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gives me more time to lynch gb | ||
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Your just salty at me still in the town and the freedom feels great | ||
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Gb where you run to | ||
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What gives? | ||
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@lian shhhhh they shouldn't notice if we play along | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:01 jrkirby wrote: So I'm scum for playing the game seriously instead of posting videos of jarraxxus and pictures of ham? Your logic is impeccable here. scum generally lack a sense of humor and shy away from sillyness as they can be picked out for faking it its psychological. Apologizing for no reason is mainly a null trait but can be used to buddy or to slide by. So there is some logic behind it | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:07 Circumstance wrote: If ritoky's picture of GB (which I presume stands for GlowingBear) is accurate, then being Jewish, I kinda have to be suspicious of him. That made me laugh, so what about the other prevalant conversation especially the scum read that's being discussed | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:08 GlowingBear wrote: This is actually not true lol But my problem with his post was this: he didn't want to joke, clearly. So he posted something serious. But if there is nothing suspicious yet, why bother post and summarise a thread that is barely 2 pages long? So, I'm not saying he is suspicious just because he didn't joke. I'm saying he is suspicious because he was serious but brought nothing to the thread with that opening. I disagree, scum are in a general way afraid to seem insensere which is why they shy away from jokes just look at batsnacks really. But that can wait for a later discussion | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:11 Circumstance wrote: It's Day 1, you're gonna have to be a little more specific than "the scumread". Do you mean the joke thing? Because I've never seen any particular differentiation on that in my previous online Mafia experiences. well what do you think about glowings post then? | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. Why does it have to be a misread? Does scum not do what he did? Why are you so certain of a misread? | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I think GB probably town. Stay tuned for more simplistic insights with VE. Who else is town or scum ve | ||
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Scum hunting should be done day, night all the time to push the thread forward circumstance. Its not that it bothers me you not liking GB or the joke thing, that's understandable. However saying it is a misread with such certainty bothers me, it speaks from knowledge rather than not knowing. | ||
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Lian, what do you think about jrkirby and circumstance defending one another | ||
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Got a few town reads and i'm not sure how VE got a few of his townreads. Good morning btw | ||
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GB still looks ok towny justnot sure why he's pushing on hf like that. so reading thread and his filter in not sure why ve, has a town read on miser his filter has a lot of safe things to talk about... | ||
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also I think oats looks ok am I crazy | ||
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I have a town read on hf, oats, jay right now as well as loan. misar is a scum lean | ||
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Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with On October 31 2014 11:00 jaybrundage wrote: I HATE DAY ONE!!!!!! Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. On October 31 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: @holyflare I don't like day one because I struggle with having no concrete information. Votes for me already? I love it :D DO TELL? WHY WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR ME? He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. On October 31 2014 13:43 jaybrundage wrote: I dont know about GB, I think he called out someones first post in a dumb way. First post they don't say anything besides nothing suspicious. And he said why post if you dont have anything to say and you dont wanna joke around. My response to that would be it's super early in the day people post because there is nothing else to do. They post for the hell of it till they think they see something scummy and they scumhunt. Oh and just so no one gets confused I just liked VE's post cause VE is awesome and he said God I love this guy XD I hadn't looked into GB before then. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. (crazy theory lololol) On October 31 2014 14:13 jaybrundage wrote: I'm trying to get people to post about there reasoning and to post more so i can get a better read on them. The faster there is substance in the thread. The faster real analyzing can happen. By me "nitpicking" hopefully you can also get a better read on me as well as GB. Who is my nit...pickeded XD (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538 He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb On November 01 2014 13:41 jaybrundage wrote: Obi I thought you were gonna come back and talk about stuff. Shoot. Who's your scum read? @ Liancourt. I noticed that you seem to comment on a lot of things and often ask questions. Liking it so far. I am not sure who your top scum read is tho. Do you have anyone picked out? I would ideally like to get each person to set up a position on who they would like to lynch. The day is half over, What would suck is if at the end of the day we have people with poorly defined positions who just can pile on any bandwagon with little reasoning and because of that let scum influence the lynch. I'm not posting this just to try to give scum a hard time. Townies do this shit too and it makes it harder to sift thru the drivel after a lynch. he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. | ||
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BH has a shot at being scum for his inactivity really, misder has a decent shot | ||
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GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. | ||
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WHY DO YOU THINk THIS DAMMY! IT was like you were trying to set up suspicion on me with "Did you roll scum again damdred". Thats not normaly gb,You generally try to find out reasons behind someones read. you also went with the total lurker lynch instead of trying to find the scummiest person in the thread. So overall you are leaning scum to me gb, and you very well could be a good lynch. | ||
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What about those cases and reads you promised gb | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:55 GlowingBear wrote: I can be lazy as town and not deliver the case I promised at the right time. I've done this a lot. Like, lol. And you've only said 1 scum trait which is actually a null tell. You made a case on why you think someone is TOWN when he isn't really getting lynched. What the hell are you doing? I was asked for my read gb, so I showed why I thought what I did just posted my notes when i got home wasn't a big deal. What are you doing? | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:02 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lazy. And I was going to make a case on Kirby but now I think he is leaning town, so, meh. Who do you want to lynch day1 then, damdy? Not sure yet i got a few hours to decide that yet, misder has a decent shot with how hes approaching things. | ||
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Look at the other reasons people are giving for voting for people, not contributing, approaching badly etc.. So stop attacking me for not having a huge case on people doing nothing basically all day, gb admits to being super lazy and just fuck everyone else. And its not null tells gb its your scum tells. Oats you have no room to talk buddy | ||
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i've already said why i think your scum so theres that. | ||
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And whats bothering me is all of the votes near the end of his filter. His filter feels a lot like hes trying to find a safe spot to put a vote on and is jumping around a lot. Generally town might pressure with a vote but they don't jump around like hes doing looking for the easiest target to land on to see if he can get support. I'll try to make a case on him in the next little bit a bit more comprehensive. | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ohhhh noooo I have plenty of room to talk. YOU HAVE NO SCUM READS DUDE. This is false, I have three scum reads currently | ||
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2) I did copy paste notes its not that hard 2.1) Don't understand this? 2.2) I posted my notes soon as I dropped my wife off for work and came home 2.3) Nobody can require me to do anything someone asked me about a read and I gave them my notes, you did not take the opportunity you asked me if I was scum after I posted and i feel like being an asshole to you since I think your scum 2.4) Its not hard to copy posts I like into a page and then when I post put QUOTE around stuff... 3) I have 10 hours 9 now (or longer depending) to decide on who I think is a good lynch. kirby has a scum trait i pointed out. This isn't good reasons to lynch someone | ||
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On November 01 2014 12:01 Seuss wrote: Damdred, could you explain your town lean on jay for me? for you jay | ||
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And look at jrkirby he once again changed vote when it wasn't going in the way that he wanted | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Did anyone actually CLAIM Aldor Peacekeeper? someone bread crumbed it | ||
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Read that post gb, i put something in it so go look for scum somewhere else | ||
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So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. | ||
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i breadcrumbed in the post i linked you then increased the day length. | ||
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I have notes, i'd rather not crap up the thread with them all and i have to get my computer going. which person would you like them on | ||
