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On September 10 2014 00:16 HaruRH wrote: /in wat | ||
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On September 26 2014 19:38 KelsierSC wrote: Any chance we could have some of the coaches as players and get this thing started at the weekend. 4 coaches for a probably 6/7 man town seems a bit excessive Last newbie game I had 2 coaches and it was fine. Not always one of the coaches can even show up to help the newbie, because of timezones or work and whatnot. So 4 coaches for 6-7 town is ok. Also - vote no for coaches as players. | ||
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On October 02 2014 18:52 dusts wrote: /in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On October 03 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Don't worry, I'm definitely town! :D Time to lynch the crap out of you >:D | ||
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1) calling loafery town for something like this is either stupid or scummy. 2) On October 07 2014 10:33 loafery wrote: is more than extremely scummy.enough about games i've played on other forums what are we gonna do about this today, I'm apparently confirmed town we got 3 people here and I'm getting positive vibes from you two so I don't think you two guys are scum nothing really suspicious. 3) don't; discuss other games in here please. 4) this game does not use silent nights, you not only are allowed to, but you HAVE to talk during nights. 5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach. | ||
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On October 07 2014 10:36 Superbia wrote: I'm probably off soon, I'm expecting everyone to have said something by the time I wake up. Then I will point out scum and we'll lynch said scum. this ended fabulously last time, didn't it.  | ||
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On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote: Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. lolwat? Burn with fire. ##Vote : loafery | ||
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Why is it wrong to chase you. How on earth can you trust them based something like that. Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell. "I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever. there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this | ||
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On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote: I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. | ||
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On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible. I see no reason whatsoever for town to ever say "I am confirmed town" in such a situation. And I don't think mafia would rather stay low. We have people playing as scum in this game, not a computer on easy mode. I also don't see how what you did started any discussion other than what your other game's rules and setup was, which has nothing to do with the game here. (READ: post not worth of discussion) On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles. I don't understand this. Do you think people who play here do not have a brain or something? You don't need a high skill cap for this. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention. You weren't. You are now. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. This is an example of a scum mindset. Town hunts scum. It doesn't farm town reads. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. did he back off? Did he do it for this reason? FF please provide input for this. I don't believe this is the case. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. Pursue what matter no matter what? Would scum pursue any matter no matter what, if, as you say, they want to stay low and not talk about anything worth talking about? Would you say that talking about that other game you were in is more important and worth while than pressuring you on your slips? On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? I am not pushing your lynch. Yet. What are the vibes you are getting from me? Do you feel that town will win this game, if they back off when another player does a major slip, when he does an explanation which is, "I don't think what I did was scummy" ? One more thing. Comming back to this - On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote: But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. Do you think I am scum for doing this? | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:20 loafery wrote: Is there any reason why I can't call myself town? Those two seemed to read me as town so I followed suit. Calling yourself town and calling yourself confirmed town are two different things. | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:46 Fecalfeast wrote: this is all I really think about loaf I agree with you here, though. He did a scummy move by telling everyone to claim, then he took his words back, because he misinterpreted the game setup (which we have no real proof of, and this can also be faked) which makes you read him as town, instead of null, and then he pushes forward the fact that he is confirmed town, while trying to buddy you and superbia. So what is your stance on him now? Are you reading him as town now? Null? Scum? Also, as you yourself pointed out previously - On October 07 2014 15:16 Fecalfeast wrote: also I don't like this association of me and superbia just because we touched pinkies what do you think of this concerning his alignment ? | ||
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He can also be very very newbie at this, which is what we will find out soon, though to be honest, this post below On October 07 2014 10:13 loafery wrote: since 2013 so i've played for about a year and been playing live mafia also with friends so theres that too Does not help much in that regard. Also, to the list of people - also want to hear from Superbia. Let's get this ball rolling, people. | ||
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Also - yes, what is Town FF like ? | ||
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On October 07 2014 20:53 Superbia wrote: Nothing to add at this point in time. I'll participate more later, after doing my waking up rituals. I'm not planning to meta-read FF this game (especially early on) since I'm expecting newer players to switch up their game quite a bit (like myself). you don't need to meta-read, just share what is he (or was in that game) like as town, as you have more experience with him than we do. | ||
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On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote: Also abuse[/b] & loaf probably both [b]town. O_O. interesting. | ||
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On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote: It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. tell me what do you think about this post ? | ||
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First off, I like the push on Zen. It is why I asked Superbia what he thought of my post, since it was 100% saying what my post said. Also Zen, please respond to this question. On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote: Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. What did I say about loaf asking about roles thing? How can you disagree with it, while implying that you think what he did was fine, when I clearly said that I do not care whatsoever about that part of his posting, and that what buggs me is the confirmed town thing and the post after that? I want to hear a defense from Zen, addressing everything Superbia said, including the fact that he both did and did not read my posts at the same time. Everything loaf has said so far has been trash(sorry bro.), so for now I believe that he is more likely to be donkey town than scum, as his crappy defense and crappy reads have been consistent throughout everything that has happening so far. Basically he is a coinflip for me currently, but i am less inclined to think that he can be scum. So. ##UNVOTE On October 08 2014 10:10 Fecalfeast wrote: If only I knew what town superbia was like, I would even buy your idea of me trying to emulate him but alas, I know him only as scum. The game where I played with Superbia, we were both town. He tunelled me HARD and was wrong to do so. He actively pushed his thoughts though and did make a few cases (pretty much all of them on me though). He liked to scew information that would match his case, even if it meant taking things out of context, and he completely ignored some posts, if ignoring them would help accuse the one he wants to push. He also pushed until the absolute last moment, when it was clear that absolutely nobody in the thread is biting on the push. He seems to still be active to push people in this game aswell, so I am leaning town on him currently. He also seems like he has improved a bit, as his current push seems more logical than he had when we played together before. I disagree with the statement previously, that lists are useless. They help town a lot, because it is a problem for scum to decide where to put other scum, and can be used to track people's thought changes which should be logical for town, but not as logical for scum. I think we should all share a basic readlist at some point before the deadline. I will do so aswell later, when I read the thread more thoroughly. | ||
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First off, I like the push on Zen. It is why I asked Superbia what he thought of Zen's (previously was written as "my post" ) post, since it was 100% saying what my post said. | ||
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On October 08 2014 16:49 Fecalfeast wrote: You like the push on zen but you aren't voting for him? You voted loaf so quickly. There was a reason for that, as I needed to actually push loaf to get a read on him and get some discussions going. And I did get a kind-of read on him. As for Zen, it is not a wagon I started, though I do agree with it currently. I am not one to throw my vote around too much. I will vote for him when I am more convinced on the matter. I want to hear his defense, and I have not read the thread as well as I would want to yet. I did note that everyone's reaction for the case on zen is more of "I want to protect him" compared to "I want to vote for him" when the case was on loaf. Interestingly, even loaf is defending Zen(with not very good reasoning, from what I skimmed through), even though they are the only 2 wagons currently. I will post a hopefully large post along with my reads and thoughts later. | ||
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About dusts, he is a friend of mine IRL and I asked him why is he so inactive, and he said he has a really tough time at work at the moment. As we are nearing EoD and we need to get as much on the table as possible for the best vote we can do, here is my potential mega post. First off - let's drop the ##FoS stuff. FoS is a good way for you to point fingers without taking any real responsibility, and we do not want that. If you are confident on your reads and are ready to answer for it, then vote, if not, then keep playing and finding information until you are satisfied with voting for somebody. In no particular order - my readlist with comments. 1) FecalFeast at first I really liked this post of his where he does not want to be associated with Superbia , because I think that this kind of post 90% comes from town. He does not trust superbia enough to want to be associated with him. Scum should be happy to be associated with a townie (if he is scum, he knows who the other scum is, so he should know what superbia's alignment is). This can be faked by scum, but I do not think a newbie scum would think that far and if he did, he wouldn't think that anyone else in the thread would notice this. This is not a strong ready, but it does lean fecal towards town turf for me (obviously, if they are both scum then fecal would also not want to be associated with superbia) I like that he stayed null on Loaf for the beginning of the game, and I liked that he said that the push itself is good, but people jumping on the wagon so easily is not as good, without any new reasoning. I agree with this. I really liked called Zen out for at the end of this post I agree with this. Also, his defense to what Rad is saying seems plausible and genuine. On to things that I don't like. This post. What bugs me about this post, is that he really likes this post, which basically trashes loafery, but still he reads loafery null. If he likes this post so much, why does he not let it influence his read on loaf in any way whatsoever? As well as the almost-blind-sheep of superbia's case. Fecalfeast - I have 3 questions for you. Let's imagine that null is not an option for answers. What do you think is the alignment of : Elvis, Rad, loafery. I am reading Fecal as town at this point, but I do want an answer for the above questions, as well as the elvis post reaction. Superbia I understand why he does not read loafery as scum at this point.