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So everyone who posts in this thread, could you please contribute to this:
1) What are those instances that should have been modkilled and were not based on the rule change? Could someone show some examples, because i have seen none and i really don't know what people are arguing for here. Please, could someone show me what would be modkillable after change that was not before? Even one example.. People are just arguing about generally, "people should be nicer yadda yadda" without telling what sort of posts are the actual problem.
2)2) If this is, and has been the problem, why has noone who has felt so brought the issue up after relevant game in the banlist thread? That's what the fucking thread is about - to discuss incorrect behaviour and act properly and ensure people get banned for their rule violations. Why are people just whining in PM's and complaining there? Like are you scared you get shut down? Well if you don't voice your opinion you will not be heard, that's for sure.
Thank you.
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The thing I believe is that there are 2 types of problems and discussions going on here.
The first one is about certain specific behaviours in games being modkille-able or not, and hosts going through with said decisions, etc, and arguing in favor or against them. Basically, normal banlist discussion
The 2nd one is the "heavier" one, which was stated in the OP and it's the environment, the style of play, whatever, making people leave TL, have a bad time playing games
On May 27 2014 21:43 GMarshal wrote:
There has been much discussion among hosts, and foolishness, about how to address the declining number of players. Two of the issues that were identified were the massive amount of spam, and the relatively toxic atmosphere in games. The first has very few reasonable solutions, but the second has an easy fix.
If your "show me instances that display the problem" thing is about the 2nd one, then I can't be much of help since I don't follow much games. I do have to say some of them that I followed previously were kind of spammy, and not very interesting to "look" at. But since I didnt' play them I don't know what a player might have felt playing in it (or what more attentive people might have felt observing it).
Though yeah, people posting concrete examples would help, specially of what the "relatively toxic atmosphere in games" is.
There are other more general issues like "number of players declining", which you can't really pinpoint to a specific source, just glance and discuss it generally.
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kitaman27
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@rayn Here are a few examples of posts from the past couple of games that probably weren't necessary. I'm not really sure what is considered to be crossing the line myself. While I'm not in favor of enforcing harsher punishments or bans, I do think that people should try their best to avoid attacks like these if possible. I'm sure most people aren't bothered by these type of posts 95% of the time, but occasionally there is going to be a guy who is having a rough day or is easily frustrated and things unintentionally escalate. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the hosts to warn people for things like this based on the results of the poll.
Are you retarded?
while I agree with you that x and y have proved themselves two of the worst players on the forum through this game
look like a retard in the process. Almost every game.
It means you are retarded.
Fuck you.
Why are you sucking Marv's dick so hard
Fuck you x Fuck you y and Fuck you most of all z
that person is either scum or retarded
either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia.
Fuck the retards.
he's a jackass if he's town.
tempting to lynch you for being an asshole
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I am kinda ok with everything.
The retard thing is unfortunate but if the word retard was banned I would just use a synonym. Being called a retard is a bit annoying the first time but you get used to it.
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So it's basically cursewords and otherwise strong language? Okay, i can myself cut that out if that needs to be done and if it somehow helps but i doubt. I don't see anything wrong with the last two quote. Based on the quotes you brought up kita i highly doubt this is a "new problem". There has been players with that kind of posting style for forever (at least for the last five years which i have read almost all the games from). Maybe the percentage of people who fall into that category is higher nowadays but people have told each other to fuck off for ages and called each others all sorts of names in ways that could have been expressed in a "more civil manner".
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I don't think that's the issue. Basically, (I'm lazy and won't filter for quotes), just look at my last few games.
I've been super hostile towards players, to a point where I don't even want to play anymore.
Like I requested a modkill, then followed with asking GM to just perma me. I might be the odd man out, but it's this sort of thing imo that causes problems. In my case, it's been me being unable to understand something or trying to ploy for my scum team.
Either way though, I went out of my way to give players a hard time. That's not contributing to games. It's only raising hairs for players in said games. The fact that I do it, unintentionally albeit, bothers me to such an extent that I took outside measures to assure that I stop doing it.
That's a problem for me. If the game is so undecidable for me because either spammers/ or lurkers, I get really upset.