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ObiWanShinobi- Overall feeling no clue. Can never figure out Obis meta, but he seems town. The posts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=19#366 seems a good mindset to have http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=19#376 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=33#659 Has tangible thought behind what he does. Compare it to Storm Mafia 2, or the game where he was scum that yamato did hes pretty towny and his mindset seems ok just wish he would give more content. LT- Null right now, his posts overall have been pretty trolly. Could possibly be mafia Jaybrundage- (notes redacted already in thread) Blazinghand- seems to be inactive leaning more towards scum meta with excuses to seem active. 10 hour dinner, next thing he will be posting boxes. Slam- I need to learn how to read him better, no clue Seuss- This guy seems pretty town currently, some concerns with the way he just hands out a few townreads but puts good pressure on me to give reads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23207450 backs it up witih a vote. Could be scum looking for a good mislynch but leaning town currently. risk.nuke- no clue inactiveish VE- Not sure content seems sparse compared to other games. Gives townreads without much explanaiton http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=21#408 Says go after risk.nuke lurker Not opinonated like normal, this ve could be mafia Liancourt- Jokey about being scum but can't remember much. HF- looks like hf from ffl, look more into d2 Ritoky- Town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=26#506 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=26#508 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#528 pressures people follows it up, doesn't just focus on less visible people and shows a willingness to lynch people regardless even if they have the biggest filter Misder- Fished for roles, could be scum not sure seems pretty lurky. Circumstance- Possible scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=10#198 Shows a bi tto much knoweldge could be a misinterpretatio by me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=32#638 Doesn't have a ton of reads showing and most of it is pretty easy to back off of. GB- (redacted thoughts are in thread) Jrkirby- (redacted in another file working on case) Oats- Brings attention to himself with fighting GB, can't really read oats well. He seems to have some thoughts and pushes gb and others, I think hes pretty towny but not sure. lets see if i did it right | ||
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And gb, more time to discuss and go over a lynch is better than no time especially when its me or policy lynches going forward. So yea i'd rather have more time to go through it and i'm a troll a bit to | ||
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GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not talking anymore. If you guys don't lynch damdred I won't play this game anymore, so you should lynch me. Bye. what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do. Good job gb is a good lynch then | ||
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His entrance to the thread was odd, GB pointed this out in another post but the first real post that starts raising my suspicion is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=11#213 At this point, circumstance is being put under pressure for a slip on a word and his reaction is being tested. And the response that is given before any real explanation can be had is that circumstance is basically ok right now. It feels a little bit like a defend before any real information can be found out feels like buddying and given out a pass for no reason. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=18#351 gives out another townread without any explanation or going back to it. What was good about hfs posts exactly? Also he talks about the cat a good bit in his filter which is safe for scum to talk about, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=14#270 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#283 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#293 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=22#421 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#493 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#494 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#496 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#526 Most of his second page of filter is talking about the cat safely. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#568 Wants to lynch a lurker who was not really active to that point, low hanging fruit. He then goes on to talk about rng some, he seems some what against it but once BH answers him he says this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=31#604 He has a town lean on GB but why leave his LT vote who he thinks hasn't done anything and is scummy and go to GB who he town reads. This is weird, it seems like hes trying to find a safe spot to put his vote it seems like BH might get some support in the thread so he moves his vote to go with it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=32#622 Doesn't look like the GB lynch will take off so he moves back to LT once he looks up the stats on RNG lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=35#689 Tries to find another spot to park his vote does not get the desired results chaulks it up o a misundersanding and moves on to misder http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#770 He then admits to being behind in the thread, goes on to say that he will try to read my filter again to answer gb http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#778 Never actually makes another comment about me (he has been absent though), and tries to jump on BH when someone else (oats) says he looks scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=40#791 Overall, He gives townreads without giving any thought, does not seem really to be scum hunting hes jumping his vote around to see what he can find easiest to lynch and really hasn't commented on a lot of burning issues. That in which he has commented on its been in a way thats easy for him to fall back from, I think he is scum and should be the lynch today. | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:22 Alakaslam wrote: So What else What do you want to talk about slam | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote: I mean... Meh.. I read it and i can see why you think he is scummy but a lot of it is based on just unexplained reads which you never actually got him to explain so that doesn't make him scum it just makes him unexplained. A lot more people also talked heavily about the cat, one of them being jay who you super town read so not sure how you think kirby talking about it is scummy and then the rest is i dunno.... Just not scummy? Yeh voting for gb is weird but looking up the rng stats just seems like a lot of trouble to do and somewhat tedious for mafia to give a reason for unvoting someone who has the most pages in the game when he could literally just say that. Finding bh scummy is towny though The main difference I think is that Jay pressures people and tries to get reads out of people I believe with the two, throwing out the cat parts ok thats fine. BH would be a good bus though. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote: Don't think this makes him town at all unless you think his mafia meta is literally to do nothing always in which case you are wrong. Every time he has been scum that i've seen (if you can point me to a game woudl be cool) where all he did was make excuses post during certain time periods and never actually commented on anything. So give me a game to look at so i can have a better rounded opinon then | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:08 Damdred wrote: 1) I was asked why i townread someone I answered 2) I did copy paste notes its not that hard 2.1) Don't understand this? 2.2) I posted my notes soon as I dropped my wife off for work and came home 2.3) Nobody can require me to do anything someone asked me about a read and I gave them my notes, you did not take the opportunity you asked me if I was scum after I posted and i feel like being an asshole to you since I think your scum 2.4) Its not hard to copy posts I like into a page and then when I post put QUOTE around stuff... 3) I have 10 hours 9 now (or longer depending) to decide on who I think is a good lynch. kirby has a scum trait i pointed out. This isn't good reasons to lynch someone There is my crumb. Then it happened, i did it | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:55 Blazinghand wrote: I don't mind the help, Damdred, but you 100% have to explain in detail your thought process between here: And Here: And it's gotta be better than "GB doesn't blindly believe my claim" It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Glowingbear Compare the two games, you can be passive about how you do things and passive about how you say things gb. You are being passive about how you do things | ||
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On November 02 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote: I've actually never seen damd make a case on day 1 and on for someone who is town even. It's unlike him. He usually just throws out questions here and there... lian is the only person to point this out, its a nice pickup i hate d1 try not to make cases but i had to today and tired something different that didn't work at all | ||
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I'm not sure at all why loan, would be making that post. There's a few good lynched in the thread and he will have to explain why its me later. We have 20ish hours to talk and decide so theirs plenty of time to get most of us on one target | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I just don't see it I guess? I can see what you're saying, but I'm still not going to vote him for it because I don't find that fact compelling enough to pursue. on phone so going to have to do multiple posts. this is his first defense of me besides asking a question to ve | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:26 Damdred wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#769 Read that post gb, i put something in it so go look for scum somewhere else my initial post explaining where I bread crumbed then obi started talking to he about if scum could get the role | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:41 kitaman27 wrote: Announcement ![[image loading]](http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/thumb/6/61/Aldor_Peacekeeper_(art).jpg/350px-Aldor_Peacekeeper_(art).jpg?version=2f367db08193e56a28565a3bfd188a7e) FOLLOW THE RULES! The day cycle has been extended by 25 hour hours. The day one lynch now follows a majority lynch format. With 17 players, 9 votes are required for a lynch. Day 1 ends at Monday, Nov 03 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) extended day before obi started | ||