(what he really thinks of loafery can be seen here) Loafery IS a coinflip at the moment, for the most part. (though I would say that there is a bigger chance he is scum than town, i briefly explain the loafery situation later, in his segment). What he did is understandable, and I would like to clear this up for some people who were pushing some fake suspicions. He liked the push on Loafery because it made people show their thoughts and made everyone have an opinion on loafery. At that point, it did not really matter what loafery's alignment was, because it was possible to read everyone else in the thread based on their thoughts on Loafery. Which is also, why he kept asking for thoughts on other people except for loafery while the push was happening. He also even asked loafery himself, what were his reads on other people, to which Loafery did not answer to a good enough degree. He also, just like Fecalfeast, caught that Loafery is unwilling to call people scum. He is hesitant. Proven by him wanting to call me scum but not calling me that in this post. He is confident in his case, and it is not a bad case. Things I don't like: + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 07:41 Superbia wrote: Day had just begun and he is the center of attention. Don't expect too many genuine reads from someone in this position. He was rather quick to call people town, but everyone has their own play style. Also, FF was rather quick to trust me, wouldn't you think? Nobody commented on that. I've played with some veterans by now and some of them don't even know what roles are in the game by d3. Did he talk about he himself being a newbie? Please link to post. FF himself did comment on that, and said that he does not want to be pushed together with superbia just because they touched pinkies. And for the second thing - him not seeing loafer saying that means that he did not read loafery's posts well enough. Which is partially explained by him thinking that loafery is donkey town, but still, how can he be so sure on the donkey town claim, if he does not read the posts enough to see something like this? All in all - Superbia seems town to me so far aswell. Rad His first posts, questioning why superbia and fecal both called loaf town were good, and follows with good questions towards loaf. I really liked the way he latched on to zed's words basically saying "If anyone sees anyone scummy please share". I agree that this is a scummy post, and he gets some townpoints from me for pointing this out so quickly. Asking elvis about the newbie card was also good. Another note about Rad is that he was the only one to want to discuss dusts at this point in the game. This is a double-edged sword though which can have both town and scum motivations. Please do take note of this though, because his further actions will make it obvious which motivations were in effect here. What I don't like: this post Why would he defend Zen before zen does it himself? What possibly be the reason if he does not know Zed's alignment. He also does not want to vote until close to EoD, and currently there are no clear thoughts of his on the table about anyone except Fecalfeast (which does not seem like a legit push by the way.) Why is fecalfeast a better candidate than loaf, Zed or dusts? This does not make much sense in my eyes. What I want from Rad: 1) Thoughts on everyone so far. 2) a vote a decent ammount of time before EoD.. Your words do not mean much. Your votes do. It is not in town's interest to withold your vote until the end when you have to vote. Put down your vote. Explain why you are doing so. I think he is a good player, he asks the correct questions in most parts, but when it comes to accusing someone, he does it with not good enough reasons, and IMO on the wrong people. So, current read on Rad: Somewhere between null and scum. Breshke Okay I am not going to go the way I did with everyone else here, by the formula of what I do like and what I don't, instead I will go chronologically. I liked how he questioned loaf on why he does not read the OP and understand the game setup if he has played much harder setups before this. This was a good catch. Then this happens.. On October 07 2014 15:25 Breshke wrote: sorry guys ive been fairly sick so my sleep routine is all over the place at the moment. Loafery why did you decide to refer to yourself as confirmed town? I was actually reading you as town until you said this. You shouldn't try to be using yourself misreading the setup to prove you are town it can easily be faked. - Okay, good. Then soon after this happens : + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2014 21:54 Breshke wrote: So i also just want to get all my thoughts about Loaf down. At first his dumbtell made me really think he was towny then Calling himself confirmed towny really gave off bad vibes. Also loaf you say most games you played in were complicated having multiple power role setups so do you not read the OP in most of your games to better understand them? At the end of your post here it seems like you were about to give a read on abuse then kind of didn't. Would you mind teling me your thoughts on him? Why did he feel the need to say this again out of the blue? This seems scummy. He then also catches how loaf did not want to call me scum based on the post he did. So.. it seems like he is not thinking highly of loaf, right..? He also posts, talking to loaf, questioning loaf's reasoning for calling superbia and fecalfeast town, merely for thinking loaf is town. Why is that townie, but if I read loaf scummy, then that makes me scum, though it is basically the same thing. This is very correct analysis. but then.. then.. I don't even.. Then THIS happens. + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 09:47 Breshke wrote: No im saying if we all sat here and just said we were town mafia would slowly kill us and they would win. So instead we try and find the mafia and lynch them. Also people pushing lynches gives information after the lynch happens as well so its also good in that way. Of course mafia can push lynches but its the reasons they push lynches for that you have to look at and where they flip there reads and what not. Also i like this post as i was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it. I mean seriously? That is all it takes to completely flip and read him as town? Wow.. Then this post.. What he basically does here, is he defends Zen, and votes him in the same post. I mean.. what? He then goes along with Rad's read on fecal, based on the fact that fecal is sheeping superbia, even though he does not want to be associated with him. Which would be a good argument if superbia's case was bad, but it isn't. Superbia's case is pretty good. Why is voting based on it bad? It isn't. He also proceeds to defend Zen. WHY is he defending Zen? Zen's play clearly has flaws at this point. His defense is very much needed otherwise he is the prime candidate for being lynched D1. Why do you defend him, instead of letting him do it himself? Final thoughts on Breshke: The problem here is that we only have 2 scum. And he has made a very questionable flip on loaf, AND he defends Zen for no real reason. If there were 3 scum in the game, I would say that this game is solved already. But there are only 2.. Either way, I do not feel that the actions he made are towny. Currently - Scum read on Breshke. Zen Okay first off, saying it blatantly as it is, - His first large post is 100% copied from what I had already said at that point, just all put together in 1 post. I don't even know how to read this, since it has never happened before, but I sure as hell do not feel comfortable with this. Also as Superbia has pointed out, he has basically both read and not read my posts beforehand which is not logical. Put simply - he lied. Also, as others have previously well pointed out, + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. This post is bad and scummy. Town has to find scum themselves, they should not wait for others to do their job for them. He also says that loaf is his top scum read, and he has no other scum reads, but yet, he thinks that i have gone too hard after him by voting for him. This is contradictory. Why is he partially defending someone who is his only scum read at that point? Also, this post begs the question. If I, abuse, am town, then why would I be afraid of dirt throwback at me? Why do you, zen, even think this way? Why are you afraid of a person who you think is scum, and are accusing of being scum, would throw dirt back at you? If you are afraid of this, how do you even plan to win the game, by never confronting them? If you think someone is scum - VOTE FOR THEM. that is all you can do as a VT. That is your weapon, and that is a weapon that you should be using. Also, please take into account everything I wrote about Zen previously, after skimming the thread ( a few posts above). So far I read Zen as scum. Elvis! First off, not game related - Elvis, are you the same ElvisUptown from Q3, who was also from germany? :3 Game related -> The case on Loaf was okay, but it was an easy case to make, as loaf was already under pressure. I don't like all the subtle "I am a newbie please do excuse me if i slip up somehow" he is expressing. If you are town you should be confident if you want your voice to be heard, and if you want it to influence the vote. If you are scum on the other hand, sure, you can give excuses as to why people should not read too much into what you say, because you are a newb.. This is a newbie game, everyone here should be a newbie. The only exception, it seems, is that some people have read this Extremely helpful post and some have not. Another thing I do not quite understand is, if you understand, that the push I did on loaf was mainly to get everyone talking, and to get information on the table for everyone on everyone, as your posts suggest, then why do you not understand, why does Superbia not read loaf as scum? (posts about this can be found in the filter). All in all - reading Elvis as null. Too early to tell what alignment he's leaning for. Loafer Honestly, I do not agree with anything that he has said. All of his reasoning is flawed. As many have pointed out already.. I will add a few more more things -- Why does he read me as scum, because I pressured him, but he reads Zen as town, and actively defends him, even though Zen has the exact same stance as I do, and he even copied what I said? Hell, he says that I am trying so hard to lynch him(loafer) but in fact, Zen has had more presence for that than I have. Then there is also this post. He reads Superbia as scum, because he is, supposedly, lurking in the background, without giving any information. Then he says, in this post, that making huge posts is towny. Superbia made a huge case on Zen. Everything that loaf had on Superbia should have disappeared. But, in his mind, It didn't. Superbia is still scum for the same reasons in his mind, yet the reasons have disappeared already.. Sigh. Read on loafer - either donkey town or donkey scum. Too early to tell, i think it should be settled later by PoE. dusts complete and utter null. | ||
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On October 08 2014 21:28 The_Zen_Man wrote: ( a post about why superbia is supposedly scum ) ##Vote: Superbia Welcome back to the thread! I am not sure what this post was, basically it just looked like pointing fingers at Breshke, and voting for Superbia. Looking forward to your defensem, addresing all questions that were posed to you, including why did you lie about reading/not reading my posts. | ||
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On October 08 2014 21:43 LoneMeow wrote: Please do not talk about game-related things outside the game thread. This includes asking your IRL friend why he's inactive and such. Sorry, didn't think it would be so strict. Just wanted to poke him to play more actively to have a better experience here, and maybe stick with the community after the game D: Noted though, won't poke him anymore~ | ||
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On October 08 2014 22:03 The_Zen_Man wrote: Oh, before i forget. You asked before about the roles thing: This is what i was referring to: What you implied was that I put much emphasis on thinking that he is scum for not understanding the game setup. What I did, and what you quoted, was asked why does the person read a person more townie than before, because he misunderstood the setup. I did no statements in that post. Nothing that could show what Is my stance on loaf based on that. I asked a question to another player what they think of it. Also - as for your defense above, I do not think it is a good defense. You say you wanted to post with a fresh perspective, yet you quote both mine and others posts in your case on loafery. And you kind of read my posts about him before, but apparently not really. This does not constitute a fresh perspective. If you decided to read what I said about him, you should have noticed what I had said, and that what you are saying is the exact same thing. Why would you even post a huge case, without reading the entire thread up until that point? How can you not be sure that you did not miss anything, and that your case is not filled with flaws, if you did not read things properly? | ||
