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On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no?  you haven't countered any of my points against you.
I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly.
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On August 27 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? you haven't countered any of my points against you. I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly.
"I made lots of posts" sick counter argument.
I'm not going to rehash here but you best have something better after this day phase.
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On August 26 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum. His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me. He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today
I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice.
I think it'd be difficult for KSC to maintain this level of effort / care for the lynch choices throughout the game as SK.
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Then again, it feels like Onegu might just be modkilled at this rate.
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On August 27 2014 00:05 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:27 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:22 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. Now you know how I feel, no? you haven't countered any of my points against you. I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly. "I made lots of posts" sick counter argument. I'm not going to rehash here but you best have something better after this day phase.
You have yet much to learn, young padawan. One day you will see the light and realize I'm town. Until then it's fine if you just accept that I'm not to be lynched today.
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On August 27 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum. His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me. He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice. I think it'd be difficult for KSC to maintain this level of effort / care for the lynch choices throughout the game as SK.
Then whos a legit second target for a wagon to you if you think VA claim is real? Or is it just Onegu (who might get mod killed anyway today)
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On August 27 2014 00:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 23:11 Xatalos wrote:
This argument is a bit too WIFOM for my taste :/ The fact remains that KSC has pushed his own views really hard and appears to evaluate his reads constantly (although with some weird methods). I don't like how he disregards things like the meta towncase on me, but that's not enough to lynch him at all... He seems more misguided than pushing a mislynch on me. It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I don't think scum KSC would so casually townread scum Robik though. And awkward entrances aren't limited to scum. His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me. He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice. I think it'd be difficult for KSC to maintain this level of effort / care for the lynch choices throughout the game as SK. Then whos a legit second target for a wagon to you if you think VA claim is real? Or is it just Onegu (who might get mod killed anyway today)
I think it might be real. Hard to say, but it's possible. Since the possibility exists, Onegu may be the better choice. If he just gets modkilled then VA I guess.
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Xata what do you think about wave right now
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On August 27 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote:
Xata what do you think about wave right now
Probably town? He's put in a lot of effort to analyze the game IMO. It worries me a bit that he claimed to follow jat's lead with last-minute shenanigans, but refused to follow when jat voted for Robik and it was between me/Robik. It feels weird that he would choose to save Robik instead of me when he townread me. Then again, would he really act so obviously against it if he was Robik's teammate? WIFOM...
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Actually WOS didn't exactly townread me.
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oh yea? Explain that to me Xata?
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Still weird that he refused to vote for Robik when 1) he claimed to follow jat's lead and jat voted for Robik 2) he didn't have any real opinion of Robik (except "Robik being Robik") and didn't exactly townread me, but agreed with me a lot and didn't seem to at least suspect me.
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I can't see him giving a real read on either me or Robik anywhere during D1. Maybe it's a bit off that he opposed lynching Robik so much.
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It would be dumb to be so direct as scum though. WIFOM 
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I'm not sure theres no that much interaction between wave and Robik, looking back on Robiks filters someone should of called him out about how hard his town reads on people were so early and how fast he flipped scum read on rayn to a town read and then poked at other people who did the same thing. While I said wave and rob didn't have much interaction rob didn't have much interaction with anyone besides trying to point people more towards GB and town reading Kel.
I'm going to re-read waves filter but I don't think hes the lynch tdoay
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Yeah I don't see it as sensible to lynch WOS now. Perhaps he should be revisited depending on today's flip.
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Some things:
GB what the fuck are you doing?
It's sad when Xat is actually the one making the most sense in thread.
Traps are fucking stupid because they never set out to do what they're supposed to.
On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 20:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 26 2014 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:
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He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched
It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. (A) At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu.I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. (C)Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. (D)GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all.I (E) wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely.All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSCYou're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today.firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/e4f28f57c44b2aca4f5dc2313a27045e/tumblr_miyx1jSmEv1qcakl4o1_400.gif) What explanation I didn't see that at all I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you.
Considering you're arguing with the king of confirmation bias in thread right now, why would you not consider that neither your 1) or 2) are right? You're ruling out a whole bunch of mafia activity possibilities when YOU YOURSELF said:
E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game.
I already brought up this example but in Heavyweights we killed a towny N1 who was COMPLETELY WRONG on ALL THREE of his scumreads at the time and we came out ahead. Trying to base NK speculation solely on people's reads is simply bad. KSC has the right of it here, and very obviously so.
I get you refuting his post that you analyzed, but how in the hell does that post make him scum exactly, GB?
I'm with Xat on this in that he has spent way too much effort and stuck to his horrible heuristics too hard after being constantly scrutinized for them to be scum. Scum would be correcting his play to blend in more than this.
Oh and btw Xat:
On August 26 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote:
I know for sure that I'd be sheeping KSC's views all game as scum. Such an easy ally to gain just by sheeping him.
On August 26 2014 20:31 Xatalos wrote:
This makes me worry about WOS/Damdred a bit but they'll be another day's worry regardless...
This is particularly silly considering I have been the one to push VA for the majority of the day, and have been in various arguments with KSC throughout. How the hell could you think I am trying to 'sheep' KSC, and more importantly, why in the hell of all people, as scum, would I sheep HIM?
KSC is right and the lynch WILL be between VA and Onegu, and nobody else.
Vote accordingly.
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I think you are taking that one quote out of context a bit Wave, he was making fun of KSC always town reading people who agree with his reads. Also i'm going to be out for a bit but i'll finish up reading in a bit.
##Vote Onegu
I've read most of his town and mafia games, it just feels more mafia than town but there is always wild swings in his gameplay either way. but feels more like the mafia version.
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On August 27 2014 01:44 Damdred wrote:
I think you are taking that one quote out of context a bit Wave, he was making fun of KSC always town reading people who agree with his reads. Also i'm going to be out for a bit but i'll finish up reading in a bit.
##Vote Onegu
I've read most of his town and mafia games, it just feels more mafia than town but there is always wild swings in his gameplay either way. but feels more like the mafia version.
What? That's not what it looked like to me. Especially since you guys all of a sudden seem to be suspicious of me again for whatever reason.
I'd recommend being careful if we decide to vote Onegu, btw. If he does get modkilled it comes down to 'do we want to play it safe' or not. We could in theory hit two scum (or SK) today if Onegu is modkilled.
For those people still doubting VA, please reread this post
On August 26 2014 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 26 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that? i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafiathis game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch. I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game) Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless.
Note (especially you, GB) that VA while claiming early which is supposedly supposed to help town get it out of the way early as he said in that old game actually put forth effort to do things in that game after his terrible claim. Not so here.
Also important to note that VA SHOULD KNOW based on that old game that no way in hell was anybody ever going to 'get it out of the way so we can scumhunt.' It's fucked with town most of the day and he needs to burn for it.
As I've already said today, I will be voting one of VA/Onegu/maybe Hapa---who, by the way, has done absolutely dick today.
I can see no reason to vote what I would call 'secondary targets' (ie Xat/KSC/Damdred if it comes down to it, which it won't) before any of the former.
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I already said that it was stupid to include your name there, WOS, so dunno why you would bring it up again.
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