB; I forget it though (maybe the push on Rsoultin). Vote wise it makes the most sense. Although, similar-ish things could be said about me. I'm still pissed I didn't default to LM. I even had WW on my don't lynch today list. I feel really bad about that. | ||
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On January 20 2015 14:11 rsoultin wrote: Can you explain more on Damdred? How does that play out in your head? I'm asking because he didn't go with the GB wagon to save himself, which struck me as town, but if there's a scenario where he could be safe doing that, I'm considering him pretty much confirmed town when I shouldn't. Damdred wasn't being lynched on D1. Doesn't really matter where he puts his vote if mafia. 2 people who have little to no thread pull (one of whome has almost none) isn't going to get someone lynched. | ||
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On January 20 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote: Mmm. Well, see, this was where we were at before GB jumped on JJB, too. I mean...I wouldn't say it was entirely outside the realm of possibility for Damdred to be lynched? I know that this wasn't as close to EoD, though. That count makes me pretty sure JJB isn't mafia. Both mafia voting the third would be ridiculously awkward. I don't think it says anything otherwise though if LM is mafia. Maybe Shining is less likely to be mafia, maybe. I've seen 2 mafia both be late voters. Like if LM were voting anyone prior to that it would be more useful. | ||
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Plus JJB is literally claiming mafia with Damdred. Idk. I'll think about this more but I can't fathom a reason JJB says anything like that as town. In the least, we lynch Trfel and have more time to think about it. ##vote Trfel | ||
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On January 21 2015 09:03 DarthPunk wrote: OK I'm here all day on and off cause im not working. Gonna read the game again. If anyone wants to chat feel free. Read Damdred and tell me what you see. | ||
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Regarding the Damdred wagon, that's a quite interesting point. Just like mafia tend to not lynch claimed blues or in the least tend to move off their wagon. Mafia tend to not help lynch vets. So if Damdred is town it makes sense for him. Like if you assume for a second that DP and I am town. That same vote count makes GB look awfully scummy. | ||
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On January 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote: Unless your point geript is that mafia does tend to pick on the fumbling newbies in this game as the easy mislynches xP Which I would have to agree with from personal experience, limited though that is. No. My point is that what you're reading me town for makes me nothing. Like if I'm mafia I could be trying to get a blue lynched. Like that's such a god awful reason to read me as town. Like read me town for what I've done in the game that matters. Leading or not leading a vote on town/mafia isn't alignment indicative. Last minute shenannies or no do not make me or anyone else anything. | ||
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On January 21 2015 10:11 rsoultin wrote: You really think that's likely on Day 2, geript? I'd think it would be more likely in lylo. No. Not really. But it's not bad play. Like if you can get town to waste two days discussion it's quite good play in fact. Doesn't really make sense from LS point in the game but not unreasonable. | ||
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On January 22 2015 06:21 Trfel wrote: No one has any last words for me before I die? Well you don't have any last words for us. Seems only fair. You always can have fun with it and post baby seals. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote: He "Scumread" LoneMeow and GlowingBear had his vote on them until the WarWaffle wagon happened at Day 1. I think it could of been a potential bus on to LoneMeow by him to get some town cred and tried to bus him at today before we lynched him. We know that GlowingBear was Town by his flip so he wasn't busing a scum there but ironically GlowingBear called him out at Day 1 after he had reread Tfrel's filter. He said to lynch LoneMEow after lynching me which could be him trying to bus LoneMeow again. I think we should look into LoneMeow being our best suspect for our Day 3 lynch of scum. If you like this line of thinking then go find reasons for Alan being mafia. | ||
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I remember rereading GB yesterday and him having a good point. I don't remember who it was against though. | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:32 Breshke wrote: I cant tell if this is sarcasm or not but in any case it is a bad idea. Not really. It's a really good point against LM. It's actually the first point that anyone else has made that I actually like. The real irony of course would be that there were a bunch of terrible reasons that people were suspecting Trfel for and he flipped scum and there's good reasons for lynching LM and he'll of course flip town. It really would be the final "fuck you" playing this game has been so far. | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote: Geript why is what beshke saying so good when it's almost the exact thing that me and rsoultin were saying night 1? Besides the New info If you said it I didn't really notice. TBH, I've been trying to ignore rsoultin, she's been pissing me off and every time I think she could be mafia I go reread her and don't think that anymore. I just think she's newbie town. | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:54 jarjarbinks wrote: This is about Trfel voting Geript at the beginning. Do you guys think that Trfel would try to bus BOTH of his mafia bro's? I would definitely hope not. Especially right out of the gate. I could see him bussing one and maybe joining a lynchtrain on the other, but trying to kill off both your buddies seems messed up to me. If geript turns mafia, PLEASE don't let me be mafia with Trfel lol But anyways, what are your thoughts on this rsoultin? Think that possibly gives any towncred to geript if LM does turn scum? Definitely an if statement lol You have all my wat. | ||
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Roles are already out. Him randomly pushing me for shitty reasons doesn't mean anything. Literally nothing. | ||
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On January 23 2015 14:17 rsoultin wrote: I miss your analysis posts xP Sheeping bresh on LM almost seemed defeatist of you. Penny for your thoughts? It takes idk 2-3 hours to make those posts. I don't feel like putting 2-3 hours into each specific post like that especially when people seem to not actually read them. If there are good points that are worth sheeping, then you sheep unless you find something better. It's just good play. | ||
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On January 23 2015 20:54 DarthPunk wrote: I also am paranoid that everyone in the game seems to be on the LM wagon aside from me which means scum has to be on his wagon, and I have no idea why scum would bus straight after losing trifel. Lol. When shining made that post I was like.... "Hmmm me, Damdred, Breshke, Shining, rsoultin... Who doesn't want to lynch LM?" | ||