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On October 08 2014 22:26 The_Zen_Man wrote: You say he did a "scummy move" by telling everyone to claim. Maybe you meant something different, but you did call his move scummy and to me that felt like you critisized him based on that move. (the move being the whole role thing) I said it was scummy, and then , in the same post, right after that, basically said that him retracting those words soon after should have brought him back to null, but fecal read him townie after that. So what you thought was wrong. On October 08 2014 22:26 The_Zen_Man wrote: I quoted your post once because i saw that you also wrote about the confirmed town thing. I never quoted anyone else. I only quoted you because i felt the "confirmed town" thing was pretty serious and wanted to emphasize this. And i read some of your posts, yes, but not all. I don't know what is unclear about that. Also, as i pointed out in my defense, by post was not exactly the same, i had atleast one argument that you did not. For making everyone's life simpler, please show that argument. On October 08 2014 22:26 The_Zen_Man wrote: And the reason for posting a case without reading the whole thing was simply because i wasn't gonna post in a while and had an oppurtunity then. I clearly said that I hadn't read the whole thread carefully, but I did still come up with an argument you did not so I think that my post was worthwhile, even if it only was one argument. That didn't end very well did it. Your post was worthwhile, but not because it was one argument. It was worthwhile for the reason why you are under pressure now. If you are actually town, hopefully you take something from this for next game. At the moment, I personally, am not swayed by your defense. If you want to be cleared, give input on someone who you think is really scummy. Your case on superbia, at best(though I do not even think it does that) just plunks a few holes in his case on you, it does not make superbia scum, so your vote on him does not seem justified, and just feels like you are trying to get back at him. Do you really think superbia is scum, just because he didn't treat you and breshke the same way? You and breshke were not in the exact same shoes, even if you were, why are you yourself not looking at breshke? do you really think that "Superbia is scum, even moreso than loaf". I mean really? Moreso than loaf, even though you made a case like this on him, and objectively your case on superbia is only there because he made a case on you. What you are doing now, is you are making posts without reading the thread properly, and this is causing confusion. This is anti-town and fits the scum agenda. That is why you are being voted for.. | ||
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for now. @Zen, the answer to your bolded question is in my large post in the superbia section. I've also mentioned this in my large post, but why are you afraid of dirt throwback? Dirt throwback is the best way other townies can see the person responds to pressure, which often gives more information than the push itself. dust, please say something and vote for somebody, to avoid you being modkilled... | ||
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I think zen is a good lynch, but if we consider that this is a newbie game, there is a wildcard that he can be a town that messed up very badly, so the chance of him flipping town in the end is there. even if not a big one.. Also more people need to step up and voice their concerns and their thoughts on everyone.. Currently people not laying their cards down about everyone else will hurt us a lot on D2.. I'd much rather go into D2 seeing how people read others before we received at least 2 flips via D1 lynch and N1 kill.. | ||
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Superbia, get the ball rolling. What are your reads on everyone else other than zen? | ||
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EBWOP. My point mainly being, that if we do not lynch scom, or scum is not modkilled then we as town have nothing to really go by at the start of D2.. no rel analysis to make, as many people did not even interract at all with each other. Superbia, get the ball rolling. What are your reads on everyone else other than zen? | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:23 Superbia wrote: I have the ball rolling already dude. We're also not lynching a lurker. They get modkilled or replaced. It's a waste of a lynch. My circles: town: abuse leaning town: loaf fecalfeast Rad null: Elvis! dusts scum: The_Zen_Man breshke Alright. If he gets replaced then I'm good with this. If just modkilled, then, as I said, im not sure 3 people dying before D2 is a good thing for us to happen.. your list is well noted. Rad, since you are here now too. What do you think of other people other than fecal and zen? (though i would like to know what you think of fecal at the moment aswell) | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:34 Superbia wrote: I don't think zen is a wildcard newbie lynch here. Usually the wildcard lynch is on someone who is controversial, which was loaf. The more I interact with zen the more I'm liking this lynch. If you have some time today I would really like it if you could put some pressure on breshke (i.e. second wagon). I'm sticking to zen because I believe in the lynch and I'm also leading the wagon. Well my breshke case is in my megapost. He is by no means town in my book currently, and I hope people see what I wrote there. | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:58 Rad wrote: I will say that the whole "you're friends with dusts" and "didn't know it was that strict" thing has thrown me for a brainfuck of a loop. . pls clarify? | ||
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On October 09 2014 04:07 Rad wrote: You didn't know the game was that strict, and dusts doesn't seem to be interested in playing. How do I know dusts didn't tell you his role? If he did tell you his role, what does that mean in regards to your recommendation to lynch him. Mix that with your considering me leaning scum. It's a logical brainfuck and I don't know if I should ignore it or try to figure it out. The answer is fairy simple - why on earth would I ruin a mafia game that I have waited more than a month to play in by asking for his role? We haven't talked about anything game related so don't concern yourself with that as it is against the rules of the game. It should be just as big of a worry as it is of any other player asking someone their role via PM. Also, don't worry about WIFOM and whatnot. Lists are not as bad as you make them to be. Having lists is better than not having anything to go by and makes it harder for scum to hide. | ||
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On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though. Dusts: *tumbleweed* Rad:town, actively looking for more scum even while there's a wagon. Super:null/town, the big instigator of the wagon. No counter wagons and a rock solid argument. Why null/town and not town? Weird gut feelings that i can't explain. Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either. Elvis:scum/null, i hope he posts more, currently he has no vote and was only voting on loaf because he had pressure Breshke: scum, pretty similar story to zen-man, i think this is a really good person to look at after the flip, or even right now. I would but i have already screwed this post up many times. Thanks phone. Everyone else: null or i don't remember your posts Did you, like, even read any posts posted today? | ||
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On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote: Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2. so if he flips scum you won't reevaluate the game? are you so completely sure that breshke is the 2nd scum? | ||
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On October 09 2014 05:59 Superbia wrote: Feeling a little iffy, but cross your fingers boys! :/ | ||
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I am not a big fan of posting during the night, so my more important post will probably appear near the end of N2. Meanwhile, everyone please reevaluate what has happened so far, and who had what kind of interaction with zen. Who could have acted while knowing zen's alignment, to get town points or to push zen without basis and or in a scummy way. and yes @Mods what will happen to dusts? | ||
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On October 09 2014 06:08 The_Zen_Man wrote: Well, that was a short time played, though it was fun getting some of the old mafia action. Hope you guys do well here, and goodluck. You will be avenged. Hope to see you in more games, and making cases after reading the thread more carefully! | ||
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On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote: oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me. I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed. Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard. What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself. Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care? Please do share, and make it good. Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff. | ||
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On October 09 2014 15:25 Fecalfeast wrote: So I spend the time to re-read the thread to see if I missed anything and get scumread for it? Nice. I am not scumreading you yet. I am doubting you not because you spend time to re-read the thread, but because you did not read something like that carefully before EoD. And because of this - On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either. Is that really all you have to say about me, if you had read that post? Because this quote implies that you ignored that post completely | ||
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Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1). | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:49 Breshke wrote: How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already. You'll catch it either way during D2, so don't worry. On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote: Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post. That's a good point, but there is a reason. | ||
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I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.) | ||
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1)Breshke spends the first half of day1 criticising loafery as loafery was the first wagon to be made. His first post on the matter comments on loafery saying he is confirmed town. (post)This post by loafer is scummy in every person's book who has ever played mafia, and it was already being pointed out by others in the thread. Afterwards, just a few posts later, he feels the need to say basically the same thing again in this post. This is scummy, because town have no reason to post the same thing again, if they have already said it once, especially if it already being discussed in the thread. Scum on the other hand do type this kind of things, because they want to show the thread that they are also a part of what is going on. As scum have more information than town about the roles in the game, they have a guilty conscience when it comes to discussing about people who they already know everything there is to know about and this one of the ways how it manifests itself. The fact that Breshke "suspects" loaf is also shown in his post here . He later starts teaching and explaining stuff to loafery, shown in his post here . Afterwards, this post happens: + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote: Also i like this post as i was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it. He instantly drops all suspicions on loafery and calls him town, after loafery does a 1 line post about superbia staying in the shadows. Please note that at this time, pretty much nobody gave any reads out at all. There was no case at all available, except my push on loafery. Why would you drop your suspicions so easily? Also the phrase "I was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it". These thoughts of breshke have not been showing up ANYWHERE before. 2) AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. Superbia made his push on zen, and it was getting mixed responses but mainly positive ones, and many people demanded Zen defends himself, but he was nowhere to be found. Breshke, makes this post: On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote: I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man Let me walk you through what has happened here. Breshke, without mentioning The_Zen_Man even once during this entire fiasco, has, in one post, defended The_Zen_Man. has called him null, and has voted for him. This makes ZERO sense as town. Town does not know what Zen man's real alignment is. Town only knows, that Zen has a case about him, and he is being held under suspicion. What is the reason for defending him? Why would you not let him defend himself, to read him even more and that way find out if he is scum or not? Now, if you are scum, and you KNOW that Zen is town, then you CAN defend him for no reason, to get town cred when he gets lynched. But to not be noticed too much, you also throw in saying that you think he is null, and after all that, you make your very first vote of the game on the person who you just defended, AND who you called null. And this person is also somebody who has had lots of controversy around him, and you are pretty much the only person in the thread who has not even mentioned him up until that point. This does not make sense from a town perspective. This is a scum jumping on an easy bandwagon, while trying to not seem too pushy by defending him also, and calling him null, while letting others do the push itself. 3) He reads Rad's push on Fecalfeast and soon after votes for him. What happens here is Rad pushes fecalfeast and FoS's him. (note, he does not vote for him). Breshke shows up, asks Rad to vote for his biggest scum read (who is obviously FecalFeast at this moment) [post] The discussion continues a little, and Rad makes this post: On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote: Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen? What happens next, is Breshke (WHO HAS A VOTE ON ZEN HIMSELF AT THIS POINT) posts this, and VOTES for Fecalfeast. + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast So basically, what he does is ask Rad who his scum read is, and who would he like to push(while in the previous page, Rad has already FoS'ed FF and has pushed him), and then drops his vote on Zen, to vote for Rad's push, because of a reason, that he himself qualifies for. (Rad asked if Breshke is satisfied with FF having his vote parked on Zen). 4) EoD During EoD, everyone started posting lists after my and Superbia's incentive. This is breshke's list : + Show Spoiler + Town Loaf Abuse Superbia Leantown Rad Null Elvis Dusts Leanscum Zen Scum ff Breshke still, posts his top scum to be FF, yet votes for Zen. And another interesting thing is Loaf is at the top of the list. why? Has loaf caught any scum? No. Has loaf done any real work in finding scum and has he made any case on anyone so far? No. Why is he at the top of the list? Nobody else here reads loaf as town. Most people read him as either donkey town or donkey scum. Where does this confidence in thinking he is town coming from? It is comming from either scum protecting the other scum, or from scum not knowing where to put such an unusual player on his list. 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On October 10 2014 05:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Why not post your thoughts while more town are alive, or while you're alive even? Please post them soon, so everyone can give input? I dont like this. | ||
