EPTI said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.)
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I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.) | ||
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On October 09 2014 17:04 abuse wrote: Also, I didn't say the person who'd call you mafia would get a town read. I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.) Fair enough but that just goes more to the point of why I didn't see why you made that post. Although thinking about it i'd rather if you refrain from giving your read until elvis has fully explained his as i've asked him to do so but he is asleep or busy i don't remember which. | ||
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All of these for me are scum indicators. Gotta go to training now, thus I don't have time to polish this, I hope it's satisfying. I wanted to get this out now since Breshke for some reason wants people to wait for this. On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote: Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. Breshke telling people to read scum and start a wagon, while he himself has no reasonable case yet? He had his one on ff, but even though he puts him as scum he doesn't really push for it, doesn't start a wagon, doesn't encourage other to read into ff more, and mostly, is in not commital about it. The thing that concerns me the most is that he votes for someone who noone made a big case of yet and doesn't really analyse ff in a big way either. So if you read him scum, why not be confident, research and make a case out of it? On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote: I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man This post has been frequently talked about, what's more confusing than defending a player, and then claiming he's scum for reasons he himself isn't fulfilling? Where's your committal reads? Going on the player everyone is on about without giving much proof or anything isn't committal. On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast Just because two people go on the same person (which you did go on as well) doesn't mean one can "tell the other what to do". How is that relevant? then " He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. " so did you. I mean ok, if it isn't your style to make big posts, I guess that's not really good for town but fine, but why complain about others who do the same? On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote: ##Unvote Vote:Fecalfeast My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by. Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted As above mentioned - just like yours I feel like. If you make a reasonable case on Zen, fine, but you basically just agreed with everyone else and cruised by. Since we now know Zen is town, this makes a lot more sense to do as mafia. On October 09 2014 05:48 Breshke wrote: It looks like you are going to be lynched here and if you are town you want to leave us with as much useful info as you can so start reading people. He isn't a donkey. This is unnecesarry information, but makes you look like you're doing something. On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote: In response to abuse's post which can be found here First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point. Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies". I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up. I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing. Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all? Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that. Same with you. I really don't get you at this point. You love pointing out how people are not doing good cases or analysis and are jumping onto people while your posts rarely exceed a couple of lines and we are yet to see you push someone substantually. On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote: Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post. ... and everyone else would read you like they should anyways. If a mafia openly reads you mafia this might very well make him slip up because he can not be commital to such a read. I don't think having everyone read a person about his alignment at once is terrible and I don't see how this is "has no reason". Some people are suspicious about you, why wouldn't they ask everyone else how they feel about you? To remind, you did this a couple of times (blindly asking about someone feels about X person). On October 09 2014 05:31 Breshke wrote: Just woke up, will respond to abuses posts later like in night phase unless anyone specifically wants it now. Zen you are about to be lynched you need to leave us with some info who are you reading scum other than superbia as much as rad doesn't like lists a list wold be fine. Why did you post this same thing twice? So by that you are positive that Zen is town, am I right? It would be useless to have a mafia explain how he feels about stuff. So I conclude that you read Zen town, since you didn't vote on him and didn't like the case, why didn't you defend Zen, why didn't you ask for his opinion on other at a time where things could actually be changed? At this point it's too late to save him and vote mafia, if you think his reads are important why not try getting them earlier? In your list it says Zen leans scum, why would you want him to do a read? On October 09 2014 05:59 Breshke wrote: Town Loaf Abuse Superbia Leantown Rad Null Elvis Dusts Leanscum Zen Scum ff Then this list. To not rant about all the other things again: Why are there no explanations on any of these? This is a default list for anyone wanting to get town points by ranking the popular persons high. | ||
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Good job town. Elvis gets 100 townpoints for being the only one to use night time properly and I get 100 scumpoints for sleeping in two days in a row. I was expecting the post to be abuse or breshke with their "later in the night" post... It's Evlis!? Why not post your thoughts while more town are alive, or while you're alive even? Please post them soon, so everyone can give input? | ||
