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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 13:56 GMT
#2441
On August 26 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Also

firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?

If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.


I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water.


If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night.

And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him.


I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed.

If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this.

It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier.



Sad shit tier is sad
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I'm adorable.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 14:00:00
August 26 2014 13:59 GMT
#2442
Counting of votes:

Onegu (2): Xatalos, KelsierSC, Xatalos
Hapahauli (1): yamato77
VayneAuthority (3): WaveofShadow, Hapahauli, turtlevine, Xatalos, Xatalos, GlowingBear
KelsierSC (1): turtlevine, GlowingBear
Xatalos (0): KelsierSC

Not voting (3): VayneAuthority, Damdred, Onegu

Currently VayneAuthority is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Wednesday, Aug 27 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: WaveofShadow voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: turtlevine voted KelsierSC (post)
VOTE: Hapahauli voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: turtlevine unvoted KelsierSC (post)
VOTE: turtlevine voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: yamato77 voted Hapahauli (post)
VOTE: Xatalos unvoted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted Onegu (post)
VOTE: Xatalos unvoted Onegu (post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: KelsierSC voted Xatalos (post)
VOTE: KelsierSC unvoted Xatalos (post)
VOTE: KelsierSC voted Onegu (post)
VOTE: GlowingBear voted VayneAuthority (post)
VOTE: GlowingBear unvoted VayneAuthority(post)
VOTE: Xatalos voted Onegu(post)
VOTE: GlowingBear voted KelsierSC(post)

GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:02 GMT
#2443
On August 26 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
[quote]

It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town.


You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier.


Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much.


Sure I will lay down my reasoning.

(A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.

I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine.
1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim.
2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming
3) no CC

Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.

I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.

All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR.

So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow.

So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.


A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu?
B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT?
C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right?
D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path?
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.

##Vote: KelsierSC

You're mafia.


Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly.

Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik.

He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times.

I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia.

Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.

firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?

If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.

I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed



I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok.

Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right.
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What explanation I didn't see that at all


I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine.
But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things:
1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time
2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.


Btw wouldn't KSC kill you since you "scumread" him at night? Well it's all WIFOM...


Too obvious right? I would be on the right track.
Now we get to the second WIFOM level. I admit it wasn't a good strategy. It just fits my scumread on the top tier
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:03 GMT
#2444
On August 26 2014 22:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
[quote]

It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town.


You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier.


Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much.


Sure I will lay down my reasoning.

(A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.

I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine.
1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim.
2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming
3) no CC

Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.

I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.

All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR.

So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow.

So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.


A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu?
B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT?
C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right?
D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path?
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.

##Vote: KelsierSC

You're mafia.


Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly.

Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik.

He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times.

I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia.

Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.

firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia?

If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad.

I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed



I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok.

Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right.
[image loading]


What explanation I didn't see that at all


I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine.
But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things:
1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time
2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.


woops bad logic again, what a fucking surprise

Mafia killed JAT because everyone in the fucking game read him as town and he was so painfully obviously town.

SK killed rayn so that means absolutely nothing with regards to me being scum or not.

you didn't die because you were an obvious medic save (at the time it was unclear if there was a medic or not)



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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:08 GMT
#2445
Find me awkward interactions with Robik and scumreads given by JAT and I might consider changing my vote.
Help the retard here
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 26 2014 14:11 GMT
#2446
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 26 2014 14:15 GMT
#2447
On August 24 2014 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 21:41 Damdred wrote:
Xata you listed three people to lynch. since you are trying to give cases this game why those three with scummu reasons/posts please

It isn't that complicated really.

These people are town: GB, Hapa, turtle
These are very likely town: yamato, xatalos
I think Kelsier is also town.

