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On February 05 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wait so LSB says that Artanis's mafia claim is serious, and votes me.
K.
Holy are you taking the place of tunnelRayn in this game?
Are you going to make me fight with you and try to bash it through your thick skull that I am not scum? Because I'll do it, and it won't be pretty. And if it turns out you're scum, I'll even do it so well that you'll be forced to back down and find another mislynch.
How does that sound bbygrl?
Discussing things with me is beneficial to me and the rest of the thread and so if you can prove you are town by doing it then of course I want you to do that.
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On February 05 2014 06:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:Like my thought process would be. Oh Holyflare said some good points about artanis ("vote artanis"), I think artanis is scummy so holyflare is probably right etc etc +town points for pointing it out and discussion! Oh, some rage is going on in thread, someone asked me who my reads are let's respond! Hmm, sooo, the guy that actually started some discussion and made me vote for who i am voting for is probably a + in my books rather than scummy, then there's the afkers and the guy i'm voting for sooooo yeh that guy who made me vote for my target is ok in my books that would be logical, however, out of nowhere BAM holy/artanis/dp??????????????????? On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie? Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null. Hey, guess what? Read the thread. The question I was asked was 'Which of the players who have posted feel the least towny?' Not "ZOMG LIST SCUM PLZ" I have never called you scum this game, not even once, and for some reason you have gotten it in your head that I'm after you because you hadn't done anything at that point in the game for me to find you specifically towny. This prompts a filter dive once I'm done, because that's honestly a horrible reason to start in on me, and your other reasons for suspicion haven't been fantastic either. K no more posting till donez fo realz + Show Spoiler + I know what you were asked. The fact you followed my reasoning and voted the target that I made should exclude me and artanis being in any sort of list you made altogether. You valued prome for a post of his saying "yeh everyone talking is totes town" despite the fact it was at like 3am EU time and so his only targets weren't lurkers they were just asleep europeans. Your other example was DP, despite you posting why his rage IS TOWNY. Why would you disagree with the point I made about his rage being from scum and then backtrack to put him in that top list of people that are talking? That didn't make sense either.
I didn't make the list of people talking either.
I was simply asked 'who do you find the least towny?'
If I were asked, "who is scum?' the list would have included Artanis and that's it.
I can't help that you're butthurt about having your name placed so close to his.
As far as DP, I agree that his rage is extremely likely to be town, but that doesn't stop me from keeping in the back of my head the fact that DP is VERY well known for raging like this, so I will not for the entirety of this game, completely put it out of my head that he is capable of faking it. There were other people in the game at the time I was more sure of than him, and it was well before the retarded fuckfest with marv.
Now silence while I read you.
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Like people really know how to nitpick at retarded shit in this game.
I can't remember who did more nitpicking last game, town or scum. I think it was actually 50:50
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On February 05 2014 06:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 06:23 LSB wrote:On February 05 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2014 06:07 LSB wrote:On February 05 2014 05:55 Promethelax wrote:
Lsb any chance you can sit down and give comprehensive reads on art/Rayn/ceph/HF those are the players I am most interested in lynching right now and I would like your thoughts on them. You are replacing into a generally townie slot but it is early enough I the game that I still have some concerns about you (unfairly all of these concerns are because Imp replaced out).
Please walk me through your reads on these four players.
Ceph has two posts, both of which say he may or may not post later. He is a lurker. Artanis- Talked about above. He has been lurking hard compared to what he usually does. HF- Last game I was in with him was Titanic and he was basically doing the same thing. Stirring up things and trying to generate activity. Rayn- seems too overconfident to be scum. I haven't seen him play as scum though so I don't know if this is normal.I'm cool with a lurker lynch on day 1, though I'd rather go with WoS Go check out ## mafia played a couple months back and come back to me on that one On February 05 2014 06:10 Promethelax wrote:
For a scum Rayn look at ## mafia
I can't help but notice none of those are conclusions.
Why wave? I can't seem to find the game you are talking about. Could you link it to me? Also I'll probably be gone for the next few hours http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=raynpelikoneet
From my brief overview of that game I just see him hardcore tunnel and derive most of his confidence that way (at least in the early game).
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Holyflare
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.
answer my question dp its quite a simple one. Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".
I can't get over how shit bad this post is. I think it's honestly so bad it makes him town.