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Seriously Damdred which reads haven't you gone all squiggle legs on? And every time you change your reason for changing views on someone. I don't think I've ever seen someone who's town change their opinions so much in a game. Damdred has literally not read a single filter since his "let's lynch LM" post at the beginning of the day. It's not like he read a filter on D2 either. D1, idk. But with as much flipping his views on everyone he does, I don't think so. The main reason Damdred should've been lynched in Imperial was lack of doing shit he usually does as town. Usually he's pretty active as town, which he's not really been since D2. Usually he has some goddamn shitty opinion that he pushes, here he's not really pushing anything, his goddamn shitty opinion is extra shitty AND he can't even make up his fucking mind on his goddamn shitty opinion. Damdred has played long enough and has been in this game long enough to have a read to hang his hat on. That's not really there. On top of that this fucking sleezeball was willing to die for his townread that claimed VT. Like townies don't ever EVER do that. They know their reads can be wrong. Plus, he wasn't really doing any sort of anything to convince anyone else to vote for anyone on D1. Like the only redeeming point that Damdred has is that he seemingly wants to kill LM. #stopthebullshit #lynchtheperpetuallyundecided #hisbloodforthebloodgod ##unvote ##vote Damdred | ||
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On January 24 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote: Geripts response is interesting. If I'm lynched take note that he never refuted anything I said about his lack of connectivity with the game. Nor does he specifically draw instances of unbellievale read changes. my read on RS has been static, dp has been mainly unchanged besides thinking maybe he could be on a scum team but ita doubtful. Breshke has put in effort I townread shining before I misread a post then put him back as town. The main one I think would be GB who I've played with 20 times probably. Overall this is a classic over reaction to try to get people on me. I bring you to geripts weird read on trfel, him trying to get claims discredited during d3 and his total disconnect from the game and lack of follow up unless provoked. while I'm playing a bad game I know scum and he is the last after lm I don't draw specific instances of unbelievable read changes because they're literally so prolific. Anybody who's read your filter can literally see X town, X null, X mafia, X town, X mafia. As far as my "lack of connectivity to the game" yes please mention more complete bullshit terms that sound good. Just saying, the last time you were mafia you mentioned how in my town games I don't always go super tryhard and kinda say "fuck it, I'll do what I want." Funny how this game you're trying to say that you've never seen anything like this before AND that you've never seen it before when I'm town. Please make more shit up. Your read on DP. You mean the retconned obv town who in your own words you don't know how to read specifically and never read his filter but saw that he was obviously town. You mean your read on GB who you go back and forth on. You mean your read on me who you seem to change opinions on each and every time you come back to the thread for some new terrible reason. So your only read that's actually stayed teh same has supposedly been Rsoultin, and I'm pretty sure you at least are considering her as mafia at a few different points. My weird Trfel read? You mean the one where I said, I think he's scummy for X and Y and I think he's towny for Z. So because of Z I'm not interested in lynching him on D1. That's weird? Let's talk about your Trfel read: On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. Inquisitive? Doing things? Ya, not so much. The LS stance could've been caught by a 2-year old. Or how about this: On January 18 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: I disagree for now, I need to see his posting a bit more. His postings are vastly different from the previous games. I'll have to relook at your read to see where I am on it. Geript why you trying to pocket me In my first post I made some quite good points against Trfel. Your response, "oh sure they're vastly different, but why are you trying to pocket me." Not only were you interested in analyzing my post (something which never fucking happened), you were interested is others analyzing my post (which is something you never really pushed). Next, you disagreed with my read without any sort of worthwhile response ie I think this is why I think you're wrong. The main thing you focus on, "Oh his posts are definitely different." But remember, he totally shouldn't be lynched D1. Good job! You have officially poked the tiger. Now you get eaten. | ||
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On January 24 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote: Geripts response is interesting. If I'm lynched take note that he never refuted anything I said about his lack of connectivity with the game. Nor does he specifically draw instances of unbellievale read changes. my read on RS has been static, dp has been mainly unchanged besides thinking maybe he could be on a scum team but ita doubtful. Breshke has put in effort I townread shining before I misread a post then put him back as town. The main one I think would be GB who I've played with 20 times probably. Overall this is a classic over reaction to try to get people on me. I bring you to geripts weird read on trfel, him trying to get claims discredited during d3 and his total disconnect from the game and lack of follow up unless provoked. while I'm playing a bad game I know scum and he is the last after lm Really you're playing a bad game? Playing a bad game? By the end of N1 you're sold that both Trfel and LM are mafia; Trfel flips mafia and you know you're playing a bad game. Lol. Like how much BS can you put into a post. | ||
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On January 24 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: Can't wait to flip town and I hope the town lynched Geript as my last wish Lol. Next game maybe. With as often as you roll red it might be 2-3 more. | ||
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On January 24 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: Since I'm town that doesn't matter Since you're so sure of that lets test that theory. | ||
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Idk if anywhere honestly. Just weird that they leave a confirmed town around. I get the argument of who it is and they have to kill him at some point. This far into D3 they can't even CC him. Plus the GB kill as really bad. It almost gets me thinking that all the mafia team is inexperienced with dealing with endgame situations. So maybe it could be LM/Shining or similar. It feels important. I wish I knew why though. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: geript, explain to me how it makes sense that JJB is scum this game. that is where this line of questioning ends. It doesn't. I'm not even arguing that. I'm saying it's really weird that they would keep him around. Like if you weren't planning on CC'ing him, then you might as well kill him. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote: So let's do logic for a second. We know we have a cop. We know that JJB claimed tracker. - If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now. - If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake. Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. That's not the question. The question is: 1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker 2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB 3. Don't ever CC JJB Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote: Bresh is right. Scum probably did plan to CC originally but LS' red check threw it off. LS is the obvious kill Night 2. I don't find it significant that JJB is still alive. But if they were planning to CC his check, it's just as good to CC on D3 as it is on D2. Like it's actually better in many cases. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote: How is it better. They just trade 1 for 1 still at best. Pretend you're medic right. Someone claims cop with a tracker already claimed; you know one is lying. So if you lynch the redcheck, you learn which one is lying and who to put the save on at night. So not only would you not CC JJB's claim, you also wouldn't CC LS' claim. In the same way as mafia, same rules apply except that they have to claim being rb'd. Perhaps they were intending to CC JJB's tracker claim directly, but that's less likely to be effective. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:53 jarjarbinks wrote: Hmm I don't understand this... So LS red checks trfel. Trfel flips scum so if this imaginary medic were real, then the medic would therefore save LS. LS died so that means medic isn't around...right? I would think it would be smarter to try to save LS and see if no deaths occur over most likely getting your cop killed just to "double check" that his red check wasn't mafia trying to sway everyone. Worst case you lose tracker and know a mafia. Best case you save cop and know mafia. Definitely worth the risk in my mind because Cop>Tracker. Well, if there Cop claims a red check that flips red and there's no NK, then that would generally mean that the Tracker claim is false. The point is that there are two contrasting plays that were made (or not): 1. GB (a claimed vt) is killed, JJB (a claimed tracker) is not killed 2. There is no counterclaim against JJB Like you don't kill a vt who's generally read as town but is ineffective instead of killing a confirmed town that you don't intend to CC. Like that's insanity. | ||
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On January 24 2015 09:01 jarjarbinks wrote: Actually, someone's post on how killing LS before me made more sense than my argument for keeping me alive. Having a 100% town is pretty helpful, despite my not so good reads sometimes lol I'm uncertain on the damdred vs geript battle going on... if one of those was scum, which one would u choose? I'd choose Damdred. I may be slightly biased. It's possible that Damdred is just playing badly. In the least he deserves to die for thinking I'm mafia. | ||
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On January 24 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: But seriously that's not a real answer. You have to have someone you are Scum reading past me Not really. Palmer has taught me that 90% of the people who call me mafia are actually mafia. So you must die for your lack of faith in our hero and savior Geript Christ. | ||
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On January 24 2015 10:28 The Shining wrote: Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all. It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me. And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy. 3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother? No you're literally quite forgettable this game. That's a warning sign but I'm not sure what even makes you think I'm pushing you based on that. Yep. I'm totally busing LM by pushing Damdred. You caught me there. | ||
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On January 24 2015 11:13 DarthPunk wrote: Why is geript never here when I am here. It was nappy nap time. | ||
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On January 24 2015 12:49 DarthPunk wrote: You think it is scum odd or bad odd? because to me it could be both and I have no other information aside from the fact she has the largest filter in the game and pushed scum from the start of day one. Which makes me think bad odd. anyway im going to the store. Later. I think bad odd too. Like her filter doesn't really jump out as scummy. It's just lots of little things bug the shit out of me about her and they all feel suspiciousy. | ||
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On January 24 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote: I can't read Damdred still -_- If I had to change wagons it would be to him, but I wouldn't want to risk going to lylo for it so. You like being right; I can tell lol. Well, if things are still looking similar to how I'm seeing them now, he'd probably be a good Day 4 lynch. I don't think it's a good idea to potentially carry a lurker into lylo at all. Yah, that's part of the reason I really don't care of LM ends up getting lynched first. Like him in lylo would be a fucking tragedy. | ||
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On January 24 2015 13:40 The Shining wrote: I think you misunderstood. I meant are you and Damdred bussing eachother and hiding it under the support LM's push has gained. Also, 3rd option was said to imply that its only possible if the first 2 points are wrong. I like looking at everything from all sides. It gives me a solid train of thinking to follow once I receive new info. I'm sorry that I'm putting it out there in the thread for others to weigh in on. And I just said it feels like a soft push without the push. Let someone else read it, look into me and why I'm so forgettable and push your mislynch for you if you're scum. Nothing other than the fact you've brought me being forgettable up before hints to this but if it crossed my mind, I'm putting it out there. Excuse me. Yes, Damdred and I are bussing each other at Lylo +1. You found us out. You sneaky townsperson you. | ||
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On January 24 2015 13:41 DarthPunk wrote: Then if you think Damdred is more likely to be scum then geript, why did you say you are suspicious of Townier Geript pushing Scummier Damdred? That makes zero fucking sense to me. Hmmmm. That's a really good point. | ||
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On January 24 2015 15:44 The Shining wrote: A direct one, not deflective sarcasm. And I agree it's highly unlikely but not insane. My first ever TL mafia game, my strongest townread was scum. I'm in a nothing is impossible state of mind. I mentioned that the only red flag I've seen on an otherwise Town read on you was pushing to save who I think is scum in LM. I still think you can be town but I want to make sure I'm not making that decision blindly. I have nothing else to think of you except for the "If I'm wrong on everything, what's another possibility here?" theory and I came up with that. Maybe this is a mistake on my part but I was taught to always say what's on your mind, be transparent in your thoughts. So you wanted a direct answer to a question which people will only respond no to regardless of their alignment. Do you understand how silly that is? It's like: A: Are you mafia? B: Why of course I'm mafia. I can't believe you thought to ask me such a deep question. or: A: Are you town? B: You sneaky, sneaky towny you. How did you know that I wouldn't be able to lie about being mafia? If you want a direct answer, ask a question that doesn't have only one correct answer. | ||
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On January 25 2015 04:04 rsoultin wrote: geript, no one is pushing you for the lynch right now. Besides, if scum CCs LS on Day 2...either people believe LS and kill trfel anyway (the correct move, because you can verify him, lynch one scum and identify the second that way, or immediately lynch the fake-claimed ls the next day and clear the cc), giving town two obv scum to lynch early in the game, or they lynch ls and still give town two obv scum... A CC would be bad for mafia there. Please tell me what about Damdred's reads on you makes you think he's scum? No the problem is that you can't allow roles to go unclaimed. It's the major problem with newb play in "I'm a cop you idiot" type setups. When the setup is open or mostly open (when you know what the exact roles will be), counterclaiming is exceptionally important. It's also one of the reasons that I'm townreading DP. He understands this and I'm pretty sure he'd CC someone on D2 even if it were to just claim medic. You get to force a lynch on a blue in many circumstances which opens the path for endgame victory because you aren't forced to shoot blues every night. | ||
