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On October 09 2014 09:31 Elvis! wrote:
will comment on the other things in a second. In the short notice (I only had like 20 Minutes for all the research but wanted to put a meaningful post. Real life fucks that stuff up sometimes.
It's night still, take your time and make it a good post. Real life is lame but it's important sometimes.
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On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.
what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.
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To try and sum it up:
I do not recall ever calling Zen town.
I know I did make an educated guess, that in the case Breshke is mafia, Zen is not. I also said that Zen really leans scum BUT that I also think that I'm not quite sure about Zen, which is the main reason I voted Breshke.
Even though Zen appeared fishy and even though I liked some of the content people pushed against him, I said that I'm not sure on his case, but that he seems very scummy.
My thinking into this was: "Okay we have a couple of people who are a bit or a lot like mafia usually are. Zen seems very fishy but Breshke seems more clear. Let's try to back that up and make a small case out of it."
Tbh I didn't quite think through that I indirectly called Zen town with this. Not what I wanted to express. I hope my main message got through
I know that this post didn't have a ton of quality and long thinking going into this. This will improve the next times.
Also I might have been misinterpreted.
I wanted to make sure that my main point in the push was him inflicting chaos. Not the vote.
On a unrelated note:
loaf is being donkey again:
On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.
This guy just messes my brain up so much.
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I really need to go sleep now (almost 3am and I have uni tomorrow) and will be back in approximately 15 hours. Will most likely have a good amount of time then.
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Cya elvis but for when you come back could you please show me where i was causing chaos because i don't see it cheers.
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On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all. what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.
Actively engaging in creating discussion that helps clarify any suspicions you have (like you're doing now).
This is very difficult for scum to do because it creates a scenario where they might slip, and that can be scary. Zen was happy to sit back, let other people create content for him, and just pass judgement. This was a red flag for me and I was unfortunately wrong in thinking clueless/lazy/scared scum instead of clueless newbie.
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On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though. Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2.
I have to leave soon but I am waiting for this.
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Slow night. Was hoping someone else would be around. I'll be back in a few hours probably.
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On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me.
I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed.
Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard.
What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself.
Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care?
Please do share, and make it good.
Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff.
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On October 09 2014 15:17 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me.
I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed.
Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard. What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself. Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care? Please do share, and make it good.Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff.
So I spend the time to re-read the thread to see if I missed anything and get scumread for it?
Nice.
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I guess, before you say I'm dismissing you...
I only missed the part where you asked me a question directly, as implied by my post where I said I missed your question.
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On October 09 2014 15:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 15:17 abuse wrote:On October 09 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh I just re-read abuse's post and I get why he got mad at me.
I will sate your bloodlust before it starts and respond to this paragraph I skimmed.
Okay, this strikes me the wrong way. Very hard. What you're basically saying is, before EoD, you did not bother to read thoroughly a big post, that explains someone's view on every person in the game, exposing the flaws and expressing views on everybody, including yourself. Why on earth would a townie not read this? I can see a good reason why mafia wouldn't - because they don't care, but why would a townie not care? Please do share, and make it good.Will definitely take a closer look into you today when I start analyzing stuff. So I spend the time to re-read the thread to see if I missed anything and get scumread for it? Nice.
I am not scumreading you yet.
I am doubting you not because you spend time to re-read the thread, but because you did not read something like that carefully before EoD.
And because of this -
On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Abuse:null, while he pushed loafery and looked town because of it, it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon. Elvis!'s actions don't help him either.
Is that really all you have to say about me, if you had read that post? Because this quote implies that you ignored that post completely
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Especially considering the fact that "it took him quite some time to unvote and consider the current wagon" is bs, because i did it in pretty much my next post after comming back from being away from the thread. And I still don't understand what are elvis!'s actions and what do they have to do with anything.
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Yes I was unavailable before EoD. That is true.
At the point in time where I wrote that post, I was focused more on who to lynch, not who is town. Yes I said null and hardly wrote a line when you made a huge post. Did you expect a detailed writeup on everyone?
I do not post well from phones, I meant the elvis part to be at the end of the post, after everyone else. I had only read his unvote post while I was making my big post (I refreshed my other tab on my phone to check if anyone posted.)
Guess I formatted that wrong, I never noticed before.
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With regards to my comment on you not changing your vote...I'm stupid. I either mistook the scv portrait for someone else or I totally missed the post. Either way I look like an idiot for sure.
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Like, it's right under your big post. I must have thought it was loaf or something when I read through.
I will spend more effort on reading the thread before I make posts from now on.
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@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
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On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already.
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On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.
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On October 09 2014 16:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already.
You'll catch it either way during D2, so don't worry.
On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.
That's a good point, but there is a reason.
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