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On November 02 2014 12:06 ritoky wrote: I disagree. I think his case says the following: 1) damdred had done nothing to the point where he deserved anything more than a gut read leaning town. 2) damdred was doing things that were actively anti-town and deserved pressure. 3) OWS comes swooping in and starts calling damdred town before he has really done anything 4) THEN damdred claims and gives reads so his issue is that it seems like you were ready to call him town pre-mature, before he had done anything to warrant it. maybe that's where you say the disagreement is; but frankly I am still waiting to see what he had done prior to claiming to deserve it. and not LT's weak BS. overall i think LT is wayyyyy worse than you. your reasoning is bad reasoning but at least it's reasoning and you stick behind it. LT just grafted onto someone else's point, and when asked for a reason made up some of the weakest shit i have ever read. didn't even feel like he believed what he was typing. would lynch him right now. please don't do that hf rit was spewing it for a few posts | ||
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Also we should consider GB at this point, hasn't delivered cases, play has fallen through the floor and is playing towards his scum meta really hard | ||
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Why circumstance? Why change off me? Why ignore everything that's been said I even wrote a case to ask me about missed? GB missed, is a policy lynch almost he's a lurker, did seem to fish some but nothing new to go on for me so idk what you want on that no new info to shape reads. | ||
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So you going to keep dodging or actually answer | ||
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There's been at least 6 pages on obi, I posted a case and you ignore all of that? | ||
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and no you in another post said the same thing about no.risk and another lurker so its like you just oicked one and will move to another | ||
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On November 03 2014 07:13 Lord Tolkien wrote: People I currently peg as solid town, HF: can never read him riotsky: i am sheep and HF is muh welsh shepherd (also other reasons that i dont need to go over) VE: double-lynch is always pro town, and my town read on him hasn't changed GB: meeeeeeta read, also he's not playing passive scummerdoge game Slam: his "theory" makes me peg him as donkey town lel Scummerdoges Jaybrundage: clearly not an OMGUS read, no siree (I actually want to see if anyone picks up on it) liancourt: (also want to see if anyone picks up on the reasoning here) circumstance: reasons, but because he's also clearly scum with liancourt This caught my eye who can tell me what's wrong and inconsistant | ||
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Now that he flipped mafia i feel a bit better but i wish i would of been on him early now.... | ||
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BH GB I think theirs a good chance theres a scum in this group. GBs play this game has felt like his scum meta and in the next day cycle I will have a case ready for the thread on GB that shows the meta side of it with his play and his hard defense of LT. Risk.Nuke made promises lets see if he can keep them, he didn't look good while he was here made excuses didn't really contribute. BH: Just not sure what hes doing thread prescense isn't where i'm used to. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Glowing bear has a few consistences with his game play that does not look like his normal town play or his normal thought process when town. If you look at what amounts to his first serious post it looks pretty decent, it seems like its pretty try hard and trying to pressure and get information out, but town GB would NOT try hard like this. On October 31 2014 11:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok people. I'm not kidding when I say I don't like this post. Mafia have a hard time to insert themselves into the game. Their posts, usually, show struggle to make a good entrance. In this post, this guy says the obvious and nothing more. If there is nothing suspicious and he is not willing to joke/engage into a conversation, why even bother posting? Also, saying he didn't play in a year sounds like someone trying to downgrade their play so he gets a free pass when looking suspicious. if you look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468642-avogadros-number-mini-mafia (avogadros mafia gb was town here) This is GBs initial response to someone being try hard like he was starting in this game On October 12 2014 06:36 GlowingBear wrote: LE TRYHARD IS STRONG IN THIS GAME When asked his why response was On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote: Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" On October 12 2014 07:19 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, I don't believe someone who joins the thread, makes thousand of questions and raises suspicions on little things. Specially on page 1. On October 12 2014 07:27 GlowingBear wrote: Answering damdred: Damdy, the easiest thing for mafia to do is to come early in the thread and try to look contributive until someone townreads him. I did exactly what geript is doing in Mission. I'm more inclined to believe that mafia would be this tryhard at page 1 than town. Throwing votes is town trait. Throwing votes without reasoning, or even saying he doesn't care is scummy to me. But too scummy to be scum. As I said, I don't want to discuss this specific point anymore. This seems like a vastly different opinion and actions then GB would normally take, and if I could be so bold GB would scum read himself for the very actions he does early. Now if you compare it to another scum game gb has http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia (arnie) we actually see a few similarities in the early game. On August 19 2014 01:15 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I was running against time because I overslept and was late to work. I won't be too much active today because I'm at work and I'll have a course which I won't be able to use my phone. Skimmed through the topic. @Damdred: I pointed out something which was odd, and that was giving free town pass to Yamato so early and the reason is that he was posting more one liners than on another game. Do you really think this is an okay play as town? Also, you overreacted when I pointed out that. Although I always have a scum read on you, this makes me feel that you are a good vote for today. @Robik: So, you point out that you think I'm scum and then you search for a post that you think it's scummy? Good thought process in there. You are also unusually lurking on this game. ##Vote: IAmRobik Because (i) your thought process is not natural, trying to force a scum read on a post of mine AFTER considering me scum for no particular reason, (ii) because you are lurking and dropping one liners in an unusual gameplay of yours. The thought process and tone of the posts actually seem pretty close together as what was posted in this game. Moving on, GB struggles as town to get his thought process and reasons for reading someone as a certain across In avo for instance look at the intial readings of people On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote: Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. There are a lot more prying posts inbetween this one and the next one but it takes a bit for GB to get this across On October 12 2014 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: On Geript + Show Spoiler [questioning] + On October 12 2014 06:26 geript wrote: Hello "town." Why'd you take so long coming to the thread? On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. On October 12 2014 06:37 geript wrote: If you're happy to play, then why are you bullshitting so much early? I don't think his massive questioning is a town trait. I think it's a scum trying to look like town here. Look, it's easy to start questioning and look contributive at early game. It's a good opportunity for mafia to gain two points. But check the second quote. He raises suspicions on damdy for saying that I might be mafia instead of being incisive. Should damdy be really that incisive when I've only posted twice? Why picking on this? He picked on this because it is easy to pick and look contributive. It's easy to see something little and question about it, specially when there's nothing to infer from it, and gain town points by doing that. I see much more a mafia doing this than a townie. Now, on DP "I have no idea about his alignment but I'll vote him LOLOLOL I DON'T CARE" Not caring is a mafia trait, right? So this is really scum. But isn't this too scum? Like, if you're mafia, you would risking posting like this? So, my conclusions on this post is 1) He is mafia trying to be read as town because he is too mafia to be mafia, or 2) He is blue fishing for a null read. He starts looking scummy but then goes to a town like position, which would make people only lean town on him. But talking about blue roles is stupid, it only helps mafia. That's why I didn't want to talk about it. This took to long, I think I made my point. and has to defend himself here On October 12 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote: It made sense to me at that moment. I've seen Haru doing the same thing as blue (team melee). Yes, it's not a good play, but I can't understand town motive behind saying "I'll vote for him without having any idea of his alignment because I don't care". Why do you come to the thread and say that? He said that damdy had shitty posts. My god, it was still page one. His only post was asking me what would I think if he called me mafia. Do you think this is so shitty to the point of a town being ready to kill a town? So, this made me think that he tried to open the game looking scummy. I don't know if that's because he is mafia trying to look too scum to be scum or a blue fishing for a null tell (he goes for a vote streak which is a town trait, objectively. Looking scummy and then trying to look townie would grant him a close-to-null tell). This was my thought at the moment and I was sure pointing it out would least give us information to work with. I will NOT read him solely on that and I think