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On August 26 2014 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today: - Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos?
Did you forget how robik was lynched? that pretty much absolves xatalos and wave as mafia. the first for voting him and the latter for adamantly refusing to switch which would be idiotic play as mafia there. Damdred is still up for being mafia but cant be SK, not worth lynching today.
I admit that I forgot about Kelsier but I think he has been pretty town the entire game, wouldnt lynch him either. who does that leave exactly? right.
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On August 26 2014 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today: - Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos? Did you forget how robik was lynched? that pretty much absolves xatalos and wave as mafia. the first for voting him and the latter for adamantly refusing to switch which would be idiotic play as mafia there. Damdred is still up for being mafia but cant be SK, not worth lynching today.
As I pointed out before, Xatalos was in a situation where he was forced to vote literally anyone but himself (him being the alternative wagon). I read him town from behavior and from the general "feel" of the lynch (likely that two townies were on the block), but that doesn't mean he "confirmed" in the same way that others are.
RE: Wave - there's no reason for mafia not to object to the lynch. In one of my first games (Newbie 23), we ended up last-minute lynching the Godfather, and the only active scum at the deadline was objecting to the lynch. There's no reason why mafia can't do that.
If you want to read them as town for other reasons, I'm all ears. But you're making these sweeping conclusions about the lynch that just aren't correct.
I admit that I forgot about Kelsier but I think he has been pretty town the entire game, wouldnt lynch him either. who does that leave exactly? right.
So who is the 3rd mafia then? You've basically confirmed everyone but Onegu, which means that you're terribly wrong about at least one person.
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So I said I didn't like the way VA played yesterday and I really hated the claim which felt really bad.
But I pointed out with the roles that there is probably one town power role left, considering no one has counter claimed him then I don't see why we are so keen to lynch a PR.
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On August 26 2014 05:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today: - Sketchy Claim
- Sheep thread sentiment read-wise (Onegu is scum, I am SK).
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:
So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos? Did you forget how robik was lynched? that pretty much absolves xatalos and wave as mafia. the first for voting him and the latter for adamantly refusing to switch which would be idiotic play as mafia there. Damdred is still up for being mafia but cant be SK, not worth lynching today. As I pointed out before, Xatalos was in a situation where he was forced to vote literally anyone but himself (him being the alternative wagon). I read him town from behavior and from the general "feel" of the lynch (likely that two townies were on the block), but that doesn't mean he "confirmed" in the same way that others are. RE: Wave - there's no reason for mafia not to object to the lynch. In one of my first games (Newbie 23), we ended up last-minute lynching the Godfather, and the only active scum at the deadline was objecting to the lynch. There's no reason why mafia can't do that. If you want to read them as town for other reasons, I'm all ears. But you're making these sweeping conclusions about the lynch that just aren't correct. Show nested quote +I admit that I forgot about Kelsier but I think he has been pretty town the entire game, wouldnt lynch him either. who does that leave exactly? right.
So who is the 3rd mafia then? You've basically confirmed everyone but Onegu, which means that you're terribly wrong about at least one person.
3 possibilities that im mulling over atm are
1. Damdred, this one is obvious, could just not have been him to send in the kill, but I think this is farfetch'd if onegu is the other mafia considering I wouldnt send in our kill on onegu as he was a likely target to get RB'd or the like. not feeling this.
2. Wave, you're right he could have just panic'd and refused to lynch his buddy but as you state yourself thats a newbie game and this is a long time player. I dont see him making that mistake here.
3. Kelsier, good new scumplayer that is fooling us all? thats what im left with. As you can see its not easy to just "find the third scum" the game isnt solved to the end yet.
Your push of xatalos is inconsistent with the meta read which you gave him btw, which I agree fully with after reading it. so i dont know why you keep wanting to bring xatalos in this.
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So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
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On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier).
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On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier).
But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought?
I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely
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Btw if there's another power role out there (Cop? Doctor?) I don't think they would claim but rather just silently vote for VA. Why claim when it looks like VA is getting lynched anyway?
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On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely
I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible.
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On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible.
I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense
Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK.
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On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK.
Because top town consider va scum too?
The fuck?
Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa?
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On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa?
The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true.
You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine.
then hapa made another point about VA and you said
"oh yeh VA is probably the lynch"
And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off.
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On August 26 2014 06:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa? The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true. You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine. then hapa made another point about VA and you said "oh yeh VA is probably the lynch" And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off.
Read the thread again bro and look at when I voted for va.
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Oh wait, did you think you were talking to xat?
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On August 26 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh wait, did you think you were talking to xat?
yes I did sorry
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I think in the end you need to stop using associative shit so much and decide who YOU think is scummy and vote for them.
If VA is scummy it shouldn't matter who else brought shit up.
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On August 26 2014 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think in the end you need to stop using associative shit so much and decide who YOU think is scummy and vote for them.
If VA is scummy it shouldn't matter who else brought shit up.
I would like Xat to answer
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Quick question statement:
Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1.
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On August 26 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Quick question statement:
Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1.
It is conceivable that the other PR has a check on rayn, which would not be surprising considering he was a question for a lot of people and was an unexpected NK.
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On August 26 2014 06:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:28 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So Xat I know you think I tunneled on to you but I just want you to explain this reasoning to me.
In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all.
Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK.
So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine.
I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa? The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true. You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine. then hapa made another point about VA and you said "oh yeh VA is probably the lynch" And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off.
I just really don't care too much if Hapa is SK or not right now. Even if he is (which is far from certain), I heavily doubt he would be concerned about voting for scum today. It would just increase his credibility. And he CAN'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS SCUM OR NOT. So it's not like he knows who the scum are and can avoid lynching them. As either town or SK, he'll just find the most scummy player and lynch him.
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