He professes to know why people get emotional (people aren't doing shit/town isn't listening) yet he just came form Shadow game where plenty of people were emotional and for NONE of those reasons. He then says you shouldn't get emotional for people pushing shit cases but again, I bring up the example of myself. Foolishness and Toad brought up shit ass cases on me and I called them scum for it, but I ALSO got emotional as hell. He uses a meta example from a past game to try and apply it to every single case for DP ('DP called me good once so he must listen to me in every game?' wtf), but what makes me think he is town for this pile of balls is the fact that he assumes here that his case and points against DP are good and DP is scum for not understanding them and not reacting 'appropriately,' or raging as scum against a bad/incomprehensible town case against him. Only town would dare to be so arrogant, especially considering it seems as though Holy was not riling him up on purpose (though I can't honestly say for certain I believe it).
When I responded to this originally, HF posted:
Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?
Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.
If this was the case, why did Foolishness's case gain traction to begin with? Why did nobody react to Toad's horrible shit like I did? Here you're trying to use the fact that people reactively jumped on DP for leverage as well when you deserve none as I stated just before. I don't give a shit if everyone in the game agrees with a case; if I think it's wrong and/or bad I'm going to sure as hell say so.
His case on Prome has been otherwise dealt with; I don't believe anything that was pointed out within to be alignment indicative.
Case on me has dealt with piecewise as well---the 'scumread' on him, talking about DP, bad use of meta. The only thing I haven't mentioned is my read of Artanis I don't think so I'll address it here.
Feels, bro. Nothing more. Even though my earlier logic was proved wrong through meta on why he is scum, I remained comfortable in leaving my vote on because of the way Artanis reacted when placed under a little pressure---again not much more than feels.
On February 04 2014 08:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 08:26 iamperfection wrote:
Hrm wave are you being serious? Was wondering the same thing. Accuses marv of taking a joke too seriously right before taking a joke too seriously himself.
Something about him flipping on me here and then delving into policy talk doesn't sit right with me. Can't quite explain. Don't care to try beyond this. I asked marv what his specific reasons were because I was trying to see if he could put any of my 'feels' into proper words to explain why even after Artanis' return I found him scummy, and while I like his reasoning it's not quite in alignment with what I have.
In any case, vote stands, I don't honestly care right now if it's not good enough for Holy; maybe it'll be good enough for everyone else, but we'll see. I expect not. It seems to be it would be absolutely retarded to stick on Artanis like this if I were scum when there was plenty of reason for pulling off whenever, but WIFOM-BOB-OMB, so people can draw their own conclusions.
Back to Holy:
On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave. I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify: Do you think DP is mafia or not? I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.
This interests me immensely. Why did it take for things to cool down before you have a 'probable' townread on DP? Want to hear this reasoning.
Holy v Prome:
I remember it somewhere said that Holy gets douchey/ragey as scum. Is that what's happening here? I haven't seen anyone this rabid about things in a while, and what's more, many of his points regarding Prome make sense to some degree and I can sort of understand why he calls marv out here, but what is that supposed to accomplish? Every single 'discussion' that Holy has gotten into with anyone has shit up this thread to some degree or another----but the thing his in his posting it looks as though he is genuinely attempting to figure shit out. He is at the very least re-evaluating his reads as necessary.
I wish I knew Holy better than I do (can't go off of voice games otherwise I'd catch him npnp) because I'd have a better 'feel' for him otherwise, but for now I can't tell if this is just his style. He certainly was rabid enough to go after Hapa and Gonzaw in Shadow, both extremely strong townies (maybe not at the time but still), here it's me/Prome and to some extent DP...although apparently people said in Shadow he was mimicking his townstyle?
His suspicion towards me isn't completely retarded so I can't call him scum off of that, and there are things in his play that tell me he's town but the way he goes about doing things just doesn't sit right with me.
WISHY-WASHY ALERT!!
I'm going null on Holyflare right now. Artanis dies today, and I'm more interested to see if rayn/Cephiro does anything useful today. Especially rayn because I'm not getting townrayn feels this game.
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Be back in a couple hours-ish. Usual time.
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In regards to the DP thing, I was originally trolling him with that fake meta case (obvious). I took his reaction to be scum indicative as shown in that post that keeps getting quoted. After things cooled down and I wasn't as invested/tunneled I realised that DP rages at everything and so it wasn't alignment indicative. However, it happened again between him and marv and rayn asked me the same thing to which I responded:
DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.
Will re-check over rest in a bit.