nobody should. But I think it's okay to use it as a secondary argument. Now look at this, he really struggles getting what he thinks across but the thought process is there, and it shows some form of progression and thought. Compare it to here initial read posts and onward On November 01 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote: VE is not playing his town meta HF is okay You have still to define your meta this game I don't like lian I don't like Kirby I don't like jay Oats has yet to define his meta this game That's all I have for now. And never really gives any explanations or reads after that and nobody challenges him but VE a bit but its dropped. What is GBs current reads? I couldn't tell you its not in the thread like they would normally be and they are really bland infact he himself says that hes being lazy and takes him over 24 hours (roughly) to even develop a case. We do know at one point he had mafia on BH, Me, nuke or kirby and somehwat not liking circumstance i'll give him that. And the circumstance thing kind of comes out of nowhere and is a lurker lynch basically with a few posts gb doesn't like. Now look at how GB approaches the lynch, basically says we are lynching Damdred or <insert other person name here>, he does not try to convince the thread or try to make a case on me (does make one on circumstance later but lacks real push I feel) refuses to make cases up until a point and says f u and leaves. If you compare this to GB in Fanasy Football or avo GB never does this, he might tunnel but he will pull out a case instantly instead of waiting hours even if it is wrong he is invested and puts time aside. His activity and push in the thread past the first spammy day has fallen through the floor, and it falls in line with arnie got a gun and with fanfic when GB would pull activity back and say he just can't do it. Compare it to fantasy football or avo and he 100% makes time for them. GB is scum | ||
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Either way Obi and Jay you both should claim probably since one of you are going to die. | ||
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On November 04 2014 12:22 Seuss wrote: Let me check off the scumtell boxes here:
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I figured its the most pro-town way of handling this I can empower if need be | ||
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And my *stunt* turned out ok got a mafia and 24 hours of more information | ||
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On November 04 2014 13:11 liancourt wrote: the end doesn't justify the means. So we got a good result, but that action was just so iffy. And you could have just not used the power today. Why did you activate it? ....what don't you get about AUTOMATIC ability, I don't get to choose when its used or on who. The only thing to do was inform town | ||
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On November 04 2014 13:18 liancourt wrote: so you had no control over it's activation today? You didn't send a pm to the mod saying activate this ability? It was just done automatically by the mod? I've said this a couple of times. Its an AUTOMATIC ability it was activated on d2 start I was informed last night | ||
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On November 04 2014 21:30 jrkirby wrote: He's been active, making reasonable reads, scumhunting, calling people on the shit i'd expect him to, not been doing suspicious things... pretty much everything opposite of you. What's your opinion on the jay/obs oblivion shenanigans? You guys had one job, and there was lik ea page and a half about it....good job | ||
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Though GB said I was town before he died. Anyway risk do something | ||
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Everyone speculated to a small degree on the nk you only scum read me for it others asked obi and jay to claim I only got scum read You ignore me actually making two cases to push the game forward and GB townreading me at the end | ||
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Either way your case on me boils down to don't like how I used my power, don't like my cases and I talked about something other people did as well. This is not a good case I'll give it a deeper response when I get on my computer | ||
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HF what do you think of Seuss his case on me and what not obi can answer to | ||
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Seuss actually looks really good with the pressure hes putting on I think and it looks pretty towny looking currently, was kinda eh on him before was probably omgus on today. I'm going to keep rereading this and i'm not sure how all of this got turned into hf is mafia and why ve went all crazy. | ||
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On November 06 2014 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure HF is scum, I'm sure that he's being really really bad at the game right now. I SUSPECT that he's scum, but frankly it's based on him scumreading me and that's never a good reason. If you rnot sure that hf is scum then why go so crazzy on him, a few people this game have said the exact same thing as you but you didn't go off the deep end and do all this so why now? | ||
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On November 06 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because it's all coming to a head now, when the lynch is on the line. That stinks of mafia pushing an agenda. Like, if you think I'm mafia then you've got to come up with some reasons because the ones you're providing now A) don't make me mafia and B) are easily explained. I care because I care about getting a good lynch in. AT the time I was pretty sure HF was town right? And if HF is town and I'm town then I have to be concerned about not just our votes but the votes of everyone else in town. And if HF is against a Damdred lynch, then me pushing a Damdred lynch A) doesn't get me what I want and B) makes me look bad (because I'm opposing someone who just lynched scum) so why would I do that regardless of alignment? If I'm mafia then I don't want to draw attention to myself and if I'm town then I want to make a lynch happen. It doesn't say ANYTHING about my alignment, what you're spewing right now, and I've explained it from my (townie) perspective. You're free to believe or disbelieve that, but to get me lynched you're going to have to either convince everyone else or bring some other more convincing points to bear. Could you talk more about this please, people know hf gets tunneled easily and he has even said that he doesn't have a rock hard town read on me. So why not put a case out there and try to convince people, there are at least 4 people in the thread that are slightly suspicious of me and think I could be a good lynch today. There are plenty of other votes that you could sway HF could change his mind with a good case so why not even try? A risk lynch isn't really drawing attention to yourself a Damdred lynch would be. | ||
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To continue i hit the post button a bit to soon, You say VE that town want to make a lynch happen. Most of hte time thats yoru top scum read right? I'm your top scum read, you should WANT to make my lynch happen like seuss is doing or did, you shouldn't just drop it in one sentence. | ||
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So talk to us and help us sort through this, calm down if you have to step away you can. | ||
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On November 06 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been doing that. All. Game. I've been trying to figure out good lynches. All. Game. Like, I'm JUST NOW saying fuck this and going away. JUST NOW! I haven't done that before now, I never "gave up" trying to find a good lynch when I voted risk.nuke as evidence by my filtering and subsequently scumreading Circ. I DID say that I wanted to lynch risk first, but from my perspective I've had reason to believe he's mafia since DAY FUCKING ONE! Anyone saying I only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker is a fucking LIAR or is FUCKING WRONG. I'm not saying you only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker at all, I believe there is actually a good reason to scum read him for promises broken and unable to give reads in the thread which has already been discussed before. But I don't think he was your top scum read going into the day and pointed out a couple things in your post, I just want you to calm down come back and decide if risk shoudl be the lynch today or if we should look somewhere else, and if we should send jay or obi off today. | ||
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On November 06 2014 05:15 ritoky wrote: Try to convince people that a) jaybrundage is scum or b) your abilities are more useful than his if you are both town. Also we should discuss the use of the powers as well, we know obis was voting day1 we don't know about d2 or he hasn't told us what they are. Jay did bring town into a bad situation if both of them are town which obi has been looking townish today, | ||
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If obi is being truthful and was scum he could of saved scum tolkien last night and forced a no lynch quite possibly. Which is total wifom | ||
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I'm giving the lynch a lot of thoughts, risk whole position is fuck you guys oats is scum. Doesn't really answer anything and dissapears again, circumstance is a coin toss as well basically. Jay and obi i'm not sure. Obi has been pretty towny today and there are some inconsistencies with jay I think. | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:48 Misder wrote: I think that jaybrundage vs ows is town vs town based on day 2's posting (I guess along with several other people). I'm going to keep my vote on ows though as I was getting town vibes from him throughout day 1. I honestly don't think risk is trying at all to stay alive. The thing about the wagon forming quickly with no opposition I do not think indicates that risk is mafia because I think mafia would prefer to stay in the shadows, especially since risk was on several people's scum reads, and it was probably likely that risk would die. ##Vote: risk.nuke HF vs VE thing: I avoid talking about these two since I'm honestly intimidated lol - I think HF is town. I guess I have a town read of VE since he gave me a chicken lol. I would have thought Circumstance's mafia friends would have told him to start posting again by now, though I guess he's not really under fire. Also, doesn't seem like jrkirby lost his vote. Either mods messed up or Damdred was lying about losing votes. Talk more about this if you will, So you had town vibes from ows day 1? Also talk mroe about the second bolded section, it doesn't add up going towards your vote. Why are you scum reading risk again? I'm not lying yo | ||