Leaves us with a pool of: damdred, WoS, Vayne, Rayn, Onegu which includes at least 2 scum and maybe a SK for the lynch day2.


jat might have been killed just because he was such a universal townread. I think he must have been at least somewhat on the right track as well though. If he was really off with his reads, not a lot of reason to kill him. And these are his reads.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:15 GMT
#2448
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:15 GMT
#2449
On August 26 2014 23:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Find me awkward interactions with Robik and scumreads given by JAT and I might consider changing my vote.
Help the retard here


JAT had onegu as a lynch target and called me town

It was hard for onegu to have awkward interactions with anyone let alone Robik as neither of them posted very much at all. Onegu had the BW bad read on rayn.
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:17 GMT
#2450
It's bad because he town reads hapa before Rayn is dead :/
Hapa is probably scum tho. I remember saying that I couldn't see a scenario where both were town
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 26 2014 14:18 GMT
#2451
On August 22 2014 20:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 20:33 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 22 2014 20:31 IAmRobik wrote:
On August 22 2014 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
It doesn't seem very Robik'ish to downplay your own reads.

Well apparently it is because I'm town.

Great. This game is so easy since everyone is always telling the truth.

I have not seen anyone blatantly lie yet. I think that happens later.
Having said that, I am town and thus I have no reason to lie about anything.


Btw LOL at this post :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:19 GMT
#2452
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning

you voted Xat and then you voted Robik

You said

I threw random names at night with no readings at all


So how can you view me as scum.

I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:21 GMT
#2453
On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 20:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
On August 26 2014 19:57 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die.


There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though.


meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling.


I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled.


He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched


It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town.


You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier.


Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much.


Sure I will lay down my reasoning.

(A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.

I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine.
1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim.
2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming
3) no CC

Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.

I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.

All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR.

So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow.

So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path.


A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu?
B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT?
C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right?
D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path?
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.

##Vote: KelsierSC

You're mafia.


If this is an analysis post I don't actually see how any of your points shows I am mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:21 GMT
#2454
On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning

you voted Xat and then you voted Robik

You said

Show nested quote +
I threw random names at night with no readings at all


So how can you view me as scum.

I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.


When I say pushing I don't say voting. I say calling you scum and asking you questions.
Anyway, I think your responses were okay but they don't throw my arguments against you away.
Tell me what you think of hapa.
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 26 2014 14:22 GMT
#2455
On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning

you voted Xat and then you voted Robik

You said

Show nested quote +
I threw random names at night with no readings at all


So how can you view me as scum.

I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.


Now you know how I feel, no?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:24 GMT
#2456
Also, I'd love to see if WoS or Hapa keeps themselves out of the radar but I won't re read the thread :/
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 26 2014 14:25 GMT
#2457
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:27 GMT
#2458
On August 26 2014 23:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning

you voted Xat and then you voted Robik

You said

I threw random names at night with no readings at all


So how can you view me as scum.

I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.


When I say pushing I don't say voting. I say calling you scum and asking you questions.
Anyway, I think your responses were okay but they don't throw my arguments against you away.
Tell me what you think of hapa.


in D1 I gave him a town pass because he gave a read on rayn but then retracted when there was no major reason to retract, it felt like a towny thing. The read on rayn proved to be bad but a lot of people though rayn were scum.
I don't like his town meta read on Xata at all. I think you can just look at this game and see that Xata is scummy.
A lot of people I think are town seem to be saying that Hapa is not playing his usual town which lends me to think he could be the SK.
Another reason why he could be SK is that he can probably read Rayn quite well, he called him out to get a read on him, read him as town. Then called him town so that when rayn flipped it gives Hapa some credibility.

I think his voting on VA is probably because he thinks VA is town and wants to get him ML'd.

Overall right now, probably SK. Don't trust him


Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2014 14:27 GMT
#2459
On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning

you voted Xat and then you voted Robik

You said

I threw random names at night with no readings at all


So how can you view me as scum.

I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum.


Now you know how I feel, no?


you haven't countered any of my points against you.
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 26 2014 14:28 GMT
#2460
On August 26 2014 23:25 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me.


It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible.


I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum.


His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me.

He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today
I'm adorable.
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