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On January 25 2015 03:19 rsoultin wrote: You mentioned this before. What does elo stand for? ELO is a rating system originally used in chess but adopted for a number of other games. | ||
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On January 25 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote: Your reason for thinking Damdred's reads progression on you is scummy? Or any of his other flip-flop reads you mentioned, for that matter. His flip flop reads are questionable. The problem though is that he's literally using heuristics which he knows are false. How motivated and try hard I am is wildly different game to game. Additionally, as mafia I actually tend to be more try-hard. Like he just got out of a game (where he was mafia) which pointed out this fact. Now he's trying to argue that I'm disconnected and therefore mafia. It's just blatantly false that I'm disconnected and that being disconnected makes me mafia. It's true that he tends to not read me well (when he's town); but as mafia he tends to ignore me (or call me town and ignore me). Which is one of the things that bugged me for much of the early game. Plus, he's not even thinking, "Hey I usually read this guy wrong. I'm reading his as mafia..." | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:41 Breshke wrote: So trfel why do you think LM will flip scum? Havnt people said he is always like thi aswell? This is a question that bugs me because I don't see it ever come back up again. It's just kinda full speed ahead on LM. I also don't remember anyone commenting on how active LM tends to be as either alignment. Maybe I made a passing comment that I usually think of LM as a low activity guy. Overall, I'd agree with you that the early townreads were perhaps quite wrong, but I'm not really seeing clear scum motivation or a lot of scummy things. One thing that does kinda bug me is that the's big on the LM-Trfel +1 theory, but if that's the case, then he should basically have it down to rsoultin/DP/Shining/me. But he doesn't really get how Trfel+LM implicates DP. There's no question as to whether or not LM is mafia. Yet he had a conversation with mafia bout LM. | ||
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On January 24 2015 13:29 The Shining wrote: RSo - I honestly don't think he'll flip Town. To be honest, it might be a bit conceited but one of my tinfoil theories marked Celestial in our last game, even though we lost. I kind of just don't want to lose again and therefore I'm pretty much spewing anything that comes into my head after thinking it through and seeing if there is any basis on it. Also, I wasn't killed that game the same way I'm still alive I'm this one for what I assume is the same reasons. My activity and filter constantly keep me in danger of a mislynch, apparently. Also, I'm not really scumreading him. I mentioned that this was personally the first red flag he raised for me, and it's based purely off of LM's flip. It is enough to rescind my "he's town, let me look elsewhere" POV on him and watch him at EoD. I like going at the lurkers to pressure them because in the case of lurking, you might get them back into the thread to analyze but It does kind of seem odd to abandon a lurker in LM and go at Damdred after wanting to lynch lurkers. DP - No. Damdred doesn't have a higher chance of being Town than Geript, due to what I've mentioned about tinfoil theory, as well as the fact that he's pretty disinterested here. He has a lot of posts but I've learned filter size isn't alignment indicative more than anything else. I also haven't ruled out him bussing LM for the inactivity to earn town credit, whereas the only thing I have on Geript is he might be saving scum. Not enough for me to lynch on. Leaving work now, back in a few hours. Like that post really bugs me. No one's really been pushing a Shining lynch at all. Like, activity isn't keeping Shining in the realm of mislynchable people. It's moreso the fact that his filter is pretty barren. He recognizes this but he doesn't really make any attempt to do anything about it other then, "Oh I guess I'm just on the list of mislynchables." | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:29 rsoultin wrote: Seriously, geript? He had JJB as his prime scum read. Can you quote me where he was scumreading trfel Day 1, because I certainly don't remember it. Just read my fucking post. Did I say that Breshke has Trfel as mafia? No. I'm saying that Breshke had a conversation with Trfel about LM. That's something I'd remember as town. Plus he doesn't get how Trfel+LM=DP but even by his own reasoning he has it limited town to Rso/DP/Shining/me. He seems essentially town on everyone that Trfel+LM could be mafia with under normal circumstances. | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: I do not see scum in shining's filter. I saw him go after GB hard, get into a shouting match with Damdred and GB. I saw him evaluate our spat in the thread. He's presented ideas others haven't. There isn't a disconnect between what he's doing and what he's saying. You honestly think he has a better chance of flipping scum than LM or Damdred? I really wish I remember why I had a townread on him near D1 that I didn't push him. I think I'm ok with a LM lynch if we don't lynch Damdred. | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:46 LoneMeow wrote: You do realise that all of those points except the last are based on day 1 alone - we're at the end of day 3 now, so you really should have some new evidence one way or the other by now. The last point would apply also to The Shining, yet you're not calling him scum for it, why's that? Perhaps if you would post, he would have more reasons... | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:39 DarthPunk wrote: Ya this is a good point. Also I just realized something. You know how bresh said his phone died at work day one? Well we are both Australian so I don't see how his phone could die at 8:30 am. Fuck it. I really don't want to care about this but it is weird. I'm going to feel really extra stupid and lazy if Breshke flips town though. ##unvote ##vote Breshke | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx That's the game, he even targets setup speculation like he did with the medic talk. I think breshke is a good lynch here but so is LM Breshke isn't in that game... | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:55 DarthPunk wrote: Would you be mad if you were about to be mislynched? I know I would. Yah, but it's not like he's been active or try hard. He's pissed that he's being read off of D1 filter when there's really not much else there. Like I don't get that. | ||
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On January 23 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote: What play is there to analyse? You have done almost nothing this entire game. At EoD1 you put your vote on jarjar because you town read GB. But you didn't want to lynch jarjar before that. I don't think a town just settles like that when there was still some time left during the day. Yes it was only 15 minutes i think so that's a harsh call but you were obviously around because you had time to switch to WW. Here is twice where you have said you are going to specifically read damdred and geript yet you still have them in your nulls. Did you actually read their filters and not manage to pull an alignment lean one way or the other? Town Rsoultin JarJar Geript Town lean The shining Null Damdred DP Scum LM Obviously one of my nulls is wrong or im wrong on one of my town lean but im fairly sure geript and rsoultin are town The lowest DP ends is usually null but more often I remember it more as Breshke giving him a soft town lean. I'm town, rsoultin' town, Shining's town. Like it makes no sense for a Damdred LM scum team. But he's happy about the LM lynch but isn't really thinking how it affects his reads. He's also not really flat analyzing based on filter alone. | ||
