Idk if anywhere honestly. Just weird that they leave a confirmed town around. I get the argument of who it is and they have to kill him at some point. This far into D3 they can't even CC him. Plus the GB kill as really bad. It almost gets me thinking that all the mafia team is inexperienced with dealing with endgame situations. So maybe it could be LM/Shining or similar. It feels important. I wish I knew why though.

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 23 2015 22:50 GMT

#1402

Jarjar was lynch bait day 2 probably had someone ready to fake claim to get a mismatch. Nobody has ccd, and LS took kp last night.

This is a horrible thought,

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 22:54 GMT

#1403

On January 24 2015 07:49 geript wrote:

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-shrugs-

JJB is all but confirmed town (only situ he isn't is if we have a really dumb blue hanging around somewhere). NKs are WIFOM. If the intent was to give no information I think that succeeded.

Maybe the answer is in a unique read he had at the time?

geript

10024 Posts

January 23 2015 22:56 GMT

#1404

But if they had someone ready to CC on D2 then why not claim medic at start of D3? Like it makes no sense.

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 23 2015 22:58 GMT

#1405

There cc failed in tr it looks like and everyone else besides you Geript has shown 100% believed the claim so everyone else is basically claiming mafia

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

January 23 2015 23:00 GMT

#1406

##Vote: LM

I think they are keeping me around because I am less value to town than the rest of VT's. I am a confirmed town but that's it. I haven't really helped town at all because I suck at this game. If I wasn't tracker I would have been dead day 1.

If I was mafia, I would keep the tracker like that too.

I'm guessing they are banking on me getting reads wrong and mislynching people to the end. It's pretty humbling, but that's my guess on their strategy.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 23:08 GMT

#1407

On January 24 2015 07:56 geript wrote:
But if they had someone ready to CC on D2 then why not claim medic at start of D3? Like it makes no sense.

geript, explain to me how it makes sense that JJB is scum this game. that is where this line of questioning ends.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

January 23 2015 23:10 GMT

#1408

Geript do you just get angry at anyone that scumreads you? You do realize that for everyone else there is still a chance your scum right?

Breshke

Australia3749 Posts

January 23 2015 23:12 GMT

#1409

Damdred i don't get your point about geript trying to discredit claims. I think the way the game has played out there hasn't really been a chance for mafia to CC.

So noone cc'd on D!. Then D2 LS came out. Mafia couldn't CC him there (other than trefel) Because that would have been a two for one. Also anyone cc'ing JJB that day would have also looked bad because the obvious play would have been just to wait for D3 because one you get another chance at a check if tracker or a possible save is doc.

D3 comes along and LS was killed which confirms there is no medic because anyone trying to explain why they wouldn't be saving LS there would have a hard time. So they can't claim doctor and they cant claim cop so they would have to directly cc JJB. This would elad to a couple questions, One why they didn't CC D1 and two why JJB has been getting roleblocked every night. Also the fact that we still have a misslynch before mylo means at best for them we lynch JJB first then them sending their partner into final 3.

Basically what im saying is that i do think the plan was for someone to CC some form of power role but LS's red check put a spanner in the works and didn't allow the play to happen. That is probably why GB was killed because killing JJB obviously confirms him thus not allowing a CC.

Also because of this i don't see how geript voicing his doubt on the roles achieves anything if he is scum. There is no chance anyone was going to actually not believe JJB until there is a CC and that CC wasn't going to happen for the reasons i just explained.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 23:15 GMT

#1410

So let's do logic for a second.

We know we have a cop.

We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.

Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker.

Breshke

Australia3749 Posts

January 23 2015 23:18 GMT

#1411

On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:
So let's do logic for a second.

We know we have a cop.

We know that JJB claimed tracker.
- If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now.
- If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake.

Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker.

Yeah I agree. I don't see how it is scummy of geript to doubt this. Useless maybe but not exactly scummy more like null because i don't see what he gains either way.

Breshke

Australia3749 Posts

January 23 2015 23:19 GMT

#1412

RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of?

geript

10024 Posts

January 23 2015 23:21 GMT

#1413

On January 24 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote:

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geript, explain to me how it makes sense that JJB is scum this game. that is where this line of questioning ends.

It doesn't. I'm not even arguing that. I'm saying it's really weird that they would keep him around. Like if you weren't planning on CC'ing him, then you might as well kill him.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 23:24 GMT

#1414

Bresh is right. Scum probably did plan to CC originally but LS' red check threw it off. LS is the obvious kill Night 2. I don't find it significant that JJB is still alive.

geript

10024 Posts

January 23 2015 23:24 GMT

#1415

That's not the question. The question is:
1. Mafia know town has cop/tracker
2. Mafia keeps tracker around seemingly planning to CC JJB
3. Don't ever CC JJB
Why? It tells me that mafia aren't really familiar with setups like this and are likely less experienced and less involved. Which points more towards 3 newer players.

geript

10024 Posts

January 23 2015 23:25 GMT

#1416

On January 24 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
Bresh is right. Scum probably did plan to CC originally but LS' red check threw it off. LS is the obvious kill Night 2. I don't find it significant that JJB is still alive.

But if they were planning to CC his check, it's just as good to CC on D3 as it is on D2. Like it's actually better in many cases.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 23:26 GMT

#1417

On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote:
RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of?

Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes

That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3.

Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans.

Breshke

Australia3749 Posts

January 23 2015 23:31 GMT

#1418

On January 24 2015 08:25 geript wrote:

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But if they were planning to CC his check, it's just as good to CC on D3 as it is on D2. Like it's actually better in many cases.

How is it better. They just trade 1 for 1 still at best.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 23 2015 23:32 GMT

#1419

On January 24 2015 08:24 geript wrote:

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Or has less credibility than JJB. Or it's WIFOM. geript, I'm not lynching people based on this type of setup speculation. It's not good play. It's a good reason to look at the new players I'm townreading and consider that I may be wrong, yes, but it's a starting point not an end-all.

LM is my lynch for today. It will take something drastic - or brilliant - to dissuade me from that. I have too many question marks regarding other players.