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I had that post written down for like 10 hours already, but did not post until now. Honestly if it wasnt for your push on activity now i would've posted it 3 mins before deadline when scum would not send in any more KP | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote: If you really thought that, you should have said something, rather than post your post and then criticize me for wanting activity. On October 09 2014 06:10 abuse wrote: Guess it's time to start looking elsewhere. I am not a big fan of posting during the night, so my more important post will probably appear near the end of N2. Meanwhile, everyone please reevaluate what has happened so far, and who had what kind of interaction with zen. Who could have acted while knowing zen's alignment, to get town points or to push zen without basis and or in a scummy way. | ||
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People should offer their own cases and analysis, not just comment on ones others made. anyway this is not important currently. Is anyone else here? anything you want to add before end of n1? | ||
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glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet. If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night. Of course any other PR's should not claim. Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:39 Superbia wrote: We don't claim PRs here. We also don't claim whether you got blocked or whatever. I'll find some scum after ESL is done. that we most definitely do claim. | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote: I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. | ||
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On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote: Wow. That answer. Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. | ||
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On October 10 2014 15:50 Breshke wrote: Abuse did you even read my post that was in response to yours? nope not yet, i woke up a bit ago and am at work now, I'll read the long posts later and post what I think about them | ||
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On October 10 2014 16:34 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not sure what I make of someone who hasn't even read how the game works by Day 2 clarify? | ||
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On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote: the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched. what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles. Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:17 Breshke wrote: False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to. True, but if scum has a roleblocker he was not sucking on a thumb tonight, so if scum aren't dumb they should have som ideas as to what the setup is already. Also we are only talking about a Vet who if exists, most likely does not have a vest anymore. I am confused by your statement about PR's sorting themselves out when they decide to, because at no point did we say that other PR's had to do anything at this point, and people doing stuff when they decide to themselves is what I've been pushing for this entire time. Why are you trying to make it sound like I did the opposite? | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote: + Show Spoiler + Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again. First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion. You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there? When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you. About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here. Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.) 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:54 Fecalfeast wrote: At the time of posting I thought you assumed it had to be a vigilante but Do you really think mafia gets told why their target wasn't killed? That gives them so much information, they know their own setup so if they shoot someone and get back "He was vig so he didn't die" they know exactly which setup it is. ie if mafia has a roleblocker they know there is a jk and if they don't they know there's a tracker. Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds ridiculous. Vet = 1shot bulletproof not vigilante. Mafia should not be told why their target wasn't killed, but it can be deducted by analyzing the game. Mafia do have more information about the setup than we do though. Obviously except for the town PR's, because they have a better idea even than mafia do. A vet's claim would put everyone on the same page( VT's will know as much as PR's do currently, and the more important PR will know for sure which setup it is, while scum will still not be completely sure, because a vet can be in a setup with both a JK and a tracker. Basically it will give vanillas as much information about the game as mafia, while giving town 1 person who knows everything about the setup. That is basically why I think that a vet claiming is a good idea but only IF they were shot tonight. Plus there's the wildcard that mafia could fakeclaim vet, which could be fun, since we'd have some people here who would know for a fact that they would be lying. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:57 Fecalfeast wrote: You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself? What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory? | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote: @abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately. Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:54 Breshke wrote: I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to. You are lying. I never said I think scum knows what the setup is, I think that with the extra information they have of their roles, they most likely should be able to figure it out. I never hinted at that. And I NEVER said I had an idea who a power role is. This post is enough to get me over my doubts about your good note on elvis really. ##Vote : Breshke P.S. as for this thingie you posted: On October 10 2014 18:29 Breshke wrote: It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do. From my first megapost's paragraph about you : Final thoughts on Breshke: The problem here is that we only have 2 scum. And he has made a very questionable flip on loaf, AND he defends Zen for no real reason. If there were 3 scum in the game, I would say that this game is solved already. But there are only 2.. Either way, I do not feel that the actions he made are towny. Currently - Scum read on Breshke. Zen is confirmed town now, so only 2 remain. your current posts don't help either. I could honestly point out more tells, for example, you just said that loaf was not scum hunting after all, so there goes your reason for thinking he is town or townie. Yet you still saw him Town then (and now you say you only saw him more townie). The fact that I am not making cases on anyone else at the very beginning of Day2 does not mean that I am not looking for scummy behavior from everyone meanwhile. I do think there is more than enough evidency to prove that you are scum at this point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Sorry, I blame the marijuana. I totally mistyped vig instead of vet. No vig this game... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448 I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy. I wouldn't go and say that it was a conspiracy but the things you pointed out do make sense aswell. It does fit my read as I also read him as scum at this point. You just interpret his posts a little differently from your angle and that's okay. | ||
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On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote: Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum. | ||
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote: I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two. Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head. Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads? You can disagree but you are wrong in doing so. The fact that you would not be able to find a PR in that situation does not mean that nobody can. I also did not say that I think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. I said that they probably could if they knew the setup. And drop your bullshit where you keep saying that I am doing this to scare town. You are making stuff up and are trying to present what I am doing in a scummy light. What I am doing now is answering to bs accusations and I don't even know why am I doing so. I don't even know how to read the bolded part. Much less understand what you mean by it. I don't have any other scum reads at the moment who I would be confident enough to post about. This is only the beginning of Day2 in which many people have not said anything worth while yet. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: No, revealing that information early is ONLY good for scum. Why are you claiming that me voting for you is voting for town? Do you think you're considered confirmed town or something? You're one of 4 who lynched a town on d1. this is your 2nd post during your 3 posts in D2 (i think) which is trying to force the bolded argument on me. Why are you doing this, because it makes you seem incredibly scummy. I don't think i'm confirmed town. I am claiming that you voting for me is voting for town because I know I am town. Also, it is not ONLY good for scum. also, On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"? this post and question is utterly useless. Why are you asking this question and why are you asking this to breshke specifically? Your rage was towny because you were correct in your argument against me, and you showed a kind of "passion" that is rarely shown by scum pretending to be town. You do seem like you are frustrated a lot lately, which kind of makes me think that you are either arrogant or have played enough games to not belong in this newbie game. P.S. your vote on fecalfeast at the moment really is complete BS. I did not understand your push on FF at the beginning of the game, and now, when FF is so townie it makes me want to puke rainbows during D2, I do not understand your vote on FF at all. I also do not like how superbia is playing currently. Lots of questions directed at FF, asking what he thinks about every person in the game (only 1 person per post though.) Superbia is kind of in the thread, but does not really do anything worth while. Keeps saying "I will find scum tomorrow" "I will lynch scum tomorrow." .. end of day2 is TODAY. being completely away from the game for the 24h of N1 and for more than 24h of D2 just giving promises about playing later piss me off. Also, has not given real input that would be worth noting about anyone in the game except zen man, who got lynched D1, My current list is(hello Rad.): Town: FF Leantown: Elvis null: Rad (coinflip with a bigger chance of being town) loaf (coinflip with a bigger chance of being scum) Leanscum: Breshke (mr scummy post) Superbia (mr scummy play) ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Superbia Discuss. Also, since D2 is comming to an end - Everyone spill what you think about everyone(no, just a list will not do). Now. less than 9 hours left. | ||
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On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: super has the biggest filter, which means nothing. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: the most content Really? Because except for his case on Zen, I see ZERO actual content fro him. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: and had a super good day 1. It was not a super good day1 for anyone because the only decent case around was a case on a townie and now we are left in shambles with nothing decent to go by. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Night 1 and day 2 have been much slower for everyone though so i can't really fault him for that. I want you to read his filter for everything he has said after D1 and I want you to notice that his "filter" after that is not that small. And then I want you to read what he has actually said so far and I want you to tell me how has anything AT ALL from it helped town or even went into that direction. | ||
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I said that post was scummy. im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game. | ||
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On October 11 2014 22:18 Superbia wrote: Abuse confirmed worst player ever. I've demonstrated before that I'm fine with sitting back. I'm not going to "do something" if I'm still iffy myself on who's mafia. ok. Then start finding scum as you said you would do so many times already instead of just pointing a finger at rad and saying that he is scum. Until you do that, my vote stays here. | ||