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On January 25 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote: hmmm okay. so...I don't know. a damdred LM scum team doesn't make sense, you're right. dp is in the same null category as damdred... i'll have to see where else breshke has read dp, cause this post doesn't really illustrate your point. 3/4ths of the people who reasonably could be mafia with LM and the last being null doesn't illustrate that my point that his LM scum team makes no sense. | ||
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On January 25 2015 08:28 jarjarbinks wrote: Geript would your scum team be Breske Damded right now? no. I don't think that's a reasonable scum team at all. | ||
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On January 25 2015 16:23 jarjarbinks wrote: Ya I haven't used it this game. That model was based on EOD votes, dead peoples votes, and who dies at night. I first figured that if I could get enough games into the system, I could figure out if say voting for a town that gets lynched makes you any more likely to be scum or not. I was thinking about doing something like seeing how claiming or including votes that switch later affect a person's alignment as well, but those require more digging into every game and would take more time. I only had 2 games in the system then and 3 now. I've been kind of lazy, mostly because it seems like all the people that play on here were very against it. Statistics are supposed to be used to help support things people normally see in the games. Since my numbers were going against common perception, I figured it was either: You guys were wrong OR My model sucked some big balls. I went with my model sucked some big balls. I think if I had time to put in like 30 games to the model I might have something. But that's going to be a while. My 3 game model has it like this (baseline is 2/7 because theres two scum out of 7 people): Me: 43% mafia... lol Breshke: 41% mafia Rsoultin: 31% mafia Shining: 30% mafia Everyone else: 29% mafia This is without a +/- 3% buffer. But like I said before, I'm not using this at all and for good reason. If I did, I would have still been genuinely confused because of the very large train Day1 and GB voting for me... lol So how much percentage points do everyone get? I ask because I was interested in it at end of game; I mean it did have mafia as the #2,3 and 4 on the to lynch train. | ||
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On January 26 2015 04:29 rsoultin wrote: Probably explained by working on a tablet, which Damdred and I have already verified is true. I like that you're revisiting Shining, though. It's nice to see at least one other player not dead set on auto lynching tomorrow. Wasn't he on a tablet most of last game? Plenty of quotes there. | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (3): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear LoneMeow (2): Trfel, jarjarbinks GlowingBear (3): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk Not Voting (2): The Shining, LoneMeow On January 19 2015 06:42 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (3): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): Trfel GlowingBear (5): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining Not Voting (1): LoneMeow Mostly has to do with votes and vote progression. The point against rsoultin is that her vote was pretty much wasted for most of the day on Damdred. Wagons formed with GB and JJB and she let her's rot on Damdred for awhile. But the Trfel onto GB, tends to be a "lynch secure" vote. My experience is that usually there's a vote on already when that vote comes in. Which is like Shining/DP. Shining/Rsoultin is theoretically a pair. I'm just having a hard time thinking that she could actually post 19 pages as first time mafia. | ||
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On January 26 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote: He has I just finished a game with him as my team mate. link? | ||
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On January 26 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: I'm still catching up but i want to ask. Geript do you think it is reasonable that damdred flipped his read on you to town for the reason he gave? Honestly, I'm really torn on Damdred entirely. Like I think I just want to call him town and say fuck it, if he's mafia I'm just going to lynch him in every game he's in. | ||
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On January 26 2015 07:08 Breshke wrote: Then who is your mafia because you are also reading DP as town still? That leaves you with me RSo and shining. Im town RSo is town and who knows what shining is I keep reading his filter and jsut seeing him jump on stuff other people have already discussed. Either way you are wrong geript. What am I wrong about? Damdred being town? DP Being town? | ||
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Right now shining's my top choice. I need to get back to him. Like there's no usable meta for him really. But I really can't shake the feeling that his posts feel really, really different. I need to do a deep read of rsoultin too, but that kinda scares me b/c 21 pages. | ||
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On January 26 2015 17:38 DarthPunk wrote: Hey geript. Remember last time we were in LYLO together? You self voted and afk'd and I lynched you. We were both town. Not really no. | ||
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On January 26 2015 23:27 Damdred wrote: Geript right now this is where you are at from what I can see Town: Geript DP Breshke which leaves shining and rs? That one feels a bit weird to me My previous read on DP was town but I need to read him specifically. He's kinda been given a free pass in hopes that he'd die or I'd die and because I thought he was really towny. I just need to sit down and analyze him. | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:40 rsoultin wrote: @damdred...saying youre not stupid and that what youre doing regarding blazing ahead blindly was actuallu implying youre mafia. i havent hard dived you yet though amd was hoping if i was wrong about your alignment youd rethink your position @dp...i was right on ls, jjb and trfel, all of whome you were wrong on. also ww. so my methods arent completely worthless. upu need to demonstrate why someone is scum r ather than make assumptions on unflipped wagons and base your /entire/ analysis on that. some is fine, but not the entire thing. @geript...a no-lynch with this much uncertainty on everyones part is not terrible. id rather be relatively certain tham hand the game over to scum yolo guessing shining and bresh scumteam is sort of a cop out imo without actually determining why theyre scummy. its not good enough just to say that the team /could/ work No a no lynch literally does nothing. You still need 3 townies to vote together and with 4 town, you actually have better likelihood that you can get 3 together before the fourth screws things up. Even still, they kill me tonight as I'm universally townread and you're in the same situation of 1 townie can screw the pooch for the other 3 townies alive currently. Like you're literally saying right now, I would rather go into lylo without Geript to help give his opinion and guide the lynch than with Geript to do that. That literally makes zero sense. There are situations where at LYLO +1 townie it's beneficial to no lynch, but 90% of the time all it does is kill the guy who's generally townread and leave everyone in the same situation. Like if people aren't going to spend time to analyze the game today when it's lylo there's little to no expectation of them doing so tomorrow. I don't even understand why you buy Breshke's argument to no lynch. Like the 3 players with the most experience are saying there's no point to no lynching; why do you think that they're wrong? In the least, 1 of us is town and all of us agree on the point. | ||