I always get told "Dude, you have a lynch for that." but to me a lynch isn't something to be wasted on policy. I don't want to waste my vote because player #9, 8, 3, and 12 [EDIT: Or got really aggressive. Because for most people it's not alignment indicative.] decided they didn't actually want to play the game. That being the case, I'm not actually likely to rant at any of those players. I'm very likely to flip my lid and rant at players that are active. That's a issue because most of the time, they are not scum, their points are valid, and I have gotten warned a bunch of times by mods.
Sub ver: I don't think swearing is an issue. In my own opinion it's just being an ass in general.
Either my version;
1) Flips top and looses shit for no good reason at people
or 2) Lurks to a point induce point 1.
So meh, how we treat one another, and just how we play in general are a factor for me. I honestly won't play anymore until I feel like I can curb my own issues. Not everyone will do this willingly though, and those are the ones you have to forcibly curb.
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On June 17 2014 07:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't think that's the issue. Basically, (I'm lazy and won't filter for quotes), just look at my last few games.
I've been super hostile towards players, to a point where I don't even want to play anymore.
Like I requested a modkill, then followed with asking GM to just perma me. I might be the odd man out, but it's this sort of thing imo that causes problems. In my case, it's been me being unable to understand something or trying to ploy for my scum team.
If you got modkilled and got a punishment for this then it's not the part of the problem.
The problem arte actions that should have been modkilled but were not.
People lose their shit all the time and ragequit. If they get a proper punishment for it it does not belong here, if they don't, then it is the part of the problem.
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Hmm. I see you're point. I think the way the host responded that game was fine. I didn't directly ask for a modkill. I was just posting in a way that would warrant it. I did get a warning for it iirc, and I hushed up. So ye, I think maby that is a bad example since the host did exactly what they should of done that game.
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omgus is full of retards and assholes so its ok to use those words there.
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On June 17 2014 23:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Hmm. I see you're point. I think the way the host responded that game was fine. I didn't directly ask for a modkill. I was just posting in a way that would warrant it. I did get a warning for it iirc, and I hushed up. So ye, I think maby that is a bad example since the host did exactly what they should of done that game.
marv+artanis pro hosts.
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On June 18 2014 22:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 23:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Hmm. I see you're point. I think the way the host responded that game was fine. I didn't directly ask for a modkill. I was just posting in a way that would warrant it. I did get a warning for it iirc, and I hushed up. So ye, I think maby that is a bad example since the host did exactly what they should of done that game. marv+artanis pro hosts.
Ye, I think you guys did a splendid job  . Tbh though, I feel like I dun have much left to say about this matter. Out of the games I've played in, I've been fortunate I suppose to have good host. So other than rather subtle PA's that get shut down rather quickly, or the lurking issue (Which appears to be another issue entirely) I can't comment really.
So meh, I'll hush and move along swiftly!
Thanks for being a good host though, Marv+Artanis. (Random shout out to WoS aswell for going way far out of his way to try to help me. Totes best host ever.)
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Number of normal minis I wanted to play but haven't due to dumb as shit rules by the host: 2
First Game. Trolling was ok, but 'spamming' was instant modkill. Also no MS paint or gifs. No thanks.
Second Game. Can't even say ass. Instant modkills threatened in OP. No thanks.
TL mafia, actively discouraging me from participating.
Grats guys.
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Neither ongoing game has their Important Posts with anything in them.
Hosts need to uphold their responsibilities too.
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one of my absolute favorite games to read was Holy Roman Mafia
i don't see how that game could exist with the new rules
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On June 19 2014 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
Neither ongoing game has their Important Posts with anything in them.
Hosts need to uphold their responsibilities too.
I brought this up with foolishness recently. A solution is incoming as soon as this thread dies.
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Solution = update your important posts.
it's not very complex :p
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On June 19 2014 23:40 marvellosity wrote:
Solution = update your important posts.
it's not very complex :p
Yeah. My solution will kick some ass too. Can't wait for its implementation. Not even going to ask people for their opinions. Just gonna push it through. #importantpost #idgaf
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