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On June 18 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him. ##Vote: mderg From You Only Shoot Once (first game that popped up) Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might like a BH lynch the most at present. Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:19 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count! Palmar (3) - VisceraEyes, VayneAuthority, Odinofpergo, Ace Caller (1) - prplhz, Ace, Sandroba, yamato77, VisceraEyesGeript (1) - Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, BlazingHand VisceraEyes (2) - Caller, strongandbig prplhz (immune) (0) - Foolishness, Koshi, Blazinghandstrongandbig (6) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyesCephiro (1) - prplhz Foolishness (1) - Sandroba Oatsmaster (1) - Austinmcc Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes until lynch. 12 votes are needed to lynch. VE is extremely backseat and content to watch the town do it's own thing, making up excuses not to give reads / do anything. ##Unvote Artanis[Xp]
##Vote VisceraEyes
FYI: VE was town in the game you referenced. From what I've seen in his meta he's been more active and involved as both town and scum in prior games. So, is there some kind of meta analysis you've done that's determined he'd be more likely to behave like this as scum than as town?
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On June 18 2014 05:14 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him. ##Vote: mderg From You Only Shoot Once (first game that popped up) On April 28 2014 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might like a BH lynch the most at present. On April 28 2014 03:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
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##Vote: Blazinghand On April 28 2014 04:19 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count! Palmar (3) - VisceraEyes, VayneAuthority, Odinofpergo, Ace Caller (1) - prplhz, Ace, Sandroba, yamato77, VisceraEyesGeript (1) - Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, BlazingHand VisceraEyes (2) - Caller, strongandbig prplhz (immune) (0) - Foolishness, Koshi, Blazinghandstrongandbig (6) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyesCephiro (1) - prplhz Foolishness (1) - Sandroba Oatsmaster (1) - Austinmcc Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes until lynch. 12 votes are needed to lynch. VE is extremely backseat and content to watch the town do it's own thing, making up excuses not to give reads / do anything. ##Unvote Artanis[Xp]
##Vote VisceraEyes FYI: VE was town in the game you referenced. From what I've seen in his meta he's been more active and involved as both town and scum in prior games. So, is there some kind of meta analysis you've done that's determined he'd be more likely to behave like this as scum than as town?
I'm citing the game as an example in which he read BH and voted him first. This game VE claimed "as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle", presumably as some sort of policy. It looks like an excuse not to give reads on BH.
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Hi all. Playing dotas. Totes town.
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On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm.
Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it.
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slOosh is that really all you're going to do to try and get your main suspect killed?
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On June 18 2014 05:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh is that really all you're going to do to try and get your main suspect killed?
I assume you are talking about VisceraEyes. If it isn't clear, I'm still trying to figure out what's the best lynch and I don't feel very strongly about it yet. Hence the discussion about other people.
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Hi Koshi.
##Vote Koshi
Replacements have been overwhelmingly mafia as of late. Plus I'm still salty from Cell I.
On June 18 2014 05:22 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it.
You've cited nothing that discerns scum BH from town BH. He loves policy and he overexaggerates his opinion to get people lynched. He stopped trying to convince people to lynch bunnies because he no longer believed that when he stopped doing that. The gambit on catching bunnies can be from either alignment, I'm not sure what you're drawing from that.
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On June 18 2014 05:22 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it.
I didn't give up on it, it's 100% solid based on kenpachi rule and kenpachi rule extended. The fact that you guys don't believe in kenpachi rule extended doesn't make it wrong, it just makes you wrong. I'm not unvoting bunnies, and in the end you'll all apologize for being so wrong, or thank me for my leadership. One way or another, I'll be victorious and my notoriety will only increase. Long live kenpachi
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Oh wait, you're still voting bunnies?
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On June 17 2014 14:48 YouKnowZhou wrote:
As far as I can see, I see no reason not to lynch her, and as far as I can see, I don't see why you don't see a reason not to lynch her.
I don't see how he gave up on it in terms of stances. He gave up in convincing people which is my point.
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On June 18 2014 05:32 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 14:48 YouKnowZhou wrote:
As far as I can see, I see no reason not to lynch her, and as far as I can see, I don't see why you don't see a reason not to lynch her. I don't see how he gave up on it in terms of stances. He gave up in convincing people which is my point.
If his argument hasn't changed and it's simply people not finding it good enough then that's an understandable reason for me why he'd give up on it. I don't see it as being scummy.
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On June 18 2014 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Koshi. ##Vote KoshiReplacements have been overwhelmingly mafia as of late. Plus I'm still salty from Cell I. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:22 slOosh wrote:On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it. You've cited nothing that discerns scum BH from town BH. He loves policy and he overexaggerates his opinion to get people lynched. He stopped trying to convince people to lynch bunnies because he no longer believed that when he stopped doing that. The gambit on catching bunnies can be from either alignment, I'm not sure what you're drawing from that.
Where's bunnies right now, when we have more stuff to discuss? Sure, I'm not engaging the thread and talking about mderg (though nobody wants to summarise mderg stuff for me and I'm too lazy/busy at dinner to deal with it right now) but 27nb is conveniently gone! Yes, 27nb who could only think about my first post, who kenpachi rule, then kenpachi rule extended so hard, that if 27nb is scum you would all have to admit that kenpachi rule is the best policy. And yet here we are, with no votes on 27nb, and you know why? It's because you are weak. You are afraid, you don't trust the kenpachi rule. I understand, it's scary to put your faith in a rule. But when it comes down to it, kenpachi rule WORKS. Historically. People dislike the kenpachi rule, but try finding a better method of lynching people D1. RNG might cut it, but not in a game like this with a single faction.