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What does "I poured all my energy into a good tunnel" have to do with you not looking at the game again now? Look at how people interacted with Zen. Get new info, say who you think scum is. Just saying rad is scum because of reasons like this will not do. I do not think that rad is the scummiest person here, and I think some of his posts might be too townie for a scum to write (if that makes sense.) I do not agree with rad being a wagon today. Not with the information that is presented now at least. | ||
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On October 11 2014 23:09 Superbia wrote: It's a short filter. He asks questions but never reaches any conclusions. His pushes are super weak (i.e. ##FoS) at best, and non-existent at worst. Today he shows up with some random ass post and then disappears. We had to explicitly ask him for a list at EoD1 because we had no idea where he stood. I have no idea where he stands or what he wants to do this game. I don't think he's scum hunting, I think he's scum. Many people do that and he did not FoS anyone after D1. Many people have pretty much disappeared today as you can see its just you and me here now. We had to ask him for a list at EoD, but we had to ask EVERYONE for a list at EoD and he was one of the first people to supply it even though at the very start of the game he said he hates lists. What do you REALLY think about breshke and why did you question him in such a friendly matter today and say "that is a pretty nice case you present" when let's face it - it wasn't really. Why are you doing this if you read him as scum aswell at the end of D1? Do you really think there is not enough evidence against him at this point? Do you honestly think he is not scummier than Rad now? What about loaf? Why do you not try to figure out if he is town or scum? What do you think about Elvis? Do you think that his mentioning zen was town before he flipped was a scumslip by him or not? Don't you dare tell me you do not have an opinion on that. | ||
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ESPECIALLY the elvis and breshke part, which you say you have not paid enough attention to. I demand your thoughts on that matter aswell until EoD. | ||
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I want you to read the cases I made on breshke.All of them, and then I want your input on that. Everything else you said - I agree with it tbh. That is pretty much "the other side" of the game that I have been pondering about. Not doing anything much during D1 and D2 is hardly a tell in this current game though so I am not quite willing to go after Rad today. Rad said he would have much more time during the weekend to play, so im looking forward to that. If nobody better shows up I would rather lynch loaf who is a coinflip. | ||
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True that breshke+elvis is not a scum pair though. WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS IN THIS GAME? | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:44 Elvis! wrote: That would need crazy amounts of proof of breshke not being scum and the other person to be more scum. I really highly doubt this is possible to happen at all at this point. that is an issue, indeed.. :/ On October 12 2014 02:28 Rad wrote: K I'm back, now it's time to play catch up. anything you want to share yet? | ||
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I'd look into everyone. Right now I think Elvis would be the prime candidate in that scenario though. | ||
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what do you think about everyone else except for breshke? Who do you think is the 2nd scum? | ||
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My vote on superbia was both a pressure move and a frustration move because he was not actually "doing" anything, just saying he would do it. His later posts seemed acceptable so I removed my vote. Also, after seeing all the posts so far, I think am not going to vote for loafery today. Reason being, It is extremely likely that breshke and elvis are not on the same team and superbia and rad are not on the same team. Which makes loafery more likely town than scum in my book currently. Also dont see myself voting for fecal today. | ||
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especially since he made this post On October 12 2014 03:31 Elvis! wrote: Everyone else start doing your final posts so we have enough time to talk about them! I don't want us being in a hurry like last time. At the moment most people haven't posted a clear opinion and EoD is coming close! and then disappeared. | ||
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If that happens and we mislynch now, and scum kills someone during the night then we lose.. Unless loafery throws down his vote soon, going to be forced to vote for him I suppose... :/ | ||
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I still have not gotten an answer to you about what your deal with him is. | ||
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too late I guess. If people are willing to last second switch to elvis, I'd support. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:04 Superbia wrote: abuse if you're scum and I'm the only one trying I'm going to be so mad. I'm already mad. and no I'm not scum. | ||
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I'm not pointing fingers, chill. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:13 Rad wrote: I didn't say you're pointing fingers abuse. On October 12 2014 06:13 abuse wrote: jebus, i am just on fire with misreading things today. ya.. :/ | ||
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I don't see your thinking pattern where you say that breshke is confirmed town here. It also does not make any sense whatsoever to blame FF here, because he voted for Breshke not elvis. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:36 Superbia wrote: Woop woop. I think a cop or tracker should out their checks at EoN. Like 5s before deadline or some shit. This I support. We will most likely be entering lylo the next morning, so no use hiding roles anymore, this way we'd get a roleclaim that can't be counterclaimed and hopefully a confirmed guilty. | ||
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On October 12 2014 14:23 loafery wrote: anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis? hillarious comming from a person who wasn't even there during the deadline. Read the thread instead of trash posts like this please. | ||
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i was really busy and uninterested with the game yesterday though, so I totally forgot I was going to say this at the end of N2. Since no tracker has claimed so far, I can only imagine one scenario for this. So. Here's what I want everyone to do. It's kind of a hypoclaim time. I want everyone here to reveal, IF they were tracker : Who would they have checked during N1 and who during N2. Of course this means the real tracker reveals who did he really check. This way the tracker does not really reveal himself. But there is some information that I want to get out of this. Also, if there is no new noteworthy info today that changes the game, whoever the PR is, YOU F..ING CLAIM CLOSER TO THE END OF D3. (Not at the very end of it). THIS IS LYLO. my hypo tracker tracks: N1: superbia N2; Breshke | ||
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On October 13 2014 15:02 loafery wrote: I dont see how hypoclaiming anything will get us anywhere. Please just do it. FF you too. | ||
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On October 13 2014 15:43 loafery wrote: I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this? I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town. It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him. But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons. just to be clear, everything you're saying is proving that you are scum. What does it matter for you if it makes sense for you or not, if it makes sense for me and helps me figure out the game, which is a pro-town thing. With the way the game is going now, it is highly unlikely that there is a jailkeeper in the game, because we'd have someone claiming they were jailed or roleblocked by now. The chances of a jailkeeper being in the game is like 1% max. Also yes, you are right, I totally faked my stuff on breshke. all those 500+ lines of text I made doing cases on him were complete fake just so I could change my vote on him at the last moment. This is a great catch you just did. you are confirmed town. What I should have done was just not vote at all like you did, that was definitely the best play.(is that what you wanted to hear?) Just to be clear, I am pretty much sure that loaf is confirmed mafia with this. (also note how confident he has become, which was lacking the entire game) | ||
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On October 13 2014 15:43 loafery wrote: It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him. Also these are lies because I never defended Zen. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote: why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed. You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons. even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked. your logic is flawed. also you are scum. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:20 loafery wrote: there's nothing in the rules that say when you get roleblocked you are notified and you're trying to make excuses but it looked to me like desperation on your end. And it's a rule of thumb in mafia that you don't get notified when roleblocked, nothing just happens. I was a VT in my previous game and I was roleblocked, and I claimed it. Look it up. disney princess mafia. again. this person is 100% scum. ##vote: loafery | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Could you imagine if we had a jk, he save super night 1, then super got RB'd and killed in the same night, with elvis as the night 1 rb target; not claiming because super said not to? Mind would explode. we would have someone claiming to be roleblocked or jailed today. | ||
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He is just pushing us because he is scum and he needs 1 more lynch to win. Do you REALLY think I am scum? and do you REALLY think I would push breshke SO FUCKING HARD for so long, if he was my teammate? I mean seriously? On October 13 2014 16:19 Fecalfeast wrote: If you are the real tracker and have a useful track, fucking claim it. If you are anything else keep quiet lest scum gains any advantage before we lynch scum. If tracker with no check keeps quiet and tracks the kill tonight after we lynch scum, we WIN THE GAME TOMORROW Also, this is not true. This is Lylo. There is no tomorrow. We have 5 people left, 2 of which are mafia. If we lynch town it is 1 town vs 2 mafia tomorrow. Again - WAITING FOR EVERYONE'S HYPOCLAIMS, Fucking do it, there is a reason for it which I will explain later. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote: don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule. My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were. You do know that what you're doing now is completely useless because at one point a mod will come here and say that I am correct? | ||
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Also, can I show a screenshot of a PM from Amiko in the previous newbie game to prove this? | ||
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I am sad that you were such a ... and played this game inactively on purpose. It would have been so much easier if you would have been like this from the start. | ||
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loafery is 100% scum now. he is pushing his case which he has none at all stronger than anything he has done this entire game. The question is who is the other scum, and it will be answered when EVERYONE FKING HYPOCLAIMS THEIR TRACKS. | ||
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I did read. I don't care if you are not the tracker, I still need your hypoclaims to figure out if you are scum or not. And you are assuming all that on the fact that we lynch scum today and the tracker tracks the correct person tomorrow. While it is not incorrect, it is much too risky. Also, I don't see how HYPOCLAIMS FROM EVERYONE would stop your scenario from happening. We do not have to reveal who the real tracker is. I'm going to tell you right now - I already know who the tracker is. | ||
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Every one of your arguments has already been proven wrong, and your entire case will be proved complete bullshit when the mod confirms that VT's get roleblock msgs. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:51 loafery wrote: you're making everyone focus on this one fact to try and discredit everything I've said when the other reasons don't depend on this rule at all. They depend only on this rule, and on the fact that you think that we are complete idiots who cannot figure out if there is a tracker or a jk in the game, because you cannot even comprehend that people can make their conclusions on stuff they see themselves ,not what you try to push in front of them. | ||