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On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote: Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again. Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now. Fuck it. This is what I missed on D1. I really am sorry WW. I should've caught this and seen you were town. This was a really good observation and why I should've wanted to lynch Trfel D1. | ||
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1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care. 2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts. 3. GB had a few decent points on him here: On January 19 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you. This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia. On January 19 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why. Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does. I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1. The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts. This is specially if you really believe this: Which is exactly what happened EoD. This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie. Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period. Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours. And regarding not acknowledging you: ![[image loading]](http://41.media.tumblr.com/8276e2b065652480a2edbd0522aac367/tumblr_mjtiex5KeP1r0qyqbo1_500.png) I'm gonna stop here to tell you this: I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town. After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter. The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him. 4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly. 5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town. ##vote The Shining I'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next. Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta. | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote: I'm here now Geript. I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad. What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard? I remember seeing it, but off the top of my head I don't specifically remember the argument/point. Can you point me to a post. | ||
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On January 27 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: Geript is rsoultin town or scum I'm taking a break. I'll attack mount everest after I've chilled out for a bit. What I've read of her today and my initial read (which usually are my best reads), I'd say town. | ||
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On January 27 2015 09:58 rsoultin wrote: I personally see a problem in the vets with generally ignoring vets and focusing on the weird/bad play of the newbies. It's super easy for scum to take advantage of. And super easy to misread new town as scum. Do you guys really all townread each other? geript, answer me this: why are both you and DP still alive when mafia still has a roleblocker? I've got schoolwork to do, but then I'll come back. If you have questions, I'll answer them. Otherwise just keep commenting on how weird it is that I'd know my own brother and the two players I've played with in every game here well enough to get a good read on them, lol. Idk. I really expected to die last night. Maybe just because I really wanted to die. Likely though because the NK implicates no one and says nothing. It gives the least info entirely. Like it's even weirder because since last night people have been hard towning me. | ||
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On January 27 2015 13:48 rsoultin wrote: This is something that I noticed, too. I'll want to see if it's in geript's filter, where he changed his mind. I have to ask, though, why would that keep you from analyzing his post? geript, if you're here, can you explain when your nullish read on DP changed and why? Nah I think he's town. If I just happily waddled my way into his pocket free of charge, then that's my fault. I've reread his filter. There are a few alarm bells, but 95% of it is exactly how I remember him playing as town. | ||
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On January 27 2015 13:18 Damdred wrote: I don't get why it would be directly my fault feript, I've played the same way all game and you've called me town several times. If anything spite lynching me isn't the answer. It's your fault because it's never my fault. | ||
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On January 27 2015 15:02 rsoultin wrote: Shush, child. I'm reading geript xP I may have to leave my conclusions in the morning and hope the rest of town doesn't shit the bed, but I'm going to try to do this right. Geeeeeeript. More a point of curiosity than anything: why do you do these psychological question thingies? You did it with both me and JJB, but the one you did with him seemed more on point. Kinda. JJB I did it because of how I read Slam. I think that read transfers over 100% or at least close enough to matter. I did chezinu things with you because I really don't fucking care that much right now. I feel like I have a townread on everyone but Shining and no one is super big on lynch him except maybe DP. Maybe I'm just wrong on him. But the no vote switch makes it really weird. Like if I'm wrong on DP/Damdred then fuck it. My bad. But the most logical lynch there is Breshke because he makes the most sense between the three of you logically. | ||
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On January 27 2015 15:48 rsoultin wrote: What changed your read on Damdred, geript? You seemed to be scumming him all the way up to shennanies. Reading his filter and past games filters and doing an 8 game meta on him at least half of which were games I've played in. | ||
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I mean, I didn't like that you (DP) pushed away my early push on Trfel but meh fcuk it. | ||
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On January 27 2015 16:47 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, your filter wasn't bad. The two lists thing was weird. The reaction to the red-check, but you did say you were sick I guess. A couple other things, like the breshke lynch on the phone point. I think it's strange you don't really doubt DP much but then, y'all think it's strange I can scumread Trfel so quickly, and townread my "slam-lite" brother. Speaking of Breshke. Rereading his filter. Most of it is from today. Don't know if that means anything. He did buddy up to me pretty good, but the only way I can see a Breshke/Shining scumteam is if they both went yolo and AFKd it and didn't realize Bresh was in trouble. Seems...unlikely. I know it's not as easy to see from my perspective because I could be the most profilically posting newbie scum evar, but if it's not bresh and me, not bresh and shining, and i'm not really seeing any big reasons to think you're scum, either...it's shining and one of your townreads or Damdred and DP together. Bresh made an interesting point about you not going for the easy lynches back when JJB was scumming you. Damdred has scumread some harder people to lynch. Trfel at the time (well I know it), you, me...but when it comes right down to it he's only been pursuing the easy ones. LM. JJB. Breshke when Breshke is AFK. Like I really don't get why anybody didn't expect a CC from somewhere there. Like mafia have to be really bad or have no balls to not CC something on D2. Like it's really, really trash play generally there. Like I can't see DP not yolo claiming there to get like JJB lynched or something. IDK if Damdred would but meh. