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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 25 2014 19:22 GMT
#2261
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.

Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.

We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.

Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP.


Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end.

Yeah I'm done with this.

You think mafia killed rayn? Funniest joke yet.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:23 GMT
#2262
On August 26 2014 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it.

For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself.

I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations.

Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says.
What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred?
Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown?
Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them?

I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies.

As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play.


You still haven't answered my question.
Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense?

I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1.

Maybe you're right and you would play completely normally and make sense, except then of course scum would have you as a primary target, which I believe I already pointed out.

Want to answer my questions? If you're not playing completely normally and not making sense as you say yourself, then why, if you're town?


Sadly my ego won't let me make an argument for why it's logical for me to play badly after not playing a serious game for 6 months.

Or maybe I just did.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 25 2014 19:23 GMT
#2263
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?

If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad.


Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games?

Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in?


What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia.

You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense?

Yes, and generally you are the one leading them, but you weren't this time.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:25 GMT
#2264
On August 26 2014 04:22 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1.

Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him.

We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia.

Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP.


Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end.

Yeah I'm done with this.

You think mafia killed rayn? Funniest joke yet.


Uh no? I think the SK killed Rayn. Just you're creating a narrative of the SK night kill that "makes sense" to you, but you should have played enough games by now to realize that people get shot for any number of retarded nonsensical reasons that you don't think of.

And then I get stuck here defending myself against a narrative that you're already biased to believe.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 25 2014 19:27 GMT
#2265
Actually the best narrative of the SK NK was GB's analysis because as far as I know, he doesn't think it's you.
The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well.

Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his?

Again, is there something else we should be doing right now?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:27 GMT
#2266
On August 26 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote:
The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish.


So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia.

Like. Really?

If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad.


Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games?

Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in?


What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia.

You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense?

Yes, and generally you are the one leading them, but you weren't this time.


In Shadow I didn't lead anything. There are many games I haven't. Again, deifying my town play. Flattering, but not true.

Also, have you even read the lynch?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=85#1686

I'd argue that this post kicks it off. It's not like switching off you was a thing until I considered it.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:29 GMT
#2267
On August 26 2014 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually the best narrative of the SK NK was GB's analysis because as far as I know, he doesn't think it's you.
The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well.

Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his?


I really don't care about the SK right now. Finding mafia is the priority. Then you find the SK when his objective is no longer to find mafia.

Again, is there something else we should be doing right now?


See: above
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:32 GMT
#2268
Now on the topic of finding mafia: is this a good idea or not?
On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.

We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.

Discuss.


If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip?
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 25 2014 19:38 GMT
#2269
Hap did you read the thread where everyone has said that?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 19:38 GMT
#2270
I guess that host WIFOM isn't really reason enough to believe the claim. I'll keep my vote on Onegu though until he finally catches up with the thread
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:41 GMT
#2271
On August 26 2014 04:38 Damdred wrote:
Hap did you read the thread where everyone has said that?


?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:48 GMT
#2272
Also, I still think VA is our lynch today.

Everything he's done today:
  • Sketchy Claim
  • Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).


This post in particular is pretty bad:
On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky.


Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure.


I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 25 2014 19:49 GMT
#2273
On August 26 2014 04:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Now on the topic of finding mafia: is this a good idea or not?
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia.

We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia.

Discuss.


If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip?

He's not much more than a flip. There's a little bit of stuff regarding his stuff on rayn if you'd care to read, but otherwise I fail to see where we'd be lynching outside of those I mentioned.

And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is?

I'm out for a while.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:52 GMT
#2274
On August 26 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
...

And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is?


My perspective is that blues are pretty over-rated, and I wouldn't mind trading a blue at 1:1 for mafia. Also, some people seem to be for lynching the coinflip (Onegu) before Vayne, so yeah.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:01 GMT
#2275
Hm and everyone's gone now.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:02 GMT
#2276
Amazing that people care more about chasing around SK ghosts than finding mafia.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 25 2014 20:18 GMT
#2277
Yeah lynching VA seems good. I really hope Onegu returns from lurking even without pressure though.

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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 25 2014 20:30 GMT
#2278
On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, I still think VA is our lynch today.

Everything he's done today:
  • Sketchy Claim
  • Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).


This post in particular is pretty bad:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky.


Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure.


I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim.


you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually.
I come in for the scraps
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:32 GMT
#2279
On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, I still think VA is our lynch today.

Everything he's done today:
  • Sketchy Claim
  • Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).


This post in particular is pretty bad:
On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky.


Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure.


I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim.


you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually.


How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 25 2014 20:33 GMT
#2280
people voting me REALLY need to revisit the list of people in this game and go down a checklist of it and see that the game is way simpler then you are making it right now.
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