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is it balanced for town to have two ways to manipulate the vote by adding votes? This just struck me generally theres a balance, its true I can take away a singular vote, but for instance Misder was able to add 4 votes by himself yesterday obi could of added some or subtracted three. Do you think town has two vote manipulators? Or am i just to paranoid here | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:19 Holyflare wrote: true he did, so why didn't jr get it??? there was clarification made to me and I randomized selection between the two | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Why did you randomize it rather than picking the dude you think is the scummiest? Seuss looked really good today pushed a case no matter what people thought about it and tried to rethink his position and struggeled with it he looked realy towny through a lot of today. Jrkirby during night and when he was here looked ok he looked towny in some of the things he said today. I didn't know which to pick so i just let fate pick | ||
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It makes me play so horrible. The word was shenanigans, if you said it your vote would be taken away. Got clarification after more than one I had to pick between them | ||
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I lengthened day so what 24 hours more information I posted cases did stiff tried to be active and up front just kill me please. | ||
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Get scum read for nk and role talk, others talk about it there town lololol I lengthen day, we get scum more information I get scum read for it just get this over with please | ||
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I thought there was reason to svum read risk but then miser had that weird post that didn't make sense and the votes were really lopsided so I went with a gut feeling. He returned his post was ok but had a bad list post in it and the whole thing was over explained | ||
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I'm not exactly sure though if VE going apeshit is a tell of his though, if you go and read some of his Neat and Tidy (he was medic) he totally went crazy a bit during the game due to frustration and it looks similar to here. In his most recent scum game I think it was the anime game If orget the name he didn't go crazy when confronted or it was less so. I'm not sure if I would scum rea dhim just based on that | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:45 ritoky wrote: Claims: Town: ritoky - uther lightbringer HF - tirion fordring VE - Geblin Mekkatorque Everyone else: damdred - aldor peacekeeper misder - leeroy jenkins (said he was going to kamikaze, and didn't??) jaybrundage - jaraxxas (maybe gul'dan?) non-claimers: alakaslam Iiancourt Circ/CR oats I'm curious about the bolded, looking at his other powers he had i'm not sure if vote manipulation life tap whatever it was is in line with the leeroy jenkins claim, it could be i guess his votes could be like summoning for the enemy. Not sure need a full claim and explanation of his power | ||
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Why do you want to lynch me because seuss did at one point? That seems pretty stupid reason to lynch someone lol | ||
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This whole thing is fishy especially the invention given to hf to block all actions but not kp on people who vists (factional) maybe I'm being paranoid but something feels off, | ||
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Here's the suspicions, 1) Lian claimed to get an invention I believe the day(? Need to check this) ve said he didn't invent. Loan, descended this later. VE promises to talk about him but won't yet this Is strange it feels a bit dodgy especially from VE 2) we have two claims same day one watches an odd selection one visits VE who just so happens to break patterns on inventions. 3) VE wants to lynch me based on Seuss wanting to but ignores Seuss main push before death was on VE. 4) VE isn't keeping up in the thread it looks like | ||
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On November 08 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: I don't want to lynch Circumstance/Chairman Ray. He just got into the game. Circumstance was basically afk the whole game. While lurking is a scummy thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a busy/uninterested townie. So saying that giving Chairman Ray a chance to come back in the game and contribute would be good. Dramdred He always seems to be someone people are suspicious of. But then it never really comes to an actually lynch. I found it weird that he was a big topic of discussion but he wasn't even a real lynch candidate compared to risk.nuke and LT. As I mentioned before I didn't like him egging on the spat between HF and VE. Also him randoming the negative vote seemed really scummy. The other possibility is he is just bad town. He seems to be a bit clueless in some aspects of how he should present him self. Unsure. Oats is someone who had a good day one as far as I'm concerned. Day 2 was weird him and risk.nuke were going at it a bit. Risk.nuke was convinced that Oats was scum. And Oats wanted to lynch risk.nuke just as much. When Misder was provided as an alternative to the risk.nuke lynch. Oats was strongly opposed to it. And currently in day 3 with all this role/set up talk Oats seems to be thriving but he doesnt seem to be adding much scum hunting. I think he should be a possible lynch candidate today. Liancourt is someone that I don't even recall even looking at much. He is so forgettable and his filter is basically All one liners that don't seem to add much to the conversation. Day 1 I thought his questions were decent and he seemed interested in what was going on. But the problem is as the game has gone on the questions are comments seem to be the same. He doesn't make his own cases. I have never seen him have a disagreement with a player or a disagreement regarding reads. He just seems like sheep basically. And doesn't substantiate his own reads. Something to note here. While he displays alot of sheeping qualities he wasn't on LT's wagon. Now this could be irrelevant as when a wagon really gains speed mafia tend to jump in when they know it's a done deal but I thought it was worth mentioning. Very possible scum. Lie low, don't attract attention seems to be his MO. Very Possible scum. Here are some questions and observations for you, Why give someone a free pass for entering the game, he says he is going to catch up and is filter diving people but hes not really scum hunting per se hes trying to figure out peoples powers and has a claim thats the same as slams on the same night but that does not even enter into your list post. Why do you ignore that fact? Why don't you pressure CR hes a good player in his own right to give reads? Why give him such an easy free pass. Your read on Oats is shoddy to say the least, your saying that because risk said oats was mafia we shoudl believe him? Oats was correct in saying that people should of stayed on risk.nuke he was a huge question mark, so was misder at the time as well, there really wasn't much scum hunting to do at the points where oats was talking since they were talking about different claims and trying to figure out what was the truth. Why does that make him scum and the lynch today? Lian hasn't done much of anything all game. What good questions did he ask d1? What do you think of him saying i'm his top scum read but 24 hours past day start he hasn't even mentioned me? I think your post on me is bad, I have been bad power wise but calling me bad town I think is wrong. I've at least tried to put cases forward and try to talk things, I pressured VE I did not eg on a fight ty very much. | ||
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On November 08 2014 15:37 liancourt wrote: ok since everyone seems to be claiming and all i'll claim my d1 action which was if i forfeited my vote i could halve the number of votes someone received which i didn't. And my n2 action was that if the person i chose died that night that they would still be able to vote on d3 and picked rito. my current scum reads are damdred and misder. Chairman ray needs to fucking read everything and not play the game half assed because i believed that slot to be a apprehensive uncertain noobie playing which i didnt think to be scummy but genuine. So i'm willing to give ray more time to prove himself because i think he can play better from what i heard of him from other players. Damdred has been scummy since day 1 with his day 1 voting stunt and his day 2 "guess the word" shawanigans. i still dont understand why he used that ability day 1 to make it a majority vote which was risky as hell. The end was good in hindsight but the means were very scummy. Moreover, I dont see how u got a scum read on me so suddenly the only explanation i can come up with is this: It just seems ur copying what oats said and trying to find a reason that u see me scummy. And when i ask you to enlighten everyone of how i usually play you just go somewhere else and don't explain. Like do you really want me to be lynched? I even welcomed your case against me but you ddidnt deliver. Scummy. Misder after thinking for a long time and however far fetched it might be I think misder is telling the truth about the chicken and leeroy. Now some of u know the story of leeroy and going full retard in a dungeon on wow. He just went in disregarding any plans. To my knowledge in the video he didn't die (correct me if i'm wrong) but says at the end that he at least got chicken. Now i think that the fact that he has a chicken makes him not die when he goes leeroy. Now, i know the chances of ve giving the chicken to the right person (which is leeroy) is very minimal and if that is the case then ve and misder is probably mafia (kinda like what ray said). However, I believe that ve is a good inventor, he's been giving good inventions out and i don't think anything bad has happened to them. So i think ve got lucky in giving misder the chicken. So in conclusion i'd rather lynch damdred than misder. PS. To those who think i'm playing half heartedly, unusual, uninterested, god knows any other bad attributed words. I've played 3 games here. First game half the people thought of me as scum