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Xatalos
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Xatalos
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WaveofShadow
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On August 25 2014 21:59 GlowingBear wrote: WoS did you did my brief analysis of the night kill? Yes. The only thing I'd add is that Rayn is a more likely SK kill if the SK is one of the people who voted on Robik because if the SK is basking in towncred, he can kill whoever he wants for reasons like killing thread activity and like you said, avoiding mafia kill overlap---not killing confirmed town doesn't matter if he's all but confirmed town himself. On August 25 2014 22:11 yamato77 wrote: I'm not at all convinced that VA is lying. He is exactly the type of player to play this way. Unfortunately this is true, but everything together still adds up to Va scum. Do you disagree with stuff I and others have brought up so far? | ||
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yamato77
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There's also a world where he's mafia JOAT, but I don't know how much I buy into that. Masons + JK + JOAT isn't OP for town, especially given SK + upgraded GF. Perhaps we have other blues claim if there are any? Otherwise I'm inclined to not lynch VA. | ||
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Damdred
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At this point i'd say reviewing just the cases Hap pushes he really doesn't care who he kills just that someone dies. | ||
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GlowingBear
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We are wasting our times trying to decide who is SK before deciding who is mafia | ||
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yamato77
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##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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yamato77
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On August 25 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote: I gave analysis on night 1 kills and my conclusion was that Kelsen is the SK, but it is useless to discuss who is the SK now. Easier to find mafia with the godfather flipped. We are wasting our times trying to decide who is SK before deciding who is mafia au contraire, killing the SK now is an amazingly good play. It gives town double the effective time to solve the game. | ||
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KelsierSC
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First point, is this a claim to his role? On August 23 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: also wave i have one question for you there are three stones, one large, two small. The large one is concave and the smalls one are different in diameter by 1 cm. They are both arrowheads. Which one do you throw through your neighbor's window? So I think VA was pretty poor yesterday. He had a read on Dam which he gave after WoS had given it and then he voted on Dam. I gave him a town pass for this but he just left his random vote on Dam and didn't bother doing anything around deadline. He then mentioned I am some one that actually DOES read filters (90% of what I do when im around) could you point me to what you think is an insightful contribution so far? I'm more seeing just a lot of agreeableness and general wish washyness. Im not rayn here and challenging you to a gauntlet. I don't see a great deal of filter diving and I have no analysis, I know a role tries to hide but I don't see any filter diving apart from some weak stuff on Yam and Hapa who are both probably town. Another thing I didn't like was that he mentioned he was annoyed with how hapa "disrupted the game" or made "the thread go to shit" obviously hapa had the wrong read on rayn but I just don't like posts about "ahh the game has been ruined" For me, he could just have been hiding as a role but he should have been more active especially around the deadline. He was never going to be a NK so he had no reason to disappear. So then we come to the claim itself. Firstly he had no reason to claim there. His "role block" revealed no useful information apart from Dam was not SK. There was pressure on him undoubtedly but if he had just given some decent reads and done some of the filter diving then it may have been enough to get us to look at other people. Secondly. Why the hell use role block in that position. he was never going to be a NK so he could have had a really useful check on someone. Thirdly. I think checking Dama was reasonable, he is a question mark for a lot of people but again I don't like you used RB. Fourthly. I don't know how the math on roles work but I imagine jailkeeper, confirmed masons and then one more town power role is the likely case. In which case if anyone is a real role with a check then it might be worth coming out. | ||
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KelsierSC
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GlowingBear
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On August 25 2014 23:29 yamato77 wrote: au contraire, killing the SK now is an amazingly good play. It gives town double the effective time to solve the game. Killing is good but identifying the SK is nearly impossible. He is just a mafia without partners. He will probably try to kill mafia so he won't get shot. Mafia will try to kill townies that are right on their reads or, if people are too dumb, they will try to kill SK so they won't take the risk of getting killed. Let them both chase themselves. Just scum hunt for alignment indicative posts. The fact is, scum hunting with the help of the flip is better than being incapable of doing associations with the flip (SK case) | ||
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
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On August 25 2014 23:12 yamato77 wrote: I said VA looked bad before, but honestly he's capable of switching up his play as any alignment, so meta is unfortunately useless. He could be claiming the truth. There's also a world where he's mafia JOAT, but I don't know how much I buy into that. Masons + JK + JOAT isn't OP for town, especially given SK + upgraded GF. Perhaps we have other blues claim if there are any? Otherwise I'm inclined to not lynch VA. What? What do you mean upgraded gf? And why the hell would it ever be a good idea for other blues to claim right now? | ||
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
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On August 25 2014 23:28 yamato77 wrote: If we want a "safe" lynch, I'd rather go for Onegu, but if any of you have balls, we should get a wagon rolling on Hapa. ##Vote: Hapahauli And also how is onegu a safe lynch? He is a 50/50 shot at best, unless there's something you can tell me about him. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
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On August 26 2014 00:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know if anyone has brought this up but rayn was a very strange night kill, and he said he was going to cop check hapa yesterday. So that is another piece to the puzzle. Sorry for multiple posts I'm phoneposting atm A much as I am loathe to listen here, Va brings up a good point. I mean, it's obvious deflection and completely non alignment indicative from him, and adding extra points where it's completely unnecessary, but it does show a little thought from VA. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 26 2014 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: onegu is a safe lynch because he hasn't even come back after the lynch, probably just gave up. This game is incredibly easy at this point but people want to make it difficult for whatever reason. I don't mind dying though I at least semi confirmed damdred. Actually it's particularly interesting that Onegu suspected Rayn last before he fucked off---I'm pretty sure nobody expected him to die, least of all scum so as scum it's a 'safe' target to leave suspicion on. Now that Rayn flipped Onegu actually looks worse than I thought. Also VA the fact that you think that was a good use of your role is pretty hilarious | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On August 26 2014 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually it's particularly interesting that Onegu suspected Rayn last before he fucked off---I'm pretty sure nobody expected him to die, least of all scum so as scum it's a 'safe' target to leave suspicion on. Now that Rayn flipped Onegu actually looks worse than I thought. Also VA the fact that you think that was a good use of your role is pretty hilarious well you have to look at it from my perspective I looked pretty scummy but no way in hell did i think people would just start piling on me immediately with no thought, so I thought i would get my 2nd night action off easily. But this put me in a weird situation. if you just look at it from a timelined point of view then it is fine. if you look at it from specifically WTF hes getting lynched why he use that shitty ability? then obviously it looks stupid | ||
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