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DarthPunk
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Regardless, from my read through I am confident that Prome is scum and artanis is likely scum as well. Cephiro is ? but a good lynch or shot for that reason. Marv is looking townier to me based on him saying sensible things and explaining things that he says when asked. Holyflare and Rayn totes town based on several things above but also generally having similar thoughts to me as I read the thread. Cool beans. I will be around for a bit if there are questions or w/e | ||
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DarthPunk
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
In short the reasons for people being town: Marv: meta. His tone and interest are in direct contrast to his play as scum ever. I can't show it to you because it is present in every post. Either you believe that I know how to read Marv based on his tone or you don't. However, I can and because I value my reputation on this site I would never commit to a read this heavily unless I was sure. I am very sure. Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town. Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town. DP: all the rage, it seems like genuine towniedp rage. DP plays a smart game of scum and screaming and kicking is a good way to get shot while at the same time ruining his chances of being listened to as a thread leader. Also I disagree with most/all of what he is saying which, counter-intuitively, makes him seem townie to me. In the past scum DP has tried to fit into thread and say similar things to townies and since he is not doing that I think he is town. I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum. I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote: What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Im around for a bit but after last game I'm pretty bored of talking to people I read as townie who think I'm scum for bad reasons. In short the reasons for people being town: Marv: meta. His tone and interest are in direct contrast to his play as scum ever. I can't show it to you because it is present in every post. Either you believe that I know how to read Marv based on his tone or you don't. However, I can and because I value my reputation on this site I would never commit to a read this heavily unless I was sure. I am very sure. Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town. Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town. DP: all the rage, it seems like genuine towniedp rage. DP plays a smart game of scum and screaming and kicking is a good way to get shot while at the same time ruining his chances of being listened to as a thread leader. Also I disagree with most/all of what he is saying which, counter-intuitively, makes him seem townie to me. In the past scum DP has tried to fit into thread and say similar things to townies and since he is not doing that I think he is town. I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum. I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask. This is not true. marv does not reason his arguments as mafia and he is more of an asshole than he is as town. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Are you intentionally not remembering? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. What do you think of prome wave? | ||
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DarthPunk
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
2) There is a purpose in my posts. You have not asked me anything about any of my posts and saying "any of your posts have no purpose" is a straight out lie. Why don't you ask me something then if you are unsure? Insead fo doing so you just keep with this "rayn does not feel town" crap that is (1)unjustified and (2)not explained and therefore fishy. 3) I don't need to prove you wrong, because you are not literally "wrong", but you are not acting townie in any way because you are not being clear. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. Yes in fact i said so after the last shadow podcast and all of you three were. I said, "because now we will have a game where people are actually good i am going to be more laid back and reasonable and not just try to drive the discussion" because I ACTUALLY CAN DO SO as the players are not total retards. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
His townread on me is weak, I'll give you that. Usually Prome is able to or at least attempts to come up with some fantastic meta reason as to why I'm town because he feels he understands me the best or we're both really similar or something like that, but not in this game? I've liked his interaction with a lot of people in the thread thus far (marv, holy) and I don't have any reason to pursue him today, though saying this makes me realize I haven't looked into him in much detail so at risk of running into a marv situation from last game, I will filterdive him tomorrow and have a look. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro. There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Wave, what exactly are these good contributions from Prome? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 05 2014 15:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. Why is this more likely to come from a townie than from mafia? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) There is infinite amount of time, i don't have any reasons to "push" any lynch especially when this is an IML game. 2) There is a purpose in my posts. You have not asked me anything about any of my posts and saying "any of your posts have no purpose" is a straight out lie. Why don't you ask me something then if you are unsure? Insead fo doing so you just keep with this "rayn does not feel town" crap that is (1)unjustified and (2)not explained and therefore fishy. 3) I don't need to prove you wrong, because you are not literally "wrong", but you are not acting townie in any way because you are not being clear. Ok you sort of answered the post that came after this one. 1) Is there some point in this game that you are going to take up a stance? We're what, almost 36h in? Again, this may be a different style for you, but you're not me. I don't seem to recall you ever having trouble calling people scum or taking hard stances in any game, IML or not. 2) I'm going with feels this game; I don't honestly care if you think my stuff is crap, fishy or unjustified. I will however pay attention to your posting a little more going forward and consider the point of asking you going forward---much easier to do this mid-conversation than going back and trying to ask you why you made certain posts. 3) You do need to prove me wrong if you're going to attempt to start calling me scum, if that's where you're going with the suspicion in your post earlier. Hey, I'll ask you now. What is the purpose behind this post? On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro. There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit. Um, wat. You have no votes on you at all as far as I can tell, and you're clearly not #1 OR even 2 on my scumlist, nor have I ever even referred to you specifically as scum this game. What prompted this insanely defensive post exactly? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 05 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prome has said fucking nothing useful all game. He hasn't given a single good reason for any of his reads besides his last post, and i do not think that was really good either. Wave, what exactly are these good contributions from Prome? Hmm. Filter dive in some good detail is necessary. Without context, looking through I actually don't see much. It's super late here so as I said, tomorrow. | ||
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