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slOosh
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On June 25 2014 08:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [/b]Reads Town Chezinu - The way the game has developed makes no sense for him to be mafia. There's also one comment in his filter that makes me near certain that he's town. Release - Has been pushing the game forward since the start, even though I didn't always agree with the means. Was on the right wagon for the right reasons on D2. Snickers - Flipped mafia joined a bandwagon on him at the last moment to save his own skin. slOosh - His D1 was really strong and he's asking questions and pushing the game forward rather than just his own reads. If I'm wrong on any of my town reads, I think it's slOosh though. ? Koshi - Koshi's alignment gives me headaches. In the first day he was active he actually asked a lot of questions and interacted. He's also tried engaging me when I scumread him, but the problem is that for a large part of D3 he played a very defensive game, just stating that he's town and appealing to emotion when faced with pressure. I'm torn between him and Lazermonkey. I believe that a town Koshi can show that he's town errygame. I'm not convinced he's town yet. BH - BH's play is a complete opposite to Koshi; He played awfully on D1, then really stepped it up after antagonizing everyone on N1. Built a case on mderg and pushed him, but the problem is that he's also tunneled two townies to death. Three dead townies (VE, 27nb, goodkarma) suspected BH. BH's also known for legendary scumplay and he tried the antagonistic route first. I can see him being scum here despite everything that's happened. Scum Lazermonkey Lazer's arguments have felt shallow for a while now. It feels like he's barely scratching the surface with his questions. He's been active yet he's never actually tried to push his targets in a meaningful manner and just ends up sheeping. His Koshi read is ill-constructed and he jumped to pressure me with slOosh, and backed off when he did as well. Lazer is my #1 candidate for scum atm. On June 22 2014 10:21 Chezinu wrote: Oh and one more think Art... VE would have died. So obv I'm town. oh wait, are you saying you protects VE last night? Trolololololo Hey guys... I have more flavor than Vanilla as some of you have predicted. I'm SOO EXCITED!!!! | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
Also, somebody mentioned him saving someone. There could be more than one medic i think for town. Also Lazer your wifom is terrible. I already explained why. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On June 25 2014 11:03 Snickers wrote: I would not be surprised if mafia killed NameDropper just because one of the persons he had as town is mafia. Also, somebody mentioned him saving someone. There could be more than one medic i think for town. Also Lazer your wifom is terrible. I already explained why. I think there could be a MAFIA MEDIC!! yeah, it's like I understand now. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
On June 24 2014 06:28 Lazermonkey wrote: LOL. I really didn't remember that. Well this makes me look much better, doesn't it? : D Yea so here is me delivering on YKZ's request. Also how have you guys played all these mafia games but do not realize there could be two medics in this game. So we have no clue if art saved someone. And yea I am most likely going to vote Lazer. If Lazer flips town, well that would leave me like koshi was left earlier. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On June 25 2014 11:14 Snickers wrote: Yea so here is me delivering on YKZ's request. Also how have you guys played all these mafia games but do not realize there could be two medics in this game. So we have no clue if art saved someone. And yea I am most likely going to vote Lazer. If Lazer flips town, well that would leave me like koshi was left earlier. I read that this was a Normal game so I didn't read the roles... Just learned that this isn't a normal game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 25 2014 11:03 Snickers wrote: I would not be surprised if mafia killed NameDropper just because one of the persons he had as town is mafia. Also, somebody mentioned him saving someone. There could be more than one medic i think for town. Also Lazer your wifom is terrible. I already explained why. Okay, Snickers, I'm getting sick and tired of this. MY (???) WIFOM is terrible? No, you are the only one that is using terrible WIFOM. You are the one using massive assumptions to justify your scum read on me. Can you please explain to me why what I did makes me scum? Why is my action NOT likely to have come from a townie? Get your shit together, Snickers. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 25 2014 06:23 slOosh wrote: Here is why I'd rather lynch Lazermonkey than Koshi. Artanis, this is also why I'd rather lynch BH than into Lazermonkey / Koshi if you feel so strongly on the Koshi read. Also both BH and LM want to lynch Koshi. I am totally not down for a Koshi lynch. On June 25 2014 10:36 slOosh wrote: Right. Let's do this guys. ##Vote Lazermonkey | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 22 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote: I agree with Artanis that VE is town from mderg filter. I was a bit too focused on the mderg scumread into voting BH earlier. It would be pretty insane scumplay to buss each other with big cases into moving away from each other right before lynch. For me scummers are: Lazermonkey/Sloosh Then he votes LM, which makes sense On June 22 2014 20:14 Koshi wrote: Lynching people who are doing absolutely nothing is really good. Never fails really. Always mafia. ##vote: Lazermonkey When he starts mentioning VE again, he asks for reasons that VE is not mafia then votes VE based on my case, with almost no explanation On June 23 2014 22:05 Koshi wrote: I actually like this BH case again. The only thing I don't like is the vigi part. BH is like 99% town for me. I don't even understand why VE/Sloosh/Release are voting for him or calling him scum. If he is alive in lylo I would reconsider but I have never seen BH play this normal. I like this normal play. Sheeping BH pretty good. ##unvote ##vote: VE Last 2 scums could be VE/Lazermonkey. SloOsh still very possible as well. But he likes me so I like him. I am friendly like that. Chezinu, your play is not exciting me at all. Add more Chezazzle to it. Even at this point I consider Koshi to be chill. I don't mind this vote in a vacuum. The 180 on VE is surprising, but I've put in work. The problem here is that the explanation is lacking. Well, don't worry, Koshi shows up shortly thereafter with some mad explanation:(link). In his large post about 6 hours later, Koshi is writing about how LM is town and how he wants to lynch LM, rather than about VE. People call him out and he defends himself but never pushes VE futher. The lack of followup isn't a main poitn, actually. Really it's just the "vote VE, big case on LM". I don't like it. Koshi is imo a higher prio target than LM, whose latevote on D2 only really makes sense from a town perspective. ##vote Koshi | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
