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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 21:58 GMT
#341
Okay, I don't want to lynch mderg. I actually get quite a townie feel from his filter. He commented on all relevant things, expanded on the things he found strange and explained his scumread on ninjabunnies quite well. The way he's constructed his post makes sense to me and the townread for the sake of it resonates with my feeling of her townread on me being shaky ground. I also like how he disagreed with Lazer's defense. I think scum would be more likely to take all the help they can get when they're possibly on the stake. Mderg didn't do that.

I don't want to lynch mderg today.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 17 2014 22:08 GMT
#342
27nb is not in fact the most active player in this game and has not contributed, despite making many posts. I'm going through her posts 1 by 1 and showing why.

kpr = kenpachi rule or kenpachi rule extended applies
odr = only a direct response to a mention, not new info
lcp = low or no content post, or post providing rules or jargon info
def = defense post
a2a = asking someone else about a post already written, or asking for a reply
rep = reply to a direct question
aug = adding new info about new posts to an existing case
ogi = original info, case, or line of questioning

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363732 joke
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363775 asking about vt claim (kpr)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363812 kpr ogi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363825 kpr
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363828 kpr
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363881 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363953 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363963 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363979 a2a
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364070 kpr
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364138 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364203 lcp def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364205 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364250 a2a
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364269 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364275 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364313 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364322 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364345 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364353 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364387 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364398 rep
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364439 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364462 kpr rep
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22364535 def rep
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22365083 rep ogi - but the original info she posts is "Snickers could be town or mafia" which isn't really much of a case imo
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22365086 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22369105 a2a
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22369141 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22369238 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370427 rep about associations. kpr rep @lazer
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370830 def a2a aug - after I call her out, she addresses a very small portion of my filter beyond the first post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370988 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371000 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371135 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371207 ogi talking about associative tells
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371224 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371287 def
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371536 ogi says I'm town for reading artanis as town, unvotes me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371652 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371923 rep aug about how I'm town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22373297 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374269 a2a not clear what about
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374392 lcp martyring
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374405 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374919 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374933 ogi "artanis is town" almost no explanation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22375435 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22375865 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22376936 lcp
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22377612 ogi "release is town" no explanation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22378272 lcp


The vast, vast majority of 27nb's posts fall into one of 3 categories:
1. defenses and direct replies to people questioning her
2. attacks that fall under the kenpachi rule or kenpachi rule extended
3. super low content posts just hanging out, chatting, etc.

The posts that 27nb has written that state direct opinions or add new info are these, and this is including kenpachi rule posts:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363775 asking about vt claim (kpr)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363812 kpr ogi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22365083 rep ogi - but the original info she posts is "Snickers could be town or mafia" which isn't really much of a case imo
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370427 rep about associations. kpr rep @lazer
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370830 def a2a aug - after I call her out, she addresses a very small portion of my filter beyond the first post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371207 ogi talking about associative tells
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371536 ogi says I'm town for reading artanis as town, unvotes me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371923 rep aug about how I'm town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374933 ogi "artanis is town" almost no explanation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22377612 ogi "release is town" no explanation

Looks like a lot of posts, right? But most of these are about associative tells, or are calling people town with little or NO explanation, or are pushing me (kenpachi rule), or backtracking that push when she realizes she'll get lynched for it. if yout ake out the parts about associative tells, which are worthless, you get:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363775 asking about vt claim (kpr)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22363812 kpr ogi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22365083 rep ogi - but the original info she posts is "Snickers could be town or mafia" which isn't really much of a case imo
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22370830 def a2a aug - after I call her out, she addresses a very small portion of my filter beyond the first post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371536 ogi says I'm town for reading artanis as town, unvotes me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22371923 rep aug about how I'm town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22374933 ogi "artanis is town" almost no explanation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22377612 ogi "release is town" no explanation

So basically 27nb calls me scum, then unvotes me when things go south, and calls artanis and release town without a good explanation. It's not the worst d1 filter (oatsmaster is the worst) but the fact of the matter is, people are calling 27nb active and townie for having 4 pages of no-content posts and direct responses to questions, or open-ended questions she doesn't follow up. She never pushed on the rest of my fitler, she never made a real, good scumread case, and even now she doesn't have a vote down.

You're confusing posting and spamming for activity. I know you do this, because as scum it's my biggest strength: i post a lot of bullcrap and flood the thread with it and people think "BH is an active player, working hard, etc" even though I'm scum. 27nb is trying to pull the same trick this game, but it won't work, because you can't pull that trick on the master. In terms of word count, I probably have her beat even with 1/4 the posts, and for "useful input count" i have her beat EASILY because I actually have a case out. A good case.

A case on 27nb that grows stronger.

DO NOT BE AFRAID OF HER FILTER. IT IS LONG BUT EMPTY.

look. She's trying to fool us. Don't let it happen. Vote 27nb.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:12 GMT
#343
Ninjabunnies argues a lot with YKZ and has a fight that is really dumb. Both players spend too much time on this, with 27NB coming off looking worse to me. This is because YKZ tried to trap her, whereas her accusions were reactionary. She continues to argue with to her a strong scumread that she isn't scum, which is.. interesting. She says "no, you're wrong and you're scum" a lot. From what I've seen in her town games, I don't think she would as town.

The first post she makes which isn't about BH is in the middle of page 2 of her filter.
On June 16 2014 15:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
VE<3

You still want to lynch him, even though you thought he was trolling the game?

Also, Release, I basically said the exact same thing you did, but apparently mine didnt come out like yours.

TT

But I still stick with my YKZ read.

VE probs town, Release probs town.

Snickers could be town or mafia. He seems to be buddying with YKZ, though he seems to be really trying to figure out the game.