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paragraph 1: it has already been explained by me, that there is less than 1% of a JK being in the game, and I have also said why. paragraph 2: I voted explained explicitly why I voted for elvis, and you are a disgusting hypocrite for even daring to say stuff like this considering you were not at EoD to vote for anyone. (Hell, you had 48 hours to place down a vote) paragraph 3: Blatant lies, I never defended Zen. paragraph 4 : I just love this. "but something happened at night". You don't even know what happened, yet you are so sure of this and pushing it so hard. also why on earth would I want to kill superbia considering he read me as town the entire game. your case is a joke, and I don't think we should address it anymore until the mod answers the roleblocker question, to prove to everyone else here, who for I don't even know what valid reasons are not voting for you right now, because you are the most blatant scum right now I have seen in any game so far. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Abuse, you are either the tracker, think I'm the tracker (I'm not), or think rad or loaf is the tracker. Rad isn't here so am I wrong to deduce that you think loaf is the tracker in the event that you are not? you are wrong. Won't say anything more until we get hypo's from everyone else. | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:00 Breshke wrote: Also to anyone thinking me and abuse are partners This was posted very late D2 when superbia and abuse were deciding who to lynch. Abuse posted this before seeing superbia go on Elvis. Why if we were partners would he try make a late swing in the votes for me this is a good point, yes. This was frigging less than 2 minutes before EoD. | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:03 loafery wrote: it's a fact you 2 are scum. You aren't denying that you aren't scum but saying that you both arent scum.... A normal vt would say I'm not scum but maybe he might be scum. What are you guys doing now? Claiming that you're both not scum. I don;t like how you two are forming a untied front against me when the only person you have to convince is ff right now because rad isnt; here. It's convenient when 2 people atatck the same person. LOL. | ||
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On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote: don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule. My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were. -------------------> + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2014 19:14 LoneMeow wrote: Yes. Both special roles and VTs get notified of roleblocks. You can post screenshot of a PM from a previous game if you make sure there's nothing pertinent to current game visible in it, but it should not be necessary with a mod confirmation of the facts. + + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2014 16:41 Breshke wrote: Nope its because the game in which abuse says he was roleblocked as VT i was also in it and can vouch for what he says until the mod confirms it. Seriously feel free to go back and look at it it was the last newbie game before this one. ------------------ + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2014 16:55 loafery wrote: I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this? I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town. It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him. But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons. --------------> + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2014 17:02 abuse wrote: Why are you just copying your post again? paragraph 1: it has already been explained by me, that there is less than 1% of a JK being in the game, and I have also said why. paragraph 2: I voted explained explicitly why I voted for elvis, and you are a disgusting hypocrite for even daring to say stuff like this considering you were not at EoD to vote for anyone. (Hell, you had 48 hours to place down a vote) paragraph 3: Blatant lies, I never defended Zen. paragraph 4 : I just love this. "but something happened at night". You don't even know what happened, yet you are so sure of this and pushing it so hard. also why on earth would I want to kill superbia considering he read me as town the entire game. your case is a joke, and I don't think we should address it anymore until the mod answers the roleblocker question, to prove to everyone else here, who for I don't even know what valid reasons are not voting for you right now, because you are the most blatant scum right now I have seen in any game so far. Time to lynch scum boys. | ||
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On October 13 2014 20:22 loafery wrote: Rad ff vote breshke breshke and abuse arent going to change their votes because they know i know they are scum. Yes, that must totally be it, not like, all the evidence that we presented and the fact that you were completely useless the entire game and are now pushing us like mad because of no reason whatsoever because all your "reasons" are trash and have been already proven trash by me and the mod . Honestly, there is no way you could be more confirmed scum than you are now, unless we'd have a confirmed cop check. Hell, you still have not even replied to my hypo track initiative, because "I don't see the use in this" even after I said that the use would be revealed after everyone does it. @ Rad, I am waiting for your hypo tracker list. | ||
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Taking this seriously or not is one of the reasons I did this and breshke did and rad didn't. Another thing I wanted to see is if the tracker listened to what superbia said during N2. That is to track me during the night. Breshke's hypo list did take that into account and he has me as his N2 track. He saw me not going anywhere and this is why he is not pushing me at all currently. FF is town. loaf+rad is the scum team. There is no reason whatsoever, that a person with a brain, especially someone as observant as rad(as he has proven this game) to go against me at this point and not loaf when it is so blatantly obvious that loaf is pushing just because he wants to persuade people. He ignores every counter argument thrown his way. Hence why I am 100% ignoring all of his posts now. He is scum, there is no need to read his trash anymore. Call me arrogant, but there is no way in hell, that I should be even considered scum at this point, considering the input I had in this game. Hell, I was the only person who tried to make people look at everyone else during this entire game, always being open and showing my reads on everyone, trying to solve the game. Loaf did nothing. he didn't even vote in 50% of his day phases. Rad tried to push a wagon with virtually no proof(wagon on FF) and kept going at it at D2. Then just dropped it altogether and hey, now me and breshke are obvious scum, right? And FF is town now, just like that. Also, what breshke said is not a scumslip. You just have to look at this point of view. What he meant by that point is that loaf is ignoring everything FF says and is only focusing on me and breshke, while FF has been saying pretty much the same things as me and breshke about loaf. Breshke thinks that FF can be scum because his "pressure" on loaf is no reason for loaf to worry about it, since it will not be actual real pressure in the end, if loaf+ff is a scumteam. I do not believe this to be the case though. Again. Loaf+Rad scumteam. It is all up to you really FF. Which sucks because you have thanksgiving and whatnot and can't go through the game as you need to at this point. But please just read loafs posts during this day and remember what he was like the entire time up to here. Also look at rad's reads. They make no sense. His entire case on me right now is also a joke, because it is all based on assumptions, and 0 actual proof. Also note how conveniently he is always busy and "catching up with the thread". This game is solved. I will not move my vote from loaf today. And I am voting Rad tomorrow. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:53 Rad wrote: I don't know how to explain the feeling of "the way this fight is playing out feels suspiciously like a townie fight" but after you've seen a few it becomes more clear. I recognize I might be wrong but sometimes I gotta go with my gut. I did announce that I wouldn't be voting for either you or elvis that day but I'm not going to straight up defend either of you in case of a scum flip. This is why I think he got shot d1: It's a great play in newbies because newbies are easily convinced with WIFOM defenses. A scum abuse just has to establish his towniness and I can't think of an easier way than killing superbia and playing the wifom defense. or, if I were scum, I could just keep superbia alive, have the other scum make the shot, so tracker would not see me shooting, and just pretend to solve the game together with superbia, now that he would be sure that I am town. but hey, thinking of it logically is not good for your scum team now, huh ? | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:25 Breshke wrote: Abuse if you are town the scum team is 100% loaf and ff you need to understand this. Seriously show me reasons why fecal is town. The reason fecal is town is because rad and loaf are scum. On October 14 2014 16:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Abuse you have to consider the loaf/breshke team. Look at this breshke guy. What else do you want me to see? | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:37 Breshke wrote: w/e idc you are very likely mafia here it is 2/3 of you abuse and loaf and I have been reading abuse town most of the game and still do. I'm basically just waiting for rad to come and weigh in again. why are you saying Rad is not scum so surely? | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:47 Breshke wrote: Ok the dream of not having our tracker outed isn't going to happen. Abuse you assume it is either me or rad that is the tracker i had the same thought about you. If it isn't you then it is Rad. I know you said one of us scum one tracker but do you really think i wouldn't take that easy fake claim if i was mafia. So you are saying you are definitely not tracker. Crap. Well then it's either FF or Rad, so Rad is the clear for now, he's just not as bright of a cookie as I thought. Either way, loaf is 100% scum. Hopefully rad stops being... like this, after loaf flips. Can find the last scum tomorrow after the NK, which will give us tons of info. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:01 Rad wrote: Lol abuse. So loaf and FF are definitely not tracker while either Breshke or I am tracker because magic? You're assuming I didn't take it seriously because...? Guess who actually didn't take it seriously - loaf and FF. You not going anywhere would not confirm you as town, but it's cute you're pointing that out like it would. It's also funny you would think I'd listen to superbia's advice at end of n2. Pay more attention to the game and you'll be able to bullshit easier, abuse. Again, you're pretending to be confirmed town and that it would be batshit insane to think otherwise. You're not confirmed town and I'm confident others can read through this bullshit. You post a lot and make big cases. See my last newbie game a long time ago. I did the same as scum in that game and my effort won it for me. It's really easy to hide in a ton of bullshit because some people believe a big filter is a townie filter. You have to look at the content and the effort they're making. Here's what your actual input to this game was: Mislynch wagon Failed attempt to get vet to claim Mislynch wagon Failed to leave last will after suggesting you'd drop that amazing knowledge bomb Failed attempt to get tracker to claim Plus lots and lots of ignoring my thoughts on FF even when I'm finding shit for you in the last few minutes before d2 lynch. What's next? Mislynch or are you bussing your partner to try to solidify that towniness? You should pay better attention to the game. I consider breshke my top town read and by no means do I consider FF a town read. 1) loaf is not the tracker because he is scum because of how he is acting during this day, and because he was useless for all other times in this game so far. 2) ff didn't take it seriously but he also said beforehand that he is definitely not the tracker. 3) me not going anywhere does not prove anything for you and me, but you do not know who the person already tracked, + them having a brain should be a good enough reason to deduce as much. 4) I am not confirmed town by roles, but hell, why the fk would I play like I did this entire game if I wasn't town? This game was so frigging inactive and so easy for scum to win, if I'd just sit in the shadows, because there is literally nobody here who would call out such a behavior. 5) you saying that that was my only input in this game is bullshit. I was the only one to make cases on every single person in this game. I was the only one to clearly paint my stance on everyone in this game. Which is much more than you or anyone else in this game did. There is no reason for me to do it in this game if I were scum. Me being on the mislynch wagon d1 does not prove or signal anything, because it was the only and best wagon on that day. If I call correctly, you yourself said that zen did no scumhunting in this game after he got lynched, so you were obviously okay with his lynch. I didn't push the vet claim, I said he can do it if he wants to, you were the one who always kept making it like I was pushing that. Plus I thought that such an outcome would be better for town, and switched my stance when you proved me wrong. N2 was not me on a mislynch wagon, it was a vote on the last second when we had no info on who to really lynch, even though FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGING DAY before I tried to get info from all of you, but you were all fucking afk and lazy. I never said my knowledge bomb would be "amazing" and I never said it would be a last will. I said I would also leave a knowledge bomb at the end of N2. Which I forgot about, because I have stuff to do in my life and because even then, it wasn't anything that big anyway. Why on earth would I not make damn sure I drop a knowledge bomb, when I promised it, if I were scum? You should be smarter than this. 6) you started giving me "some kind" of things about FF 2 fucking minutes before EoD and I still had no vote on. If you wanted FF to be lynched, you should've made a decent case about him in the frigging 48 hours of D2. You didn't. What's next is me calling you an idiot. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:01 Rad wrote: You should pay better attention to the game. I consider breshke my top town read and by no means do I consider FF a town read. My point was, if FF was your top scum this entire game, Why do you not push it at all now of all times, when it is literally do or die for town? | ||