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:28 DarthPunk wrote: Dude I play with Seriously. Everything you have a problem with is a stylistic thing. Yes I understand that you disagree with the way I play. That is fine. Damdred looks hella townie ever since LM lynch. If you ask geript he will asy the same thing. We have played ALOT of games. WE know what to look for. Fixed that for you | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:28 DarthPunk wrote: If you are mafia and I lose to you when you are posting shit like that at Mylo i will cry. Nah. I'd be making sure to finish a lynch if I were mafia. But seriously look at shining if he doesn't get modkilled. I'm not sure it's as obvious as you think it is. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:30 DarthPunk wrote: I mean it's true though. It's part of the reason you hated me for all that time I imagine. No I hated you because you were an asshat that didn't give me any respect. You've fixed the not giving me any respect part and I really don't give a major fuck about you being an asshat. I mean it's not like I fakeclaimed vigi and pushed you saying I was going to shoot you regardless of what anyone else said or thought on the matter for idk practically 24hrs straight just so I could get a read on you. Then once I got the read I kept that shit up just to piss you off. I'm pretty sure we're even. Like even if you're mafia here I don't really care. It's my bad read. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:35 DarthPunk wrote: Ask geript. I am massively toned down compared to usual. Yah, like The Game. Like DP used to be way worse than this. I think getting laid has mellowed him out; maybe it's just the hookers. IDK, but he was town that game and his mafia was way worse than that. Like the best way to read him used to be just push him and someone else into a shitfight with each other. As town, DP would get his head around it at some point. As mafia, he'd just go balls to the wall. I miss a lot of the old school guys. Keirathi--That guy was just pure swag. Kitaman doesn't really play anymore and he's both good and fun as hell to play with. Old PLammer. Like new Plammer just isn't the same. I only got to play with Ace on his return after his greatness. That made me sad. Greymist is a bunch of fun to play with. Foolishness too. Like I didn't even get to play with many of them but they were hella fun to play with and they were good. Promethelax--Like this guy had to tell people how they could actually read me; it's not really applicable anymore but people used to always get me totally wrong and fear lynch me because I approach the game so oddly. Like, the newbie coaches really don't do justice anymore imo in comparison to some of these guys who used to be able to help train people. Like it's really hard for me to coach town because I have so many specific reads that are really really hard to explain without pointing to a load of games and examples. Like I just got out of a video mafia game where I had a swag town read on Banks. Banks literally is the Ace of video mafia; he's balla as mafia and insanely good as town. He forgets nothing. I was able to read him as town because of how he approached a read on another player based on their bad read. Then we lynched that person because she loved my swag read but wouldn't reconsider Banks as town because of it (she was mafia). Plus you've asked about my slam read. Like I've never read Slam wrong. He just approaches the game so differently from other people and you have to engage into his subgame to understand why he's playing. The big thing that fails to get taught in the newbies, in my experience, and something that I'm awful at explaining is mafia motivation. Like take the WW post I talked about a bit ago. It's totally town. There's no mafia motivation there whatsoever. Those posts are really hard to fake as mafia because of how invested you have to be as playing mafia while still creating natural progressions. It's one of the major reasons why I don't really scumhunt. It's so much easier to find people who you find to be town and just lynch all the other fuckers. Plus, you can get reads on pressured people like LM/GB when they get to that point and you can make big switches. My D1 switch was bad obviously, but switching there was the right play. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:39 rsoultin wrote: -_- You do realize if he gets modkilled as town the game is over, right? Or if you lynch me at all. -beats with a wet noodle- Don't you realize that if Breshke is town it doesn't matter if Shining is town. If Shining's mafia, then it's a different story. But if Breshke is town and Shining is town, Shining being modkilled literally has no effect on the game. | ||
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Also DP if you are mafia, one thing I would say is chill on the "stay the course" talk you gave me at the start of the day. It really caught me off guard. But idk how you would approach me there as town. | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:54 rsoultin wrote: I actually don't know when people get modkilled lol. They've always been replaced in the games except for Cool. Most hosts and the hosts I respect generally don't replace after the start of N2 and definitely not after the start of D3. Like it's too unfair to the state of the game and too unfair to the player coming in. There's a bit of an exception for newbie games because they're supposed to be more of a learning tool than anything else. Winning/Losing is far less of an issue. I really doubt BH would replace someone in now. As a general rule what I use when I host is: 1. No replacements for souring a game. 99% of time it mod confirms town by someone being a complete jackass to other people. 2. No replacements after the start of N2. Very rarely can people catch up reasonably. 3. No replacements after 100+ pages. This is usually more applicable to large games. Often it's too unfair for the person replacing in to be able to catch up and it's quite hard for them to stave off the lynch. My hardest experience in replacing in was in Greymist's Catastrophe game. I literally replaced in like 200 pages in. I actually ended up getting fully caught up, but both catching up and avoiding getting lynched there was practically impossible. It's really funny because the first thing I did while catching up was just read filters. I started at/around Keirathi's only to find out like he died N1. It was a terrible travesty. I was devastated. | ||