I tried my fucking best to please everyone and bleed town as best as possible, it wasn't enough. i got lynched and everyone fucking ignored my reads. Second game ended quite fast but nonetheless i was seen as scummy on the first day because i wasn't try harding like the first game. LOL. I was going for a different playstyle because it was tiring doing all the shit for nothing when no one believes u and ignores ur reads. So i played less serious, but i gave reads nonetheless when it was needed. No one really gave a damn then either so and the game ended. third game was resistance. The game kinda imploded on itself but nonetheless i tried give out my analysis I even made the 2 pools splitting scum and hypothesizing that there were 1 and 2 scum in each pool. I was right at least right when I looked at the game when it ended but no one gave a fuck about my 2 pool analysis and disregarded it. So now how do you think i feel when i give reads but they are just ignored? I just didn't try as hard as past games does it really matter since no one gives a damn about my reads up until now. Why now? Oh wait, it's because I'm scummy now for some apparent reason. Now I am at the center of attention lol Are you going to ignore my reads again today? Fuck psycho analyze this post and I want every fucking ppl to respond to me. Firstly please claim properly with the name of your character as well as the powers that you had if you would. You are scum reading me based on what exactly? Speculation about powers not actual intentions of postings in game? What did we gain in the extra 24 (25 with daylight savings) we gained information about people in the game and we gained a mafia death, it ended up getting me scum read but thats ok. I claimed my power i did it oh well, its not risky when you have a whole day to consolidate votes on someone risky would be if i changed vote format but did not extend time. You barely mention my d2 power but seems to play into your scum read, and i'm not sure why it would be I let people know what my power was did not want to say the word but people knew what it was people said the word someone lost their vote. Scum read on you comes from some of the way you approach the game, you don't give almost any insights your play has been lacking compared to other games even in games you laid back you stiill gave us something to work on and you really looked town in 2/3 of those games really all three. Your play leading up to the lynch where instead of being where we were trying to be involved in shenanigans or anything like that you were posting one or two things up to the last minute on things that were hours old, it took you over 30 hours to develop any form of semblance of case on me and your case boils down power use is bad, seems to parrot oats scum. Thats not a good case, or any way like what you have done in the past it feels like to me. Doesn't matter what happened in other games you are new people don't know how to read you in your first game i scum read you and then i turned on a dime and town read you as did most of the thread and yelled at the vig for taking that shot, in resistance everyone had you as town there was no doubt and people did listen to you but gave up on the game. I think the FF game where you laid back more well that was a shit storm anyway. The point is doesn't matter if people don't listen to you as town in your first few games you keep playing and giving effort and they will read what your saying and paint you as town its just the way it is. overall I think the case on me is lacking and how ve can say its a good push idk | ||
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Not sure what my explanation for thing shave been lacking. Because you basically REFUSED to read someone who had been extremely lurky who has not tried to push the game forward before his huge post (which is still debatable) and your only response was I'll do it later. And your read on him was one of the most lackluster responses i've ever seen you give and the only reason you are ignoring him basically is because it helps you push forward your agenda of lynching me. I'm paranoid of you VE because of your ability skipping a night randomly and then not missing a beat at all, that doesn't make logical sense but it doesn't mean your mafia. I'm paranoid of you because you got into a shit fight with HF for a little bit of pressure which does play towards your town meta, just becuase i'm paranoid of you does not mean your mafia. | ||
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On November 09 2014 01:05 Holyflare wrote: No you hid how it worked entirely Thats not true at all, clarification was made after the conversation had passed and I believe both had already said the word. | ||
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Also thats like the most wifom statement ve, i'm mafia because i made it a word that people were likely to say, so i could warn people so that I would look towny...its plausible though. I played bad with my powers but I feel like I did contribute to the thread in reads and what not aside from my powers anyway i'll start getting stuff together in case i get lynched | ||
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On November 09 2014 01:17 Holyflare wrote: I don't think I've ever seen lian make a case on anyone damd, why you saying he basically does and pushes ppl when that's not true? Look at resistance at all of the analysis he did and he was right on, the first FF game he did refuse to make cases but he 100% pushed the thread towards the lynch he wanted from moment. He only refused to make cases when his two scum reads were pressuring him. But he was really pushing the thread forward or trying to to that point at least and gave reads whenever asked | ||
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You literally are ignoring everything i've done or tried to do who cares if i was wrong or not i put the effort in and you are scum reading me basically for extending day and for having the power to take a vote away while btw 3 other people have that exact power. People have used their powers irresponsibly and i'm the one taking heat its really fair isn't it? If you read my statement I didn't deny anything I said your accusation was wifom | ||
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No matter what I say VE towards your question you iwll just keep painting me in a scummy light, you have already made up your mind intentions behind everything I have done. | ||
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On November 09 2014 04:30 ritoky wrote: I remember 1 time in some game I made a case on you cuz you were in another game posting a storm and tryharding like mad, and in the game with me you were putting forth no effort. Turned out in the game you were putting all the effort into you were mafia, and in the one with me you were town....sooooo this defense isn't compelling in the slightest. I think theres a different kind of effort put forth, the one where i was mafia (mission mafia if you want to look it up) i really didn't make any cases I think or just surface stuff and here its not so | ||
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On November 09 2014 04:47 kitaman27 wrote: Day Three Vote Count Chairman Ray (2): Holyflare, Damdred (2): VisceraEyes, liancourt liancourt (1): jaybrundage Misder (2): Chairman Ray, Misder Not Voting (3): ritoky, Damdred, Misder Chairman Ray is currently leading the lynch. Day 3 ends at Sunday, Nov 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Oats is crossed out and not in the not voting rit, looks like oats isn't getting a vote? | ||
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Lian is decently scummy his only substantial post is a long post that looks good until you read it, his case is shoddy and he spends more time complaining about past games then actually working on this game. And instead of actively trying to get someone lynched he complains becuase his target didn't get lynched. I'd probably go with CR still not having any substantial reads overall, its hard replaceing in i know but just nothing there. Its more of a toss up between CR and Slam i think Jays vote is the most damning to secure a lynch. | ||
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I thought I read I got a mason with it last night but I misread and figured maybe I could do stuff to show VE I was town and get his tunnel off me and he could spend the day looking elsewhere. after I reread my pm I was going to do rit and hf but yea just what it is | ||
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I'll get the pressure today I know not the person who said he was town but voted missed anyway so its whatever | ||
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D1 I was pulling a 16 hour shift and had to sneak into a closet to post my notes so that people would get off my nuts about them, extended the day so I could contribute more after I was off work and try to get GB off me which didn't work all it did was get be to tunnel me. D2 I told the truth about my power and then mod clarified something after convo was over did not effect the outcome. D3 I used my power in a protown way I think even tried to let people give opinons or thoughts on it. D4 idk just what it is | ||
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I guess I'll post reads when I wake up in the morning | ||
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No I don't think your mafia, I just know what's coming I think and you only being on me all game doesn't help town | ||
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loan is a good lynch I think. Jay is to maybe I started off the day with yes but I'm more sure of loan I think. | ||
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@rit I think a 4 scum team makes sense in the setup do it would most likely be loan jay and I'm leaning towards Cr | ||
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I'm not so sure hf would bus right there if he needs 5 mislynches to win. | ||
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On November 11 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like there's townie paranoia and there's reacting to a situation poorly as mafia. Which do you think is going on right now with Alakaslam? I'd say the first honestly, there's not a bad situation so far today as mafia me getting pressure and slam going crazy | ||
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CR we need reads from you, give them when you come back i'll be here or awhile i'm goin to reread some peoples filters. | ||
