EPTOn May 27 2014 22:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think Blazinghand is biased or would ever be biased.
I don't think Blazinghand is biased or would ever be biased.
lol
[Important] New TL Mafia Behavior Rules - Page 2
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 27 2014 22:50 kushm4sta wrote: o rly? forum big brother he voted VE's mspaint as the best even though mine was clearly better. Gee kush. Will you never get over that? LMAO | ||
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iamperfection
United States9643 Posts
On May 27 2014 22:48 DarthPunk wrote: I don't think Blazinghand is biased or would ever be biased. lol | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 27 2014 23:04 KadaverBB wrote: I find it quite amusing that you guys are against being a little nicer. that's not what is being said my friend ^_^ | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9643 Posts
On May 27 2014 23:04 KadaverBB wrote: I find it quite amusing that you guys are against being a little nicer. its hard to catch scum and convince others that someone is scum if we are all holding hands and singing kumbaya my lord all day. Im not really convinced that the reason we are losing members is because of the "toxic" Atmosphere. Like who said they weren't signing up because of the atmosphere 2 to 3 people? I know a lot of people are like me as to why they dont play as much in that they started when they were in school with lots of free time on their hands and then lose that free time once school ends and work/graduate school begins. I would be very interested to see if the overall growth of tl itself in both active and new members is slowing down. I think that would be a more likely explanation for the decline. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
But it looks like I'm in the minority, so I will of course accept the new rules and play by them. I'm sort of conflicted on what to post here. On one had the decision has been made and I don't want to start a debate, on the other I feel like due to the private nature of the initial discussion, opposing viewpoints haven't gotten any exposure to those not involved in the original discussion. So I feel like I should at least leave something here, but keep it in a spoiler so it can be easily skipped. + Show Spoiler [Arguments against the change] +
These are the ones I remembered right now, I'm sure there are more. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Also why are private conversations being held to determine these rules? Why are they not being broached first with the people who actually play here, rather than with people like Gmarsh and foolishness who rarely do? This whole thing is just silly. I will continue to play the way I have played for 2+ years. If that gets me banned so be it. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9643 Posts
On May 27 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote: I fear for my ability to survive and adapt to this set of rules. when have you ever done something bad? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Never really, except when he plays mafia, or posts. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
All bans shall now be determined by RNG. On May 27 2014 21:43 GMarshal wrote:
I think banning caps just because some people hear loud noises when they see them would be pretty silly. It's no different than bold or red text in my opinion and would completely neuter austin. As far as I'm aware, the "Do Not Spam" issue is being saved for another day and won't change from how it is currently enforced? From the sound of things, this isn't very drastic of a change. I don't think harsher post-game punishments would solve much, but personal attacks have never been allowed and the only difference now is that hosts would step in a bit sooner with a warning PM before things get out of hand and people would agree to be a bit more pleasant in the thread, which seems pretty reasonable to me. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I feel like there is no need to change, besides the hosts themselves making use of the freedom they were given and running the games the way they feel would be best. Better hosts will have their games fill up and worse hosts will eventually model the better ones to fit into the demand of the comunity. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I think these are the same ideas most people aim for anyway. But it does slip. And imo it always will. Per previous arguments, just the nature of this game will get people heated. It will happen. There isn't any avoiding it. I do agree that timely host action can make a huge difference though. (Not always with great results as I'll explain below.) So, using myself as a reference, I'll give an example of fantastic hosting. My PYP LoL Game. WoS did exactly what you are implying here. My posting was out of line a few times. Himself or his co-host pmed me, several times, to cool off. I eventually lost all interest to even try to figure out the game...So I just stopped playing. WoS msged me himself a few times for our discussion. Over the course of a few hours, we exchanged. He was trying to prod me into putting a vote down. To play the game and to make the (circumstance) hard decisions on who to play against. Our little chat is really the only reason I came back to playing in general. Ye, I'll probably be trash at this game forever. But that's not the point of it right? It's to have fun. WoS did everything in his power, as a host, to explain this to me. In the end he modkilled me. and I deserved it. But the way he went about it is the only reason I ever signed up for another game regardless. If our host step up their standards things will change. If it's toxic attitude, a short pm (or a few) can usually get people to cool off. If it's inactivity (or less than your standard. And yes, I think this is a problem.) then trying to prod people to play can honestly make a difference. If it's spamming, our host can make post restrictions, or simply pm, or suggest to stay on topic. But a lot of our issues, trying to draw new players, aren't really ground rules at fault. It's underlying problems. People bring them up every few moths, and then drop them. Only to bring them up again later. It's not only that though. I honestly think a lower base of people coming to the site is contributing aswell. I mean, most that come here aren't looking for mafia ye? So it's sort of to be expected that our numbers will go down (as a whole). I also mean, in 2014, we have more players than 2013. We spike with the new guys trying out. Then we sink a bit when most of the new guys don't go for round two. You have a few people, that play a few newbies, and stick around [Like me]. But we also have a lot of people that don't stay. This isn't a problem with rules imo. It's just personal taste. And a dwindling draw from people to find people who have it. Anyway, this post is kind of wordy. I'm not sure if it will make any sense. I'm, generally, pretty bad at explaining my thoughts. Hopefully you can read it at least. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
1. Are you in favor of tightening the rules? I am in favor of tighting the etiquette rules. We had a chance to try to self-regulate, and ultimately we're having trouble attracting and retaining new players. It's time for a bigger change, which could help. 2. Are you put off by the current behavior? I'm not put off, but I get that people have different opinions. Ultimately, it's not about my opinion. It's about the opinions of most players in the forum and any potential new players we get. 3. Are you willing to enforce the new rules? I am willing to enforce the new rules and set an example for upcoming games. 4. Any other comments or concerns? Let's see how these new changes work out. Just adding the community thread alone seems to have some good, but until we have a better inflow of new players and retention of existing ones, we need to keep trying new ideas. I like the idea of having behavior violations result in forum-wide ramifications. I think this would be good for us in general. I still think though we shouldn't have people reporting posts using the report button, though-- ultimately this would be way too disruptive to the game. I think that anything that requires a ban (rather than a warning) should also give a 2 day temp ban. Anything that doesn't merit a TL Mafia ban imo shouldn't result in TL Forum moderation. The best way to process this would also be through GM imo. Our goal should be to have real ramifications for bad behavior, but also not disrupt a game by having a non-Mafia mod, or even someone other than a host, initiating a ban on an active player. TL Ban can coincide with TL Mafia Ban and get approved by GM in the same thread. I wouldn't mind some kind of other way of handling TL Bans, but the one thing I don't want is the possibility of someone getting randomly TL Banned without the game's host knowing beforehand. As a host you usually want to have a replacement ready or something rather than just modkilling someone. This is much more difficult if people get banned without you knowing-- this is why I don't want us to use the report button. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
I don't think behaviour is a problem with the current warning system. Sometimes it gets a little out of hand when people start attacking the players rather than the stuff they've done in the game but in my experience that is dealt with rather swiftly in most cases with a warning in pm's/thread. I also don't think spam is a problem at all. You can literally skip over the one liners in half a second and you have wasted minimal time. | ||
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