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I was sure that the tracker was between Rad and Breshke. I was hoping Rad would have more of a brain and actually post a hypo list that would make any sense, instead of taking it stupidly. If he did, I would've taken his list for granted as the real tracker's list, but he didn't take the chance, and did a stupid fake list with the same person during both nights. I can't even emphasize how stupid and anti-town that was of him. The tracker is now definitely not me, not breshke and not you. So we have that going for us, which is nice. Basically it means Rad is tracker. | ||
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Which is also why I am calling him stupid, and not scum anymore (after breshke claimed to not be tracker). Because he is town in my book, but is pushing the wrong wagon forward, and we might lose because of it. | ||
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As I said, that read fell apart when breshke claimed to not be tracker. That statement cleared Rad. See below: On October 14 2014 16:52 abuse wrote: So you are saying you are definitely not tracker. Crap. Well then it's either FF or Rad, so Rad is the clear for now, he's just not as bright of a cookie as I thought. Either way, loaf is 100% scum. Hopefully rad stops being... like this, after loaf flips. Can find the last scum tomorrow after the NK, which will give us tons of info. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Well we all have to vote the same person or it's all screwed anyway. mafia wins if any 1 of the 3 town are split I am not voting for anyone else than loaf today. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote: Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one. Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia. I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed. your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum. Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:34 Rad wrote: I'm too tired to continue with this tonight. Lynch is in 12+ hours and I'll try my hardest to be keeping up when I can (in and out for about 5 hours before the lynch hopefully). here we go again. Is there like a single day/night phase where you have not said something like this? Sure, go off, don't pay much attention to this, this is like literally the turning point to us losing or not. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:42 Fecalfeast wrote: To be fair at best he's pacific time which is 1:40am, eastern is 4:40am To be not fair, he should have been here much earlier than midnight then. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:45 Breshke wrote: No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today. I don't understand this. | ||
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On October 14 2014 17:47 Rad wrote: You're an idiot. Stop trying to make it sound like I don't give a shit. I play when I say I can and I have to sleep now because it's 4:45am. Normally I go to sleep an hour ago. Then I have to wake up and work. Eat a dick. Sucks when somebody tries to do something like that, huh? Like try to make everyone think you are forcing a vet claim or something. What you are saying here, is that you work for like 22hrs a day, and I have a tough time believing that. P.S. Dick confirmed delish. | ||
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I do think you are town, yes. | ||
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Yes I do, please get to the point already D: | ||
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On October 14 2014 18:16 Fecalfeast wrote: wait a sec abuse. I am bussing loaf is what you are saying? I see you as town for now aswell. Currently the only scum that is 100% certain for me is loaf. Not enough information to tell who the 2nd one is yet. Hence why more info is needed, which we will have tomorrow after the nightkill. | ||
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On October 14 2014 18:25 Breshke wrote: Okay fuck it i'm writing it all out again I don't care that Rad said don't talk about tracker stuff because i think we are in a terrible position with two of the people i think are town fighting with each other. So abuse you thought i was the tracker even though i had said i tracked you last night in my hypo. So unless you had thought about this otherwise it sets up two worlds. 1. You are not mafia therefore ff and loaf are scum 2. You are scum and your partner world 2.1 being ff and 2.2 being loaf submitted the night action. We then look to what the tracker did as it is fairly obvious the tracker hasn't got a hit. 2.1 The tracker tracked loaf and got that he didn't follow anyone. As it is semi confirmed that you abuse didn't submit the night action for the above logic this means that ff must be the one who submitted the night action and is mafia 2.2The tracker tracked ff and got that he didn't follow anyone. Same as 2.1 except loaf must be scum Of course there is he world where the tracker tracked neither loaf or ff but i don't think that is the case. This is only based on the fact that you really are town, and rad really is tracker. While it is most definitely the most likely scenario currently, it is not 100%, hence why I say the nightkill will give us more much needed info. | ||
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also,"As you can see breshke, based on these scenarios and my own interpretations of them, loaf is the least likely logical candidate for scum, and abuse is the most." i dont know if you read your own scenarios, but even in your scenarios, the 2nd most likely scenario for you is loaf being scum. Also, about your last paragraph, why are you just ignoring everything breshke himself has been saying? He has explained his reasons for thinking why I am town. | ||
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If you are not town, you cannot be tracker. If you are not tracker, then the real tracker here fucked up so bad it is not even funny. What a game.. | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:29 Rad wrote: If you consider me and abuse town, then you consider FF/loaf scumteam. Why would FF bus his partner ASAP on d3? Is this a smart scum play in your book? Does FF get confirmed status level townie points if loaf flips scum in this scenario, making it worth the strange bus? The only other potential outcome there is the loaf wagon catches on, he flips town and scum wins. But me + loaf makes sense, even though I pushed loaf like no tomorrow (because if you keep this shit up, there really wont be no tomorrow). Why do you not see that as "bussing" but as a 2nd most likely scum team scenario ? | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:50 Breshke wrote: Abuse what were you planning to get out of the tacker hypos? I said what I wanted from the hypos. On October 14 2014 17:26 abuse wrote: I was sure that the tracker was between Rad and Breshke. I was hoping Rad would have more of a brain and actually post a hypo list that would make any sense, instead of taking it stupidly. If he did, I would've taken his list for granted as the real tracker's list, but he didn't take the chance, and did a stupid fake list with the same person during both nights. I can't even emphasize how stupid and anti-town that was of him. The tracker is now definitely not me, not breshke and not you. So we have that going for us, which is nice. Basically it means Rad is tracker. | ||
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I already said who I think scum is. Now we have 5 people left, if you find the PR, you get a confirmed townie. Add yourself as town and you have 2 mafia between 3 people. Also - wtf. Why are you asking this now | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:59 Rad wrote: @abuse I get that Breshke thinks you're town based on your play. I'm asking for the scenarios in which it makes most sense that you're town based on how things have played out. For example, loaf/fecal scumteam requires a retarded play. Pushing your scum partner the whole game is not impossible to do as scum and is actually the ideal thing to do. it is actually an incredibly stupid play. Also - Rad, would you like to claim PR now? it is about time. | ||
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By the way, Rad, tell me something. Who do you think is scummier right now. Me or FF? | ||
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I just noticed that you said that a loaf+FF team is not possible in your mind. I am done. I am town. This game is over, scum wins. Even if loaf dies today and flips scum, we still lose because Rad. | ||
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Breshke town Rad tracker Game over. Horrible town. Much love guys. | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:32 Rad wrote: For fun? Let's lynch scum, that'll be fun. I think you're probably both scum and I'm looking forward to seeing how FF treats this lynch. The fact that it hasn't gained momentum is a good sign to me. Loaf's lynch was almost certain from the beginning of the day, meaning a scum had to be on his wagon unless you think the scum team is me and loaf. nah, you + loaf is impossible because FF and breshke said they are not PR's and I'm not PR either. You are still wrong though, and if you are town you are horrible because you cost us the game. | ||
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It is the end of the game, and you still suspect every single person in the game. Great. | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:44 Breshke wrote: Urgh don't try guilt me please even if i vote for loaf a scum will switch to you if you are town because loaf and rad arn't both scum this is the only path we can possibly win from. You're saying that because you assume both scum are present here now, which does not seem likely since they are both laughing in their QT how they didn't even need to do anything to win this game. I wasn't guilting you then. I'm guilting you now --> soon you'll know how superbia felt. | ||
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Take note of the interraction I am having with breshke now. This is not one that scumbuddies do in the game thread when 2 out of 5 people are not there at 8 minutes until the end of the game. And if that does not prove it to you, then me saying this to you now, should prove it. | ||
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And stubborn. gg~ | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:57 Breshke wrote: You think it's hard for you. I still think it is loaf+fecal but i can't not vote with you urgh i just want this to be over. hifive~ | ||
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On October 15 2014 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote: So loaf goes from confirmed scum and 100% lynch today and now someone is trying to pull shenanigans at the end. oh hi, nice timing~ congrats on the win bro. | ||
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Was it really that hard though? Loafery being our key player and not doing absolute shit helped you a ton. xD | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:03 Breshke wrote: Sorry abuse i fucked up that was dumb, fecal could have hammered you anyway but still urgh. its not your fault. We lost because loafery did... what he did at D3. and D2 for that matter. And D1. | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:03 Barakos wrote: Congratz scum. For the ones interested: Obs-QT http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/avN5b425C5Va you bish you called me "the bad town" | ||
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@scum, this is so unfair. I am reading your qt and am pissed that loaf couldn't be one of the scum, because we sure could've used an extra decent townie - if not our only frigging PR with actual powers. | ||
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We were disgustingly unlucky to have dusts and loaf in the game though Loaf was literally the key player at the end of the game, and he came, said complete bs, and then bailed. Ugh. Most of my thoughts were that rad has to be tracker if it's not loaf, and if it is loaf, then fk it, I don't even feel bad for lynching him and losing the entire game, because of how he played. Oh wells. Probably my last game of mafia. Don't think this is for me :3 | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I lost my first 3 games as town and, even though I embellished the sentiment in this game, I was ready to quit mafia too. Its really fun ater you really get a feel for how people play. Play another newbie game if you can and see what it's like playing a newbie game with a little more experience than the newcomers. I would hate to see someone quit mafia because of donkeys I do understand the game, and I'd like to believe that I did have a little more experience than the people in this game. That's just it. I need to know that the other players know what they are doing, otherwise all my reads go to trash, and I am too arrogant to deal with plays like loaf did. My brain refuses to comprehend them. The non-newbie games are too big on the other end, everyone plays off meta, and there are way way way too many pages for me to be able to keep up, considering I have work and my memory sucks, so I can't remember posts very well. On October 15 2014 07:45 Rad wrote: Don't give up! You were a top town read for most people and loaf definitely made things easier for us. My only advice would be to step back and rethink things more often. You had fecal pegged as town at the end and that was that, and you let me get away with just arguing with you all of d3. I think from your position suggesting we put fecal up for lynch is smarter than just calling me bad town. Loaf singlehandedly destroyed the game, not made it just easier for you, lol. I had breshke pegged as town, not fecal. I wanted fecal to be town, but I did understand that he most likely wasnt. If loaf had flipped scum, and breshke had died in the night, I would've voted for FF instantly. You were in a perfect spot, because loaf refused to claim tracker, which only left you as the other candidate. Due to pure PoE, you were safe, there was no basis on me calling you anything other than town, and i hated that, because I really did think you were scum. And suggesting we put up fecal for lynch would not have been the better play in this case, because at that point you were pretty much confirmed town, and all you had to do, was what you did - say "I will not move my vote from abuse". Since we needed to be united in the lynch, just one town refusing to do so resulted in us losing.. | ||