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On November 10 2014 13:07 jaybrundage wrote: I stated I would be happy to lynch between Liancourt and MIsder. i decided earlier in the day to put my vote for Liancourt because I thought Misder might be 3p and it is usually best not to lynch 3p's. But after talking with HF and CR it seemed unlikely that 3p was an option for Misder. So that left the possibility of mafia. My Liancourt vote got no traction for a possible lynch So instead of staying on Liancourt for no reason. As well as my preference not to lynch CR cause I didn't think he had enough time to catch up and contribute. I voted for Misder who I thought had a good chance of flipping mafia and whom no longer seemed like a possible 3p Why are you saying that your liancourt vote got no traction? Ritoky was suspicious of Lian durnig the day, Oas was, I was voting him. You did not push him almost at all it seems in your filter just that you would make your own party and sat there and talked about misder for the rest of the time up until the lynch. So how can you say it never gained traction when you weren't trying to push it? | ||
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On November 08 2014 16:24 jaybrundage wrote: What makes Dramdred a better lynch then the others? He'd been scum reading me for a couple cycles but then jumps on his weaker lian read never pushes it and seems ok voting with me at that point then hops to misder. Also his filter was primarily established d1, his play d2 onward has been really spotty and lurky. His yolo duel with obi still has a few problems with it, he was suspicious of hf and always scum read circumstance but trusted a case on obi that could of went either way. His power was somewhat anti-town and hes just skirted by since then doing bad lynch posts and jumping about in the votes. | ||
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His D1 looks ok in a bubble, it looks like hes responding to a lot of things and asking questions and being generally involved but if you look at a lot of his posts in the context of hte thread you will find that a large portion of the questions and remarks are catch up during EOD when most of the thread is consolidating on LT and trying to figure out his claims, instead of being involved hes in as obi put it in his own little bubble I think it was. He had several good comments about myself and my use of ability d1, he talked about a lot of easy stuff also like the cat for instance. But overall it was not a horrible d1 but did give what looked like town reads for little reasons. His d2 onward has been largely forgetable he put up a halfway case on me and continued to push me without much thought and has lurked for most of the game past d1 where I believe 7-8 of his filter pages come from. He looks pretty scummy in his drop of activity, lack of reads and progression as the game went on (he got stuck on me being scum and did not read many other people or let his thoughts be known) and has lurked hardcore. | ||
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Hes shows a good bit of paranoia at moments in the game and has some interesting theories in the game even if htey prooved wrong. I think his overall game looks towny for him and as oats pointed out he posts what he thinks and he has done so here and I trust him as town right now, he did go off a bit with the paranoid ve hf and rit scum team but overall I think hes town. I think VE rit and hf are town wish other people were here talking though | ||
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Instead of letting game stagnate I'm trying to push some conversation out there. | ||
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On November 11 2014 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote: You're just lucky that you're off the table without my vote Damdred. you have given me crap about not re evaluating the game but where have you re evaluated your read on me since d1... You haven't really just try to work with me today | ||
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On November 11 2014 14:16 VisceraEyes wrote: If he has "townies" in here talking about how townie it is to vote for himself, then how does his reaction NOT help that push? This argument is invalid based upon its very premise. its not towny to get frustrated and vote yourself, his posts overall seem towny overall in general. | ||
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I've thought about it, I've always liked crs slot for scum and if you compare what's he's doing here to number mafia its so drastically different. He's almost 100% scum. I like lian as mafia as well for reasons before I don't know though if slam or jay is the last I would rather wait to lynch them , but you raise great points against slam | ||
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On November 11 2014 16:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Damdred votes for me. If my tally goes up, lynch Damdred. Before I get on into this i went on and voted for you ve to proove my power | ||
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On November 11 2014 21:02 Chairman Ray wrote: I think Damdred is town. He's a towny town if there ever was a town. Damdred, when you get on gimme a town fistbump! This is the first read you have given all game CR. Why do you think i'm town? Who is the scum in this case? | ||
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On November 11 2014 21:49 liancourt wrote: don't try to misrepresent and twist my words hf. On page 77 slam said the same thing that u tend to misrepresent ppl to ur liking and that was like a breath of fresh air to me and it made me read him as town. I'm agreeing with slam about the mod confirm thing not complaining about it. scum is damdred ray and jay. i recall rit talking about jay and saying that his vote on lt was early and not significant at that point and i kinda agree so it could have been a possible bus, but his play so far has been pretty townie the way he is pressuring ppl so i'm really half n half, but through process of elimination hf, rit, me, ve, slam = town, damdred, jay, ray = scum. So you think scum jay would bus the fuck out of scum damdred on mylo? In fact why are you so fast to push for consolidation on mylo when we still have plenty of time and when their might be clear disagreement between town? You have basically said nothing for the past two cycles and everything has been Damdred, why are the other people you posted scum? Your scum read on jay doesn't really make sense either everything you pointed out make him town not scum, obvious if thats the case you should be reevaluating your town reads but you aren't. This is a bad post | ||
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On November 11 2014 16:04 ritoky wrote: Damdred's day 2 misder read condensed: Summarized: he thinks misder was trying to deflect off LT, thinks town having multiple vote manipulation abilities is imba and can't be town sided (hmmm yours would be the 3rd and 4th), didn't like posting/reads. Damdred's d3 misder read: You literally don't question him thoroughly on it at all, you're not confused by the function of the chicken; and you go from him being your top scum read and voting on him to not a mumbling word about him and accepting his claim as fact. Seems like a read progression that may come from a place of more information. IF I remember corretly I also said that his vote manipulation power could be like jenkins summoning things for the enemy to balance out his arrival on the field. Misders post was weird a lot of people agreed with me on that part. By the time we were about to lynch him I thought he couldn't be scum with the way his lynch looked so similar to risks it just felt off I suppose, how am i not confused by the function of the chicken i asked what the chicken did like 3 times? I still want to know what the fuck the chicken does, i think you are oversimplfying some things here rit | ||
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On November 11 2014 15:33 jaybrundage wrote: What is this lol. Towards the first part of the game I was leaning bad town on you. You did dumb stuff like holding your notes for some dumb reason. Using your power before providing your notes. But whatever. Later on with you egging VE and HF on I began to see you as more of a scum read. But you were not someone I had as my top scum read. I had people that I thought were more scummy and would prefer to lynch over you. Lian was someone that seemed like someone that had gotten no heat. And seemed like scum trying to slip thru the cracks with out providing there own reads. He made that one big post regarding you being a his strongest lynch candidate. Also Lian was not a weaker read at the time of me voting him. Why the hell do you think I would vote for a weaker read at the beginning of the day. I only changed to Misder who I stated was another scum read of mine previously. As well as me wanting to consolidate to make sure scum couldnt control the lynch as it was very close. Like VE has been crawling up your ass the whole day. And after scum reading him pretty hard. You then decide because he keeps pushing you that he therefore can not be scum. What the hell is that about. You did the exact same thing with GB. But here is the weird part when you feel that no one is going to lynch VE you back off and say how's hes town. With no other reason besides the fact that you can't lynch him/get him out of your face. But because I have been reevaluating my reads and thought that perhaps you might not be scum. You turn around and start calling me scum. It feels like you just want to make up reads. You just want to stick a read on someone and don't have any real substance or thought behind your reads. Between Liancourt and Dramdred I feel like there is one scum. I think I have been wrong about it being Liancourt. Dramdred 's weird as fuck power on VE in regards to taking away his vote. As well as throwing scum reads on whoever he feels he can get away with it on. Throwing a scum read on me just because I am not pressuring him. WTF is that? His complete backing off of VE for no reason besides the fact that VE wanted to lynch him and he couldn't get a lynch on VE feels so scummy. VE I got you bro. ##Vote Dramdred You still didn't address how your vote didn't pick up traction when you were clearly not pushing it. Instead of pushing liancourt you spent from your vote until your change basically talking about misder you never once push your read on liancourt never. It looks like just a way to get your vote off of liancourt and onto misder to secure a mislynch. And the vote wasn't close it was either misder or me or lian really he had 2 votes to misders 3 just like me. Like I said before I did not egg VE and HF on, I saw some inconsistencies and I pressured VE when VE started going over the edge I backed off and tried to stop him. If VE and HF want to comment here I would appreciate it and give their opinions if I was egging the fight on or if they feel like I was trying to participate and figure out some things. I think i've made it clear up to this point, I was highly suspicious of a few things with VE. Such as his inventions skipping a night etc (oh hey look in my filter for this) but I also said these suspicions didn't make him mafia. I never hard read him as mafia so this is a direct misinterpretation of what is actually in my filter. Or I found some real inconsitincies in your filter one I pointed out and you still didn't answer all of them. So no its not a scum read out of nothing I even was suspicious of you for your use of your power on obi so yea. | ||