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:26 Snickers wrote:
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.

Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.

My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.

It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.

Please comment on my thoughts



The weird thing i find is here, and his whole "We should lynch bunnies because YKZ is a knowledgeable player" seems super off to me!

Knowledgeable does not make you town.

The post says nothing new other than two townreads and some guy she says could be town or mafia, yet casts suspicion on him. It feels off, yet he could be town or mafia. Why even mention that? I don't understand its function.

Next day she wakes up, she asks me a bunch of questions, then states she thinks we're both town here. Why is she asking me questions rather than YKZ, her top scum read, or Snickers, the guy she thinks could be mafia and had something odd going on?

Unflipped associations follow which are terrible, and she should know that as she's played a few forum games by now. More contentless posts follow where she doesn't either explain her reasons for finding someone scum or ask questions, they're just.. there. Mindless arguing.

There's a lot of repetition in her filter, and a lot of comments that really aren't helping town moving forward in any way. I'm happy to get her lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote 27ninjabunnies
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 17 2014 22:12 GMT
#344
After rereads, still not sold on mderg.

Bunnies has had a poor showing after her consideration of YKZ town, and has not offered any meaningful scum reads. Best I could find is "I'm a bit iffy on snickers".

VE ... I still think there's a good chance he is mafia. No real reads and very laidback.
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 17 2014 22:20 GMT
#345
Look guys, when it comes down to it, 27nb has not in fact done anything meaningful. Is she responsible for just over 3 of our 18 pages? Sure, she is. I'm willing to admit it: 27nb represents nearly 20% of the times people hit the "post" button in this game.

Lesser people are daunted by such a large filter, but I am not. I am Blazinghand, the best player on TL Mafia, Claimer Extraordinary and Intelligent, He Who Doesn't Always Make Cases, But When He Does He Doesn't, The Catcher of the Three, The RNG Lyncher of Odin. Diving such a filter is a paltry task, and when it comes down to it, let me assure you: 27nb has written next to nothing.

She pushed me, unpushed me, then made no scumreads, talked vaguely about associative tells, and threw out a town/null read or two. That's it. Her filter is meaningless, she has done nothing, pushed nothing, taken no stances. We have to lynch her, it is NECESSARY because it is JUSTICE. Lynch 27nb. Kenpachi understands.

Lynch her not just for kenpachi, but for her filter, which I have summarized for you. Lynch her for not giving reads, for not contributing, hell, or not developing her case on me AT ALL. Lynch for putting up the facsimile of a townie but not actually hunting scum. 27nb's filter isn't the filter of an active townie, it's a simulacrum of a filter of an active townie.

Read it, and the illusion shatters.

Lynch her.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:21 GMT
#346
My case is better BH, deal with it.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 17 2014 22:22 GMT
#347
Dreams do come true!

##Unvote
##Vote 27ninjabunnies
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:23 GMT
#348
Chezinu, when will we see operation Adlez in motion?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 17 2014 22:23 GMT
#349
bunnies over mderg definitely
##Unvote VisceraEyes
##Vote 27ninjabunnies


I think the unofficial vote count right now is:

Vote Count - Day 1:


YouKnowZhou (1): Release
27ninjabunnies (4): YouKnowZhou, mderg, Artanis[Xp], slOosh
mderg (3): VisceraEyes, Snickers, Chezinu
VisceraEyes (1) : Lazermonkey

Currently Not Voting (3): goodkarma, Koshi, 27ninjabunnies


Currently 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Day will end in
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 17 2014 22:23 GMT
#350
On June 18 2014 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Chezinu, when will we see operation Adlez in motion?

Do you even Adlez?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:25 GMT
#351
On June 18 2014 07:23 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Chezinu, when will we see operation Adlez in motion?

Do you even Adlez?

I've always been more of a Sinatra kind of guy, to be honest.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 17 2014 22:29 GMT
#352
On June 18 2014 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:23 Chezinu wrote:
On June 18 2014 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Chezinu, when will we see operation Adlez in motion?

Do you even Adlez?

I've always been more of a Sinatra kind of guy, to be honest.

Yeah, Unizehc is pretty cool too.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 17 2014 22:35 GMT
#353
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.

Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.

But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 17 2014 22:36 GMT
#354
wtf why aren't more people voting for mderg?

No matter. I'll just yell at you all in post-game for not listening to me. Take the Palmar approach as it were.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 17 2014 22:36 GMT
#355
On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.

Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.

But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along.

Why do you think slOosh reordered the votes?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 17 2014 22:37 GMT
#356
On June 18 2014 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
wtf why aren't more people voting for mderg?

No matter. I'll just yell at you all in post-game for not listening to me. Take the Palmar approach as it were.

We have another hour before the games begin! It's all about the last hour.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:37 GMT
#357
On June 18 2014 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
wtf why aren't more people voting for mderg?

No matter. I'll just yell at you all in post-game for not listening to me. Take the Palmar approach as it were.

mderg's filter is looking a lot better than yours buddy.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 17 2014 22:39 GMT
#358
Then lynch me bitch. But if you want to lynch mafia, you'll vote for mderg.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 17 2014 22:40 GMT
#359
On June 18 2014 07:37 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
wtf why aren't more people voting for mderg?

No matter. I'll just yell at you all in post-game for not listening to me. Take the Palmar approach as it were.

We have another hour before the games begin! It's all about the last hour.

Agree. Sadly I won't be around for most of it, but the shenannies are very much what makes the world go 'round.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
June 17 2014 22:41 GMT
#360
I can't lynch you though, I've already said that in my first post. Ninjabunnies is looking scummy enough that I can justify it too!
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