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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
I don't think the lack of new players has much to do with the "toxic" atmosphere. I don't believe that many players stopped playing because of it. I don't even think I ever experienced a really bad atmosphere in any game I played here. People who want stricter behaviour rules are already able to play this way since hosts can do whatever they want in that regard. Why are we about to give up the freedom that is granted to us in this subforum again? | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote: We have less people simply because the number of people that come in are dropping more and more, hence why we're going to start up a newsletter thingymabob. The rate of people playing and then staying to later games seems pretty consistent and isn't really based on behaviour at all from what i've seen. Newbie games are pretty friendly after all. I don't think behaviour is a problem with the current warning system. Sometimes it gets a little out of hand when people start attacking the players rather than the stuff they've done in the game but in my experience that is dealt with rather swiftly in most cases with a warning in pm's/thread. I also don't think spam is a problem at all. You can literally skip over the one liners in half a second and you have wasted minimal time. But the problem is you can't. If you do this sort of thing, and you end up with between 5-20 pages of a filter missing from a game, people look down on you. You can't pass over these post. The risk of loosing any info is really small, but unless you are scum, you don't know if it's there/not there. I mean you can say it's not a problem or w/e. But I have read several games that people mention as evidence to the opposite. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:41 kushm4sta wrote: bh I don't know why you are connecting inappropriate behavior with a decline in population. do you have anything to back that up? I do not have anything to back that up. It could be for a different reason, like spam, or overzealous moderation. I don't know. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
I think restricting people to a certain style of play is absolutely absurd. Some people are able to make long, well-thought-out posts and are able to deduce things in a grand scheme of things kinda way. Other people are better at figuring out the game based off of real-time conversations, having a back-and-forth with another player or two or whatever the case may be. Restricting a persons play style to a certain way just because you don't play that way is absolutely bonkers. Having said that, all the posts of reactionary youtube clips and .jpegs and "lol" 1 liners should be abolished as far as I'm concerned. You know...stuff that's ACTUALLY spam/unrelated to the game | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:42 IAmRobik wrote: Having said that, all the posts of reactionary youtube clips and .jpegs and "lol" 1 liners should be abolished as far as I'm concerned. You know...stuff that's ACTUALLY spam/unrelated to the game This is similar to what I think about it. Even those posts are ok from time to time but if big parts of someones filter consist of them then the host probaby should tell the guy in question to stop that. Like Sevelings filter in the djinn game. That is what I consider spam. If someone has a large filter of small posts that are game relevant then I don't see a big problem with that as long as the player doesn't spam up a whole page with consecutive posts by himself. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:41 Blazinghand wrote: I do not have anything to back that up. It could be for a different reason, like spam, or overzealous moderation. I don't know. It's from TL.net's views declining. That should be pretty obvious. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:38 OdinOfPergo wrote: But the problem is you can't. If you do this sort of thing, and you end up with between 5-20 pages of a filter missing from a game, people look down on you. You can't pass over these post. The risk of loosing any info is really small, but unless you are scum, you don't know if it's there/not there. I mean you can say it's not a problem or w/e. But I have read several games that people mention as evidence to the opposite. I'll tell you a secret, you don't really have to read normal posts properly either  skimming is essential mafia reading skillz! | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On May 28 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: I'll tell you a secret, you don't really have to read normal posts properly either skimming is essential mafia reading skillz!Aww, I feel so humbled getting advice from based mafia god HF <3 (But seriously, I don't think you should need to do that. That's a personal opinion. I don't care if it happens or not, because the only person it will affect is me. I'm obviously more than willing to deal with it. But I also skip games in which I don't like the player list.) | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Don't let the big numbers scare you. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
all your gonna do by banning more people is make less people here. pretty dumb idea. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
omgus has played around 100 games and I have never banned a single player. Instead I built a system that rewards players for playing well and contributing and guided everyone to play to their best abilities through encouragement and community bonding. @tlmafia the only tangible thing handed out by the people who run it is bans. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
and when people are nice the community grows because people like each other and are friends and a feedback loop of friendly growth is created. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 28 2014 04:53 marvellosity wrote: I hand out sweet spots on the Power Rank for sexual favours. I'm all for the carrot approach. shhhhh now everybody knows why i'm first place | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 28 2014 01:51 sandroba wrote: Jat's argument is undeniable, hosts can already implement whatever restrictions they want in their own game, so there is no need to change the overall rules. People can just choose with their feet which games from which hosts they want to play in. Marv's point about the game is pretty important and pehaps not taken into consideration. This forum is not about sharing information and chatting with people. There is a competitive and emotional game, which involves lying and deception being played here. Some amount emotianal outburst ought to be expected and dealt with within the game. And then there is palmar's post which I agree a 100% with and couldn't have said it any better. I feel like there is no need to change, besides the hosts themselves making use of the freedom they were given and running the games the way they feel would be best. Better hosts will have their games fill up and worse hosts will eventually model the better ones to fit into the demand of the comunity. This mirrors my thoughts pretty well. I haven't been reading games much recently to know if people are going all "FUCK FUCK DICK NIPPLES" on eachother but if hosts want to modkill / ban for that (as GMarshal chooses to do) then that's entirely within their rights as host. The TL Mafia Model OP isn't just something we're supposed to paste into the OP of a game thread. Hosts can cut / add / rewrite entirely and even hold a discussion about whether or not those rules should be maintained (like Ver's 20-post limit mafia, there was discussion before the game even started about how to implement the rule IIRC) I think it would be a good idea to encourage and remind players to attack the arguments, not the players, with a heavier hand. "Your argument sounds like something an orangutan hopped up on E and jet fuel would come up with" is still a personal attack in my book. On May 27 2014 23:28 iamperfection wrote: its hard to catch scum and convince others that someone is scum if we are all holding hands and singing kumbaya my lord all day. Im not really convinced that the reason we are losing members is because of the "toxic" Atmosphere. Like who said they weren't signing up because of the atmosphere 2 to 3 people? I know a lot of people are like me as to why they dont play as much in that they started when they were in school with lots of free time on their hands and then lose that free time once school ends and work/graduate school begins. I would be very interested to see if the overall growth of tl itself in both active and new members is slowing down. I think that would be a more likely explanation for the decline. For me i know I choose to not play much recently because of my own emotional / mental fluctuations, and how it disproportionately negatively effects my team when I'm mafia compared to how I can just step back from the game until it passes when I'm town. The only person I remember quitting because of how they were treated was GoodKarma in Catch 22 Mafia. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On May 28 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote: BanList2.0 | ||
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