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On November 11 2014 16:23 VisceraEyes wrote: To clarify: if Damdred votes for me and my tally goes up then he lied about the parameters of his power in an attempt to look more townie. There's no reason for him to lie about his power if he's town, and similarly there's no reason for him not to comply with this request if he's town. Furthermore this test doesn't confirm him the other way either - if he's telling the truth about his power then he could still be mafia, it just means that his power started off easily confirmable and he simply told the truth about it. This is simply to rule out one really easy way to confirm him as mafia. Now that this has been clarrified and shown to be telling the truth can we move on towards something else. I think i've answered everything posed towards me if i missed something just quote it and i'll try to answer it going to read some filters and hopefully people will show up and i'll have more to talk aout | ||
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Why not lian instead of CR? Why not actually respond to some of the things i've pointed out about jay and the other things hf? | ||
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Give us your reads on people, what action did ou have las tnight | ||
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But the "confirmed" townies during the mylo situation have completely abandoned us so far. Ritoky has misrepresented some things i've said and then ninja voted on CR without saying another word in the game or trying to figure out things and letting the thread die, his vote analysis have not led to a lot of conclusions. HF said for town not to give up but today he has not acted like a town leader that I know of in the past, he has just got people onto CR and fucked off basically. And his and VEs fight after rereading it feels really forced Seuss really might of been onto something on that point, like it really comes out of nowhere. The only thing that we have confirming them as townies is a mason chat that They have seemed to escape pretty unscathed this whole game, why shoudln't they of taken VE out once his inventions started flying around the medics were goin to HF and his invention did not block factional KP but just any action performed on him so he seems to be set up for nk but never did. Rit claims to have a bullet proof vest which is understandable can't really test it otherwise, besides that they have been pretty mum on their powers mason chat and hf still never said what they were. I might be going crazy but it just doesn't fit, slam where are you slam | ||
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Its really far fetched and if hf and rit die and one flips mafia other one would be to...i have to read hfs filter again | ||
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Oats ended up in a mason chat with HF as well but his was different and only lasted the day cycle instead of day and night I believe, and hf called him confirmed town as well. Though oats is town from flip. | ||
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Which in retrospect wouldn't be that hard as LT was a great ig shot if he even lived | ||
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Ve we could be friends and lynch loan | ||
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But Cr seems towny right now and is actually pressuring people relatively well it makes me nervous about the lynch. And your right its better to lose to a master plan like fake claim masons I'm not even that insane. I know it doesn't matter but I would feel better about a loan lynch today After the game I hope we can laugh about how bad I've played though | ||
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You have claimed 3 different actions on lian today....though it might explain why there was only one kill last night | ||
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n1: BH and GB die, nobody claims the big shot on either one of them. As far as everyone has claimed nobody had a kill power that night that we know of besides mafia. n2: Jrkirby and Seuss are killed. Misder has the vig kill claim on jrkirby but his ability says that he should die, he mentions in his post that he was informed that if two people shoots the same person rng determines which kp is counted I believe. By his ability+life mafia overlapped on him to try to get a mislynch he survived n3: Oats dies and only oats We attributed this to vig being gone, but I hold only one KP was ever in towns hands and that was misders power when he hit jrkirby. CR could be very well telling the truth and liancourt could be a mafia aligned vigilante | ||
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On November 12 2014 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: So wait, CR is claiming a track on lian AND a roleblock on lian? I think hes saying he lied about his first two claims but this one he breadcrumbed and is the real claim | ||
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HFs pick or scum team is not on the main voting wagon, but would scum CR try to bus scum Lian like this instead of just jumping on me or someone else? | ||
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I almost had it figured out, hf was so scummy this cycle blah. Totally good win scum | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:11 GlowingBear wrote: Also, jaybrundage's ninja vote at LYLO was pratically a scum claim. Bah. No way I would get the scum team, though. I've made so many guesses and all of them were wrong I was really ready to jump onto loan but it felt like ve was going to ignore me and rit was hereish | ||
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1) I really was at work during the notes debacle, I couldn't drop everything when I was under super pressure but I ended up hiding in a closet basically to post my notes. Which btw is the most stupid thing to scum read someone for ever, if i'm lying abou thaving notes i'm not going to make them up on the spot and comb through filters to fill them out. 2) There really was clarification made on my d2 power, i picked shenanigans to try to trap BH as I thought he was a good shot at scum but he was dead which led to me blustering in the thread to warn people. 3) VE SCREW YOU IN THE MOST LOVING WAY POSSIBLE | ||
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I still feel like i played bad but i dont' feel as bad now at least id idn't give up at theend | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:25 Alakaslam wrote: I gave up but I didn't cheat once I learned it was cheating and then immediately voted scum and said I wasn't moving ![[image loading]](http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/xDeal_With_It.jpg.pagespeed.ic.RX4hPJpUjr.jpg) I wasn't talking about you giving up slam I don't think you gave up at all honestly. You gave your opinons and you voted I wish you would of been here to try to help me pull rit off or maybe ve but i an't fault you | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You were obviously town. I called you town like early day 1 before you even realized people were pushing bullshit on you. Why did you vote me over jay? I was really being dumb and kept second guessing myself. I had a townread on both of you but his power reminded me of showdown power I had as scum, I really regret it now and that day. And yea you can usually read me pretty good obi | ||
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I made cases, I actually DID post notes instead of keep making excuses. You guys can say they are forged all you want but i was at work and had to sneak to do it... But yea | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:37 GlowingBear wrote: Come on. Someone makes a town case (his only case at the moment), says he copy pasted from his notes, gets immediately called out and required to post rest of notes, refuses to do, then posts notes with a completely different format from the town case. Like lol. Anyway, I ended townreading damdred. Which got me shot  GB you asked me to post my notes awhile after your first post after my town case was sarcasm you only asked about noted much later | ||
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I actually DID post my notes when I had time and people still don't believe me | ||
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ve never got over it and lol totes scum gb | ||
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it really annoyed me when we could of killed lian instead of misder and hf said shouldn't be the lynch and right hwne i'm trying to get people on lian. He says no we lynch misder, and then jay jumps to misder in one of the scummiest vote jumps ever. | ||
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On November 13 2014 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: How do I read you? Like whats the difference between your scum and town play? I think it really comes down to my reads and cases I put out, I really put forth effort this game and god i had almost a 17 page filter when i've never been above a 11 page as scum maybe even 9 lol | ||
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On November 13 2014 03:53 jaybrundage wrote: How was it scummy Lian and Misder were both scum reads for me. Ritoky asked me why i switched I gave my reasoning and no one brought it up again. I wanted to bring it up again and i did and you promptly ignored my point. It was scummy because you had a scum read on lian, and instead of PUSHING said scum read you sat bad and only talked about misder and then you jumped on misder when shenanigans could of happened. Your excuse was that you didn't have the support and it never got traction lol, you never pushed it you just afk'd a vote until you jumped on misder. | ||
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One day i hope rng lands on bh | ||
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