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Sorry, I blame the marijuana. I totally mistyped vig instead of vet. No vig this game...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448
On October 10 2014 18:04 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself?
What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory?
I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy.
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@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.
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5:20am, damnit, must sleep.
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On October 10 2014 17:54 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again. First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion. You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there? When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you. About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here. Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.) 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out.
Okay he wasn't scum hunting. He started actually playing the game then and i was going to read him townier for it.
I need to make this clear. I was defending one part of Zens play and that was the "lie" he told. It isnt everyones reaction when they do something dumb like that to just come straight out and admit to it. I did agree however with the second part of superbias case on him about non committal reads so i felt voting him to at least pressure him. I then also felt fine taking my vote off him as there was plenty of votes for him so he was going to be pressured anyway and at the time i thought ff was much scummier.
I honestly don't know how i missed that post, i think i was focusing on ff's filter and didn't go back to reread what most other people had said it was bad i shouldn't have posted so hasty.
I was liking him at the time i can't actually remember why but he is still town for me more on that later though.
It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do.
For me to believe that 0 mafia voted on Zen i would have to think that exactly loaf and Elvis are mafia. i believe it is more likly that there is one mafia in the group of four that voted on Zen. I still think superbia is town having starting the wagon and building the biggest case against him. I also don't think ff is necessarily the scum although some of his posts today have been off. This will hopefully become clearer today when more stuff starts happening and superbia rejoins the thread. So i basically have a lean town read on loaf at the moment because i truly believe Elvis is scum and that the other scum lies in the group of four that voted on Zen. This being said i need you to contribute more loaf because i currently feel like a donkey for having a townread on you because you have contributed almost nothing recently.
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On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.
Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game.
Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.
Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's.
I like your rage though. +1 town point.
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On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point.
I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to.
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On October 10 2014 18:54 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to.
You are lying.
I never said I think scum knows what the setup is, I think that with the extra information they have of their roles, they most likely should be able to figure it out. I never hinted at that. And I NEVER said I had an idea who a power role is.
This post is enough to get me over my doubts about your good note on elvis really.
##Vote : Breshke
P.S. as for this thingie you posted:
On October 10 2014 18:29 Breshke wrote:
It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do.
From my first megapost's paragraph about you :
Final thoughts on Breshke:
The problem here is that we only have 2 scum. And he has made a very questionable flip on loaf, AND he defends Zen for no real reason. If there were 3 scum in the game, I would say that this game is solved already. But there are only 2..
Either way, I do not feel that the actions he made are towny.
Currently - Scum read on Breshke.
Zen is confirmed town now, so only 2 remain. your current posts don't help either. I could honestly point out more tells, for example, you just said that loaf was not scum hunting after all, so there goes your reason for thinking he is town or townie. Yet you still saw him Town then (and now you say you only saw him more townie). The fact that I am not making cases on anyone else at the very beginning of Day2 does not mean that I am not looking for scummy behavior from everyone meanwhile. I do think there is more than enough evidency to prove that you are scum at this point.
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Vote count:
Elvis! (1): Breshke
Breshke (1): abuse
Not voting (5): Rad, Fecalfeast, Elvis!, loafery, Superbia
Currently, Elvis! is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Saturday, Oct 11 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Breshke voted Elvis! ( post) VOTE: abuse voted Breshke ( post)
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On October 10 2014 18:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Sorry, I blame the marijuana. I totally mistyped vig instead of vet. No vig this game... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:04 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 17:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself?
What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory? I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy.
I wouldn't go and say that it was a conspiracy but the things you pointed out do make sense aswell.
It does fit my read as I also read him as scum at this point. You just interpret his posts a little differently from your angle and that's okay.
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On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point.
Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are.
Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town.
So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?
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Also Rad, Superbia and Loaf i really want to know your opinion on everything that has happened since end of D1. Fecal I know you think im mafia but your case is mostly centered around me trying to tunnel on you or attach myself is what you called it. I don't know how to show you this isn't true. I first asked superbia about you because i have played with him before and you two seemed pretty chummy and your play was almost very similar so i was interested in what he had to say about you.
Ff whats your opinion on elvis? Why did you have superbia in your scum at the end of N1?
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On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?
Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking.
Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum.
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On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum.
I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two.
Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head.
Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum. I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two. Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head.Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
You can disagree but you are wrong in doing so. The fact that you would not be able to find a PR in that situation does not mean that nobody can. I also did not say that I think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. I said that they probably could if they knew the setup. And drop your bullshit where you keep saying that I am doing this to scare town.
You are making stuff up and are trying to present what I am doing in a scummy light.
What I am doing now is answering to bs accusations and I don't even know why am I doing so.
I don't even know how to read the bolded part. Much less understand what you mean by it.
I don't have any other scum reads at the moment who I would be confident enough to post about. This is only the beginning of Day2 in which many people have not said anything worth while yet.
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That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.
[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.][/quote]
You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.
I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum. I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two.
Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head.
Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
Why is that thoght going through my head?
Like according to you I am not allowed to not be sure about Zen.
I never said Zen is scum for sure.
If you want to be good townie you have to view everyone as a possible scum/town, view from their possible perspective and then decide on what to post.
I only went through the possibility of Zen being town and it made a lot of sense for me, everything combined and makes sense so far. I could not have known that beforehand, but mafia is a game of assumptions.
So why would I not go through scenarios where Zen is town and you are mafia?
Why is that scummy, why is that forbidden, why does it not make sense to you?
Talking about assumptions, this is one of the weirdest things you said so far. So far us towns people don't know anything except that Zen was town and that the night kill didn't succeed.
Throwing around buzzwords like "I know for a fact" is just claiming things you don't have any proof on. As an example, how do you know abuse isn't mafia? He's obviously not my top candidate for now but he could be. I would never be sure about these things if I don't have proof, which is really really rare in the game of mafia.
Except if you are mafia, of course........
As I forgot I haven't voted today yet:
##Vote: Breshke
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On October 10 2014 21:27 Breshke wrote:
That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.
[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.]
You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.
I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.
Which leads to them knowing a lot about the setup.
If there is a Roleblocker, only 2 scenarios are possible:
Mafia Roleblocker Town Cop Town Doctor or
1-shot Bulletproof Townie Mafia Roleblocker Town Jailkeeper
So they would know that there cannot be a Tracker.
If they know there is no Roleblocker it can only be
Town Cop Mafia Goon Vanilla Townie or
Mafia Goon Town Doctor Town Tracker
So they would know that there cannot be a 1-shot Bulletproof Townie.
How does talking about this amount of information not make sense? It's very relevant how the situation would be after roleclaims, and if it might have advantages for the town.
Why do you refuse talking about all kinds of possible scenarios? It's not like there is an obvious answer to them.
To repeat:
Zen was not 100% scum for me at the time.
If someone isn't 100%, which since this is the game of mafia is extremely rare to happen, he must always be available to be seen as townie.
You don't want people to tunnel? Allow different perspectives.
This is the most interesting thing you have said on the topic:
On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:
Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
This is exaclty what I did with Zen, getting him outside my tunnel and viewing as a weird, possible town.
Now this for you is a reason to call me scum, even though you want people to do EXACTLY that with you.
Whaaaaaaaaat?
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Vote count:
Elvis! (1): Breshke
Breshke (2): abuse, Elvis!
Not voting (4): Rad, Fecalfeast, loafery, Superbia
Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched.
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(I know you meant the "don't tunnel, consider your read if I'm town a bit differently, same topic though).
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All right I'm here and reading some filters. If people want to interact go ahead. If a cop or a tracker has a red, you out.
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