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1)Breshke spends the first half of day1 criticising loafery as loafery was the first wagon to be made. His first post on the matter comments on loafery saying he is confirmed town. (post)This post by loafer is scummy in every person's book who has ever played mafia, and it was already being pointed out by others in the thread. Afterwards, just a few posts later, he feels the need to say basically the same thing again in this post. This is scummy, because town have no reason to post the same thing again, if they have already said it once, especially if it already being discussed in the thread. Scum on the other hand do type this kind of things, because they want to show the thread that they are also a part of what is going on. As scum have more information than town about the roles in the game, they have a guilty conscience when it comes to discussing about people who they already know everything there is to know about and this one of the ways how it manifests itself. The fact that Breshke "suspects" loaf is also shown in his post here . He later starts teaching and explaining stuff to loafery, shown in his post here . Afterwards, this post happens: + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote: Also i like this post as i was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it. He instantly drops all suspicions on loafery and calls him town, after loafery does a 1 line post about superbia staying in the shadows. Please note that at this time, pretty much nobody gave any reads out at all. There was no case at all available, except my push on loafery. Why would you drop your suspicions so easily? Also the phrase "I was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it". These thoughts of breshke have not been showing up ANYWHERE before. 2) AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. Superbia made his push on zen, and it was getting mixed responses but mainly positive ones, and many people demanded Zen defends himself, but he was nowhere to be found. Breshke, makes this post: On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote: I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man Let me walk you through what has happened here. Breshke, without mentioning The_Zen_Man even once during this entire fiasco, has, in one post, defended The_Zen_Man. has called him null, and has voted for him. This makes ZERO sense as town. Town does not know what Zen man's real alignment is. Town only knows, that Zen has a case about him, and he is being held under suspicion. What is the reason for defending him? Why would you not let him defend himself, to read him even more and that way find out if he is scum or not? Now, if you are scum, and you KNOW that Zen is town, then you CAN defend him for no reason, to get town cred when he gets lynched. But to not be noticed too much, you also throw in saying that you think he is null, and after all that, you make your very first vote of the game on the person who you just defended, AND who you called null. And this person is also somebody who has had lots of controversy around him, and you are pretty much the only person in the thread who has not even mentioned him up until that point. This does not make sense from a town perspective. This is a scum jumping on an easy bandwagon, while trying to not seem too pushy by defending him also, and calling him null, while letting others do the push itself. 3) He reads Rad's push on Fecalfeast and soon after votes for him. What happens here is Rad pushes fecalfeast and FoS's him. (note, he does not vote for him). Breshke shows up, asks Rad to vote for his biggest scum read (who is obviously FecalFeast at this moment) [post] The discussion continues a little, and Rad makes this post: On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote: Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen? What happens next, is Breshke (WHO HAS A VOTE ON ZEN HIMSELF AT THIS POINT) posts this, and VOTES for Fecalfeast. + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast So basically, what he does is ask Rad who his scum read is, and who would he like to push(while in the previous page, Rad has already FoS'ed FF and has pushed him), and then drops his vote on Zen, to vote for Rad's push, because of a reason, that he himself qualifies for. (Rad asked if Breshke is satisfied with FF having his vote parked on Zen). 4) EoD During EoD, everyone started posting lists after my and Superbia's incentive. This is breshke's list : + Show Spoiler + Town Loaf Abuse Superbia Leantown Rad Null Elvis Dusts Leanscum Zen Scum ff Breshke still, posts his top scum to be FF, yet votes for Zen. And another interesting thing is Loaf is at the top of the list. why? Has loaf caught any scum? No. Has loaf done any real work in finding scum and has he made any case on anyone so far? No. Why is he at the top of the list? Nobody else here reads loaf as town. Most people read him as either donkey town or donkey scum. Where does this confidence in thinking he is town coming from? It is comming from either scum protecting the other scum, or from scum not knowing where to put such an unusual player on his list. The only truly townie thing breshke has done, which is worth noting, is his recent catch on elvis, where elvis says zen is town before his alignment is revealed. This also a red flag that should be investigated. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Why not post your thoughts while more town are alive, or while you're alive even? Please post them soon, so everyone can give input? I dont like this. | ||
