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On February 05 2014 16:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me.
It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day.
But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it.
Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. I remember it because yo had just mentioned it, hence me backing off on the aggressiveness point. I don't know if rayn is town or scum, but I was and still am suspicious of him because of his posting today. I don't care that my findings are different from yours with regards to him. The point of him 'attempting a new style' makes me take it down slightly, but feels are feels, and that's what I'm doing this game. I'll be attempting to interact with him more throughout the day as he is right about that as per his earlier point to do a better job of figuring him out. DP am I town or scum? I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that. Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads' But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something. Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts. My lynch options aren't 'open,' I have not said at any point I would lynch Rayn today, nor do I ever think I have hinted towards it. If you're ok with me scumhunting in my own way, then it shouldn't matter to you that my reads are 'off.' If by 'off' you mean 'wrong,' that's not scummy. If by 'off' you mean that they are not good reasons and the manner in which I have come about them doesn't make you feel good, then you have contradicted yourself in saying that you are ok with me scumhunting in my own way. I believe I have made my stance on rayn as clear as it's going to be for the moment, likely until more happens in thread/tomorrow.
No wave. I liked that you SAID would scum-hunt in your own way and that you told everyone to fuck off. But if you actually are town and the way in which you scum hunt makes no fucking sense at all and makes me think you are mafia then that is not ok obviously.
Like why would you take something like that and twist it into something ridiculous. It makes no fucking sense that I would mean that or that you actually believe what you just wrote.
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On February 05 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave. Let's make a deal.
I get your point about my defensiveness or whatever you call it, but you are wrong. Let's look into other people because apparently neither of us wants to lynch the other one. Okay?
Alright, but I REALLY have to go to bed.
What 'other people' do you think I should be looking into (besides Prome because I will be doing that tomorrow).
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On February 05 2014 16:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave. Let's make a deal.
I get your point about my defensiveness or whatever you call it, but you are wrong. Let's look into other people because apparently neither of us wants to lynch the other one. Okay? Alright, but I REALLY have to go to bed. What 'other people' do you think I should be looking into (besides Prome because I will be doing that tomorrow).
Prome, marv.
Artanis and Cephiro can go die because they apparently don't wanna play.
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On February 05 2014 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:07 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread. What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia. That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. What do you think of prome wave? His townread on me is weak, I'll give you that. Usually Prome is able to or at least attempts to come up with some fantastic meta reason as to why I'm town because he feels he understands me the best or we're both really similar or something like that, but not in this game? I've liked his interaction with a lot of people in the thread thus far (marv, holy) and I don't have any reason to pursue him today, though saying this makes me realize I haven't looked into him in much detail so at risk of running into a marv situation from last game, I will filterdive him tomorrow and have a look. ' Hmm. This is a good post wave. Why have you not mentioned it before if you felt like that? A reason for me to talk about it didn't come up between his latest townread post and now, and I haven't though about Prome much, as I said. On February 05 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro.
There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit. Rayn, the bolded is incredibly defensive, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I said to you, whether about 'lies,' 'fishy reasoning,' or otherwise. If people want to talk about unnatural reactions to stuff in the game, there's one right there. I'm not sure I agree with that. There is much less reason than usual to defend yourself in this game. Like, if you get lynched you just shoot mafia anyway. Matyring is much less anti win con than normal. Like if you are town and you matyr: You A.) remove yourself from the list of suspects making things clearer for town, and B.) get to shoot your #1 scum read, who, if you are rayn will likely flip scum in your eyes. This setup is not standard and so things like that read really town to me.
I don't think people are considering setup when they make angry/emotional responses. If anything if you were going to bring martyring into it, I would have said that martyring is towntell on TL mafia these days. I do consider your point however, and rayn has suggested a truce on the matter anyway, as it were.
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On February 05 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave. Let's make a deal.
I get your point about my defensiveness or whatever you call it, but you are wrong. Let's look into other people because apparently neither of us wants to lynch the other one. Okay? Alright, but I REALLY have to go to bed. What 'other people' do you think I should be looking into (besides Prome because I will be doing that tomorrow). Prome, marv. Artanis and Cephiro can go die because they apparently don't wanna play.
Well Cephiro is Cephiro, an I called that from the start. No idea if he's scum because there really isn't even enough to try and read him on in his filter.
I can say right away that this game marv is vastly different to Shadow. Purely on a preliminary meta basis (which I don't like doing---I will look into him in more detail tomorrow) I'd call him town.
+ Show Spoiler +Of course, conspiracy theory states that marv knows his meta and what people 'caught' him on last game (even though nobody actually caught him, yadda yadda) but the same can be said about DP or HF, for example.
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On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list. Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv.
He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window.
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On February 05 2014 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me.
It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day.
But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it.
Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. I remember it because yo had just mentioned it, hence me backing off on the aggressiveness point. I don't know if rayn is town or scum, but I was and still am suspicious of him because of his posting today. I don't care that my findings are different from yours with regards to him. The point of him 'attempting a new style' makes me take it down slightly, but feels are feels, and that's what I'm doing this game. I'll be attempting to interact with him more throughout the day as he is right about that as per his earlier point to do a better job of figuring him out. DP am I town or scum? I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that. Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads' But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something. Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts. My lynch options aren't 'open,' I have not said at any point I would lynch Rayn today, nor do I ever think I have hinted towards it. If you're ok with me scumhunting in my own way, then it shouldn't matter to you that my reads are 'off.' If by 'off' you mean 'wrong,' that's not scummy. If by 'off' you mean that they are not good reasons and the manner in which I have come about them doesn't make you feel good, then you have contradicted yourself in saying that you are ok with me scumhunting in my own way. I believe I have made my stance on rayn as clear as it's going to be for the moment, likely until more happens in thread/tomorrow. No wave. I liked that you SAID would scum-hunt in your own way and that you told everyone to fuck off. But if you actually are town and the way in which you scum hunt makes no fucking sense at all and makes me think you are mafia then that is not ok obviously. Like why would you take something like that and twist it into something ridiculous. It makes no fucking sense that I would mean that or that you actually believe what you just wrote.
Well then I'm scumhunting in my own way, so fuck off. 
As it should be made obvious by Shadow game, I don't do my scumhunting for other people, I do it for myself. The massive stream of consciousness filter dive posts I do are to help me get my own head straight on a person, which is usually why they look pretty wishy washy by the end as I'm finding different towny/scummy points going through. They rarely if EVER convince anyone of anything. A secondary effect of posting those things is they usually give people a pretty clear idea of my towniness, but that's often simply due to effort. I don't really care to prove to people that I'm town only because of effort; people should be able to figure that out on their own whether I post walls of text or not. This game considering how the last game went I will continue to scumhunt in a way that serves me, and much like in voice mafia, if you don't like that my reasons aren't sufficient for finding somebody scum, tough titty, because they are for me. 
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On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread. What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia. That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it.
On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave? Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one). I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game.
Wut? If he's so hard to read how do you know what town rayn feels like?
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On February 05 2014 16:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list. Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv. He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window.
I know that, but if he rolled scum it's a perfect alibi. I am well aware he said it pregame, it doesn't mean I like it. I'm trying a highly 'feels-based' style this game if it hasn't been obvious to people (hint---it has) and people don't like that much better. I guess the difference is I didn't talk about it pregame, but I'm sick of making outside excuses for myself, RL or otherwise (especially RL regarding activity---I can always do that but I've been opting not to).If people are going to make reads on me I'd rather attempt to keep them within the confines of the game and specifically regarding 'feels' this game I'm treating it like voice in that I'm not going to care much if people don't like it. Difference here is I can't exactly shout people down because I 'know' I'm right, and I'm a lot less confident about it than on voice, because forum is massively different.
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On February 05 2014 16:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread. What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia. That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave? Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one). I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game. Wut? If he's so hard to read how do you know what town rayn feels like?
Because Rayn is always difficult to read for me. Ask him. Doesn't mean I can't have feelings about his play based on what he's done in the thread here and in past games.
K definitely now bed. Holy you have much to find me scum on over the past few pages.
Enjoy!
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Nah I'll be sleeping soon just read through while watching walking dead and i remembered that early post.
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On February 05 2014 17:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:53 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list. Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv. He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window. I know that, but if he rolled scum it's a perfect alibi. I am well aware he said it pregame, it doesn't mean I like it. I'm trying a highly 'feels-based' style this game if it hasn't been obvious to people (hint---it has) and people don't like that much better. I guess the difference is I didn't talk about it pregame, but I'm sick of making outside excuses for myself, RL or otherwise (especially RL regarding activity---I can always do that but I've been opting not to).If people are going to make reads on me I'd rather attempt to keep them within the confines of the game and specifically regarding 'feels' this game I'm treating it like voice in that I'm not going to care much if people don't like it. Difference here is I can't exactly shout people down because I 'know' I'm right, and I'm a lot less confident about it than on voice, because forum is massively different.
What has that got to do with calling rayn out for something he said pre game and pre alignment?
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Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia.
So if he is mafia he is being bussed.
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On February 05 2014 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia.
So if he is mafia he is being bussed.
I don't think artanis thinks artanis is mafia. Hue.
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On February 05 2014 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia.
So if he is mafia he is being bussed.
Why is that the only option what if he was town (probs not likely)?
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Nvm you said if, bed time it is!
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lol HF
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I am trying to figure out what to make out of Prome's statements on Artanis throughout the game in every scenario but it's so hard because nothing makes sense..
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On February 05 2014 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to figure out what to make out of Prome's statements on Artanis throughout the game in every scenario but it's so hard because nothing makes sense..
He is scum that is why nothing he says makes sense.
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Why does marv think he is town? I can't find any real reasoning.
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