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On January 27 2015 19:08 DarthPunk wrote: im not scum jesus stop hedging geript. I have to be able to say "I knew it all along though!!!" Believably. | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Possibility exists where scum geript pulls votes off town lm to partner scum breshke for town cred not thinking people will be active. Hell I started the votes on bresh. Maybe this is for cred and bussing bresh now hrm The possibility of unicorns existing and spiriting me away to a land where everyone is ridiculously hot, never wear clothes and all want my D is about as high. | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:31 rsoultin wrote: why would he need cred if bresh isnt lynched? like i agree that you coming off bresh makes it harder to believe youre scum. its my one reservation right now. but woth three on bresh and if youre scum with either dp or shining and can get a wagon started on a town geript you can secure a mislynch while moving off bresh. there are 4 town to frame after all and you and dp arent providing cases in particular consider lynching dp or shining and i might believe youre town. make a real case For swag clearly | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I'm not making cases on my town reads sadly. You aren't thinking about it though rso if your town keep being blind Yah. Guess you wouldn't want to be put to shame by the best case of 2015. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:26 Breshke wrote: Lol damdred suspecting geript again and not wanting to nl is retarded. Dandred isnt reconsidering his town reads so is left with a world of me and rso which he admits doesnt make sense. what you then start pretending you are considering geript yet you dont want to nl to see if he dies in the night. pfft Literally no one has said you're mafia for not being around at EoD. Like that's one of the dumbest reasons to call someone mafia ever when you factor in time zones. | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:10 Breshke wrote: DP has What are the other arguments against me then DP and Damdred are town and it's hard to see you not in a scum team. | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote: I could live with lynching RS first possibly Yah idk. I'd rather lynch Shining. Like Rso makes enough sense too because of literally the 80 times this game she's asked 4-5 times on things that have totally been explained. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote: You don't see the issue with hard alligning like this in mylo? I think shining is town but I at least let people talk about otherwise without blocking all fiscussion Yes. The fizzcussion is very important. Those fish need to be allowed room to breathe and grow before they can really snowball hard. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: I kinda want us to switch to rsoultin though Is there a specific reason you think rsoultin instead of Breshke? | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:52 DarthPunk wrote: What? What if it is breshke shining? More often when I see 2 people hard defending each other like that, more often it's 2 town or 1 town 1 mafia. And Damdred was right on Breshke's meta where he doesn't tread his partners like that usually. IDK f that helps. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:57 Damdred wrote: Idk what to do geript swapped really easy Yah well babycakes, I'm just kinda sheeping today. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote: GG. Omg so much hate coming my way =l No, but at least I have a good read on you. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:02 Eden1892 wrote: everyone who didn't realize dp was just sniping at townies and not trying to solve the game at mylo should be ashamed doubly ashamed if you also fell for the nervous act after he's been stating nothing but absolutes all game 1. You didn't play the game. 2. If there's a reason for him being mafia, it's because he defended Trfel and Shining from pushes and lynches that I liked but would hseep me onto anyone else. 3. You can't say that I didn't want to have a good lynch on D3. 4. You can't understand how hard and frustrating it can be trying to find mafia between so many new players. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:04 Eden1892 wrote: lol my student caught it in the game but that's fair. it's easy not to get your head wrapped up when you're outside itPlus, it's really hard to not get your head wrapped around when you have random people calling you mafia for terrible reasons and calling you town for worse reasons. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote: btws look out for rsoultin. she good. bright future apologies to warwaffle for being horribly afk during d1 and not being helpful for next time i coach town: how to help my students not get bandwagoned at eod? happened to BOTH of them lmao Rsoultin's issue literally was imo not reading/thinking. Like I explained 4-5-6-7 different things 4-5-6 different times and it never took. Like how Trfel could be mafia and not a good D1 lynch. Also, FWIW, I don't like the Trfel check. I think that there were many other better checks at that point and Trfel was easily catchable. Next, don't fucking claim a check with the first post in a day. It literally makes the day like 90% worthless. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:07 Breshke wrote: Urgh i need to push stuff harder. Honestly i want to apologize to town mostly geript damdred and RSo i could have played much better No you're fine. I just quit caring on D4. Like I was tired of trying to explain reads and have no one listen to them. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:08 Eden1892 wrote: tbh i don't think i would have caught shining... lmao that sounds awful, but i liked rsoultin's reasoning for him being town, and i probably would have given him a pass if he hadn't tried to solve the game at 4p and lynched whichever of the other 3 tried the least hard Nah, Shining was WAAAAY easier than DP. Like objectively, DP's probably easier. But Shining's posts this game were so trash compared to his newbie game. Like the thought process in between was different. Like I had 5 good separate reasons for wanting to lynch him. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:11 Half the Sky wrote: I can see why LS did the check, but I would have to agree with Geript. The check itself I can understand but the claim IMO was not a good play. I'll explain why it's a bad check. Cop play is tough, but generally you want to think of the cop as a vigilante in some regards. Checks toward inactives are huge. Like LM was the best N1 check because there's literally so little to read him off of and he's lynch bait. Breshke wouldn't have been a bad check. | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:56 DarthPunk wrote: Geript are you now never gonna trust me again Nah. Might not townread you so early. But I mean there are a lot of warning signs I should've picked up on. Like you in effect blind trusting me on WW and Breshke but essentially ignoring better cases/points on Trfel/Shining. Like I should've picked up on the fact that you were hammering lynches on GB and LM while they were looking really towny. The Rsoultin push on D1 was pretty classic DP town though. I even noted in my first big post that I didn't know what to do with you. Plus, I really couldn't fathom you being on a scumteam that didn't CC anything on D2. Like, it makes sense because you couldn't CC and Shining wouldn't have lasted a day. But I couldn't really see you on a team with shining. | ||
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On January 28 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also like how Geript starts all of his sentences with "like,". Only 90% | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:41 rsoultin wrote: Well now I know, geript xP it seemed weird to me att. Though frankly the weirdest thing to me was the DP/geript brofest...so couple that with a trfel scum and yeah -_- paranoia running rampant. I almost 100% know he's scum and you have him as the scum to not lynch. You can see where I'm going with this, right? lol So. Like that literally doesn't matter. Not one bit. Like Trfel being mafia makes a bunch of people suspicious. Sometimes people are wrong. Being wrong doesn't mean you're mafia. It just makes you wrong. Like my two big posts should've made me obviously town. Like it's not that hard. You have to take things in perspective. | ||
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