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On October 07 2014 20:42 Breshke wrote: Superbia you have obviously played with FF before, i know its early but how do you think his game is going so far compared to your last game together? Already sets himself up to talk about me specifically. It's his 4th post in the game, including his /in On October 07 2014 21:54 Breshke wrote: So i also just want to get all my thoughts about Loaf down. At first his dumbtell made me really think he was towny then Calling himself confirmed towny really gave off bad vibes. Also loaf you say most games you played in were complicated having multiple power role setups so do you not read the OP in most of your games to better understand them? At the end of your post here it seems like you were about to give a read on abuse then kind of didn't. Would you mind teling me your thoughts on him? He then decides to join in on the loaf pressure with... the same thing abuse said. On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote: Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. When loaf pressure dies down, he decides to try again for me by saying the people calling him town are scummy. Which happens to be me and superbia. On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote: I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man "No, just join in on the zen man, it's an easy mislynch, focus on fecalfeast tomorrow or something" On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote: I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast What do I think of FecalFeast? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK OF FECALFEAST! On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote: ##Unvote Vote:Fecalfeast My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by. Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted "You can't just change your vote like that without explaining yourself!" also Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote lol | ||
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Are you kidding? You don't like that I want more town to give input on reads? You're banking on the idea that everyone will be here 30 mins before deadline | ||
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I had that post written down for like 10 hours already, but did not post until now. Honestly if it wasnt for your push on activity now i would've posted it 3 mins before deadline when scum would not send in any more KP | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote: If you really thought that, you should have said something, rather than post your post and then criticize me for wanting activity. On October 09 2014 06:10 abuse wrote: Guess it's time to start looking elsewhere. I am not a big fan of posting during the night, so my more important post will probably appear near the end of N2. Meanwhile, everyone please reevaluate what has happened so far, and who had what kind of interaction with zen. Who could have acted while knowing zen's alignment, to get town points or to push zen without basis and or in a scummy way. | ||
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People should offer their own cases and analysis, not just comment on ones others made. anyway this is not important currently. Is anyone else here? anything you want to add before end of n1? | ||
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I made the assumption that in the case Breshke is scum (which after further investigation seems very likely), Zen would be a nice bandwagon to jump on. I did not specify there if he just would bus Zen or if I think Zen is town. I still read Zen as scummy, but like loaf, he might just be a weird townie that does unusual stuff that's usually done by scum. This is the main reason I voted for Breshke and not Zen. I thought Breshke doesn't just seem weird but outright scummy. At the point of my EoD post on Breshke I focussed on him, read his filter and thought to myself "what if he is scum. then he knows Zen's alignment. If Zen, against what I thought, isn't scum, this would be the perfect time to go on a bandwagon. Maybe Zen's very scummy town then!" and in all the hurry, I posted. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Thin_Man_plutonium_gun_bomb_casings.jpg) Day 2 In the early days of research into atomic bomb design, two different approaches had been proposed. One was the gun-type design, in which two sub-critical masses would be brought together by firing a "bullet" into a "target". The other was implosion, where a sub-critical mass would be compressed into criticality by the means of a symmetrical shockwave from conventional explosives. The gun-type and implosion-type designs were codenamed "Thin Man" and "Fat Man" projects respectively. These code names were chosen based on their design shapes; the "Thin Man" would be a very long device, and the name came from the Dashiell Hammett detective novel The Thin Man and series of movies by the same name; the "Fat Man" bomb would be round and fat and was named after Sydney Greenstreet's character in The Maltese Falcon. In April 1944, experiments by the P-5 Group at Los Alamos on the newly reactor-produced plutonium from Oak Ridge and the Hanford site showed that it contained impurities in the form of the isotope plutonium-240. This has a far higher spontaneous fission rate and radioactivity than plutonium-239. This meant that the spontaneous fission rate of the reactor plutonium was so high that it would be highly likely that it would predetonate and blow itself apart during the initial formation of a critical mass. The only way to use plutonium in a workable bomb was thus implosion — a far more difficult engineering task. The impracticability of a gun-type bomb using plutonium was agreed at a meeting in Los Alamos on July 17, 1944. Almost all of the research at the Los Alamos Laboratory was re-oriented around the problems of implosion for the Fat Man bomb. July 1943 Oppenheimer reports that three times as much fissionable material maybe necessary than thought nine months earlier. Late 1943 John von Neumann visits Los Alamos to aid implosion research. March 1944 Bomb models are tested at Los Alamos. July 17, 1944 The plutonium gun bomb (code named Thin Man) is abandoned. July 1944 A major reorganization to maximize implosion research occurs at Los Alamos. dusts as Robert Bacher (Vanilla Townie) has been modkilled. The day ends Saturday, Oct 11 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). | ||
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town elvis abuse scum breshke super everyone else null or i can't think | ||
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