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On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.
What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?
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On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?
Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.
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Hi everyone, sorry for not posting yet, I had a crazy day that was more stacked than I thought. I kept up with the content, and now I have a couple of ideas for analysis of some posts which I'll post shortly
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Also I have lots of time tomorrow
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On Superbia:
On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.
I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone.
Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it.
Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him"
@Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia?
Then on loaf:
I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf.
The reason are the following:
1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked.
On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad  Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that? Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me.
Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me.
Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone.
2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different.
Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1?
3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia.
Some quotes to support this:
On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong.
If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure.
On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible.
Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles.
And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention.
I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed?
"Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...)
loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie.
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Fuck it, I'll vote for him for now:
##Vote: loafery
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Vote count:
loafery (2): abuse, Elvis!
Not voting (7): dusts, Breshke, Fecalfeast, The_Zen_Man, Rad, loafery, Superbia
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Canada11355 Posts
On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that? Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me.
Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone.2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure.Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible.
Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles.
And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention.
I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...)loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie.
I really like this post but could you explain this last sentence? I don't think I'm reading it right.
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FF how do you feel about loaf atm?
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On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia?
People pushing on people helps me find mafia.
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@Fecalfeast
That was just a last comment on how he said he isn't doing things he considers what "mafia would be doing".
Not being typically mafia in ways he describes himself does not make him townie in my point of view. If I'm wrong and he is townie, he can proof that by making positive posts, not by not making negative posts.
I might have detected some strategies he tried (sometimes succesfully), so I'm eager to see everyone's reactions.
(I hope this is more clear)
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On October 08 2014 07:20 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? People pushing on people helps me find mafia.
Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given.
This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia.
That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things.
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On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:20 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? People pushing on people helps me find mafia. Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given. This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia. That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things.
How does it prevent you from finding mafia? I didn't get a mafia vibe from any of his posts, and I thought his response was genuine. I'm going to wait until he posts again before I finally decide whether this is a good wagon or not, but at the moment I don't like it.
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I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon.
This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information
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and while we´re on it, how do you feel about the points I brought up about loafery?
I'm new to this and like criticism.
(even though you might be mafia and mislead me. Which if you do and I detect it might give reasons to call you mafia, if you don't I have more good vibes. Win-Win)
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On October 08 2014 07:26 Elvis! wrote:
I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon.
This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information
I'm (decently) happy with the information I'm getting. Day started slow but the wagon on loaf gives me information. I'm currently not planning to see him lynched, but that's partially up to him.
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On October 08 2014 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that? Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me.
Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone.2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure.On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible.
Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles.
And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention.
I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...)loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie. I really like this post but could you explain this last sentence? I don't think I'm reading it right.
i'm sure it means i'm not pushing anyone to be scum and am just defending why i'm most likely town. It was probably a mistake on my part to mention off forum games as people have a prejudice of he's experienced so why make a noob move like that. I can't take back what I said so I can't really blame myself.
And ppl are so tunneling on me because I'm the only one that made any content. No one was talking about the game when it started.
There's so much questions for me only and no one is questioning each other its just so unfortunate.
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Okay that makes a lot more sense
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EBWOP: That last post was meant to be @Superbia.
@loafery how about answering some of these questions? or:
If you dislike only you being questioned, why not ask us?
There is the most content about you, yes, but there still is quite some about others, I'd like to see you comment about things not concerning yourself to see what you think about everyone else.
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"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.
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