I continue to believe that Koshi is scum. As I said earlier: On June 24 2014 08:26 YouKnowZhou wrote:The part that for me looks like a contrived bus is his vote for VE. He makes the post here: After scumreading LM, who is the big counterwagon, he is convinced by my case on VE. He also says he doesn't understand why VE is voting me (though if VE is scum, it's very obvious why VE would vote me). He doesn't explain himself thoroughly and hasn't made many scumreads on VE. I'm glad he's voting VE, but then he makes a really really big post after voting VE about how he wants to lynch LM (link) and then he doesn't vote LM. Imo, whatever waferlike reasons I had before for thinking Koshi scum, this really nails it for me. Why is he voting VE? He says he's convinced by the non-vigi proportion of my case, but he's not arguing for a VE lynch in the thread, he's arguing for an LM lynch, and his vote is still on VE even as LM is the counterwagon. Then he's like "well they could both be scum together". This is like an infinitely less skillfull version of what VE was doing D2. Okay, so I started this post about how we shouldn't lynch Koshi today but actually I'd be okay with it. If our options are LM vs Koshi, I'm voting Koshi. However, since we're lynching VE, let's lynch VE. Koshi tomorrow. Now, it turns out that VE flipped town, so clearly Koshi was not bussing VE. But the underlying problem here, which is that Koshi's posting and voting don't align, still applies. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
1) With the first quote you should also add that in the start of the night I wanted to lynch VE. But then Artanis said something smart and I agreed with it and said SloOsh/LM was better. However, it is not that my VE suspicion on D3 came out of nowhere like you appear it to be. 2) So now were are quoting posts that make sense. Useful. This is 1/3rd of your case already and nothing happened. 3) You are not reading the thread BH, I explained why I asked that question to LM about VE. That entire "transition" moment in your case on me is wrong. Kinda sad because the reasoning for my question is in the thread. Halfway your case and still nothing. On June 25 2014 04:47 Koshi wrote: No wait. In his reads on N1 post LM said that his top scumreads were Koshi/VE and then after rereading D2 he said SloOsh/Koshi. So I said "Why is VE mafia not mafia" because something must have happened in his rereading. Because he sticked to all his other reads but VE didn't get mentioned again. I wanted to see a reaction. LM then dodged this question and his promised big post later he again to explain everything but then when he explained everything he against flipped SloOsh and VE around and was more scum on VE again and the reasons to why SloOsh was scum during his reread was minimized to "SloOsh is scum for being on the wrong wagon" and "general voting". 4) Yes, I followed your big case on VE. It was a good case. I also followed your case on mderg and it fueled that lynch. Is there a difference between how I followed this case and how I followed mderg case? Is there scum motivation? If it is the same, why were you town on me till it was clear VE or me were going to be lynched D3? Again. I also want to add I wanted to lynch VE before. This case just made my desire to lynch VE strong again. Like... What is scummy about this: I think x is scum ---> Somebody says x is not scum because y ----> I agree and say x is probably town ---> Somebody else says x is scum for reasons abcd ----> I think x is scum again. It shows town mindset imo and not scum. 5) Artanis wanted me to do something and because I couldn't add more to your VE case I wanted to make a general "how to win this game post". In this post I wanted to write quick reasons to why VE/LM/Sloosh were scum. When I got to LM his filter I quoted posts which showed he was clearly following the thread but choose not to comment on Mderg/VE but just kept pushing me. I got distracted from my original goal and pressed send when I was done with LM. Pretty sure I wanted to interact a bit around this case but it didn't happen. The part about VE was because I had VE/LM as most likely scumteam since I voted VE and it seemed less likely after reading LM filter. I AGREE that it was a bad post. You should think could town Koshi have made it? Pro-tip: The answer is yes. Your case is bad BH. Try again? I want you to try again. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
Lazer says that him not remembering his vote says something to the effectt of "well this does not make me look good :D" Then I say that it makes him look bad and this flips his world upside down. Ykz is scum because he broke out of his character completely now. Also look at how weak his case on koshi is compared to VE. Even 27nb. Also he did not comment on me responding to him. Lazer is more so than ykz. Side not: koshi's recent point about is weird. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 26 2014 00:13 Snickers wrote: Yea so last two scum are ykz and lazer. Lazer says that him not remembering his vote says something to the effectt of "well this does not make me look good :D" Then I say that it makes him look bad and this flips his world upside down. Ykz is scum because he broke out of his character completely now. Also look at how weak his case on koshi is compared to VE. Even 27nb. Also he did not comment on me responding to him. Lazer is more so than ykz. Side not: koshi's recent point about is weird. Well this is a lie. I said "Well this makes me look much better, doesn't it? : D" because it meant that I voted for scum D1. I am done with you though. All your reads are super off, you refuse to look at what I write and you are probably town. No reason to spend any time on you. Once you adress my points or make a super clear post on why what I did makes me scum I'm willing to speak with you. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 26 2014 02:06 Snickers wrote: I'm done with you :D. Please just sheep someone with a brain when I get misslynched.You say I'm probably town then say you will not question me anymore? Lol that makes a lot of sense. Already clearly stated it and you still do not get it. Also you are confused. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
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