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Good luck to you guys though~ | ||
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<3 DP, don't hate me pls. | ||
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Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. | ||
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On October 15 2014 16:55 abuse wrote: Hence why you're a hypocrite <3. I still think lynching loaf on D1 would have been the best option, because him being alive at the end totally ruined everything. At least for me. Also as I recall, Barakos was the one who did the actual hunting in obs qt. Anyways, I don't really care, I just think you're batcrap arrogant, and from all the games I've seen/read up on you, i was not impressed the least, not nearly as I was with some other players here. Cheers bro~ Just to be clear - I think I'm not good. I just don't think you are good either. on the bolded : Re-read and confirmed. Barakos was the one who called FF scum for example, you just agreed after asking why he thinks so. Then you said rad and me were scum, and were only right on rad,while I was your prime suspect really. If you were in the game you would have mislynched. While Barakos said I wasn't scum. Barakos read things much much much better than you did. Hence why I'm saying you are not as good as you think you are. | ||
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On October 15 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not really how the game works. While i understand your point all of you townies missed the most obvious scumpost on D1. I think the townies were too tunneled into one of Zen/Breskhe being mafia on D1 and when Breskhe picked up his posting you all completely forgot what actually happened at the EOD1. When something changes (lynch, nightkills, someone being scummy starts to towntell) you must go back and see where you went wrong. Look at the whole game with "new eyes", not only the game after the said event. That's where i think the town went wrong. Yup. as I said, I do not see the stuff that is obvious to a player like you, hence why I do not think I am good for mafia games. I did put a lot of effort in this game, wrote pretty much everything down, but the way i perceive the stuff presented is wrong and I focus on the wrong things. If we would've lynched the useless tracker at D1 though, we would have had a much better town atmosphere imo, and I would stick with my Rad scumread at the end. + Zen had good reads, so he could've helped a ton during the game. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:13 DarthPunk wrote: How many games have you played with me to make this assessment. Right, 1 in which I was third party. Come back and talk shit when you don't get end gamed without lynching a scum in a newbie game. I've seen enough of your play. Not in just that 1 game. And I can call you shit whenever I want really. Anyway, let's just stop this now. You won't change my mind, and obviously you think pretty much everyone else other than you is trash in everything so I won't change your mind either. Plus I don't care really because I won't be playing mafia anymore, because I can admit that I'm bad at this and think in a different way that is not good in such a game. Yet you are.. well.. you. | ||
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don't try to make cases after the game on a game you have not actually read properly. I had my reasons for thinking rad was more townie at D2 than at D1. Also, the "case" on me you put in spoiler tags before, is trash. You should re-read it yourself. You say I had no reason whatsoever to push loaf, yet later you yourself see that it was to get information in a game where absolutely nothing was going on for 15 hours, and you are still not satisfied. You say I was unhelpful, superbia says it was helpful to him. And it was helpful to me. Stop trying to plow your shit over everything. And stop blaming other people for your wrong reads -- "Abuse you are so trash that I read you as scum". Your arrogance is disgusting. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:32 Barakos wrote: Only one I actually read better than DP did, was you and this also only, because I played a very similar newbie-game with you already, where you pushed someone else, who you thought was town but not helping, so i saw the similarities... From DPs PoV you looked like someone trying to push a lynch on a townie, who half-confirmed himself by being way too excited about insta-winning the game as town (unless he did some genius acting, which is unlikely in a newbie-game... you remember daydreamarine? boy did that guy give me headaches in our game...^^), which just doesn't seem right, so his read on you was understandable. I also don't agree on you saying the best play was to lynch loaf... he is basically confirmed town, so he is mafias problem, cause mafia doesn't want to go into lylo vs a confirmed town. I think the correct way to deal with loaf was to confirm him for yourself as town and either let mafia kill him or look at other peoples interactions with him, if he doesn't get killed... the people he pushes on are most likely town, since he is still alive as confirmed town. The people, who buddy up with him, or are most concerned about his opinion on them, or try to influence his opinion on others, are most likely scum. This way you either get some valuable information out of him, or the problem is dealt with for you by mafia... and - most importantly - you don't waste one of your misslynches on town. Loaf might have been confirmed town to you and DP but he wasn't confirmed town to anyone in the game. He was a coinflip and a nuisance to everyone's reads. Also it does not make sense - "you should have confirmed him as town for yourself" because I did not see him as town, and in that view, keeping him alive and not seeing him die, just proves he is scum, and that makes his reads useless. And don't even get me started on what his reads were. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:37 DarthPunk wrote: LOL. K. Talking to you is clearly a waste of time. Keeping thinking whatever you want babe. Clearly. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:45 DarthPunk wrote: Wait, You got mislynched at MYLO and are shit talking me for calling you mafia along with the two ACTUAL mafia after reading one day of a game i'm not even playing in? SERIOUSLY? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QO3OPvO.gif) Read the game before you talk shit. I have told you this before, and I thought you were dropping this because this is a waste of time. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:29 DarthPunk wrote: it was wishy-washy and was actually the way that I would expect mafia to treat another mafia. Yeah really don't know what the fuck you are talking about rayn. And now you just forget all that and just focus on that one post, because obviously you were right . Facepalm. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Guys stop it already. abuse you clearly did something wrong considering you got lynched as town AND considering the other wagon in LYLO was ALSO town. DP is a good player. He is not always right (like noone is) so you should take some advice in what he is saying. Although he is presenting his stuff in an arrogant way that does not mean he is completely wrong. You really did misjudge loafery and Rad very heavily at the start of the game. Instead of arguing with DP how good/bad you were try to instead learn from the insight he gives. Even if he is wrong -- regarding your alignment -- you'll have to notice townies CAN think you are mafia for something you did. Why? what should you do differently next time in order to avoid it? That's the point of post-game discussion in newbie games, not to flame the shit out of people who misread you in obs QT. Same goes to DP, you are not really helping abuse... Thanks for this. I really do appreciate what you were saying, sadly DP is not somebody I could ever look up to or take seriously even. I am shit-talking now because I really do not care anymore, and will not be playing any more games. This is just a parting gift to DP really, because I don't like him. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:57 Barakos wrote: I can name you 3 games in which a town did this... 1. Disney Princes Newbie Mini Mafia - Daydreamarine, who didn't know anything about mafia and rules/roles 2. Los Alamos Newbie Mini Mafia - loafery 3. Avogadros Number Mafia - Oatsmaster, who didn't read the setup properly and got into an arguement with me about it, before I had to drop out and flipped town D1 Reasoning behind this is, that as mafia, you care about setups and basic rules, since you need the knowledge to fakeclaim and use it to your advantage. So seeing that this is a newbie-game, you can quite safely assume, that not knowing the rules is kind of a town-trait... arguing about them or even claiming a free-win based on false understanding of the rules is an almost guaranteed town, especially if you get over your "omg, that guy sucks so bad, let's kill him"-reflexes and try to read his posts with the mindset of a newbie posting them... I wouldn't necessarily apply this logic to every veteran-game her on this site and I am pretty sure, I will at some point run into somebody, who fools me with some acting, but it sure holds up for me for now. Also note, that this is something different, than what rad (i think) did, when he started argueing about the notifications blocked / jailed people would get, since this is much more in-depth and not explained properly in the role-descriptions. Wow, a post that actually does not make me cringe. You are wrong though. the fact that this is a newbie game, is exactly why you can quite safely assume that not knowing the rules does not mean shit. That is what a newbie is. Your assumption is based, that everyone in the game has decent common sense, which is not something you can take for granted in a newbie game. The first hours of a newbie game, you have no idea how good/bad/logical the people are. And I still find it funny, that you say "if you get over your "omg that guy sucks so bad, lets kill him" reflexes, considering you said this in avogadro's mini mafia. On October 12 2014 08:58 DarthPunk wrote: GlowingBear, What if I said that I would 100% lynch a shit posting townie day one even if I knew he was town. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: dude can you understand that post happened A DAY after the initial connection??? let me spell it out to you: Oct 7th: Rad makes the scummy post (1) Oct 7th: abuse calls loaf out Oct 7th: abuse pushes loaf Oct 8th: abuse calls Rad "null/scum". Still he calls the observations Rad made a day before good -> townie!!! (see the (1) -> timeline) Like wtf? There is no way abuse did read Rad scum at the time he pushed loaf. Read the whole post and put the things onto a timeline. abuse did NOT scumread Rad at the time he pushed loafery! am i correct abuse? that is a safe assumption, yes, when I was pushing loaf, I was just pushing loaf. I was planning to look into other people's responses for the push to get their alignments. | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:58 DarthPunk wrote: Because you know me so well and have played so often with me. Wait.. No you haven't. You are coming from a place of ignorance. But you are being hilarious so feel free to continue babe. I have more gif's to post :D Wrong assumption. Again. I have looked at quite enough of games/QT's of you being in them. see, if you weren't so arrogant you would have actually considered that option. | ||
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On October 15 2014 18:06 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway i'm done with you Abuse, You should go play some games on OMGUS. probably more your level. You disgust me. | ||
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On October 15 2014 18:17 DarthPunk wrote: Thanks man! I get to be an Archon of Skill and Justice :D Which games of mine have you read in which I was terrible babe? I don't remember. I've been reading a lot of threads and QT's over the months. | ||
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On October 15 2014 18:20 DarthPunk wrote: By the way please don't get scared off from this newbies, Mafia just attracts argumentative people (and baseless, ignorant accusations apparently) Finally you can see your own flaws, I am so glad! :D | ||
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On October 15 2014 18:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Grats on 347 3+4=7 omg ty! | ||
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Would've gotten 1 more vote right here, np. | ||
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