The only thing you can trust on D1 is Kenpachi Rule in a game like this imo
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Vote Count - Day 1:
mderg (3): VisceraEyes, Lazermonkey, Chezinu, Snickers
27ninjabunnies (2): YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey, mderg
VisceraEyes (2): Lazermonkey, slOosh
YouKnowZhou (1): 27ninjabunnies, Release, goodkarma
Koshi (1): Artanis[Xp]
Release (0): Artanis[Xp], Snickers
Artanis[Xp] (0): slOosh
Currently Not Voting (3): goodkarma, Koshi, 27ninjabunnies,
Currently mderg is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here.
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On June 18 2014 05:33 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Koshi. ##Vote KoshiReplacements have been overwhelmingly mafia as of late. Plus I'm still salty from Cell I. On June 18 2014 05:22 slOosh wrote:On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it. You've cited nothing that discerns scum BH from town BH. He loves policy and he overexaggerates his opinion to get people lynched. He stopped trying to convince people to lynch bunnies because he no longer believed that when he stopped doing that. The gambit on catching bunnies can be from either alignment, I'm not sure what you're drawing from that. Where's bunnies right now, when we have more stuff to discuss? Sure, I'm not engaging the thread and talking about mderg (though nobody wants to summarise mderg stuff for me and I'm too lazy/busy at dinner to deal with it right now) but 27nb is conveniently gone! Yes, 27nb who could only think about my first post, who kenpachi rule, then kenpachi rule extended so hard, that if 27nb is scum you would all have to admit that kenpachi rule is the best policy. And yet here we are, with no votes on 27nb, and you know why? It's because you are weak. You are afraid, you don't trust the kenpachi rule. I understand, it's scary to put your faith in a rule. But when it comes down to it, kenpachi rule WORKS. Historically. People dislike the kenpachi rule, but try finding a better method of lynching people D1. RNG might cut it, but not in a game like this with a single faction. The only thing you can trust on D1 is Kenpachi Rule in a game like this imo
I believe in the Kenpachi rule. I don't believe what happened was the Kenpachi rule in action.
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
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On June 18 2014 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait, you're still voting bunnies?
Yes, and I will only ever unvote if absolutely necessary to avoid some kind of awful lynch. That being said, as the shenannigan king I feel obligated to read about the cases and be ready for shenannies. I forgot to mention, the only thing better than certain policy lynch are shenannies, which have like a 67% success ratio on D1 for some reason. So I will bring the shenannies, if necessary, to save the day. Priority #1 though is 27nb. What has 27nb done that's been remotely useful all game? Nothing (though I'm too lazy to reread her filter to see). Look at that unvote on me when she realizes I can beat her 1 on 1? Look at that. Now, if you're town and you see scum rallying votes against you, do you just like unvote? Hell no. You double down, ratchet up the pressure, and go all in, so to speak. And yet here she is bailing under the pressure, and she even says "I know this won't stop the votes on me" to make the votes on her stop. A brilliant ploy, and you all got suckered by it.
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On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here. ##Unvote
My logic was different. I never said that they cannot both be scum. I also didn´t point out several things out that were alignment unindicative, it was one point made by YKZ that I don´t think is actually scummy. The things I didn´t like about her were the focus on the "scumslip" by YKZ, the thing about Release and townreading Artanis. Clearly more things that I think are scummy than things not alignment indicative.
The thing(s) I pointed out that weren´t alignment indicative were points brought up by YKZ which I didn´t really agree with. That´s the reason for bringing it up.
I think you´re "defending" me for the wrong reasons.
On June 18 2014 02:29 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:I almost forgot about this due to the world cup  The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: " As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."
And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow.##vote 27ninjabunnies Yea it seems really strange that you are only leaning towards somebody and you vote for them. Saying that you are not 100% sure you will return to the game to reevaluate the situation. It would be terrible for a town to vote for someone with only about half the information we have. Then say he may not change it until the lynch. So you were leaning towards bunnies but felt she was scum enough that if you did not make it to a computer she could be lynched because of this vote. ##Unvote
##Vote mdergI still think Release is scum but I am more confident that mderg is at this time. Also we have to consolidate our posts and i think it would be easier for people to see this slip. Also more people on mderg atm than release.
I was pretty heavily leaning scum on bunnies, so voting her seems logical, doesn´t it? I was also pretty sure that I´d be here today, just not how much time I could invest.
Your reasoning that she could be lynched because of this one vote is flawed. Even in the case that I could not get to a computer today placing the vote would have been the correct choice. Taking the risk that bunnies is potentially mislynched when I think she´s more likely scum than town is better than risk being modkilled.
5. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
I generally don´t ask that many direct questions, I rather point things out that I find strange and most of the time people respond to these things. So it should have about the same effect as asking questions. Just scrolled through your Cell Mini (Town) and Detention (Mafia) games. You actually asked a lot more questions as mafia. Interesting. Carry on. EBWOP
What do you take from this, though?
Also, what the hell is it with Chezinu? He doesn´t even try to make sense.
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BH, policy: Lynch all D1 replacements.
In the past two cell games I hosted I think 4/5 replacements were mafia. It's a solid policy.
Make the right lynch. Lynch Koshi.
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@Mderg I considered not asking questions a scumtell, but when I checked your last scum and towngame it was not the case and I felt it prudent to inform the thread of that as I brought it up earlier.
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On June 18 2014 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Mderg I considered not asking questions a scumtell, but when I checked your last scum and towngame it was not the case and I felt it prudent to inform the thread of that as I brought it up earlier.
Ok, that makes sense.
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YKZ, thoughts on VE please?
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