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It has become apparent to me that there's a bit too many tempers flared and insults hurled already. Let's try to tone it down a bit.
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So Artanis hasn't posted, he is now confirmed mafia.
Pretty sure rayn is #2 as well.
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Maybe pretty sure is an exaggeration. I think he is at any rate. There's no push, no drive, no original thought.
There's him calling me bad repeatedly for no particular reason like he did in ## when I was trying to lynch him (correctly and successfully).
This excuse that he's trying out a new style arrives midgame rather than being indicated pre-game, except it's nitpicky and aggressive without any of the strong analysis that a passive style would indicate.
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Wow, absolutely nothing, huh?
Alright well marv, I don't particularly feel like circlejerking it to Artanis (unless of course you do), so any thoughts on Holyflare or Prome for me?
Actually I think Holy asked you about Prome and me? Mabes you could do that instead.
Or one of those.
Or none of them
Whatever.
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yeah I will, although I can't really be bothered now. When I think I snared a mafia my motivation to do long slogs that I don't think beforehand will achieve much is diminished :p
Still unsure about how Holy came back into the thread talking about only Prome for a while and ignoring all the other stuff. That's pretty weird to me and it's sticking with me. On the other hand he has a lot of shorter responses that I'd characterise more towards his towngame. So meh.
Prome seems pretty comfortable in his own skin this game. Maybe Holy got annoyed but Prome dismissing his whole case in 2 little sentences seems more likely to come from town. His excuse about wanting to play with Artanis is... meh. The post I quoted from Artanis earlier was pretty terrible and I'd have hoped he'd have jumped on that. Thing is, like with Holy and you, there's more time...
You're probably the one I have the least grasp on without searching through your filter. Your play seems normalish, maybe a little more needly than I'd expect. The specifics that other people have brought up, I dunno without checking for myself right now.
The net of it is, I guess I'd bet on all 3 of you being town for the moment, but I'd be extremely unsurprised if one of you were actually mafia.
Cephiro (european schedule) never showed up.
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##Vote Artanis
Willing to reconsider if he comes back and does something townie.
1. me marv
2. dp wave Imp/lsb
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4 rayn Ceph
5 Art HF
LSB: in all likelyhood town but I don't really like his play so far, he had an insane idea about not saying who we'd shoot which I liked because though I disagree with it I believe it does come from a town mindset.
Ceph moves up a little because people seem sure that this is possible from his town play, I have not played with him so I have to defer to the thoughts of others here. I still find his play objectively scummy but I'd rather lynch the guys who have provided slightly more to find their alignments.
Art over HF because this vanishing act simply isn't plausible from his town play and while I doubt that HF would play how he has as town it is more likely than Art playing the way he has as town.
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On February 05 2014 10:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I will, although I can't really be bothered now. When I think I snared a mafia my motivation to do long slogs that I don't think beforehand will achieve much is diminished :p
Still unsure about how Holy came back into the thread talking about only Prome for a while and ignoring all the other stuff. That's pretty weird to me and it's sticking with me. On the other hand he has a lot of shorter responses that I'd characterise more towards his towngame. So meh.
Prome seems pretty comfortable in his own skin this game. Maybe Holy got annoyed but Prome dismissing his whole case in 2 little sentences seems more likely to come from town. His excuse about wanting to play with Artanis is... meh. The post I quoted from Artanis earlier was pretty terrible and I'd have hoped he'd have jumped on that. Thing is, like with Holy and you, there's more time...
You're probably the one I have the least grasp on without searching through your filter. Your play seems normalish, maybe a little more needly than I'd expect. The specifics that other people have brought up, I dunno without checking for myself right now.
The net of it is, I guess I'd bet on all 3 of you being town for the moment, but I'd be extremely unsurprised if one of you were actually mafia.
Cephiro (european schedule) never showed up.
Acceptable post, good sir.
What would make you switch to a Cephiro lynch today, if anything?
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Artanis coming back and shitting townie rainbows in the thread.
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would Ceph become your preferred lynch or would Rayn?
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I'd like to lynch Cephiro to shoot rayn, probably. Even though quite possibly Cephiro's alignment might be a little bit more of a mystery. I'd just... like to know rayn's alignment with more certainty given he has more posts and interactions in the thread.
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Just in case what? Mafia come in and claim scum with bad votes in IML? Why would you want to prevent that?
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Reminder to any and all townies that get lynched: DON'T BE A HERO!
marv's post just made me think of that. No idea why.
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